Ironman Arizona : Official Thread (Page 21)
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![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Finishing a recovery week this week, then taper. Still have some longer w/o's left in the next few weeks, just not as long as I had been doing. Suppose to be doing an open water swim this morning, but cold and windy where I am at (NW corner of AZ) and no city pool this time of year in my town This is my first time at the IM distance, hoping for the 12-14 hour time zone for finishing, but truthfully just want to accomplish it and be a FINISHER. Fastest 1/2 IM time is 5:46, not sure if you can really rely on the double and add an hour formula. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() My 1st (and only) IM was at AZ 2 years ago, in the high 14s. I'm a lot stronger and better trained this time around, so I've got some time goals in mind but basically I'm pretty confident of a big big PR and looking forward to getting it done! My last long ride is this Sunday and then it's taper time - lots of rest next week, a little more work the week after, and then serious rest on race week. |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jackson61802 - 2011-10-27 2:55 PM so yeah...let's see some goals people!I
This will be IM #3 for me...2nd this year (CdA in June). My goals are simple...PR the Swim bike and run Im hoping to go around 1:11 (1:13 at cda) on the swim, 5:30ish (5:34 at cda) in the bike, then 4:10-4:15 (4:23 at cda) on the run. Just hoping it wont be tooo windy out there. Next week is my last big week...will throw a 20 or so mile run, a 90-120 miler on the bike..and some long swims. Then it's that awkward weird feeling taper for me. anyone else starting to check the weather in AZ yet?? |
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Member![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() dharris13 - 2011-10-28 11:32 AM jackson61802 - 2011-10-27 2:55 PM so yeah...let's see some goals people!I First IM so finish, BUT. I did a half this past Summer in 5:06 (actually died on the run whch is my strongest due to a really hot day, should have been closer to sub 5). and my best marathon time is 3:09 so: Swim 1:20, Bike 6:00, Run 3:30 if all goes well |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Okay, all of you repeaters - clear or smoke goggles for the swim? And on average, when do the temps start to drop in the evening - is it with the sun? |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() velcromom - 2011-10-28 9:50 AM Okay, all of you repeaters - clear or smoke goggles for the swim? And on average, when do the temps start to drop in the evening - is it with the sun? For the swim it depends on your speed I think, the course heads straight into the rising sun but the fastest swimmers are at the turnaround before it becomes problematic. I'm not fast at all so I'll definitely be wearing tinted goggles. It doesn't really cool off till after dark and even then it's not *too* bad. I was trying to shove cold sponges in my top right up until 8 or 9 at night. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jodavis21 - 2011-10-28 9:58 AM great info.. thx. Where is the best place to line up if you're planning a 1:05'ish swim? I have been trying and trying to find it but...there was a whole discussion last year or the year before about where the fast people start because the swim buoys are not in a straight line - the lake walls curve and so on the outbound stretch the buoys curve to the right. Meaning that people ilke me who hugged left on the buoy line actually swam further than the people who started to the right and swam a straight line out to the turnaround. I think you have to see the course when it's all set up to see that. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() This is my first IM and I am doing it with my brother. Goal wise, feeling like I should be around 12-14 hours. I got at least another long ride this weekend, though only 80 miles followed by 5 mile run. Then long run on Monday. After that I am contemplating doing another 80 miler on Nov. 5th or if I should taper that back and only do maybe 50-60. Don't want to over do it. I am arriving into Tempe on Wednesday night or Thursday morning. Could potentially be interested in meeting up but my whole family is coming into town, so may or may not have that free time. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have been trying and trying to find it but...there was a whole discussion last year or the year before about where the fast people start because the swim buoys are not in a straight line - the lake walls curve and so on the outbound stretch the buoys curve to the right. Meaning that people ilke me who hugged left on the buoy line actually swam further than the people who started to the right and swam a straight line out to the turnaround. I think you have to see the course when it's all set up to see that. Ah.. that makes things a bit more interesting. Great to know. thank you. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() #1093..can't wait to meet some of you guys.. |
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![]() jodavis21 - 2011-10-28 10:46 AM I have been trying and trying to find it but...there was a whole discussion last year or the year before about where the fast people start because the swim buoys are not in a straight line - the lake walls curve and so on the outbound stretch the buoys curve to the right. Meaning that people ilke me who hugged left on the buoy line actually swam further than the people who started to the right and swam a straight line out to the turnaround. I think you have to see the course when it's all set up to see that Ah.. that makes things a bit more interesting. Great to know. thank you. I have an overhead shot somewhere, can't find it now, but basically shows that the crowd will be on the wall. Theoretically, that is the straightest line, because the lake bends away to the right, and it is possible to swim a straight line from the start to the far bridge. Practically, however, it is more crowded, and you have less (actually no) intermediate buoys to site off of. So you have to swim a very straight line through crowds to take full advantage of it. The buoys are less crowded, but also longer. I swam a :59 and lined up about 2 rows back right side (near-ish to the wall). Problem is, you float around so much during the anthem, and people dont know how to tread water without kicking wildly, that it's hard to keep your position, so I ended up about 4-5 rows back. If you can get out fast enough, you can clear most of the crowd within the first few hundred yards. That's a heart rate penalty you may not want to take. If I were to do it again, I'd line up smack dab in the middle, and aim for one of the far buoys and hook up with an inside line there, trying to avoid that initial curve. Edited by ChrisM 2011-10-28 1:42 PM |
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New user ![]() ![]() | ![]() First IM here. Did the HIM in August in 5:01 (with the worst transition times of the entire field) adjusted my bike a bit and hope for better nutritional support during the IMAZ - shooting for a sub 12 time (outbound flight is at 11PM on SUN so I HAVE to make it happen My last long run will be the NYC Marathon on NOV 6th. This weekend I'll put a long ride in on Sunday and 15 miles run on SAT. Then I feel ready for the challenge... What are you planning to wear - as I have only cyclingOR running gear I'm looking for something I can wear the entire da (tri suit or tri short and top). Any recommendations? |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() What are you planning to wear - as I have only cyclingOR running gear I'm looking for something I can wear the entire da (tri suit or tri short and top). Any recommendations?
DeSoto Riviera shorts and top for the whole race, just like I did in Idaho. Depending on the weather, I may have armwarmers for the first part of the bike. Never had to even think about my comfort the whole day. Xterra Vortex wetsuit Shimano TR-52's on the bike Zoot Kalani's on the run. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() smoke goggles for sure - you swim right into the sun going out. and it started getting cool - if I recall correctly - a little after the sun went down not right away but soon after.
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() matthias77 - 2011-10-28 12:52 PM First IM here. Did the HIM in August in 5:01 (with the worst transition times of the entire field) adjusted my bike a bit and hope for better nutritional support during the IMAZ - shooting for a sub 12 time (outbound flight is at 11PM on SUN so I HAVE to make it happen My last long run will be the NYC Marathon on NOV 6th. This weekend I'll put a long ride in on Sunday and 15 miles run on SAT. Then I feel ready for the challenge... What are you planning to wear - as I have only cyclingOR running gear I'm looking for something I can wear the entire da (tri suit or tri short and top). Any recommendations? Sounds like I may want smoke goggles. I'll be swimming 1:15-1:30 depending on how crowded it is and how much the cold water affects me. I'll be wearing desoto tri shorts with a craft tri top the entire day. I'll throw on arm warmers when I get on the bike. I'll pocket the arm warmers when I thaw out, but will bring them on the run. I'll pick up my fuel belt (bringing only 2 bottles) in t2 and attach the arm warmers to it in case I need them later and throw on a hat. I might put on a pair of running shorts over my bottoms cause that's how I've been doing my long bricks. They don't add any benefit though so assuming my long brick today w/out them goes well then I will not wear those. I'll likely change into fresh socks in t2 as well. Edited by syscrash 2011-10-29 7:02 AM |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jodavis21 - 2011-10-28 11:58 AM great info.. thx. Where is the best place to line up if you're planning a 1:05'ish swim? So here is what I have been directed by my swim coach here in AZ (who himself has done IM AZ a couple times): Quadrant 1 (front left) - fastest swimmers (1:05:00 qualifies here or in QII) - this is alongside the buoys (all left turns) Quadrant 2 (Back left) - 2nd fastest swimmers - also alongside the buoys, can follow the leaders and keep a tangent to the finish Quadrant 3 (upper right - alongside the dock) - 3rd fastest swimmers (1:20:00 - 1:40:00) - swim on the outside Quadrant 4 (back right) - slowest swimmers - swim on the outside, and also back so the fastest swimmers do not swim over you I doubt everyone know or follows this system, but he coached me to follow it to make best use of my placement. Water temp at TTL yesterday was 71 degrees, down from 75 last weekend, so temps are dropping rapidly with the lower air temps here. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Last really long run for me. Looking for a good long ride tomorrow. This week of training was hijacked by an unusually busy grad school load. Blah. Thankfully, I don't think it'll be detrimental, and the long run this morning was solid (as opposed to the debacle I had last week). Long ride tomorrow. Will put in a decent week this next week, then go into full taper after next weekend. As for the swim, in '09 I swam a 1:12 something and started about 3/4 of from the wall, worked well for me and I expect I'll do the same again. 3 weeks from tomorrow! Yeehaw, ready to get this party started. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() | ![]() 101abp40 - 2011-10-29 6:15 AM jodavis21 - 2011-10-28 11:58 AM great info.. thx. Where is the best place to line up if you're planning a 1:05'ish swim? So here is what I have been directed by my swim coach here in AZ (who himself has done IM AZ a couple times): Quadrant 1 (front left) - fastest swimmers (1:05:00 qualifies here or in QII) - this is alongside the buoys (all left turns) Quadrant 2 (Back left) - 2nd fastest swimmers - also alongside the buoys, can follow the leaders and keep a tangent to the finish Quadrant 3 (upper right - alongside the dock) - 3rd fastest swimmers (1:20:00 - 1:40:00) - swim on the outside Quadrant 4 (back right) - slowest swimmers - swim on the outside, and also back so the fastest swimmers do not swim over you I doubt everyone know or follows this system, but he coached me to follow it to make best use of my placement. Water temp at TTL yesterday was 71 degrees, down from 75 last weekend, so temps are dropping rapidly with the lower air temps here.
thanks... interesting. I took a look at google earth and I see what you all mean by the curve. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Have to share with people who will completely get it. Bring on Taper! I just finished my peak week of training! It backs down to only 14 hours next week, which should feel like nothing. When I finished my long run today I wanted to jump up and down and scream haha. Now, to figure out who those other people are living in my house... |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Woohoo! I just finished my last long workout weekend...6hr. bike ride and a 20M run! Bring on the taper!! ![]() |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Oh man three weeks to go! Yikes! Just finished my last big bike/run today and I'm now ready for the taper. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'll join the rest of you celebrating the start of taper. 100 mile ride yesterday, almost 22 mile run today and I am ready to do this thing! |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Taper...... what a great concept and a word I am sure we all enjoy thinking about. But is anyone else like me in that trying to taper is more difficult than the long training cycles? It is hard to "turn off" training mode and rest/recover leading up to a race. Inside I know hard training is no longer necessary, but trying to turn off the routine is a challenge. |
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Member![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 101abp40 - 2011-10-31 9:40 AM Taper...... what a great concept and a word I am sure we all enjoy thinking about. But is anyone else like me in that trying to taper is more difficult than the long training cycles? It is hard to "turn off" training mode and rest/recover leading up to a race. Inside I know hard training is no longer necessary, but trying to turn off the routine is a challenge. i hear ya, my training is kind of all or nothing and during taper I tend to take more days off then i should |
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