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2012-01-26 11:30 PM
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ToeKnail - 2012-01-26 5:15 PM Sorry if this has been asked/answered, or if it should just be common knowledge, but what are the main benefits of ceramic bearings?

That's a great question.  We wrote an entire blog article on that topic here.  Please feel free to let me know if you have any additional questions.

http://bit.ly/pQ0O1A

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2012-01-26 11:30 PM
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jgerbodegrant - 2012-01-25 5:09 PM Oh man oh man oh man, they are so shiny!!

We had a few polished samples come over.  Our wheels will actually be a matte finish by the result of a vote we posted on our blog a while back.  The majority of people chose a matte finish.  I personally think the matte finish looks better.

Thanks for the excitement!

All the best,

Good...I like matt better.  I was a little upset.

I'm glad you are happy with the matte!

2012-01-26 11:32 PM
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ToeKnail - 2012-01-26 7:15 PM Sorry if this has been asked/answered, or if it should just be common knowledge, but what are the main benefits of ceramic bearings?

 

Check out their blog, I believe they did an article on it.

 

On a separate note, are you going to have decals available in grey/black?

We also wrote a blog article about our custom color options.  You can see all of our options here...

http://bit.ly/hoDYRT

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2012-01-29 8:35 PM

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Is it just me or am I getting overly excited to get my hands on a set of these. The excitement is killing me. Release the hounds already. Are they ready yet, how about now. I said now...Just dingle the carrot in front of me. The pain. 

To think of it now, sitting on my trainer with the snow outside, I'm not really sure they will make me any faster. Doesn't matter how hard I pedal I always feel like I'm sitting still. Tomorrow is a new day though.

2012-01-29 9:40 PM
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I'm excited about these too but haven't decided between these or a set of system85 carbon clinchers from williams, for a couple hundred more.
What is your reasoning for wanting the flows so bad?
They are probably a little more aero due to the new wider toridal shape, but they're a fair bit heavier.
I'm seriously asking cause I haven't made up my mind yet .
2012-01-30 4:42 AM
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HUSKRFJ - 2012-01-29 10:40 PM I'm excited about these too but haven't decided between these or a set of system85 carbon clinchers from williams, for a couple hundred more.
What is your reasoning for wanting the flows so bad?
They are probably a little more aero due to the new wider toridal shape, but they're a fair bit heavier.
I'm seriously asking cause I haven't made up my mind yet .

I think you answered your own question; they're more aero, cheaper, and weight difference will be negligible and unless you plan on doing all your races in a really hilly environment, then weight is hardly a big consideration.



2012-01-30 5:04 AM
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HUSKRFJ - 2012-01-29 10:40 PM I'm excited about these too but haven't decided between these or a set of system85 carbon clinchers from williams, for a couple hundred more.
What is your reasoning for wanting the flows so bad?
They are probably a little more aero due to the new wider toridal shape, but they're a fair bit heavier.
I'm seriously asking cause I haven't made up my mind yet .

I think you answered your own question; they're more aero, cheaper, and weight difference will be negligible and unless you plan on doing all your races in a really hilly environment, then weight is hardly a big consideration.

You see, I didnt answer my own question. I restated my questions about the two wheelsets asking for the OP to give his opinion.

Proabably just read your post wrong but to me they (might be more aero), they are (slightly) cheaper, and the weight diference seemed (more than) negligible. I cant find the weights of the comparable flo wheels but the diference came to just under ~500 grams if I remember right which is a fair bit. As you said that is that little important, I have a few grams I could loose in my midsection that would make a much larger diferencce. But again that is why I posed my questions and was looking for other opinions so that is what I got.

Thanks,

Matt

2012-01-30 11:23 AM
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HUSKRFJ - 2012-01-29 8:40 PM I'm excited about these too but haven't decided between these or a set of system85 carbon clinchers from williams, for a couple hundred more.
What is your reasoning for wanting the flows so bad?
They are probably a little more aero due to the new wider toridal shape, but they're a fair bit heavier.
I'm seriously asking cause I haven't made up my mind yet .

 

I've been looking at some aero wheels for some time. If money wasn't in question I would probably purchase a pair of Zipp 808 firecrest but it is and at $2,500 for a set is a little steep.  At my age I'm not going to win a triathlon anytime soon but I will have a great chance as an AG therefore I'm looking for the best bang for my dollar.

Jon and Chris from FLO have been straight up on every step and process during the production stage and have made it very simple for everyone to understand. The have done a great job trying to connect with the consumer. Plus they are Canadian.

I currently ride a Felt with TTR3 wheels with a suggested weight of 2200 grams. If I recall correctly that a set of the FLO 90's where under 2000 grams, but there website isn't the easiest to get through but I'm sure that will be updated in time. Plus with them being more Aero and lighter then what I have it's still an upgrade for me.

Like I said for me its the best bang for my buck.

At their suggested prices why would you not consider the FLO wheels. 

2012-01-30 11:28 AM
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Are they still expecting to bring these to market for ~ $800/set?
2012-01-30 11:29 AM
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HUSKRFJ - 2012-01-29 9:40 PM I'm excited about these too but haven't decided between these or a set of system85 carbon clinchers from williams, for a couple hundred more.
What is your reasoning for wanting the flows so bad?
They are probably a little more aero due to the new wider toridal shape, but they're a fair bit heavier.
I'm seriously asking cause I haven't made up my mind yet .

After bouncing around the facts for a few years now, I have had to admit that aero always trumps weight.  Now, this would be true even in a time trial over a mtn pass.  (yes, I've run the numbers through the methematical models).

I believe the design of the FLO rims will be more aero than the Williams wheels.

Therefore the faster wheels will be cheaper.

And I say that as a guy that just bought an 808fc front/sub 9 rear combo.

2012-01-30 11:42 AM
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Flo's wheels look really nice, but it's not like there aren't anything else currently out there if you simply can't wait.

Used sets that have the exact same design technology, built behind companies with years of experience can be found for very similar prices than what Flo will be selling for.

 



2012-01-30 11:43 AM
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JeffY - 2012-01-30 9:29 AM

HUSKRFJ - 2012-01-29 9:40 PM I'm excited about these too but haven't decided between these or a set of system85 carbon clinchers from williams, for a couple hundred more.
What is your reasoning for wanting the flows so bad?
They are probably a little more aero due to the new wider toridal shape, but they're a fair bit heavier.
I'm seriously asking cause I haven't made up my mind yet .

After bouncing around the facts for a few years now, I have had to admit that aero always trumps weight.  Now, this would be true even in a time trial over a mtn pass.  (yes, I've run the numbers through the methematical models).

I believe the design of the FLO rims will be more aero than the Williams wheels.

Therefore the faster wheels will be cheaper.

And I say that as a guy that just bought an 808fc front/sub 9 rear combo.

The fastest wheels are the ones you can actually put on your bike.  Flo gets an amazing amount of hype around here for a product that's not out yet.

2012-01-30 11:50 AM
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spudone - 2012-01-30 12:43 PM
JeffY - 2012-01-30 9:29 AM

HUSKRFJ - 2012-01-29 9:40 PM I'm excited about these too but haven't decided between these or a set of system85 carbon clinchers from williams, for a couple hundred more.
What is your reasoning for wanting the flows so bad?
They are probably a little more aero due to the new wider toridal shape, but they're a fair bit heavier.
I'm seriously asking cause I haven't made up my mind yet .

After bouncing around the facts for a few years now, I have had to admit that aero always trumps weight.  Now, this would be true even in a time trial over a mtn pass.  (yes, I've run the numbers through the methematical models).

I believe the design of the FLO rims will be more aero than the Williams wheels.

Therefore the faster wheels will be cheaper.

And I say that as a guy that just bought an 808fc front/sub 9 rear combo.

The fastest wheels are the ones you can actually put on your bike.  Flo gets an amazing amount of hype around here for a product that's not out yet.

Sounds like someone might be a little bitter they paid too much for a set of wheels instead of waiting a little. 

2012-01-30 11:58 AM
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RVachon - 2012-01-30 12:50 PM
spudone - 2012-01-30 12:43 PM
JeffY - 2012-01-30 9:29 AM

HUSKRFJ - 2012-01-29 9:40 PM I'm excited about these too but haven't decided between these or a set of system85 carbon clinchers from williams, for a couple hundred more.
What is your reasoning for wanting the flows so bad?
They are probably a little more aero due to the new wider toridal shape, but they're a fair bit heavier.
I'm seriously asking cause I haven't made up my mind yet .

After bouncing around the facts for a few years now, I have had to admit that aero always trumps weight.  Now, this would be true even in a time trial over a mtn pass.  (yes, I've run the numbers through the methematical models).

I believe the design of the FLO rims will be more aero than the Williams wheels.

Therefore the faster wheels will be cheaper.

And I say that as a guy that just bought an 808fc front/sub 9 rear combo.

The fastest wheels are the ones you can actually put on your bike.  Flo gets an amazing amount of hype around here for a product that's not out yet.

Sounds like someone might be a little bitter they paid too much for a set of wheels instead of waiting a little. 

actually, he's 100% correct. 

2012-01-30 12:11 PM
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Lots of good opinion and information from everyone.
Like I said I still haven't made up my mid for sure was just asking for everyone's opinions, and I guess I got em :-)
2012-01-30 12:12 PM
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RVachon - 2012-01-30 6:50 AM
spudone - 2012-01-30 12:43 PM
JeffY - 2012-01-30 9:29 AM

HUSKRFJ - 2012-01-29 9:40 PM I'm excited about these too but haven't decided between these or a set of system85 carbon clinchers from williams, for a couple hundred more.
What is your reasoning for wanting the flows so bad?
They are probably a little more aero due to the new wider toridal shape, but they're a fair bit heavier.
I'm seriously asking cause I haven't made up my mind yet .

After bouncing around the facts for a few years now, I have had to admit that aero always trumps weight.  Now, this would be true even in a time trial over a mtn pass.  (yes, I've run the numbers through the methematical models).

I believe the design of the FLO rims will be more aero than the Williams wheels.

Therefore the faster wheels will be cheaper.

And I say that as a guy that just bought an 808fc front/sub 9 rear combo.

The fastest wheels are the ones you can actually put on your bike.  Flo gets an amazing amount of hype around here for a product that's not out yet.

Sounds like someone might be a little bitter they paid too much for a set of wheels instead of waiting a little. 

I paid $900 for a used set of 2008 Zipp 404's last year and have used them in 6 races, and will use them in 3 more races this year including my A race HIM before Flo's first wheels ever hit the market.

 



2012-01-30 1:18 PM
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"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" - Old English proverb

A start-up business needs a strong marketing campaing to get its name out. And then it needs to follow that up with an actual product. The FLO marketing hype has been swirling on the interwebs for about a year but we've yet to see a firm delivery date and price point. 

2012-01-30 1:18 PM
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tri808 - 2012-01-30 10:12 AM
RVachon - 2012-01-30 6:50 AM
spudone - 2012-01-30 12:43 PM
JeffY - 2012-01-30 9:29 AM

HUSKRFJ - 2012-01-29 9:40 PM I'm excited about these too but haven't decided between these or a set of system85 carbon clinchers from williams, for a couple hundred more.
What is your reasoning for wanting the flows so bad?
They are probably a little more aero due to the new wider toridal shape, but they're a fair bit heavier.
I'm seriously asking cause I haven't made up my mind yet .

After bouncing around the facts for a few years now, I have had to admit that aero always trumps weight.  Now, this would be true even in a time trial over a mtn pass.  (yes, I've run the numbers through the methematical models).

I believe the design of the FLO rims will be more aero than the Williams wheels.

Therefore the faster wheels will be cheaper.

And I say that as a guy that just bought an 808fc front/sub 9 rear combo.

The fastest wheels are the ones you can actually put on your bike.  Flo gets an amazing amount of hype around here for a product that's not out yet.

Sounds like someone might be a little bitter they paid too much for a set of wheels instead of waiting a little. 

I paid $900 for a used set of 2008 Zipp 404's last year and have used them in 6 races, and will use them in 3 more races this year including my A race HIM before Flo's first wheels ever hit the market.

I've never regretted any of my bike-related purchases.  I'm not saying the Flo wheels will be good or bad, but that they're an unknown.  We don't know what the final price point will be, nor do we know how they'll actually perform.

There's a "Flo group buy?" thread on BT here that was started January of last year.  And I think the wheels were announced well before then.

2012-01-30 2:07 PM
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Their website is not complete. They have been hyped for a long time. You can get the williams or the Boyd's for a simliar price. I am sure they will be good but I sure could not wait that long for a bike part. I went through this last year and ended up with the Boyd's over the Williams based on different spokes and hub as at the time it was my understanding the William's and Boyd's have the same supplier of rims
2012-01-30 2:27 PM
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spudone - 2012-01-30 2:18 PM
tri808 - 2012-01-30 10:12 AM
RVachon - 2012-01-30 6:50 AM
spudone - 2012-01-30 12:43 PM
JeffY - 2012-01-30 9:29 AM

HUSKRFJ - 2012-01-29 9:40 PM I'm excited about these too but haven't decided between these or a set of system85 carbon clinchers from williams, for a couple hundred more.
What is your reasoning for wanting the flows so bad?
They are probably a little more aero due to the new wider toridal shape, but they're a fair bit heavier.
I'm seriously asking cause I haven't made up my mind yet .

After bouncing around the facts for a few years now, I have had to admit that aero always trumps weight.  Now, this would be true even in a time trial over a mtn pass.  (yes, I've run the numbers through the methematical models).

I believe the design of the FLO rims will be more aero than the Williams wheels.

Therefore the faster wheels will be cheaper.

And I say that as a guy that just bought an 808fc front/sub 9 rear combo.

The fastest wheels are the ones you can actually put on your bike.  Flo gets an amazing amount of hype around here for a product that's not out yet.

Sounds like someone might be a little bitter they paid too much for a set of wheels instead of waiting a little. 

I paid $900 for a used set of 2008 Zipp 404's last year and have used them in 6 races, and will use them in 3 more races this year including my A race HIM before Flo's first wheels ever hit the market.

I've never regretted any of my bike-related purchases.  I'm not saying the Flo wheels will be good or bad, but that they're an unknown.  We don't know what the final price point will be, nor do we know how they'll actually perform.

There's a "Flo group buy?" thread on BT here that was started January of last year.  And I think the wheels were announced well before then.

Never had an "Aero-Hammock" I suppose

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Forsey - 2012-01-29 6:35 PM

Is it just me or am I getting overly excited to get my hands on a set of these. The excitement is killing me. Release the hounds already. Are they ready yet, how about now. I said now...Just dingle the carrot in front of me. The pain. 

To think of it now, sitting on my trainer with the snow outside, I'm not really sure they will make me any faster. Doesn't matter how hard I pedal I always feel like I'm sitting still. Tomorrow is a new day though.

We appreciate your excitement.  We doing everything in our power to get out wheels to market as soon as possible.  We are finalizing our tests and our factory is just returning from Chinese New Year.  We have some upcoming meetings that should finalize all of the final details we need.

Keep riding that trainer... they aren't that fun but they sure make you faster

Thanks again for your excitement.  We appreciate it. 



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HUSKRFJ - 2012-01-30 3:04 AM
RVachon - 2012-01-30 4:42 AM

HUSKRFJ - 2012-01-29 10:40 PM I'm excited about these too but haven't decided between these or a set of system85 carbon clinchers from williams, for a couple hundred more.
What is your reasoning for wanting the flows so bad?
They are probably a little more aero due to the new wider toridal shape, but they're a fair bit heavier.
I'm seriously asking cause I haven't made up my mind yet .

I think you answered your own question; they're more aero, cheaper, and weight difference will be negligible and unless you plan on doing all your races in a really hilly environment, then weight is hardly a big consideration.

You see, I didnt answer my own question. I restated my questions about the two wheelsets asking for the OP to give his opinion.

Proabably just read your post wrong but to me they (might be more aero), they are (slightly) cheaper, and the weight diference seemed (more than) negligible. I cant find the weights of the comparable flo wheels but the diference came to just under ~500 grams if I remember right which is a fair bit. As you said that is that little important, I have a few grams I could loose in my midsection that would make a much larger diferencce. But again that is why I posed my questions and was looking for other opinions so that is what I got.

Thanks,

Matt

Your question about weight is a good one and we get it a lot.  Our goals when designing our wheels were, high quality, aerodynamics, affordable pricing and of course weight.  I will say that weight wasn't on the top of our list though.  We wanted to focus more on aerodynamics simply because we felt it was more important.  Here's a great article by Tom A. on the subject if you haven't already read it.  Tom does an excellent job of comparing the benefits of aerodynamics vs. weight.   ARTICLE

Regarding our weights, we just had the opportunity to weigh our production model prototypes.  They came in at the following...

Front FLO 60 - 875 grams
Rear FLO 60 - 1061 grams
Rear FLO 60 Clydesdale - 1089 grams
Front FLO 90 - 952 grams
Rear FLO 90 - 1138 grams
Rear FLO 90 Clydesdale - 1170 grams
FLO DISC - 1260 grams
FLO DISC Clydesdale - 1299 grams

If you have any more questions about our products please feel free to ask.  I'll do my best to answer them for you.

Take care, 

2012-01-30 3:37 PM
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Forsey - 2012-01-30 9:23 AM

HUSKRFJ - 2012-01-29 8:40 PM I'm excited about these too but haven't decided between these or a set of system85 carbon clinchers from williams, for a couple hundred more.
What is your reasoning for wanting the flows so bad?
They are probably a little more aero due to the new wider toridal shape, but they're a fair bit heavier.
I'm seriously asking cause I haven't made up my mind yet .

 

I've been looking at some aero wheels for some time. If money wasn't in question I would probably purchase a pair of Zipp 808 firecrest but it is and at $2,500 for a set is a little steep.  At my age I'm not going to win a triathlon anytime soon but I will have a great chance as an AG therefore I'm looking for the best bang for my dollar.

Jon and Chris from FLO have been straight up on every step and process during the production stage and have made it very simple for everyone to understand. The have done a great job trying to connect with the consumer. Plus they are Canadian.

I currently ride a Felt with TTR3 wheels with a suggested weight of 2200 grams. If I recall correctly that a set of the FLO 90's where under 2000 grams, but there website isn't the easiest to get through but I'm sure that will be updated in time. Plus with them being more Aero and lighter then what I have it's still an upgrade for me.

Like I said for me its the best bang for my buck.

At their suggested prices why would you not consider the FLO wheels. 

First and foremost thank you very much for the kind words.  We appreciate them.  I'd like to ask you a question based on one of your comments...

You mentioned our website wasn't easy to get through.  We are always trying to make things as easy as possible and I was wondering if you could share what you found difficult about our site.  If we are missing something we would like to try and make it better.

Thanks again for your comments, 

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Oysterboy - 2012-01-30 9:28 AM Are they still expecting to bring these to market for ~ $800/set?

That is still the estimated pricing.  Final details should be available in the near future.

All the best, 

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RVachon - 2012-01-30 6:50 AM
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JeffY - 2012-01-30 9:29 AM

HUSKRFJ - 2012-01-29 9:40 PM I'm excited about these too but haven't decided between these or a set of system85 carbon clinchers from williams, for a couple hundred more.
What is your reasoning for wanting the flows so bad?
They are probably a little more aero due to the new wider toridal shape, but they're a fair bit heavier.
I'm seriously asking cause I haven't made up my mind yet .

After bouncing around the facts for a few years now, I have had to admit that aero always trumps weight.  Now, this would be true even in a time trial over a mtn pass.  (yes, I've run the numbers through the methematical models).

I believe the design of the FLO rims will be more aero than the Williams wheels.

Therefore the faster wheels will be cheaper.

And I say that as a guy that just bought an 808fc front/sub 9 rear combo.

The fastest wheels are the ones you can actually put on your bike.  Flo gets an amazing amount of hype around here for a product that's not out yet.

Sounds like someone might be a little bitter they paid too much for a set of wheels instead of waiting a little. 

I paid $900 for a used set of 2008 Zipp 404's last year and have used them in 6 races, and will use them in 3 more races this year including my A race HIM before Flo's first wheels ever hit the market.

I've never regretted any of my bike-related purchases.  I'm not saying the Flo wheels will be good or bad, but that they're an unknown.  We don't know what the final price point will be, nor do we know how they'll actually perform.

There's a "Flo group buy?" thread on BT here that was started January of last year.  And I think the wheels were announced well before then.

We have certainly had a factory delay that wasn't in our schedule.  It was either release a poor quality product or wait it out and deliver a high quality product.  We just received our final production prototypes and we are very happy we waited.  We are confident our customers will be happy we waited as well.  

All that said, we fully undertand that the wait has been frustrating for some people.  I know how impatient I can be personally when I'm looking forward to a new product.  Trust me, we wanted to be selling wheels a year ago and not having a factory run with our mold money.  Unfortunately, sometimes you get dealt a bad hand.  We fully support those who have had to purchase other wheels as we are athletes ourselves and realize races can't wait for a product to be released

Take care, 

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