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2013-01-06 5:09 PM
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ligersandtions - 2013-01-06 4:46 PM

Long-winded question for you cycling gurus:

So I've been working through Jorge's program on TrainerRoad (it's the seven week version....seems somewhat different than the one he has posted on BT).  I did the 8 minute FTP test for my first ride and based my following rides on that.  I re-tested today and made very little improvement (3W).  I'm feeling pretty disappointed that I didn't see any real results from this, but I guess I don't know if a) I'm just being hard on myself, b) if maybe the TR program isn't as good at the BT one, or c) if seven weeks is just not enough to see significant improvements.

I'm not sure how accurate TR's virtual power is to what my actual power would be (also, I'm somewhat convinced that the power I see on the trainer is less than what I'd see on the street as a 15mph average on the trainer feels like it's kicking my , but 20mph average on the street feels okay....).

Anyways, enough rambling from me -- just curious what others' thoughts are.  Thanks!

Nicole

Couple of things.

Unless you are closely controlling the tension of your trainer and the pressure of your tire, there will be slight differences in power. This could account for some of it.

Some would argue that an 8min test is not accurate enough to establish an FTP. Jorge use to recommend a 5 and 20min test to better estimate.

It is very possible your ability to generate short power has not improved but your ability to sustain power has. The test you did will not show the later. The later is the one that really counts.

You could have had an off day when you tested today. Maybe you left some in the tank. Maybe you have accumulated fatigue.

If you did the program and you felt some of those workouts were tough, chances are you did improve.

 



2013-01-06 6:51 PM
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Supposed to be getting to Vancouver tonight but we missed our connection in Toronto because of weather and now we can't get there until late tomorrow night!!!
2013-01-06 6:52 PM
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axteraa - 2013-01-06 6:51 PMSupposed to be getting to Vancouver tonight but we missed our connection in Toronto because of weather and now we can't get there until late tomorrow night!!!
Oh no!!! What are you doing in Vancouver?
2013-01-06 6:54 PM
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Asalzwed - 2013-01-05 6:50 PM Got my first 20-miler of my plan in today. Really happy with how this training cycle is going and really happy that I'll be going over 20 about 5 more times before the marathon.
What marathon are you training for? I'm trying to get ready for the 26.2 Run wth Donna on Feb 17 in Jacksonville.
The Boston Marathon. I've heard run with Donna is a good one. That's coming up. You ready?
2013-01-06 6:54 PM
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axteraa - 2013-01-06 6:51 PM Supposed to be getting to Vancouver tonight but we missed our connection in Toronto because of weather and now we can't get there until late tomorrow night!!!

The upside is you get to spend time in Toronto !

I tried :-).

2013-01-06 6:55 PM
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Asalzwed - 2013-01-06 8:52 PM
axteraa - 2013-01-06 6:51 PMSupposed to be getting to Vancouver tonight but we missed our connection in Toronto because of weather and now we can't get there until late tomorrow night!!!
Oh no!!! What are you doing in Vancouver?

I'll be there taking training for work.  My wife is going tomorrow but now she will get there before me!



2013-01-06 6:57 PM
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marcag - 2013-01-06 8:54 PM

axteraa - 2013-01-06 6:51 PM Supposed to be getting to Vancouver tonight but we missed our connection in Toronto because of weather and now we can't get there until late tomorrow night!!!

The upside is you get to spend time in Toronto !

I tried :-).

Fail

I was here a couple of months ago, I'd rather Vancouver!

2013-01-06 7:35 PM
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Asalzwed - 2013-01-06 7:52 PM
axteraa - 2013-01-06 6:51 PMSupposed to be getting to Vancouver tonight but we missed our connection in Toronto because of weather and now we can't get there until late tomorrow night!!!
Oh no!!! What are you doing in Vancouver?

Wearing his wife's running skirt shorts.

2013-01-07 5:58 AM
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2013-01-07 6:00 AM
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bdesotell - 2013-01-03 2:04 PM

2013 RACES:  TBD....inspire me! (but only in the southeast

Brian - where are you in the southeast? We have a pretty good group shaping up for Knoxville Rev3. I'll be doing the Olympic distance as I have decided to forego any HIMs prior to IMLP this year. I am in atlanta and should have a host of other races lined up around the region.

Rusty - I'm not far from you: about 5 hours south in Tallahassee.  Rev3 Knoxville sounds awesome, but not sure if 8+ hours in the car is on the agenda again for the family this year.  We did it last year when traveling to Wilmington for the B2B half, and though we all had a great time, it makes for a long trip.....sigh.  Please let me know what other races you line up.

Brian

2013-01-07 6:01 AM
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Fred D - 2013-01-07 6:58 AM How goes everyone's training in January? I'm struggling to get my trainer tire to work, but swimming is coming along 'swimmingly' so to speak. Hoping to run this week. Everyone else?

I am focused on running and it has been good. I hope to see 95 running miles this month, which I think would be my max yet. It is but one of my objectives.



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axteraa - 2013-01-04 3:56 AM

FYI, the list of names that Rusty posted wouldn't work for me.  The following seems to be ok.

SBR Utopia: 

 

 Asalzwed Adrienne (Salty) KateTri1 Kate
 axteraa Arend kcarroll Kim
 brigby1 Ben Keaulani Lani
 bzgl40 Kim Kenott Ken
 Catwoman Rene KeriKadi Keri
 cdban66 Chris ligersandtions Nicole
 cordova78 Chris marcag Marc
 crazylife99 Jen mndymond Melissa
 Experior Michael ratherbeswimming Elaine
 GoFaster Neil reecealan Reece
 Goosedog Marshall riorio Sally
 Gsmacleod Shane rymac Ryan
 heykev Kev spudone Mark
 itsallrelative_Maine Jennifer TankBoy Rusty
 k9car363 Scott tri808 Jason
 KansasMom Felicia TriAya YANTI
 bdesotell Brian dustytrails Linda
    

 

For those (like me) who need further instruction - plagiarized from Tom (TSimone) in the Fred D III group:

To add friends you go to your training log and on the left side of the screen you should see "Friends" under your Progress.  Just click the + sign and you can copy and paste names from the roster I posted.  If you're going to add several names it's easiest to open 2 browser tabs and use one to copy from and the other to paste into.  Then just save when done.

To make your log semi private, go to settings at the top, then training log settings.  From there you'll see the privacy options in the dropdown for Training Log Privacy.


- Brian
 

2013-01-07 6:11 AM
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bdesotell - 2013-01-03 2:04 PM

2013 RACES:  TBD....inspire me! (but only in the southeast

If you are in the Fl area, I'll throw out Rev3 Venice. It is an HM and is in a beautiful area. I do admit, I am biased.

I am indeed in the FL area, though it's north Florida, and Rev3 Venice does sound appealing. I like the distance and location...this one is on the short list for sure.

- Brian

2013-01-07 6:17 AM
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ChrisM - 2013-01-04 6:43 PM

Hey kiddies, jumping back into the pond after the winter break...

Name: Chris

 

2013 RACES:  Planned and potential

March 3 - Desert Triathlon
March 8 - Solvang Century
March 30, 2013 - Calif. 70.3
April 20 - Rage in the Sage
May 4 - Wildflower 70.3
May 13 - Alcatraz Sharkfest
May 25 - Ojai Century
June 9 - Redondo Beach sprint
June 23 - Breath of Life Olympic
July 14 - June Lake Olympic
Aug 2 - Dwight Crum Pier to Pier
August 25, 2013 - IM Canada
October 27, 2013 - Miami 70.3  ?

 

Welcome back Chris!...that is one heck of a planned race schedule!

- Brian



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2013-01-07 6:23 AM
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Fred D - 2013-01-07 7:58 AM How goes everyone's training in January? I'm struggling to get my trainer tire to work, but swimming is coming along 'swimmingly' so to speak. Hoping to run this week. Everyone else?

Going well for me, just a bit of an issue with shin splints in my left leg.  It's nothing bad and I'm keeping a close eye on it - lots of stretching.

What's the issue with the trainer tire?

2013-01-07 6:24 AM
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TankBoy - 2013-01-06 9:35 PM
Asalzwed - 2013-01-06 7:52 PM
axteraa - 2013-01-06 6:51 PMSupposed to be getting to Vancouver tonight but we missed our connection in Toronto because of weather and now we can't get there until late tomorrow night!!!
Oh no!!! What are you doing in Vancouver?

Wearing his wife's running skirt shorts.

I would wear them if it got me there sooner!



2013-01-07 6:31 AM
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Fred D - 2013-01-07 6:58 AM How goes everyone's training in January? I'm struggling to get my trainer tire to work, but swimming is coming along 'swimmingly' so to speak. Hoping to run this week. Everyone else?

Fred - good to hear from you! I started the train moving in January and right off the bat, came down with a fever and chest congestion at the end of last week! Took all weekend in bed to recover and I'm still a bit under the weather. The good news is I watched A LOT of football.  Going to try for a run this evening and see how it goes. Was planning on getting back on the bike trainer this week, but getting sick has pushed this back a few days, especially since I typically ride the trainer in the morning and run in the evenings. And yes, I still find it hard just to drive by the pool this time of year ;)

- Brian

2013-01-07 7:13 AM
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Fred D - 2013-01-07 5:58 AM How goes everyone's training in January? I'm struggling to get my trainer tire to work, but swimming is coming along 'swimmingly' so to speak. Hoping to run this week. Everyone else?
Hey, Fred. I am trying to build more consistency on the trainer and in the pool (once it opens back up this week, I hope) in January. My right piriformis started aching yesterday, so I looked at the video you have linked on your training log. Thanks for having that there. I hope you get the trainer tire sorted out.
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brigby1 - 2013-01-06 10:16 AM

And thanks! Does the typical budget go up to 200? I've been looking into back-calculating power for the events some and it seems the focus is more on IM with this.

Muskoka I did 194 and ran well. I think it depends on the course as well. TSS is based off NP so a hilly course will generate more TSS for me because I'm heavy. As well it's easier to get to 200 on a 3hr course than 2.5hr

Doing 180TSS on a 2.5hr course is 85% of FTP.  200TSS on that same course is getting close to 90% which is too much for me anyways.

That will be interesting to look into for the hillier courses, as I tend to like those even though I'm also heavier (175-180 or 80-82 kg). I've seen it proposed that when one is a stronger runner the TSS for the ride can go up higher and still expect to run well. Otherwise keep it down some if one is not. But balancing out the bike taking longer due to hills and/or extra length (like Muskoka) is an interesting thought.

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Fred D - 2013-01-07 5:58 AM How goes everyone's training in January? I'm struggling to get my trainer tire to work, but swimming is coming along 'swimmingly' so to speak. Hoping to run this week. Everyone else?

So far have been able to maintain swim volume, but have better quality and plan in place to get more in. Biking & running are coming along.

What's going on with the trainer tire?

2013-01-07 8:33 AM
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axteraa - 2013-01-06 7:23 AM

Fred D - 2013-01-07 7:58 AM How goes everyone's training in January? I'm struggling to get my trainer tire to work, but swimming is coming along 'swimmingly' so to speak. Hoping to run this week. Everyone else?

Going well for me, just a bit of an issue with shin splints in my left leg.  It's nothing bad and I'm keeping a close eye on it - lots of stretching.

What's the issue with the trainer tire?

Hey Arend - for the shin splints, a friend of mine pointed me to ART - specifically for shin splints, you take a tennis ball and roll along the outside of the shin bone (so for the left leg, you would be rolling on the left side of the shin bone, right where it starts to get meaty) as much as you can stand - this made a world of different for me. If you are interested, I'll try to scare up the link to the site.



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itsallrelative_Maine - 2013-01-07 10:33 AM

Hey Arend - for the shin splints, a friend of mine pointed me to ART - specifically for shin splints, you take a tennis ball and roll along the outside of the shin bone (so for the left leg, you would be rolling on the left side of the shin bone, right where it starts to get meaty) as much as you can stand - this made a world of different for me. If you are interested, I'll try to scare up the link to the site.

Thanks!  Were you getting the shin splints along the outside?  Mine is along the inside.

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axteraa - 2013-01-07 10:40 PM
itsallrelative_Maine - 2013-01-07 10:33 AM

Hey Arend - for the shin splints, a friend of mine pointed me to ART - specifically for shin splints, you take a tennis ball and roll along the outside of the shin bone (so for the left leg, you would be rolling on the left side of the shin bone, right where it starts to get meaty) as much as you can stand - this made a world of different for me. If you are interested, I'll try to scare up the link to the site.

Thanks!  Were you getting the shin splints along the outside?  Mine is along the inside.

I had ones along the inside (and remember that "shin splints" is a generic term for any kind of shin pain ... thus it's a symptom and you're best served finding the cause blah blah blah).

While I pulled back from running a bit (and subbed in aquajogging) to heal, I had a PT do what she termed was a myofascial release on them--sent me screaming but I felt that it really helped.

Basically she took a blunt edge (it looked like the opposite side of a butter knife, frankly) and really ground it down those sides of my shinbone.

It makes me howl just thinking of it.

2013-01-07 8:49 AM
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TriAya - 2013-01-07 10:45 AM
axteraa - 2013-01-07 10:40 PM
itsallrelative_Maine - 2013-01-07 10:33 AM

Hey Arend - for the shin splints, a friend of mine pointed me to ART - specifically for shin splints, you take a tennis ball and roll along the outside of the shin bone (so for the left leg, you would be rolling on the left side of the shin bone, right where it starts to get meaty) as much as you can stand - this made a world of different for me. If you are interested, I'll try to scare up the link to the site.

Thanks!  Were you getting the shin splints along the outside?  Mine is along the inside.

I had ones along the inside (and remember that "shin splints" is a generic term for any kind of shin pain ... thus it's a symptom and you're best served finding the cause blah blah blah).

While I pulled back from running a bit (and subbed in aquajogging) to heal, I had a PT do what she termed was a myofascial release on them--sent me screaming but I felt that it really helped.

Basically she took a blunt edge (it looked like the opposite side of a butter knife, frankly) and really ground it down those sides of my shinbone.

It makes me howl just thinking of it.

Umm, ouch???

The cause has been diagnosed as a tight Soleus so I've been doing lots of stretching of that and it seems to be helping.

2013-01-07 8:51 AM
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axteraa - 2013-01-07 7:49 AM

Umm, ouch???

The cause has been diagnosed as a tight Soleus so I've been doing lots of stretching of that and it seems to be helping.

Try some foam rolling as well.  I get a really tight Soleus and honestly ART or a good massage will fix you up in a jiff. 

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