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one hour myotherapy at lunchtime.  elbows in glutes and calves.  Oh sweet agony.  I have bruises.
You are making me think that I need to make an appointment with my Bowen Therapist. The only problem (other than it hurts like hell) is she lectures me on running and riding not being what my body needs.


2013-08-13 7:41 AM
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Can I just do a "fun in Chicago and Milwaukee" report? I don't even want to think about that race again! One more tri this weekend (a sprint) and I can retreat back to my safe zone (running)! Smile

 

My trip was insane. I don't even know where to start.

Um... with your delayed flight and hence your lovely 'welcome' to Chicago??  ;)

So, there I was at 3:00 am on the el. As I floated between  sleep and consciousness, there was a man in the corner of my peripheral. Something about him caused me to take notice. I opened my eyes and slowly turned towards him, seeing the signs posted stating "If you feel unsafe, switch cars" as my gaze shifted ....

TO BE CONTINUED 

Ruh roh.  Cousin to the dude in the car on your run?? 

OMG!!! YES!!! Great guess!!!!! 

WTF?  Most guys go out of their way to "not get caught" - you seem to be a magnet for the few that want to get caught! 

ROTFL!

OK, the new kid doesn't know the backstory on this. What happenned?!
2013-08-13 7:58 AM
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I want to share some awesome training updates.  Feeling mostly good going into my race in a couple weeks

Saturday - I rode 56 miles in 3 hrs 2 mins.  That's an 18.5 mph average on a ride that included nearly 3,000 feet of elevation gain!  I'm pretty stoked about that pace.  My race has that much gain - but it has almost 5,000 feet of loss.  My local rides gains and losses are equal!  

Sunday - I swam (almost .7 miles) at a 1:39 pace without feeling like I was pushing it at all. 

Sunday - later that day - I went for a 6 mile run.  My legs were still pretty sore from the ride the day before, but check out these splits (per mile): 8:47, 8:38, 7:58, 8:01, 7:54, 7:23.... ON SORE LEGS! Did I mention my legs were sore?  :)

My conservative goal for my 1/2 Ironman is 5:30 - My aggressive goal is 5:15 - My "Holy sh*t" I killed it goal is 5:00 hours.  

I'm feeling pretty good about everything right now as those paces put me right on target to hit my conservative goal (even if I add in transitions).  

I'm trying real hard not to factor in any adrenaline boost I'm sure will come - or the negative 2,000 feet of elevation for the bike course...

Since I lived in Denver for 12 years, I am ignoring the elevation factor (6,224 feet vs sea level where I live).  The one thing that scares me is the heat (probably will be 95+ degree's and I haven't trained a day over 85 this year).  Even with the heat and elevation - I am starting to get really, really excited!  As long as I can hold up on the run - things are looking pretty good.  

We shall see.  

Looks like some good training Skrat. Like that negative split run! You did an oly this summer, right? Remind us of your splits on that? Talk to me about your bike pacing strategy for the HIM.
2013-08-13 8:30 AM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
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I want to share some awesome training updates.  Feeling mostly good going into my race in a couple weeks

Saturday - I rode 56 miles in 3 hrs 2 mins.  That's an 18.5 mph average on a ride that included nearly 3,000 feet of elevation gain!  I'm pretty stoked about that pace.  My race has that much gain - but it has almost 5,000 feet of loss.  My local rides gains and losses are equal!  

Sunday - I swam (almost .7 miles) at a 1:39 pace without feeling like I was pushing it at all. 

Sunday - later that day - I went for a 6 mile run.  My legs were still pretty sore from the ride the day before, but check out these splits (per mile): 8:47, 8:38, 7:58, 8:01, 7:54, 7:23.... ON SORE LEGS! Did I mention my legs were sore?  

My conservative goal for my 1/2 Ironman is 5:30 - My aggressive goal is 5:15 - My "Holy sh*t" I killed it goal is 5:00 hours.  

I'm feeling pretty good about everything right now as those paces put me right on target to hit my conservative goal (even if I add in transitions).  

I'm trying real hard not to factor in any adrenaline boost I'm sure will come - or the negative 2,000 feet of elevation for the bike course...

Since I lived in Denver for 12 years, I am ignoring the elevation factor (6,224 feet vs sea level where I live).  The one thing that scares me is the heat (probably will be 95+ degree's and I haven't trained a day over 85 this year).  Even with the heat and elevation - I am starting to get really, really excited!  As long as I can hold up on the run - things are looking pretty good.  

We shall see.  

Sounds like you are ready, Skrat, with plenty of 'hay in the barn'.  How exciting!

2013-08-13 9:01 AM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
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Originally posted by Muskrat37

I want to share some awesome training updates.  Feeling mostly good going into my race in a couple weeks

Saturday - I rode 56 miles in 3 hrs 2 mins.  That's an 18.5 mph average on a ride that included nearly 3,000 feet of elevation gain!  I'm pretty stoked about that pace.  My race has that much gain - but it has almost 5,000 feet of loss.  My local rides gains and losses are equal!  

Sunday - I swam (almost .7 miles) at a 1:39 pace without feeling like I was pushing it at all. 

Sunday - later that day - I went for a 6 mile run.  My legs were still pretty sore from the ride the day before, but check out these splits (per mile): 8:47, 8:38, 7:58, 8:01, 7:54, 7:23.... ON SORE LEGS! Did I mention my legs were sore?  

My conservative goal for my 1/2 Ironman is 5:30 - My aggressive goal is 5:15 - My "Holy sh*t" I killed it goal is 5:00 hours.  

I'm feeling pretty good about everything right now as those paces put me right on target to hit my conservative goal (even if I add in transitions).  

I'm trying real hard not to factor in any adrenaline boost I'm sure will come - or the negative 2,000 feet of elevation for the bike course...

Since I lived in Denver for 12 years, I am ignoring the elevation factor (6,224 feet vs sea level where I live).  The one thing that scares me is the heat (probably will be 95+ degree's and I haven't trained a day over 85 this year).  Even with the heat and elevation - I am starting to get really, really excited!  As long as I can hold up on the run - things are looking pretty good.  

We shall see.  

Looks like some good training Skrat. Like that negative split run! You did an oly this summer, right? Remind us of your splits on that? Talk to me about your bike pacing strategy for the HIM.

I did the Pacific Crest Oly on Jun 30. 

Swim - 29:40 (.99 miles)

T1 - 4:40

Bike - 1:29:30 (28.75 Miles)

T2 - 3:48

Run - 52:16 (6.1 miles)

Official Finish Time:  3:00:12

Very hot - 5,500 feet of elevation - and very sporadic disorganized training leading up to this event.  

2013-08-13 9:25 AM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
Originally posted by Muskrat37
Originally posted by switch
Originally posted by Muskrat37

I want to share some awesome training updates.  Feeling mostly good going into my race in a couple weeks

Saturday - I rode 56 miles in 3 hrs 2 mins.  That's an 18.5 mph average on a ride that included nearly 3,000 feet of elevation gain!  I'm pretty stoked about that pace.  My race has that much gain - but it has almost 5,000 feet of loss.  My local rides gains and losses are equal!  

Sunday - I swam (almost .7 miles) at a 1:39 pace without feeling like I was pushing it at all. 

Sunday - later that day - I went for a 6 mile run.  My legs were still pretty sore from the ride the day before, but check out these splits (per mile): 8:47, 8:38, 7:58, 8:01, 7:54, 7:23.... ON SORE LEGS! Did I mention my legs were sore?  

My conservative goal for my 1/2 Ironman is 5:30 - My aggressive goal is 5:15 - My "Holy sh*t" I killed it goal is 5:00 hours.  

I'm feeling pretty good about everything right now as those paces put me right on target to hit my conservative goal (even if I add in transitions).  

I'm trying real hard not to factor in any adrenaline boost I'm sure will come - or the negative 2,000 feet of elevation for the bike course...

Since I lived in Denver for 12 years, I am ignoring the elevation factor (6,224 feet vs sea level where I live).  The one thing that scares me is the heat (probably will be 95+ degree's and I haven't trained a day over 85 this year).  Even with the heat and elevation - I am starting to get really, really excited!  As long as I can hold up on the run - things are looking pretty good.  

We shall see.  

Looks like some good training Skrat. Like that negative split run! You did an oly this summer, right? Remind us of your splits on that? Talk to me about your bike pacing strategy for the HIM.

I did the Pacific Crest Oly on Jun 30. 

Swim - 29:40 (.99 miles)

T1 - 4:40

Bike - 1:29:30 (28.75 Miles)

T2 - 3:48

Run - 52:16 (6.1 miles)

Official Finish Time:  3:00:12

Very hot - 5,500 feet of elevation - and very sporadic disorganized training leading up to this event.  

How did the elevation affect your performance there? Can you tell between that and the heat?



2013-08-13 9:47 AM
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Originally posted by Muskrat37
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by bcraht
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl
Originally posted by Asalzwed

Can I just do a "fun in Chicago and Milwaukee" report? I don't even want to think about that race again! One more tri this weekend (a sprint) and I can retreat back to my safe zone (running)! Smile

 

My trip was insane. I don't even know where to start.

Um... with your delayed flight and hence your lovely 'welcome' to Chicago?? 

So, there I was at 3:00 am on the el. As I floated between  sleep and consciousness, there was a man in the corner of my peripheral. Something about him caused me to take notice. I opened my eyes and slowly turned towards him, seeing the signs posted stating "If you feel unsafe, switch cars" as my gaze shifted ....

TO BE CONTINUED 

Ruh roh.  Cousin to the dude in the car on your run?? 

OMG!!! YES!!! Great guess!!!!! 

WTF?  Most guys go out of their way to "not get caught" - you seem to be a magnet for the few that want to get caught! 

ROTFL!

OK, the new kid doesn't know the backstory on this. What happenned?!

Salty had a past run in with a perv in a car. Evidently, his cousin rides the el in Chicago around 3:00 am.  Some would state that odds like that preface a lotto ticket purchase

2013-08-13 9:57 AM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)

If you are ever wondering about the value of Race Reports, I submit that they are more useful then I believed in the past. I am trying to get through a few things right now that are not working well with me, so I went back through my old RR's as a review. Well, the RR's themselves were helpful from a solely analytic perspective. What went well, what did not on race day, where I can improve, what does not work, nutrition strategy, etc. But none of that was as welcome as the support that you have shown in the past year+.  In each of your individual ways, you have helped push me a bit or picked me up when I am down. It was a positive reinforcement for me and I thank you all for that.

2013-08-13 9:59 AM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
Originally posted by cdban66
Originally posted by switch
Originally posted by Muskrat37
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by bcraht
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl
Originally posted by Asalzwed

Can I just do a "fun in Chicago and Milwaukee" report? I don't even want to think about that race again! One more tri this weekend (a sprint) and I can retreat back to my safe zone (running)! Smile

 

My trip was insane. I don't even know where to start.

Um... with your delayed flight and hence your lovely 'welcome' to Chicago?? 

So, there I was at 3:00 am on the el. As I floated between  sleep and consciousness, there was a man in the corner of my peripheral. Something about him caused me to take notice. I opened my eyes and slowly turned towards him, seeing the signs posted stating "If you feel unsafe, switch cars" as my gaze shifted ....

TO BE CONTINUED 

Ruh roh.  Cousin to the dude in the car on your run?? 

OMG!!! YES!!! Great guess!!!!! 

WTF?  Most guys go out of their way to "not get caught" - you seem to be a magnet for the few that want to get caught! 

ROTFL!

OK, the new kid doesn't know the backstory on this. What happenned?!

Salty had a past run in with a perv in a car. Evidently, his cousin rides the el in Chicago around 3:00 am.  Some would state that odds like that preface a lotto ticket purchase

Of course, if you're riding the el at 3am you can't be surprised by what you see!
2013-08-13 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by jobaxas one hour myotherapy at lunchtime.  elbows in glutes and calves.  Oh sweet agony.  I have bruises.
You are making me think that I need to make an appointment with my Bowen Therapist. The only problem (other than it hurts like hell) is she lectures me on running and riding not being what my body needs.

My myotherapist eludes to the fact that running and riding are  hard on the body but he also says he knows I won't quit doing it. He is also not thrilled about aero position on the bike Surprised

2013-08-13 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by cdban66

If you are ever wondering about the value of Race Reports, I submit that they are more useful then I believed in the past. I am trying to get through a few things right now that are not working well with me, so I went back through my old RR's as a review. Well, the RR's themselves were helpful from a solely analytic perspective. What went well, what did not on race day, where I can improve, what does not work, nutrition strategy, etc. But none of that was as welcome as the support that you have shown in the past year+.  In each of your individual ways, you have helped push me a bit or picked me up when I am down. It was a positive reinforcement for me and I thank you all for that.

That's awesome - Not sure that I am in that group (as I haven't commented on your race reports).  I am very analytical, though. I will take more time to write up my race reports in the future.  Thanks for the pointer.



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Originally posted by cdban66

If you are ever wondering about the value of Race Reports, I submit that they are more useful then I believed in the past. I am trying to get through a few things right now that are not working well with me, so I went back through my old RR's as a review. Well, the RR's themselves were helpful from a solely analytic perspective. What went well, what did not on race day, where I can improve, what does not work, nutrition strategy, etc. But none of that was as welcome as the support that you have shown in the past year+.  In each of your individual ways, you have helped push me a bit or picked me up when I am down. It was a positive reinforcement for me and I thank you all for that.

I also find that reading race reports of prospective races is VERY helpful. I read several (okay all) of the St. George RR yesterday and the variety of reports really helps give an idea of the course challenges.



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Originally posted by cdban66

If you are ever wondering about the value of Race Reports, I submit that they are more useful then I believed in the past. I am trying to get through a few things right now that are not working well with me, so I went back through my old RR's as a review. Well, the RR's themselves were helpful from a solely analytic perspective. What went well, what did not on race day, where I can improve, what does not work, nutrition strategy, etc. But none of that was as welcome as the support that you have shown in the past year+.  In each of your individual ways, you have helped push me a bit or picked me up when I am down. It was a positive reinforcement for me and I thank you all for that.

You put into words what I've been thinking, and you said it much more eloquently than I would have been able to, especially regarding the support.  I know it's been a huge help for me at various times - and I can only hope I've been able to do the same for others on here as well.  

I find not only my own race reports, but other reports from the same race to be helpful, or even the RRs for a race that I'm contemplating.  It's also been a pretty good learning tool - though mainly for what NOT to do so far. 

2013-08-13 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by Muskrat37
Originally posted by switch
Originally posted by Muskrat37

I want to share some awesome training updates.  Feeling mostly good going into my race in a couple weeks

Saturday - I rode 56 miles in 3 hrs 2 mins.  That's an 18.5 mph average on a ride that included nearly 3,000 feet of elevation gain!  I'm pretty stoked about that pace.  My race has that much gain - but it has almost 5,000 feet of loss.  My local rides gains and losses are equal!  

Sunday - I swam (almost .7 miles) at a 1:39 pace without feeling like I was pushing it at all. 

Sunday - later that day - I went for a 6 mile run.  My legs were still pretty sore from the ride the day before, but check out these splits (per mile): 8:47, 8:38, 7:58, 8:01, 7:54, 7:23.... ON SORE LEGS! Did I mention my legs were sore?  

My conservative goal for my 1/2 Ironman is 5:30 - My aggressive goal is 5:15 - My "Holy sh*t" I killed it goal is 5:00 hours.  

I'm feeling pretty good about everything right now as those paces put me right on target to hit my conservative goal (even if I add in transitions).  

I'm trying real hard not to factor in any adrenaline boost I'm sure will come - or the negative 2,000 feet of elevation for the bike course...

Since I lived in Denver for 12 years, I am ignoring the elevation factor (6,224 feet vs sea level where I live).  The one thing that scares me is the heat (probably will be 95+ degree's and I haven't trained a day over 85 this year).  Even with the heat and elevation - I am starting to get really, really excited!  As long as I can hold up on the run - things are looking pretty good.  

We shall see.  

Looks like some good training Skrat. Like that negative split run! You did an oly this summer, right? Remind us of your splits on that? Talk to me about your bike pacing strategy for the HIM.

I did the Pacific Crest Oly on Jun 30. 

Swim - 29:40 (.99 miles)

T1 - 4:40

Bike - 1:29:30 (28.75 Miles)

T2 - 3:48

Run - 52:16 (6.1 miles)

Official Finish Time:  3:00:12

Very hot - 5,500 feet of elevation - and very sporadic disorganized training leading up to this event.  

How did the elevation affect your performance there? Can you tell between that and the heat?

When I race at elevation, my heart rate and breathing seem to be consistent with training / racing at sea level.  

However, my muscles (especially my quads) seem to fatigue much faster, and I notice that I drink about 3 times the water I normally do when it is over 85 degrees.  I really, really feel it on the run.  

Based on my bodies reaction, combined with the fact I lived in Denver for 12 years, (and I just remembered that I was born, and lived the first 8 years of my life at about about 4,500 feet of elevation) I'm assuming that the bigger issue is the heat.  Does that sound like a safe assumption?  If not - I may have to start training once per week in the mountains.  No way for me to really prepare for the heat - as we just don't get that kind of heat in my neck of the woods.  

2013-08-13 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by cdban66

If you are ever wondering about the value of Race Reports, I submit that they are more useful then I believed in the past. I am trying to get through a few things right now that are not working well with me, so I went back through my old RR's as a review. Well, the RR's themselves were helpful from a solely analytic perspective. What went well, what did not on race day, where I can improve, what does not work, nutrition strategy, etc. But none of that was as welcome as the support that you have shown in the past year+.  In each of your individual ways, you have helped push me a bit or picked me up when I am down. It was a positive reinforcement for me and I thank you all for that.

I also find that reading race reports of prospective races is VERY helpful. I read several (okay all) of the St. George RR yesterday and the variety of reports really helps give an idea of the course challenges.

Find Bryancd's RR about St George last year.  He changed my style of riding the bike and helped me learn what a mental candy azz I am. A LOT of wind at that race, really brutal conditions and his approach was spot on.

2013-08-13 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by Muskrat37
Originally posted by brigby1
Originally posted by Muskrat37
Originally posted by switch
Originally posted by Muskrat37

I want to share some awesome training updates.  Feeling mostly good going into my race in a couple weeks

Saturday - I rode 56 miles in 3 hrs 2 mins.  That's an 18.5 mph average on a ride that included nearly 3,000 feet of elevation gain!  I'm pretty stoked about that pace.  My race has that much gain - but it has almost 5,000 feet of loss.  My local rides gains and losses are equal!  

Sunday - I swam (almost .7 miles) at a 1:39 pace without feeling like I was pushing it at all. 

Sunday - later that day - I went for a 6 mile run.  My legs were still pretty sore from the ride the day before, but check out these splits (per mile): 8:47, 8:38, 7:58, 8:01, 7:54, 7:23.... ON SORE LEGS! Did I mention my legs were sore?  

My conservative goal for my 1/2 Ironman is 5:30 - My aggressive goal is 5:15 - My "Holy sh*t" I killed it goal is 5:00 hours.  

I'm feeling pretty good about everything right now as those paces put me right on target to hit my conservative goal (even if I add in transitions).  

I'm trying real hard not to factor in any adrenaline boost I'm sure will come - or the negative 2,000 feet of elevation for the bike course...

Since I lived in Denver for 12 years, I am ignoring the elevation factor (6,224 feet vs sea level where I live).  The one thing that scares me is the heat (probably will be 95+ degree's and I haven't trained a day over 85 this year).  Even with the heat and elevation - I am starting to get really, really excited!  As long as I can hold up on the run - things are looking pretty good.  

We shall see.  

Looks like some good training Skrat. Like that negative split run! You did an oly this summer, right? Remind us of your splits on that? Talk to me about your bike pacing strategy for the HIM.

I did the Pacific Crest Oly on Jun 30. 

Swim - 29:40 (.99 miles)

T1 - 4:40

Bike - 1:29:30 (28.75 Miles)

T2 - 3:48

Run - 52:16 (6.1 miles)

Official Finish Time:  3:00:12

Very hot - 5,500 feet of elevation - and very sporadic disorganized training leading up to this event.  

How did the elevation affect your performance there? Can you tell between that and the heat?

When I race at elevation, my heart rate and breathing seem to be consistent with training / racing at sea level.  

However, my muscles (especially my quads) seem to fatigue much faster, and I notice that I drink about 3 times the water I normally do when it is over 85 degrees.  I really, really feel it on the run.  

Based on my bodies reaction, combined with the fact I lived in Denver for 12 years, (and I just remembered that I was born, and lived the first 8 years of my life at about about 4,500 feet of elevation) I'm assuming that the bigger issue is the heat.  Does that sound like a safe assumption?  If not - I may have to start training once per week in the mountains.  No way for me to really prepare for the heat - as we just don't get that kind of heat in my neck of the woods.  

I grew up in Denver but after living in Omaha for 6 years I had to re-acclimate to the altitude when we moved to NM.  Likewise, my son, who also grew up in Denver, now lives in SoCal and struggles his first few days at altitude. YMMV but I wouldn't be so quick to discount the effect of elevation. Cool



2013-08-13 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by cdban66
Originally posted by rrrunner
Originally posted by cdban66

If you are ever wondering about the value of Race Reports, I submit that they are more useful then I believed in the past. I am trying to get through a few things right now that are not working well with me, so I went back through my old RR's as a review. Well, the RR's themselves were helpful from a solely analytic perspective. What went well, what did not on race day, where I can improve, what does not work, nutrition strategy, etc. But none of that was as welcome as the support that you have shown in the past year+.  In each of your individual ways, you have helped push me a bit or picked me up when I am down. It was a positive reinforcement for me and I thank you all for that.

I also find that reading race reports of prospective races is VERY helpful. I read several (okay all) of the St. George RR yesterday and the variety of reports really helps give an idea of the course challenges.

Find Bryancd's RR about St George last year.  He changed my style of riding the bike and helped me learn what a mental candy azz I am. A LOT of wind at that race, really brutal conditions and his approach was spot on.

Reading various RR from St George the main take-away is that the conditions are the X-factor more than the hilly ride and run. The weather could be crazy stoopid cold, like 2012, or crazy stoopid hot and mix in crazy wind with either of those extremes. I still think about doing it, but I remembered last night that I am looking at all of these HIMs just DAYS after saying I would try to race closer to home in 2014 Frown

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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
Originally posted by rrrunner 

Reading various RR from St George the main take-away is that the conditions are the X-factor more than the hilly ride and run. The weather could be crazy stoopid cold, like 2012, or crazy stoopid hot and mix in crazy wind with either of those extremes. I still think about doing it, but I remembered last night that I am looking at all of these HIMs just DAYS after saying I would try to race closer to home in 2014 Frown

Yeah, it kinda set my mind right on goal setting if I do anything longer than a sprint. Sprints you can sort of get away with time oriented goals, but it seems to me that longer races require a somewhat different way of thinking and planning. 

Race close to home, it makes the sleeping arrangements much easier. Or, race in SW Florida and you can sleep in my kid's empty room

2013-08-13 10:58 AM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
Originally posted by rrrunner
Originally posted by Muskrat37
Originally posted by brigby1
Originally posted by Muskrat37
Originally posted by switch
Originally posted by Muskrat37

I want to share some awesome training updates.  Feeling mostly good going into my race in a couple weeks

Saturday - I rode 56 miles in 3 hrs 2 mins.  That's an 18.5 mph average on a ride that included nearly 3,000 feet of elevation gain!  I'm pretty stoked about that pace.  My race has that much gain - but it has almost 5,000 feet of loss.  My local rides gains and losses are equal!  

Sunday - I swam (almost .7 miles) at a 1:39 pace without feeling like I was pushing it at all. 

Sunday - later that day - I went for a 6 mile run.  My legs were still pretty sore from the ride the day before, but check out these splits (per mile): 8:47, 8:38, 7:58, 8:01, 7:54, 7:23.... ON SORE LEGS! Did I mention my legs were sore?  

My conservative goal for my 1/2 Ironman is 5:30 - My aggressive goal is 5:15 - My "Holy sh*t" I killed it goal is 5:00 hours.  

I'm feeling pretty good about everything right now as those paces put me right on target to hit my conservative goal (even if I add in transitions).  

I'm trying real hard not to factor in any adrenaline boost I'm sure will come - or the negative 2,000 feet of elevation for the bike course...

Since I lived in Denver for 12 years, I am ignoring the elevation factor (6,224 feet vs sea level where I live).  The one thing that scares me is the heat (probably will be 95+ degree's and I haven't trained a day over 85 this year).  Even with the heat and elevation - I am starting to get really, really excited!  As long as I can hold up on the run - things are looking pretty good.  

We shall see.  

Looks like some good training Skrat. Like that negative split run! You did an oly this summer, right? Remind us of your splits on that? Talk to me about your bike pacing strategy for the HIM.

I did the Pacific Crest Oly on Jun 30. 

Swim - 29:40 (.99 miles)

T1 - 4:40

Bike - 1:29:30 (28.75 Miles)

T2 - 3:48

Run - 52:16 (6.1 miles)

Official Finish Time:  3:00:12

Very hot - 5,500 feet of elevation - and very sporadic disorganized training leading up to this event.  

How did the elevation affect your performance there? Can you tell between that and the heat?

When I race at elevation, my heart rate and breathing seem to be consistent with training / racing at sea level.  

However, my muscles (especially my quads) seem to fatigue much faster, and I notice that I drink about 3 times the water I normally do when it is over 85 degrees.  I really, really feel it on the run.  

Based on my bodies reaction, combined with the fact I lived in Denver for 12 years, (and I just remembered that I was born, and lived the first 8 years of my life at about about 4,500 feet of elevation) I'm assuming that the bigger issue is the heat.  Does that sound like a safe assumption?  If not - I may have to start training once per week in the mountains.  No way for me to really prepare for the heat - as we just don't get that kind of heat in my neck of the woods.  

I grew up in Denver but after living in Omaha for 6 years I had to re-acclimate to the altitude when we moved to NM.  Likewise, my son, who also grew up in Denver, now lives in SoCal and struggles his first few days at altitude. YMMV but I wouldn't be so quick to discount the effect of elevation. Cool

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It varies by person, but being at elevation before doesn't mean it sticks with you for life or anything. Any time you change locations like that you're going to acclimate to the new one and lose some from the old. So there will be some getting used to the elevation again. How much depends on the individual and how long ahead of time you get (and stay) there. Going up to elevation for some training sessions doesn't really help with acclimation for race day, but can help some in learning how it affects you and how fast you might acclimate if the stay is extended. I think it's the swim that's most affected due to the breathing pattern necessity of being in the water.

Having said that, I also think the heat will be the bigger factor. I struggle with that too and those temps would be killer. Since everything discussed is just slowing you down, then you might be ok for the bike & run just thinking of it as an extra hot day as the response to each isn't really going to be that different. Swimming will have the addition of maybe needing to alter your breathing pattern so that you are doing so a bit more frequently. You're the swimmer, so you'll likely pick that up well since you know it's there.

2013-08-13 11:03 AM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
Originally posted by switch
Originally posted by Muskrat37
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by bcraht
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl
Originally posted by Asalzwed

Can I just do a "fun in Chicago and Milwaukee" report? I don't even want to think about that race again! One more tri this weekend (a sprint) and I can retreat back to my safe zone (running)! Smile

 

My trip was insane. I don't even know where to start.

Um... with your delayed flight and hence your lovely 'welcome' to Chicago?? 

So, there I was at 3:00 am on the el. As I floated between  sleep and consciousness, there was a man in the corner of my peripheral. Something about him caused me to take notice. I opened my eyes and slowly turned towards him, seeing the signs posted stating "If you feel unsafe, switch cars" as my gaze shifted ....

TO BE CONTINUED 

Ruh roh.  Cousin to the dude in the car on your run?? 

OMG!!! YES!!! Great guess!!!!! 

WTF?  Most guys go out of their way to "not get caught" - you seem to be a magnet for the few that want to get caught! 

ROTFL!

OK, the new kid doesn't know the backstory on this. What happenned?!

Ah yes, I forgot to tell you about that. You all up to speed now?

2013-08-13 11:06 AM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
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Originally posted by cdban66

If you are ever wondering about the value of Race Reports, I submit that they are more useful then I believed in the past. I am trying to get through a few things right now that are not working well with me, so I went back through my old RR's as a review. Well, the RR's themselves were helpful from a solely analytic perspective. What went well, what did not on race day, where I can improve, what does not work, nutrition strategy, etc. But none of that was as welcome as the support that you have shown in the past year+.  In each of your individual ways, you have helped push me a bit or picked me up when I am down. It was a positive reinforcement for me and I thank you all for that.

You put into words what I've been thinking, and you said it much more eloquently than I would have been able to, especially regarding the support.  I know it's been a huge help for me at various times - and I can only hope I've been able to do the same for others on here as well.  

I find not only my own race reports, but other reports from the same race to be helpful, or even the RRs for a race that I'm contemplating.  It's also been a pretty good learning tool - though mainly for what NOT to do so far. 

I agree, reading old race reports and reading others' help me figure out what I should or should not be doing. My problem is that even after I figure that out, I often times don't head the lessons. I've really got to work on that! The support found here is amazing and I have often thought while racing that I can't dog it because I have a RR I have to share and don't want to be embarrassed! That's great motivation.


2013-08-13 11:07 AM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by switch
Originally posted by Muskrat37
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by bcraht
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl
Originally posted by Asalzwed

Can I just do a "fun in Chicago and Milwaukee" report? I don't even want to think about that race again! One more tri this weekend (a sprint) and I can retreat back to my safe zone (running)! Smile

 

My trip was insane. I don't even know where to start.

Um... with your delayed flight and hence your lovely 'welcome' to Chicago?? 

So, there I was at 3:00 am on the el. As I floated between  sleep and consciousness, there was a man in the corner of my peripheral. Something about him caused me to take notice. I opened my eyes and slowly turned towards him, seeing the signs posted stating "If you feel unsafe, switch cars" as my gaze shifted ....

TO BE CONTINUED 

Ruh roh.  Cousin to the dude in the car on your run?? 

OMG!!! YES!!! Great guess!!!!! 

WTF?  Most guys go out of their way to "not get caught" - you seem to be a magnet for the few that want to get caught! 

ROTFL!

OK, the new kid doesn't know the backstory on this. What happenned?!

Ah yes, I forgot to tell you about that. You all up to speed now?

Do we have to go back there? It hurts me just a little that this involves my species (not gender, we are an altogether different species at times).

2013-08-13 11:13 AM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
Originally posted by cdban66
Originally posted by rrrunner 

Reading various RR from St George the main take-away is that the conditions are the X-factor more than the hilly ride and run. The weather could be crazy stoopid cold, like 2012, or crazy stoopid hot and mix in crazy wind with either of those extremes. I still think about doing it, but I remembered last night that I am looking at all of these HIMs just DAYS after saying I would try to race closer to home in 2014 Frown

Yeah, it kinda set my mind right on goal setting if I do anything longer than a sprint. Sprints you can sort of get away with time oriented goals, but it seems to me that longer races require a somewhat different way of thinking and planning. 

Race close to home, it makes the sleeping arrangements much easier. Or, race in SW Florida and you can sleep in my kid's empty room

HA! I like it!

DH put the brakes on Monterrey and Galveston. When we were watching the Tour of Utah they mentioned the St George 70.3 and we got to thinking about that one. He mentioned going up there to "preview" the course.

I think he and I are finding that middle ground. He knows how much I love to race (including travel races) and I know that he wants to do some travel that doesn't inlcude a race.

2013-08-13 11:41 AM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)

Alright, quite frankly I was a little embarrassed to publish this but SALTY-SHYTE-SHOW

 

Also, for those of you that don't know, I GOT THE JOB!

2013-08-13 11:44 AM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
Originally posted by Asalzwed

Alright, quite frankly I was a little embarrassed to publish this but SALTY-SHYTE-SHOW

 

Also, for those of you that don't know, I GOT THE JOB!

WooHoo!!!!!!!! Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!

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