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the person behind the bear?
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is a local pro who owns the tri scene
is a retired age group champion who still trains
is a toothless Cajon living on the bayou - without a bike
is a full-bearded bum who raced motocross in the '70's
is a BOPer who talks a sweet game
a French-Canadian journalist trying to get a rise out of US triathletes
is a pimplefaced teenager who reads Triathlete Magazine
is a Schwinn owner/rider
is a heart attack waiting to happen
is a internet dater just trying to get laid
is a woman fanboat driver who once dated a triathlete
This is a multiple choice poll.

2004-09-02 9:25 AM
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Now you've gone and done it! Didn't your mother ever tell you not to poke a sleeping Bear?


2004-09-02 9:26 AM
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Hey Tough Guy:

I would like to retract my earlier statement that this was funny stuff.  This is a site for mostly non-elite, average, MOP and BOP triathletes trying to do their best and excited about the sport.  There is a lot information here and most of us know it comes from non professional sources, but still provides us with useful advice and information.  Some people here, excluding myself, are VERY knowledgeable about their sport, such as the Bear and a number of others. 

Take a look at various professional coaches in any sport.... how many of them do not look like they could participate in that sport???  A lot of them.

We also (or at least I do) have a lot of fun on this site.  I thought this was the case with this thread.  It seems I was wrong (as usual).  I don't think there is anyone on this site who TRIES to be a "know-it-all", but again average people who are trying to help out others.

IMHO (in my humble opinion)

Gary



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2004-09-02 9:36 AM
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Could it be TriClide?
2004-09-02 9:39 AM
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 Hell, I'm with bear, I would feel complemented!  I wish there was a poll about me.... 
2004-09-02 9:48 AM
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I agree with this. At the Olympics I did not see very many coaches who I though were in the ultimate shape. Hmmm... I guess the athletes went with the guy/gal with the most knowledge and expertise in passing it on to others - not the guy/gal who looks the best on the surface.

If it was me choosing the coach at the gym, I'd go with the person who I felt could get me where I wanted to go, had the best information, etc. And, it might not be the thin, ripped, tan person - it might be the fat guy, who's been in the business longer and has more base knowledge.

Also, assuming someone is not fit because they happen to carry more weight than you do, may not be accurate.

If you don't want to take someone's advice, then don't. If you want to bash on other people, head on over to slowtwitch. Don't be surprised if they bash back though - as a general rule they are MUCH more impolite than the people on this forum.
2004-09-02 9:48 AM
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I don't understand this "Schwinn" thing as we don't have them in Oz to my knowledge. Surely you people are not being petty about brand names?????? Welshy if your Schwinn has chopper forks and a banana seat you can dink me any time ;-) BTW "dink" is an Oz word for taking a pillion passenger ;-) Thought I had better get that in before Gary piped up and asked for videos. Now I think we should all ignore this thread as to keep posting is to keep it alive. I would like to see it buried in the dross of yesterday (your posts are exempt from that Welshy) ;-) Dx


2004-09-02 9:51 AM
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At first, I thought it was just somebody poking a little fun at the bear. Now it appears that 455halfim is just trying to start a flame war here.

455halfim - ever seen a fat aerobics instructor? I have. Their bodies have become accustomed to what they're doing - that doesn't mean they're doing something wrong. If it's a woman, perhaps she just had a child recently, and is losing those last few pounds. Maybe the person had a serious illness, and is working back into it.

I check out a lot of the advice that I read or hear. Some of it I try, some of it I don't bother to try. Some of it works for me, some of it doesn't. That doesn't mean that anybody is 'doing something wrong'. Everybody is unique, what works for me might not work for you.

As was pointed out earlier, this site is called BEGINNERTRIATHLE.COM, and it's supposed to be a non-elitist website (as well as support a non-elitist sport). Your username, and your obsession with bears tri-times make you sound like an elitist snob. Personally, you may have the ultimate, perfect, one-size-fits-all, training plan GUARANTEED to make me win IM Hawaii with 4 months, but I won't be paying attention to any more posts with your moniker on them.

Your half-IM times might impress you, and make you a real competitor someday. Good luck with your training and competing. And good luck becoming a friendly person, 'cause I get the impression you'll win IM Hawaii before you win many friends.

Just my .02...
2004-09-02 9:52 AM
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Nah, D, keep it alive. I'm rather enjoying the responses in my defense. Keep 'em coming.

Still debating whether I'm going to dignify his "speed" question with a response.
2004-09-02 9:53 AM
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You know, this is beginnertriathlete.com...... that means that we are all here to lend our advice...whether expert or not. If you don't like it and don't trust it, go to another forum!

I'm not usually bothered by what people say...but you're kind of pissing people off....if you don't like the information that Bear or anyone else is giving, LEAVE!
2004-09-02 9:54 AM
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Joe, shouldn't you be working?
2004-09-02 10:04 AM
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2004-09-02 10:09 AM
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Wow...I think it is pretty obvious that we all have fun, and occasionally at each others expense...but this didn't just cross the line...it blew past it at about 80...hey 455halfim...step out from behind the curtain...lets see who is pulling the strings

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2004-09-02 10:12 AM
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the bear - 2004-09-02 9:52 AM

  • I'm rather enjoying the responses in my defense. Keep 'em coming.



  • Glad I deleted the nice things I was gonna say about you in my post. Your head gets any bigger then it’ll make the aero position on the bike much more difficult.
    See- be rude to the bear – its good for him
    2004-09-02 10:13 AM
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    This might turn me in to a lightning rod, but here it goes.

    I think both the Bear and Tough Guy are getting a bit of a bum rap.  My personal opinion is Bear is blunt and can be abraisive in this medium to some, possibly because people can't see body language, etc..., but ultimately, his advice/comments have been accurate if sometimes confrontational, in nature. I just had a conversation about sun glasses....

    Tough guy  (and I don't think it is a guy, by the way) posted what I thought was a funny poll (it wasn't perfect as there were no references to peanutbutter, camisoles, athenas, momma, trains...er, nevermind...).  It is my opinion that it started out that way, a somewhat funny poll, but it offended and grew.  In trying to justify, Tough guy's example provoked more and he got defensive which is understandable considering the number of people who piled on.....  I think that this is not necessarily what/who tough guy is and we should give him/her a break. 

     

    2004-09-02 10:15 AM
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    joeinco - 2004-09-02 6:51 AM



    Your half-IM times might impress you, and make you a real competitor someday. Good luck with your training and competing. And good luck becoming a friendly person, 'cause I get the impression you'll win IM Hawaii before you win many friends.


    You rock!!! Wish I said that. Gotta love the Bear
    2004-09-02 10:16 AM
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    What????????????

    There's video?



    2004-09-02 10:16 AM
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    You mean a post about posts that could have been misinterpreted can have been misinterpreted in itself. Parody? Irony? Peanut buttery?


    Oh er missus.
    2004-09-02 10:18 AM
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    455halfim - 2004-09-01 8:07 PM
    I am new to the site
    I have been on this site for several hours now
    one thing that I noticed is that "the bear" seems to know all


    I don't buy it! guidelines for a healty disscussion seem to have gone out the window here. I don't think you are who you say you are. I believe you have been here before as a differnet user name and have loged on anew to have a rip at the bear.
    If you have only been here a few hours, and found the site valuable and informative, then why the introductive post that begins with tearing into a fellow member of the boards? You seem to have been around long enough to know how the site operates and have read enough posts to draw conclusions about the Bear. You have no real name, no E-mail address, you are an ambiguous figure. No one here has met virtually met you yet you are bold enough to step right up and begin a confrontational assault on other forum members. Nothing in your actions is consistent with the numerous new users who log onto ths foum almost daily. Maybee you are who you say you are, but I belive you to be in disguise
    2004-09-02 10:24 AM
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    Oh, I agree completely.  Definately a fake persona.  That is why I was saying I didn't think it was a guy at all....

    2004-09-02 10:26 AM
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    Yes, but the bigger head will give me better balance on the swim, keep my legs from dragging.
    2004-09-02 10:29 AM
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    Maybe it's the BEAR posting as Tough Guy!!


    2004-09-02 10:32 AM
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    tmwelshy - 2004-09-02 7:54 AM

    Joe, shouldn't you be working?


    YOU have posted more than I have this morning! ;-)

    This whole thing got me fired up - in America, we have freedom of speech. We also have freedom of listening. If someone thinks the bear posts too much or incorrect information DON'T PAY ATTENTION! Sheesh! If you don't like what's on TV, do you leave the same channel on? And just because bear didn't take gold in the Olympics doesn't mean he's doing something wrong. I doubt that I'll ever be age-group competitive, much less an IM threat, but I've learned a lot about tri-training, a lot about what I CAN accomplish, and what I'm going to accomplish. That doesn't mean I'm doing anything wrong. If there's anything I'm doing wrong about my training, it's that I have a life and responsibilities, and no sponsor, and I'm working 8-hours a day before I train for 1 1/2 - 2 hours.

    Care to get me started on politics? ;-)
    2004-09-02 10:32 AM
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    the bear - 2004-09-02 10:26 AM

    Yes, but the bigger head will give me better balance on the swim, keep my legs from dragging.


    Too big and you’ll be scuba diving.

    not good for PB's!
    2004-09-02 10:48 AM
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    Got to agree with most everyone else.  Bear's comments are direct, to the point, and sometimes confrontational ("Do you really need that much bike?" comes to mind), but they have a point and are definitely knowledgable.  The question I quoted was a legitimate one for TriMom.  It boiled down to "Are your technique, experience, and fitness levels high enough that you'll be able to benefit from a $2500 bike in way that you couldn't with a $1800 bike?"  As beginners, many of us probably wouldn't even notice the difference between bikes of that level, and if we did, it would be in the range of tenths of a mile per hour.

    If I were to assume that Bear was a 55 year old BOPer, that hardly means I wouldn't want to take training or technique advice from him.  Where he finishes doesn't mean anything to me, it's how close he is to his personal potential.  If he's right at it, that means his technique and training are very good.  Like it or not, everyone one of us has a max.  Perfect form, perfect training, and perfect equipment are NEVER going to get me qualified for, let alone make me win, IM Hawaii.  I simply don't have the genetics or the time for it.  Does that mean that after ten years of training and instruction that I won't have gained the knowledge to help someone else get there?  Someone who finishes MOP on the bike split while riding a $500 road bike is sure qualified to give me advice on technique and training.  It's pretty clear that with a good tri bike, he'd be near the top.

    As for your example of the gym: I've seen plenty of gym rats who were in good muscular shape who have absolutely HORRENDOUS form on their lifts and are just an injury waiting to happen.  The huge numbers of hours they put in is what gives them results, not their knowledge or technique.  If the fat guy knows what he's talking about and can communicate that effectively to me, I'll take him.

    2004-09-02 10:52 AM
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    I think its Pandora or maybe even FitMama stirring the pot again.  We all know what kind of trouble they can start!!!!
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