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 2015-08-19 9:59 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Pro  9391     Omaha, NE |  Subject: RE: Republican debatebtw, on a much more serious note: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufGlBv8Z3NU&list=PLrEnWoR732-BHrPp_Pm8_VleD68f9s14- buhahahahaha Ben Carson's was hilarious |
| 2015-08-20 2:34 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Republican debate Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by chirunner134 Honestly I think trump this year has a chance because people are fed up with money in politics. They are fed up with the political robots. He seems like a very credible guy for better or worse. At first I was very skeptical, but he has definitely hit a nerve. His republican support is off the charts in every demographic. Even the women love him. However, here's the weird part. He's the most liberal guy I think I've ever seen run on the republican ticket. I know everyone likes to bash him as a show boat, but isn't that exactly what every liberal/progressive has been saying for years? Nominate a more liberal/centrist candidate and the Republicans have a shot. With Hillary imploding and the other Democratic candidates essentially non-existent there's a real shot that Trump could go all the way. Ironically as a fiscal conservative libertarian myself I'm really digging what he's got going on. I haven't ordered a T-shirt yet, but I might have to send one to JMK. Yeah, but the thing is, Trump's going full-on right wing at the moment. Maybe when he gets kicked off the GOP ticket and has to run as an independant, he'll drift back towards his previously (sort of) liberal roots. For now, I don't see any democrat voting for him and he won't win unless a lot of them do. I also think the reports of Hillary's demise are a little premature. Although her leads are shrinking, she's still leading everyone in the polls, in spite of being nearly invisible the past several months. I think the email "scandal" will, in the next few weeks, either resolve itself or people will get bored of hearling about it, and either way, it won't be an issue for much longer. Sanders may indeed be the real deal, but so far, I think he's sort of the Democratic version of Donald Trump-- the guy who's saying everything that everyone wants to hear. I'm not convinced Sanders is the real deal yet. For that reason, I think that as soon as the GOP voters start to coalesce around their presumptive candidate, that support will shift away from Sanders and back to HIllary, because, at the moment, even in spite of the email thing, she's got the best chance of winning of any candidate. |
| 2015-08-20 2:42 PM in reply to: chirunner134 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Republican debate Originally posted by chirunner134 Honestly I think trump this year has a chance because people are fed up with money in politics. They are fed up with the political robots. He seems like a very credible guy for better or worse. What credibility does he have? |
| 2015-08-20 2:51 PM in reply to: jmk-brooklyn |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Republican debate Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Originally posted by tuwood Yeah, but the thing is, Trump's going full-on right wing at the moment. Maybe when he gets kicked off the GOP ticket and has to run as an independant, he'll drift back towards his previously (sort of) liberal roots. For now, I don't see any democrat voting for him and he won't win unless a lot of them do. I also think the reports of Hillary's demise are a little premature. Although her leads are shrinking, she's still leading everyone in the polls, in spite of being nearly invisible the past several months. I think the email "scandal" will, in the next few weeks, either resolve itself or people will get bored of hearling about it, and either way, it won't be an issue for much longer. Sanders may indeed be the real deal, but so far, I think he's sort of the Democratic version of Donald Trump-- the guy who's saying everything that everyone wants to hear. I'm not convinced Sanders is the real deal yet. For that reason, I think that as soon as the GOP voters start to coalesce around their presumptive candidate, that support will shift away from Sanders and back to HIllary, because, at the moment, even in spite of the email thing, she's got the best chance of winning of any candidate. Originally posted by chirunner134 Honestly I think trump this year has a chance because people are fed up with money in politics. They are fed up with the political robots. He seems like a very credible guy for better or worse. At first I was very skeptical, but he has definitely hit a nerve. His republican support is off the charts in every demographic. Even the women love him. However, here's the weird part. He's the most liberal guy I think I've ever seen run on the republican ticket. I know everyone likes to bash him as a show boat, but isn't that exactly what every liberal/progressive has been saying for years? Nominate a more liberal/centrist candidate and the Republicans have a shot. With Hillary imploding and the other Democratic candidates essentially non-existent there's a real shot that Trump could go all the way. Ironically as a fiscal conservative libertarian myself I'm really digging what he's got going on. I haven't ordered a T-shirt yet, but I might have to send one to JMK. Obviously none of us know how these guys will be received overall come mid next year but I think Trumps appeal is a lot broader than you give him credit for. Things like immigration and building a wall play well to both parties. The Democrats want to welcome everybody, but big labor and unemployed Democrats want what Trumps saying. He's running on the economy, trade, and immigration which are all HUGE problems with both parties. He's also running an anti-establishment/media message which resonates with everyone. Clinton is leading the pack, but as much as we love to make fun of the Republican circus the Democrats don't have have a circus they have Hillary (and that's it). If Hillary goes down, there's absolutely nobody left so the left pretty much has to support her at this point. The thing about Trump is that the last time there was a candidate who drew the kind of broad support and excitement he did was this guy named Obama in 2008. He's packing stadiums and the base is going crazy. Even the latest Quinnipiac poll in Florida has Trump beating Hillary head to head (43% to 41%). Time will tell of course, but I can honestly say I'm starting to get excited about the election. |
| 2015-08-20 7:03 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Republican debate Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Originally posted by tuwood Yeah, but the thing is, Trump's going full-on right wing at the moment. Maybe when he gets kicked off the GOP ticket and has to run as an independant, he'll drift back towards his previously (sort of) liberal roots. For now, I don't see any democrat voting for him and he won't win unless a lot of them do. I also think the reports of Hillary's demise are a little premature. Although her leads are shrinking, she's still leading everyone in the polls, in spite of being nearly invisible the past several months. I think the email "scandal" will, in the next few weeks, either resolve itself or people will get bored of hearling about it, and either way, it won't be an issue for much longer. Sanders may indeed be the real deal, but so far, I think he's sort of the Democratic version of Donald Trump-- the guy who's saying everything that everyone wants to hear. I'm not convinced Sanders is the real deal yet. For that reason, I think that as soon as the GOP voters start to coalesce around their presumptive candidate, that support will shift away from Sanders and back to HIllary, because, at the moment, even in spite of the email thing, she's got the best chance of winning of any candidate. Originally posted by chirunner134 Honestly I think trump this year has a chance because people are fed up with money in politics. They are fed up with the political robots. He seems like a very credible guy for better or worse. At first I was very skeptical, but he has definitely hit a nerve. His republican support is off the charts in every demographic. Even the women love him. However, here's the weird part. He's the most liberal guy I think I've ever seen run on the republican ticket. I know everyone likes to bash him as a show boat, but isn't that exactly what every liberal/progressive has been saying for years? Nominate a more liberal/centrist candidate and the Republicans have a shot. With Hillary imploding and the other Democratic candidates essentially non-existent there's a real shot that Trump could go all the way. Ironically as a fiscal conservative libertarian myself I'm really digging what he's got going on. I haven't ordered a T-shirt yet, but I might have to send one to JMK. Obviously none of us know how these guys will be received overall come mid next year but I think Trumps appeal is a lot broader than you give him credit for. Things like immigration and building a wall play well to both parties. The Democrats want to welcome everybody, but big labor and unemployed Democrats want what Trumps saying. He's running on the economy, trade, and immigration which are all HUGE problems with both parties. He's also running an anti-establishment/media message which resonates with everyone. Clinton is leading the pack, but as much as we love to make fun of the Republican circus the Democrats don't have have a circus they have Hillary (and that's it). If Hillary goes down, there's absolutely nobody left so the left pretty much has to support her at this point. The thing about Trump is that the last time there was a candidate who drew the kind of broad support and excitement he did was this guy named Obama in 2008. He's packing stadiums and the base is going crazy. Even the latest Quinnipiac poll in Florida has Trump beating Hillary head to head (43% to 41%). Time will tell of course, but I can honestly say I'm starting to get excited about the election. I honestly haven't heard much in the way of actual strategies from trump. "I'm really rich and know a lot about making money for myself" isn't much of an economic strategy for a whole country, unless he's planning to build millions of casinos in China and make all of us reality TV stars. He's supposedly got a plan to defeat Isis but he won't tell anyone what it is because it's a secret, and his wall to keep out the Mexican rapists is laughably unrealistic. Sooner or later, he's going to have to stop bloviating and start actually explaining to people how he's going to improve the economy and so on. I saw a poll today where "Deez Nutz" was getting 19% of the vote, so it's probably too early to start taking polls very seriously. I could be wrong--I think people want to be inspired by their presidential candidate. That's why people voted for Reagan and Clinton and Bush and Obama and why they didn't elect Gore and Dole. I don't think Trumps message is inspiring. It just sounds angry to me. I know lots of people are angry, but I don't think people want an angry president. We'll see. It's really too early to tell. It's like trying to predict the outcome of a basketball game when the score is 5-3. |
| 2015-08-21 8:48 AM in reply to: jmk-brooklyn |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Republican debate Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Originally posted by tuwood I honestly haven't heard much in the way of actual strategies from trump. "I'm really rich and know a lot about making money for myself" isn't much of an economic strategy for a whole country, unless he's planning to build millions of casinos in China and make all of us reality TV stars. He's supposedly got a plan to defeat Isis but he won't tell anyone what it is because it's a secret, and his wall to keep out the Mexican rapists is laughably unrealistic. Sooner or later, he's going to have to stop bloviating and start actually explaining to people how he's going to improve the economy and so on. I saw a poll today where "Deez Nutz" was getting 19% of the vote, so it's probably too early to start taking polls very seriously. I could be wrong--I think people want to be inspired by their presidential candidate. That's why people voted for Reagan and Clinton and Bush and Obama and why they didn't elect Gore and Dole. I don't think Trumps message is inspiring. It just sounds angry to me. I know lots of people are angry, but I don't think people want an angry president. We'll see. It's really too early to tell. It's like trying to predict the outcome of a basketball game when the score is 5-3. Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Originally posted by tuwood Yeah, but the thing is, Trump's going full-on right wing at the moment. Maybe when he gets kicked off the GOP ticket and has to run as an independant, he'll drift back towards his previously (sort of) liberal roots. For now, I don't see any democrat voting for him and he won't win unless a lot of them do. I also think the reports of Hillary's demise are a little premature. Although her leads are shrinking, she's still leading everyone in the polls, in spite of being nearly invisible the past several months. I think the email "scandal" will, in the next few weeks, either resolve itself or people will get bored of hearling about it, and either way, it won't be an issue for much longer. Sanders may indeed be the real deal, but so far, I think he's sort of the Democratic version of Donald Trump-- the guy who's saying everything that everyone wants to hear. I'm not convinced Sanders is the real deal yet. For that reason, I think that as soon as the GOP voters start to coalesce around their presumptive candidate, that support will shift away from Sanders and back to HIllary, because, at the moment, even in spite of the email thing, she's got the best chance of winning of any candidate. Originally posted by chirunner134 Honestly I think trump this year has a chance because people are fed up with money in politics. They are fed up with the political robots. He seems like a very credible guy for better or worse. At first I was very skeptical, but he has definitely hit a nerve. His republican support is off the charts in every demographic. Even the women love him. However, here's the weird part. He's the most liberal guy I think I've ever seen run on the republican ticket. I know everyone likes to bash him as a show boat, but isn't that exactly what every liberal/progressive has been saying for years? Nominate a more liberal/centrist candidate and the Republicans have a shot. With Hillary imploding and the other Democratic candidates essentially non-existent there's a real shot that Trump could go all the way. Ironically as a fiscal conservative libertarian myself I'm really digging what he's got going on. I haven't ordered a T-shirt yet, but I might have to send one to JMK. Obviously none of us know how these guys will be received overall come mid next year but I think Trumps appeal is a lot broader than you give him credit for. Things like immigration and building a wall play well to both parties. The Democrats want to welcome everybody, but big labor and unemployed Democrats want what Trumps saying. He's running on the economy, trade, and immigration which are all HUGE problems with both parties. He's also running an anti-establishment/media message which resonates with everyone. Clinton is leading the pack, but as much as we love to make fun of the Republican circus the Democrats don't have have a circus they have Hillary (and that's it). If Hillary goes down, there's absolutely nobody left so the left pretty much has to support her at this point. The thing about Trump is that the last time there was a candidate who drew the kind of broad support and excitement he did was this guy named Obama in 2008. He's packing stadiums and the base is going crazy. Even the latest Quinnipiac poll in Florida has Trump beating Hillary head to head (43% to 41%). Time will tell of course, but I can honestly say I'm starting to get excited about the election. I mostly agree with what you're saying, but Obama managed to get elected on a wave of "Hope and Change" without ever spelling out much for specifics so it's almost easier to be vague than specific. When you're vague people think you support their position, but when you're specific they know that you don't. lol I haven't seen a detailed plan yet, but he has put out his tax plan which is kind of a hybrid progressive flat tax combination with much lower percentages. The other piece is to even the playing field against China, Mexico, and other foreign companies that are crushing us due to low labor costs. |
| 2015-08-24 2:15 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Member 465 | Subject: RE: Republican debate Trump is striking the nationalism drumbeat. With eight years of Obama telling us how bad America and really just rejecting American exceptionalism in favor of globalism, he has definitely struck a nerve. There are lots of historical examples where Nationalistic candidates gain traction after a nation's decline in world stature as a result of weak leadership. I don't see how this is any different than those examples in the past. Trump is not my first choice, but he is bringing some important topics to the debate and making a lot of establishment GOP nervous.. |
| 2015-08-24 3:48 PM in reply to: Jackemy1 |
Master 2802 Minnetonka, Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: Republican debate Originally posted by Jackemy1 Trump is striking the nationalism drumbeat. With eight years of Obama telling us how bad America and really just rejecting American exceptionalism in favor of globalism, he has definitely struck a nerve. There are lots of historical examples where Nationalistic candidates gain traction after a nation's decline in world stature as a result of weak leadership. I don't see how this is any different than those examples in the past. Trump is not my first choice, but he is bringing some important topics to the debate and making a lot of establishment GOP nervous.. How exactly does one measure a country's "world stature" to be able to compare trends or one country versus another? |
| 2015-08-24 4:06 PM in reply to: ejshowers |
Member 465 | Subject: RE: Republican debate Originally posted by ejshowers Originally posted by Jackemy1 Trump is striking the nationalism drumbeat. With eight years of Obama telling us how bad America and really just rejecting American exceptionalism in favor of globalism, he has definitely struck a nerve. There are lots of historical examples where Nationalistic candidates gain traction after a nation's decline in world stature as a result of weak leadership. I don't see how this is any different than those examples in the past. Trump is not my first choice, but he is bringing some important topics to the debate and making a lot of establishment GOP nervous.. How exactly does one measure a country's "world stature" to be able to compare trends or one country versus another? Gallup has a poll on everything. http://www.gallup.com/poll/181685/americans-views-position-world-st... |
| 2015-08-25 10:28 PM in reply to: Jackemy1 |
Expert 1240 Columbia, MO | Subject: RE: Republican debate Originally posted by Jackemy1 Trump is striking the nationalism drumbeat. With eight years of Obama telling us how bad America and really just rejecting American exceptionalism in favor of globalism, he has definitely struck a nerve. There are lots of historical examples where Nationalistic candidates gain traction after a nation's decline in world stature as a result of weak leadership. I don't see how this is any different than those examples in the past. Trump is not my first choice, but he is bringing some important topics to the debate and making a lot of establishment GOP nervous.. Just quoting to give you an enthusiastic Thumbs UP!Sadly I still stand by what I said...if it's Clinton or Bush, I'm moving to a state willing to Secede |
| 2015-08-27 8:45 AM in reply to: bsjracing |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Republican debate Originally posted by bsjracing Originally posted by Jackemy1 Trump is striking the nationalism drumbeat. With eight years of Obama telling us how bad America and really just rejecting American exceptionalism in favor of globalism, he has definitely struck a nerve. There are lots of historical examples where Nationalistic candidates gain traction after a nation's decline in world stature as a result of weak leadership. I don't see how this is any different than those examples in the past. Trump is not my first choice, but he is bringing some important topics to the debate and making a lot of establishment GOP nervous.. Just quoting to give you an enthusiastic Thumbs UP!Sadly I still stand by what I said...if it's Clinton or Bush, I'm moving to a state willing to Secede One thing I'm truly encouraged by is that both the democrats and republicans seem to be fed up with Clinton and Bush. I know Hillary is up there in the polls, but pretty much anyone with a pulse that gets mentioned against Hillary gets huge support from the Dems. |
| 2015-08-29 9:25 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Expert 2180 Boise, Idaho | Subject: RE: Republican debate Don't want to hijack a thread talking about a Democrat, but.... What about Biden?? He's got the political 'pedigree', he certainly knows how to speak his mind. Sure, he's said and done some rather awkward things, but when he is speaking on behalf of the country, I think he's very easy to like. You can't say you like Trump's 'tell it like it is' routine and not give Joe the same credit. Like any election, it comes down to which party is going to SAY they'll protect the things YOU care about. |
| 2015-08-30 7:54 AM in reply to: 0 |
| Veteran 244 Ohio | Subject: RE: Republican debate Seems OK, but I can't passed some of the "creepy" pics of him that show up now and then. Also, too old, IMHO. Would be 74 when he takes office. ETA: Although Bernie would be a year older. Edited by buck1400 2015-08-30 7:55 AM |
| 2015-08-30 1:58 PM in reply to: jeffnboise |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Republican debate Originally posted by jeffnboise Don't want to hijack a thread talking about a Democrat, but.... What about Biden?? He's got the political 'pedigree', he certainly knows how to speak his mind. Sure, he's said and done some rather awkward things, but when he is speaking on behalf of the country, I think he's very easy to like. You can't say you like Trump's 'tell it like it is' routine and not give Joe the same credit. Like any election, it comes down to which party is going to SAY they'll protect the things YOU care about. IMHO Biden is a massively better candidate than Hillary and I also agree that typically his mis-statements would be really bad, but in comparison to Trump they're negated. He's obviously another establishment guy though, so I think he'll have a lot of the same negatives everyone else is facing. This is quickly turning into an "anti-establishment" year, so I'm curious if it stays that way. |
| 2015-08-31 8:46 AM in reply to: 0 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Republican debate I honestly have no idea, but I still think it's too far away from the general election to take much of what's happening now very seriously. It sort of seems as though both parties are using the strategy of keeping their top horse out of the fray as much as possible. The GOP's version of this is to to run seventeen candidates out there, so no one person gets too much negative attention and the real contenders (Bush, Cruz, Rubio) get to stay out of the spotlight a little. The Dem's version of this is to keep Hillary pretty low key, and to let Sanders do most of the real "campaigning". Maybe Biden is getting added to the mix to add another potential target. I don't know whether he's a legit candidate, although I do sort of like him. There's no way Trump is getting the nomination. There's still a chance he'll say or do something that will result in his campaign completey imploding , but even if he doesn't, there's no way he's standing on the podium at the Convention. But the funny thing (to me) is that the reason he won't get the nomination isn't because he's a sexist, xenophobic blowhard with no real ideas on how to run a country, it will be because, as Tony alluded to earlier, he's probably too liberal on a lot of fronts to win the GOP nomination. My guess is he leaves the GOP and runs as an independant. Hey, and not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but is anyone else as excited as I am that Kanye West announced that he's planning to run for president in 2020? Think about this for a second: "Ladies and Gentlemen of the United Nations, please welcome to the chamber First Lady of the United States, Ms. Kim Kardashian...." Edited by jmk-brooklyn 2015-08-31 8:47 AM |
| 2015-08-31 10:41 AM in reply to: jmk-brooklyn |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Republican debate Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn I honestly have no idea, but I still think it's too far away from the general election to take much of what's happening now very seriously. It sort of seems as though both parties are using the strategy of keeping their top horse out of the fray as much as possible. The GOP's version of this is to to run seventeen candidates out there, so no one person gets too much negative attention and the real contenders (Bush, Cruz, Rubio) get to stay out of the spotlight a little. The Dem's version of this is to keep Hillary pretty low key, and to let Sanders do most of the real "campaigning". Maybe Biden is getting added to the mix to add another potential target. I don't know whether he's a legit candidate, although I do sort of like him. There's no way Trump is getting the nomination. There's still a chance he'll say or do something that will result in his campaign completey imploding , but even if he doesn't, there's no way he's standing on the podium at the Convention. But the funny thing (to me) is that the reason he won't get the nomination isn't because he's a sexist, xenophobic blowhard with no real ideas on how to run a country, it will be because, as Tony alluded to earlier, he's probably too liberal on a lot of fronts to win the GOP nomination. My guess is he leaves the GOP and runs as an independant. Hey, and not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but is anyone else as excited as I am that Kanye West announced that he's planning to run for president in 2020? Think about this for a second: "Ladies and Gentlemen of the United Nations, please welcome to the chamber First Lady of the United States, Ms. Kim Kardashian...." On Trump, I think it's more and more likely that he IS going to be the nominee. Obviously there's a lot of time between now and the primaries, but he's crushing every single demographic in the republican party and nobody has ever done that before in my lifetime. The really interesting part is that IMHO Trump is by far the most centrist candidate out there and that's who the republican base is pushing. This is EXACTLY what everyone said the republicans need to do, but nobody on the Democratic side can allow it to happen. |
| 2015-08-31 10:51 AM in reply to: tuwood |
Master 6834 Englewood, Florida | Subject: RE: Republican debate Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn I honestly have no idea, but I still think it's too far away from the general election to take much of what's happening now very seriously. It sort of seems as though both parties are using the strategy of keeping their top horse out of the fray as much as possible. The GOP's version of this is to to run seventeen candidates out there, so no one person gets too much negative attention and the real contenders (Bush, Cruz, Rubio) get to stay out of the spotlight a little. The Dem's version of this is to keep Hillary pretty low key, and to let Sanders do most of the real "campaigning". Maybe Biden is getting added to the mix to add another potential target. I don't know whether he's a legit candidate, although I do sort of like him. There's no way Trump is getting the nomination. There's still a chance he'll say or do something that will result in his campaign completey imploding , but even if he doesn't, there's no way he's standing on the podium at the Convention. But the funny thing (to me) is that the reason he won't get the nomination isn't because he's a sexist, xenophobic blowhard with no real ideas on how to run a country, it will be because, as Tony alluded to earlier, he's probably too liberal on a lot of fronts to win the GOP nomination. My guess is he leaves the GOP and runs as an independant. Hey, and not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but is anyone else as excited as I am that Kanye West announced that he's planning to run for president in 2020? Think about this for a second: "Ladies and Gentlemen of the United Nations, please welcome to the chamber First Lady of the United States, Ms. Kim Kardashian...." On Trump, I think it's more and more likely that he IS going to be the nominee. Obviously there's a lot of time between now and the primaries, but he's crushing every single demographic in the republican party and nobody has ever done that before in my lifetime. The really interesting part is that IMHO Trump is by far the most centrist candidate out there and that's who the republican base is pushing. This is EXACTLY what everyone said the republicans need to do, but nobody on the Democratic side can allow it to happen. I'm of the opinion that when the true political dirt digging and mud slinging begins, Trump will be exiting with his foot lodged in his mouth. While many may agree with what he is saying, the way he is coming across will NOT help him at all. Many of us want someone that isn't a career DC insider, yet there is a certain way to speak to the Prime Minister of Insert Any Country Name that Trump just doesn't have. I really struggle to see him working with other world powers to improve our relationships. But, the whole thing is another year away and a lot will happen between then and now. |
| 2015-08-31 11:49 AM in reply to: tuwood |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Republican debate Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn I honestly have no idea, but I still think it's too far away from the general election to take much of what's happening now very seriously. It sort of seems as though both parties are using the strategy of keeping their top horse out of the fray as much as possible. The GOP's version of this is to to run seventeen candidates out there, so no one person gets too much negative attention and the real contenders (Bush, Cruz, Rubio) get to stay out of the spotlight a little. The Dem's version of this is to keep Hillary pretty low key, and to let Sanders do most of the real "campaigning". Maybe Biden is getting added to the mix to add another potential target. I don't know whether he's a legit candidate, although I do sort of like him. There's no way Trump is getting the nomination. There's still a chance he'll say or do something that will result in his campaign completey imploding , but even if he doesn't, there's no way he's standing on the podium at the Convention. But the funny thing (to me) is that the reason he won't get the nomination isn't because he's a sexist, xenophobic blowhard with no real ideas on how to run a country, it will be because, as Tony alluded to earlier, he's probably too liberal on a lot of fronts to win the GOP nomination. My guess is he leaves the GOP and runs as an independant. Hey, and not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but is anyone else as excited as I am that Kanye West announced that he's planning to run for president in 2020? Think about this for a second: "Ladies and Gentlemen of the United Nations, please welcome to the chamber First Lady of the United States, Ms. Kim Kardashian...." On Trump, I think it's more and more likely that he IS going to be the nominee. Obviously there's a lot of time between now and the primaries, but he's crushing every single demographic in the republican party and nobody has ever done that before in my lifetime. The really interesting part is that IMHO Trump is by far the most centrist candidate out there and that's who the republican base is pushing. This is EXACTLY what everyone said the republicans need to do, but nobody on the Democratic side can allow it to happen. I hope you're right, because there's no way on Earth trump garners enough democratic votes to win. You're right that Dems want an antiestablishment candidate too, but Trump isn't going to be the guy. He might be antiestablishment from a GOP point of view, but from a democratic lens, he's just another wealthy white guy who wants to deport all the brown people. Democrats have been voting against that guy for years. |
| 2015-08-31 12:26 PM in reply to: jmk-brooklyn |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Republican debate Also, to add: Trump has also been an outspoken birther, even going so far as to publicly suggest that the death in 2014 of the Hawaii health official who certified Obama's birth certificate was some kind of conspiracy. Democrats aren't going to easily forget that. It hasn't come up in the GOP debates, but you can bet that Democrats don't take kindly to some of the things the Donald is on record as saying on the topic. (Also, sidebar, did you happen to read the article that said that there are more registered GOP voters in Louisiana who blame Obama, who wasn't in office at the time, for the post-Hurricane-Katrina response than blame Bush, who was? That made me chuckle. Well done, Governor Jindal.) |
| 2015-08-31 1:03 PM in reply to: jmk-brooklyn |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Republican debate Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Also, to add: Trump has also been an outspoken birther, even going so far as to publicly suggest that the death in 2014 of the Hawaii health official who certified Obama's birth certificate was some kind of conspiracy. Democrats aren't going to easily forget that. It hasn't come up in the GOP debates, but you can bet that Democrats don't take kindly to some of the things the Donald is on record as saying on the topic. (Also, sidebar, did you happen to read the article that said that there are more registered GOP voters in Louisiana who blame Obama, who wasn't in office at the time, for the post-Hurricane-Katrina response than blame Bush, who was? That made me chuckle. Well done, Governor Jindal.) I hadn't seen the Katrina article, but that is kind of funny (in a bad way). I thought about all the birther stuff too and how that would play, but honestly it's fairly mild on the scale of outlandish things Trump has said. |
| 2015-08-31 1:22 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Republican debate Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Also, to add: Trump has also been an outspoken birther, even going so far as to publicly suggest that the death in 2014 of the Hawaii health official who certified Obama's birth certificate was some kind of conspiracy. Democrats aren't going to easily forget that. It hasn't come up in the GOP debates, but you can bet that Democrats don't take kindly to some of the things the Donald is on record as saying on the topic. (Also, sidebar, did you happen to read the article that said that there are more registered GOP voters in Louisiana who blame Obama, who wasn't in office at the time, for the post-Hurricane-Katrina response than blame Bush, who was? That made me chuckle. Well done, Governor Jindal.) I hadn't seen the Katrina article, but that is kind of funny (in a bad way). I thought about all the birther stuff too and how that would play, but honestly it's fairly mild on the scale of outlandish things Trump has said.
At least Trump informed us that our gang problem here is mostly illegals........I guess they're illegal from Kenya, Ethiopia, or somewhere. LMAO |
| 2015-08-31 2:05 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Republican debate Here's the article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/obama-hurricane-katrina_n_... Exerpt: A large number of Louisiana Republicans think President Barack Obama is to blame for the federal government's poor response to Hurricane Katrina, according to a new Public Policy Polling survey released Wednesday -- despite the fact that the storm occurred three years before he took office. The Democratic-leaning polling firm, which provided its results to Talking Points Memo, found that 29 percent of Louisiana Republicans said Obama was responsible for the Katrina response. 28 percent put the blame on President George W. Bush, whose administration did in fact oversee the federal response to Katrina. Nearly half (44 percent) of the Louisiana Republicans polled didn't know who to blame. |
| 2015-08-31 2:06 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Republican debate Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Also, to add: Trump has also been an outspoken birther, even going so far as to publicly suggest that the death in 2014 of the Hawaii health official who certified Obama's birth certificate was some kind of conspiracy. Democrats aren't going to easily forget that. It hasn't come up in the GOP debates, but you can bet that Democrats don't take kindly to some of the things the Donald is on record as saying on the topic. (Also, sidebar, did you happen to read the article that said that there are more registered GOP voters in Louisiana who blame Obama, who wasn't in office at the time, for the post-Hurricane-Katrina response than blame Bush, who was? That made me chuckle. Well done, Governor Jindal.) I hadn't seen the Katrina article, but that is kind of funny (in a bad way). I thought about all the birther stuff too and how that would play, but honestly it's fairly mild on the scale of outlandish things Trump has said.
At least Trump informed us that our gang problem here is mostly illegals........I guess they're illegal from Kenya, Ethiopia, or somewhere. LMAO "...and some, I assume, are good people." |
| 2015-08-31 3:15 PM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Republican debate Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Originally posted by Left Brain "...and some, I assume, are good people." Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Also, to add: Trump has also been an outspoken birther, even going so far as to publicly suggest that the death in 2014 of the Hawaii health official who certified Obama's birth certificate was some kind of conspiracy. Democrats aren't going to easily forget that. It hasn't come up in the GOP debates, but you can bet that Democrats don't take kindly to some of the things the Donald is on record as saying on the topic. (Also, sidebar, did you happen to read the article that said that there are more registered GOP voters in Louisiana who blame Obama, who wasn't in office at the time, for the post-Hurricane-Katrina response than blame Bush, who was? That made me chuckle. Well done, Governor Jindal.) I hadn't seen the Katrina article, but that is kind of funny (in a bad way). I thought about all the birther stuff too and how that would play, but honestly it's fairly mild on the scale of outlandish things Trump has said.
At least Trump informed us that our gang problem here is mostly illegals........I guess they're illegal from Kenya, Ethiopia, or somewhere. LMAO Right?? I can't listen to the guy anymore. I like that he is not a part of the political elite. I like that he is not beholding to special interests. It ends there. The guy is an arrogant plick , period. Well, not really period, he's also a buffoon. I couldn't vote for him.
Edited by Left Brain 2015-08-31 3:18 PM |
| 2015-08-31 3:34 PM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Republican debate Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Originally posted by Left Brain "...and some, I assume, are good people." Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Also, to add: Trump has also been an outspoken birther, even going so far as to publicly suggest that the death in 2014 of the Hawaii health official who certified Obama's birth certificate was some kind of conspiracy. Democrats aren't going to easily forget that. It hasn't come up in the GOP debates, but you can bet that Democrats don't take kindly to some of the things the Donald is on record as saying on the topic. (Also, sidebar, did you happen to read the article that said that there are more registered GOP voters in Louisiana who blame Obama, who wasn't in office at the time, for the post-Hurricane-Katrina response than blame Bush, who was? That made me chuckle. Well done, Governor Jindal.) I hadn't seen the Katrina article, but that is kind of funny (in a bad way). I thought about all the birther stuff too and how that would play, but honestly it's fairly mild on the scale of outlandish things Trump has said.
At least Trump informed us that our gang problem here is mostly illegals........I guess they're illegal from Kenya, Ethiopia, or somewhere. LMAO Right?? I can't listen to the guy anymore. I like that he is not a part of the political elite. I like that he is not beholding to special interests. It ends there. The guy is an arrogant plick , period. Well, not really period, he's also a buffoon. I couldn't vote for him.
LB for Hillary 2016 Edited by tuwood 2015-08-31 3:35 PM |
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