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 2013-04-10 10:20 AM in reply to: #4694631 |
Expert  2180    Boise, Idaho |  Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Threadpowerman - 2013-04-10 9:02 AM jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 8:55 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:26 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:23 AM Looks as though federal background checks will get a positive vote in the senate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/10/deal-reached-on-bac... And they'll be a complete waste of time without medical history to check for possible mental issues. Even then their worth is dubious....go check the stats on how many guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Another "feel good" regulation that won't change a single thing the proponents think it will. That's exactly why we need to close the Gun Show Loop Hole. So the bad guys CAN'T buy them legally. This thing is gonna pass the Senate. Along party line or not-who cares. The 'nayes' will have to answer to their voters back home. The NRA and gun lobbys are not the only players with money to spend these days. Our elected officials want nothing but to be our RE-elected officials. They are gonna move to where the money is; if that's Gabby Giffords moeny, So Be It. You are kidding right? How exactly does a criminal buy a gun "legally". Can you explain the "Gun Show Loop Hole"? Power, This is a HOT BUTTON item for you, I get that. And that's great. You're 'concerned' that ANY Gun Control measure is simply a ruse to erode your 2A rights. I get that, too. What I really don't understand is that for years COJ and any political thread has been filled with pages..PAGES of comments regarding the INability for our country to enact even the most benign law. So why NOW do you believe out govt. is suddenly going to move with lightening fast speed and resolve, to overnight pass sweeping gun control legislation that completely abolishes 2A? Are you so hopefully/woefully(?) optimistic about the functioning of our broken govt to believe this type of legislation is coming anytime in our lifetime? Because, frankly, if you're not (and I'm NOT), it all kinda sounds like paranoia to me.
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| 2013-04-10 10:21 AM in reply to: #4694659 |
Champion 17756  SoCal | Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:14 AM Big Appa - 2013-04-10 10:09 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 8:05 AM powerman - 2013-04-10 11:02 AM Private sale from an aquaintence is a serious loop hole. Be that in a hotel ballroom show or over craigslist. That should be subject to the same standard as an LGS sale.jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 8:55 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:26 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:23 AM Looks as though federal background checks will get a positive vote in the senate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/10/deal-reached-on-bac... And they'll be a complete waste of time without medical history to check for possible mental issues. Even then their worth is dubious....go check the stats on how many guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Another "feel good" regulation that won't change a single thing the proponents think it will. That's exactly why we need to close the Gun Show Loop Hole. So the bad guys CAN'T buy them legally. This thing is gonna pass the Senate. Along party line or not-who cares. The 'nayes' will have to answer to their voters back home. The NRA and gun lobbys are not the only players with money to spend these days. Our elected officials want nothing but to be our RE-elected officials. They are gonna move to where the money is; if that's Gabby Giffords moeny, So Be It. You are kidding right? How exactly does a criminal buy a gun "legally". Can you explain the "Gun Show Loop Hole"? In CA if there is no FFL transfer it's not a legal sale. Yeah, and that must be why shootings are so low in Ca. compared to the rest of the country. I realize that you are just the messenger, Appa, but those FFL transfers don't do a thing to deter criminals. I agree about it not detering crime I was just replying to Pitt's post about loop holes. |
| 2013-04-10 10:21 AM in reply to: #4694664 |
Champion 18680 Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread pitt83 - 2013-04-10 11:16 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 11:12 AM Homogenization. There should be no reason why different routes of sale should exist.pitt83 - 2013-04-10 10:05 AM powerman - 2013-04-10 11:02 AM Private sale from an aquaintence is a serious loop hole. Be that in a hotel ballroom show or over craigslist. That should be subject to the same standard as an LGS sale.jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 8:55 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:26 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:23 AM Looks as though federal background checks will get a positive vote in the senate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/10/deal-reached-on-bac... And they'll be a complete waste of time without medical history to check for possible mental issues. Even then their worth is dubious....go check the stats on how many guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Another "feel good" regulation that won't change a single thing the proponents think it will. That's exactly why we need to close the Gun Show Loop Hole. So the bad guys CAN'T buy them legally. This thing is gonna pass the Senate. Along party line or not-who cares. The 'nayes' will have to answer to their voters back home. The NRA and gun lobbys are not the only players with money to spend these days. Our elected officials want nothing but to be our RE-elected officials. They are gonna move to where the money is; if that's Gabby Giffords moeny, So Be It. You are kidding right? How exactly does a criminal buy a gun "legally". Can you explain the "Gun Show Loop Hole"? It is? Why? Do you have some data that shows those guns from private sales are used in alot of crime? Do you think that making background checks mandatory that people will quit selling/buying/trading guns amongst themselves? Can you explain exactly what you hope will be accomplished with background checks? ....or the closure of any "loophole"? Are you willing to apply this standard to all your other goods? Say your car or your bicycle?
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| 2013-04-10 10:21 AM in reply to: #4694674 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread DanielG - 2013-04-10 11:20 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 11:05 AM powerman - 2013-04-10 11:02 AM jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 8:55 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:26 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:23 AM Looks as though federal background checks will get a positive vote in the senate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/10/deal-reached-on-bac... And they'll be a complete waste of time without medical history to check for possible mental issues. Even then their worth is dubious....go check the stats on how many guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Another "feel good" regulation that won't change a single thing the proponents think it will. That's exactly why we need to close the Gun Show Loop Hole. So the bad guys CAN'T buy them legally. This thing is gonna pass the Senate. Along party line or not-who cares. The 'nayes' will have to answer to their voters back home. The NRA and gun lobbys are not the only players with money to spend these days. Our elected officials want nothing but to be our RE-elected officials. They are gonna move to where the money is; if that's Gabby Giffords moeny, So Be It. You are kidding right? How exactly does a criminal buy a gun "legally". Can you explain the "Gun Show Loop Hole"? Private sale from an aquaintence is a serious loop hole. Be that in a hotel ballroom show or over craigslist. That should be subject to the same standard as an LGS sale. He didn't ask that, he asked how a criminal buys a gun legally. Anyone who has been convicted of a crime with a potential sentence of over 1 year cannot legally possess (read: Handle, touch) a firearm or a single round of ammunition. That's current law. A criminal can very easily buy a gun legally by private sale if there is no check required. Quite easy. |
| 2013-04-10 10:22 AM in reply to: #4694669 |
| Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread pitt83 - 2013-04-10 11:17 AM Brock Samson - 2013-04-10 11:16 AM To those of you who are in favor of background checks, and because of that believe that the Schumer "background check" bill should be passed, I have a question for you: Have you read the bill?
This bill isn't just "back ground checks", it isn't just "closing the gun show loop hole" Read it... It is far more intrusive. It would require back ground checks in situations that there isn't a sale, but a temporary transfer or lending. Read the bill...don't simply take the word of the press, the congress people promoting or opposing the bill, or me. Read it....
Personally I find the bill overly broad and intrusive. To me it appears that this "background check" bill's primary purpose is to make gun ownership so onerous and inconvenient as to dissuade people from gun ownership. (for instance under the Schumer bill if you own a firearm and you have a non-related room mate and you go on vacation for over a certain period of time and you are going to leave your firearms at your home, you would have to conduct a back ground check on your room mate. Additionally different requirements for lending and triggering a background check depending upon where you go shooting either at a gun club or out in the woods...) But then again, I've read the bill.... And truthfully; I have no problem with those provisions. Only accept those provisions as you would accept were they talking about your right to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures. Once you start making exceptions just because you believe this one single instance is worthwhile, you agree to every infraction that comes later Just to make sure no criminal gets away with it. |
| 2013-04-10 10:23 AM in reply to: #4643301 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread Stepping out: IT needs my computer. |
| 2013-04-10 10:23 AM in reply to: #4694674 |
Champion 17756 SoCal | Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread DanielG - 2013-04-10 8:20 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 11:05 AM He didn't ask that, he asked how a criminal buys a gun legally. Anyone who has been convicted of a crime with a potential sentence of over 1 year cannot legally possess (read: Handle, touch) a firearm or a single round of ammunition. That's current law. powerman - 2013-04-10 11:02 AM Private sale from an aquaintence is a serious loop hole. Be that in a hotel ballroom show or over craigslist. That should be subject to the same standard as an LGS sale.jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 8:55 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:26 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:23 AM Looks as though federal background checks will get a positive vote in the senate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/10/deal-reached-on-bac... And they'll be a complete waste of time without medical history to check for possible mental issues. Even then their worth is dubious....go check the stats on how many guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Another "feel good" regulation that won't change a single thing the proponents think it will. That's exactly why we need to close the Gun Show Loop Hole. So the bad guys CAN'T buy them legally. This thing is gonna pass the Senate. Along party line or not-who cares. The 'nayes' will have to answer to their voters back home. The NRA and gun lobbys are not the only players with money to spend these days. Our elected officials want nothing but to be our RE-elected officials. They are gonna move to where the money is; if that's Gabby Giffords moeny, So Be It. You are kidding right? How exactly does a criminal buy a gun "legally". Can you explain the "Gun Show Loop Hole"? Unless they petition to get their rights reinstated which I personally do not agree with. |
| 2013-04-10 10:23 AM in reply to: #4694682 |
| Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread pitt83 - 2013-04-10 11:21 AM A criminal can very easily buy a gun legally by private sale if there is no check required. Quite easy. It's both illegal to sell TO the criminal regardless of background check provision as well as illegal for the criminal to BUY the firearm regardless of background check provisions. So your statement is false. |
| 2013-04-10 10:24 AM in reply to: #4694641 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:05 AM powerman - 2013-04-10 11:02 AM Private sale from an aquaintence is a serious loop hole. Be that in a hotel ballroom show or over craigslist. That should be subject to the same standard as an LGS sale.jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 8:55 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:26 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:23 AM Looks as though federal background checks will get a positive vote in the senate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/10/deal-reached-on-bac... And they'll be a complete waste of time without medical history to check for possible mental issues. Even then their worth is dubious....go check the stats on how many guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Another "feel good" regulation that won't change a single thing the proponents think it will. That's exactly why we need to close the Gun Show Loop Hole. So the bad guys CAN'T buy them legally. This thing is gonna pass the Senate. Along party line or not-who cares. The 'nayes' will have to answer to their voters back home. The NRA and gun lobbys are not the only players with money to spend these days. Our elected officials want nothing but to be our RE-elected officials. They are gonna move to where the money is; if that's Gabby Giffords moeny, So Be It. You are kidding right? How exactly does a criminal buy a gun "legally". Can you explain the "Gun Show Loop Hole"? So you agree there is no such thing as a gun show loop hole, since all sales from a vendors at a gun show require back ground checks? |
| 2013-04-10 10:24 AM in reply to: #4694686 |
| Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread Big Appa - 2013-04-10 11:23 AM DanielG - 2013-04-10 8:20 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 11:05 AM He didn't ask that, he asked how a criminal buys a gun legally. Anyone who has been convicted of a crime with a potential sentence of over 1 year cannot legally possess (read: Handle, touch) a firearm or a single round of ammunition. That's current law. powerman - 2013-04-10 11:02 AM Private sale from an aquaintence is a serious loop hole. Be that in a hotel ballroom show or over craigslist. That should be subject to the same standard as an LGS sale.jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 8:55 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:26 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:23 AM Looks as though federal background checks will get a positive vote in the senate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/10/deal-reached-on-bac... And they'll be a complete waste of time without medical history to check for possible mental issues. Even then their worth is dubious....go check the stats on how many guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Another "feel good" regulation that won't change a single thing the proponents think it will. That's exactly why we need to close the Gun Show Loop Hole. So the bad guys CAN'T buy them legally. This thing is gonna pass the Senate. Along party line or not-who cares. The 'nayes' will have to answer to their voters back home. The NRA and gun lobbys are not the only players with money to spend these days. Our elected officials want nothing but to be our RE-elected officials. They are gonna move to where the money is; if that's Gabby Giffords moeny, So Be It. You are kidding right? How exactly does a criminal buy a gun "legally". Can you explain the "Gun Show Loop Hole"? Unless they petition to get their rights reinstated which I personally do not agree with. I don't think anyone's talking about restoration. Just criminals who still have the record. |
| 2013-04-10 10:25 AM in reply to: #4694664 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread pitt83 - 2013-04-10 10:16 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 11:12 AM Homogenization. There should be no reason why different routes of sale should exist.pitt83 - 2013-04-10 10:05 AM powerman - 2013-04-10 11:02 AM Private sale from an aquaintence is a serious loop hole. Be that in a hotel ballroom show or over craigslist. That should be subject to the same standard as an LGS sale.jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 8:55 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:26 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:23 AM Looks as though federal background checks will get a positive vote in the senate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/10/deal-reached-on-bac... And they'll be a complete waste of time without medical history to check for possible mental issues. Even then their worth is dubious....go check the stats on how many guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Another "feel good" regulation that won't change a single thing the proponents think it will. That's exactly why we need to close the Gun Show Loop Hole. So the bad guys CAN'T buy them legally. This thing is gonna pass the Senate. Along party line or not-who cares. The 'nayes' will have to answer to their voters back home. The NRA and gun lobbys are not the only players with money to spend these days. Our elected officials want nothing but to be our RE-elected officials. They are gonna move to where the money is; if that's Gabby Giffords moeny, So Be It. You are kidding right? How exactly does a criminal buy a gun "legally". Can you explain the "Gun Show Loop Hole"? It is? Why? Do you have some data that shows those guns from private sales are used in alot of crime? Do you think that making background checks mandatory that people will quit selling/buying/trading guns amongst themselves? Can you explain exactly what you hope will be accomplished with background checks? ....or the closure of any "loophole"? What difference will that possibly make in the crime rate? |
| 2013-04-10 10:28 AM in reply to: #4694679 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread Big Appa - 2013-04-10 10:21 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:14 AM Big Appa - 2013-04-10 10:09 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 8:05 AM powerman - 2013-04-10 11:02 AM Private sale from an aquaintence is a serious loop hole. Be that in a hotel ballroom show or over craigslist. That should be subject to the same standard as an LGS sale.jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 8:55 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:26 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:23 AM Looks as though federal background checks will get a positive vote in the senate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/10/deal-reached-on-bac... And they'll be a complete waste of time without medical history to check for possible mental issues. Even then their worth is dubious....go check the stats on how many guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Another "feel good" regulation that won't change a single thing the proponents think it will. That's exactly why we need to close the Gun Show Loop Hole. So the bad guys CAN'T buy them legally. This thing is gonna pass the Senate. Along party line or not-who cares. The 'nayes' will have to answer to their voters back home. The NRA and gun lobbys are not the only players with money to spend these days. Our elected officials want nothing but to be our RE-elected officials. They are gonna move to where the money is; if that's Gabby Giffords moeny, So Be It. You are kidding right? How exactly does a criminal buy a gun "legally". Can you explain the "Gun Show Loop Hole"? In CA if there is no FFL transfer it's not a legal sale. Yeah, and that must be why shootings are so low in Ca. compared to the rest of the country. I realize that you are just the messenger, Appa, but those FFL transfers don't do a thing to deter criminals. I agree about it not detering crime I was just replying to Pitt's post about loop holes. Yeah, I get it, that's why I wrote the second sentence. |
| 2013-04-10 10:29 AM in reply to: #4694674 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread DanielG - 2013-04-10 10:20 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 11:05 AM powerman - 2013-04-10 11:02 AM jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 8:55 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:26 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:23 AM Looks as though federal background checks will get a positive vote in the senate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/10/deal-reached-on-bac... And they'll be a complete waste of time without medical history to check for possible mental issues. Even then their worth is dubious....go check the stats on how many guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Another "feel good" regulation that won't change a single thing the proponents think it will. That's exactly why we need to close the Gun Show Loop Hole. So the bad guys CAN'T buy them legally. This thing is gonna pass the Senate. Along party line or not-who cares. The 'nayes' will have to answer to their voters back home. The NRA and gun lobbys are not the only players with money to spend these days. Our elected officials want nothing but to be our RE-elected officials. They are gonna move to where the money is; if that's Gabby Giffords moeny, So Be It. You are kidding right? How exactly does a criminal buy a gun "legally". Can you explain the "Gun Show Loop Hole"? Private sale from an aquaintence is a serious loop hole. Be that in a hotel ballroom show or over craigslist. That should be subject to the same standard as an LGS sale. He didn't ask that, he asked how a criminal buys a gun legally. Anyone who has been convicted of a crime with a potential sentence of over 1 year cannot legally possess (read: Handle, touch) a firearm or a single round of ammunition. That's current law. You are wrong. |
| 2013-04-10 10:31 AM in reply to: #4694674 |
Expert 2180 Boise, Idaho | Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread DanielG - 2013-04-10 9:20 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 11:05 AM He didn't ask that, he asked how a criminal buys a gun legally. Anyone who has been convicted of a crime with a potential sentence of over 1 year cannot legally possess (read: Handle, touch) a firearm or a single round of ammunition. That's current law. powerman - 2013-04-10 11:02 AM Private sale from an aquaintence is a serious loop hole. Be that in a hotel ballroom show or over craigslist. That should be subject to the same standard as an LGS sale.jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 8:55 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:26 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:23 AM Looks as though federal background checks will get a positive vote in the senate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/10/deal-reached-on-bac... And they'll be a complete waste of time without medical history to check for possible mental issues. Even then their worth is dubious....go check the stats on how many guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Another "feel good" regulation that won't change a single thing the proponents think it will. That's exactly why we need to close the Gun Show Loop Hole. So the bad guys CAN'T buy them legally. This thing is gonna pass the Senate. Along party line or not-who cares. The 'nayes' will have to answer to their voters back home. The NRA and gun lobbys are not the only players with money to spend these days. Our elected officials want nothing but to be our RE-elected officials. They are gonna move to where the money is; if that's Gabby Giffords moeny, So Be It. You are kidding right? How exactly does a criminal buy a gun "legally". Can you explain the "Gun Show Loop Hole"? THIS is another argument that, frankly, I can't follow. I lock my doors at night with a 20.00 dead bolt. Is this going to stop all break-ins at my house. NO! But it maybe....just maybe will DETER a potential criminal. If Background Checks make it a wee bit 'harder' for someone to obtain a firearm who, under current laws, would not normally have access or the ability to purchase said firearm-then I don't understand WHO can be against that principal ON IT'S OWN MERITS. But please, spare me the argument that this all somehow....in the future.....is going to invite the black helicopters into our neighborhoods to round up all yer guns. |
| 2013-04-10 10:31 AM in reply to: #4694702 |
| Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread mr2tony - 2013-04-10 11:29 AM DanielG - 2013-04-10 10:20 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 11:05 AM powerman - 2013-04-10 11:02 AM jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 8:55 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:26 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:23 AM Looks as though federal background checks will get a positive vote in the senate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/10/deal-reached-on-bac... And they'll be a complete waste of time without medical history to check for possible mental issues. Even then their worth is dubious....go check the stats on how many guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Another "feel good" regulation that won't change a single thing the proponents think it will. That's exactly why we need to close the Gun Show Loop Hole. So the bad guys CAN'T buy them legally. This thing is gonna pass the Senate. Along party line or not-who cares. The 'nayes' will have to answer to their voters back home. The NRA and gun lobbys are not the only players with money to spend these days. Our elected officials want nothing but to be our RE-elected officials. They are gonna move to where the money is; if that's Gabby Giffords moeny, So Be It. You are kidding right? How exactly does a criminal buy a gun "legally". Can you explain the "Gun Show Loop Hole"? Private sale from an aquaintence is a serious loop hole. Be that in a hotel ballroom show or over craigslist. That should be subject to the same standard as an LGS sale. He didn't ask that, he asked how a criminal buys a gun legally. Anyone who has been convicted of a crime with a potential sentence of over 1 year cannot legally possess (read: Handle, touch) a firearm or a single round of ammunition. That's current law. You are wrong. How? |
| 2013-04-10 10:32 AM in reply to: #4694705 |
| Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 11:31 AM THIS is another argument that, frankly, I can't follow. That's obvious. Enjoy your day. |
| 2013-04-10 10:33 AM in reply to: #4694676 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 9:20 AM powerman - 2013-04-10 9:02 AM jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 8:55 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:26 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:23 AM Looks as though federal background checks will get a positive vote in the senate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/10/deal-reached-on-bac... And they'll be a complete waste of time without medical history to check for possible mental issues. Even then their worth is dubious....go check the stats on how many guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Another "feel good" regulation that won't change a single thing the proponents think it will. That's exactly why we need to close the Gun Show Loop Hole. So the bad guys CAN'T buy them legally. This thing is gonna pass the Senate. Along party line or not-who cares. The 'nayes' will have to answer to their voters back home. The NRA and gun lobbys are not the only players with money to spend these days. Our elected officials want nothing but to be our RE-elected officials. They are gonna move to where the money is; if that's Gabby Giffords moeny, So Be It. You are kidding right? How exactly does a criminal buy a gun "legally". Can you explain the "Gun Show Loop Hole"? Power, This is a HOT BUTTON item for you, I get that. And that's great. You're 'concerned' that ANY Gun Control measure is simply a ruse to erode your 2A rights. I get that, too. What I really don't understand is that for years COJ and any political thread has been filled with pages..PAGES of comments regarding the INability for our country to enact even the most benign law. So why NOW do you believe out govt. is suddenly going to move with lightening fast speed and resolve, to overnight pass sweeping gun control legislation that completely abolishes 2A? Are you so hopefully/woefully(?) optimistic about the functioning of our broken govt to believe this type of legislation is coming anytime in our lifetime? Because, frankly, if you're not (and I'm NOT), it all kinda sounds like paranoia to me.
At least you used "paranoid" in a sentence to a gun rights advocate so you full filled your requirements.
Because, nothing the government ever does is benign. One turns into two. 20,000 gun laws on the books, but we need more. It isn't the "back ground check law" I'm concerned about... it is the 20,001, and 20,002, and 20,003 laws I'm concerned about. I have said it before, I'm not against a universal checks...if that's all there was. But that isn't all there is, and there is much much more planned, but first things first.... over 200 years and 20,000 gun laws... but for some reason we still see an object as the problem. And I want you to be honest... if you do not want 2A removed, that's fine. But you know for a fact, there are many that do. So don't sit here and argue to me thatI'm paranoid... when there are people actively working on doing exactly what you are talking about... even if it isn't you that's doing it. |
| 2013-04-10 10:34 AM in reply to: #4694707 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread DanielG - 2013-04-10 10:31 AM mr2tony - 2013-04-10 11:29 AM DanielG - 2013-04-10 10:20 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 11:05 AM powerman - 2013-04-10 11:02 AM jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 8:55 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:26 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:23 AM Looks as though federal background checks will get a positive vote in the senate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/10/deal-reached-on-bac... And they'll be a complete waste of time without medical history to check for possible mental issues. Even then their worth is dubious....go check the stats on how many guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Another "feel good" regulation that won't change a single thing the proponents think it will. That's exactly why we need to close the Gun Show Loop Hole. So the bad guys CAN'T buy them legally. This thing is gonna pass the Senate. Along party line or not-who cares. The 'nayes' will have to answer to their voters back home. The NRA and gun lobbys are not the only players with money to spend these days. Our elected officials want nothing but to be our RE-elected officials. They are gonna move to where the money is; if that's Gabby Giffords moeny, So Be It. You are kidding right? How exactly does a criminal buy a gun "legally". Can you explain the "Gun Show Loop Hole"? Private sale from an aquaintence is a serious loop hole. Be that in a hotel ballroom show or over craigslist. That should be subject to the same standard as an LGS sale. He didn't ask that, he asked how a criminal buys a gun legally. Anyone who has been convicted of a crime with a potential sentence of over 1 year cannot legally possess (read: Handle, touch) a firearm or a single round of ammunition. That's current law. You are wrong. How? Appa said it, he was right. In many states, convicted felons can petition for restoration of their Second Amendment rights, often without a hearing. Just because you've been convicted of a felony doesn't preclude you from owning a gun legally, you just can't take it to jail with you. Unless you're in New Orleans, apparently. |
| 2013-04-10 10:36 AM in reply to: #4694705 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 10:31 AM DanielG - 2013-04-10 9:20 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 11:05 AM He didn't ask that, he asked how a criminal buys a gun legally. Anyone who has been convicted of a crime with a potential sentence of over 1 year cannot legally possess (read: Handle, touch) a firearm or a single round of ammunition. That's current law. powerman - 2013-04-10 11:02 AM Private sale from an aquaintence is a serious loop hole. Be that in a hotel ballroom show or over craigslist. That should be subject to the same standard as an LGS sale.jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 8:55 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:26 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:23 AM Looks as though federal background checks will get a positive vote in the senate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/10/deal-reached-on-bac... And they'll be a complete waste of time without medical history to check for possible mental issues. Even then their worth is dubious....go check the stats on how many guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Another "feel good" regulation that won't change a single thing the proponents think it will. That's exactly why we need to close the Gun Show Loop Hole. So the bad guys CAN'T buy them legally. This thing is gonna pass the Senate. Along party line or not-who cares. The 'nayes' will have to answer to their voters back home. The NRA and gun lobbys are not the only players with money to spend these days. Our elected officials want nothing but to be our RE-elected officials. They are gonna move to where the money is; if that's Gabby Giffords moeny, So Be It. You are kidding right? How exactly does a criminal buy a gun "legally". Can you explain the "Gun Show Loop Hole"? THIS is another argument that, frankly, I can't follow. I lock my doors at night with a 20.00 dead bolt. Is this going to stop all break-ins at my house. NO! But it maybe....just maybe will DETER a potential criminal. If Background Checks make it a wee bit 'harder' for someone to obtain a firearm who, under current laws, would not normally have access or the ability to purchase said firearm-then I don't understand WHO can be against that principal ON IT'S OWN MERITS. But please, spare me the argument that this all somehow....in the future.....is going to invite the black helicopters into our neighborhoods to round up all yer guns. Have you actually ever talked to people who commit crimes with guns? Have you talked to someone who will use a gun in a robbery or a murder? Do you, for even a "wee bit" think they care at all about background checks or gun laws? Honestly, from my experiences and conversations/interrogations with that group of people I cannot imagine how you end up writing what you wrote there. |
| 2013-04-10 10:37 AM in reply to: #4694719 |
| Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread mr2tony - 2013-04-10 11:34 AM Appa said it, he was right. In many states, convicted felons can petition for restoration of their Second Amendment rights, often without a hearing. Just because you've been convicted of a felony doesn't preclude you from owning a gun legally, you just can't take it to jail with you. Unless you're in New Orleans, apparently. Umm, no. They can get rights restored but there are very specific and detailed steps to be allowed to own firearms again. ATF, not state, dictates it. If there was no hearing, it's not legal. |
| 2013-04-10 10:38 AM in reply to: #4694587 |
Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread GomesBolt - 2013-04-10 10:48 AM Jeff, As opposed to the gun haters who happen to wear a badge? I find that description rather discriminatory. You could have said "officers who are gun enthusiasts". As for the numbers of support/opposition from police. I do believe the majority of the police unions and trade groups who are most vocal are opposed to gun rights. But the demographics of police nationwide are that there are more rural officers who are not vocal at all and who almost universally support gun ownership. The greatest difference will be seen with Police Chiefs and Sheriffs. Chiefs are in bigger cities and have to answer to a mayor. There are a few who are elected though. County Sheriffs have been more vocal about supporting gun owners. They are elected by the county citizens. So just wearing a badge is too broad of a stroke in this situation. You will find more support for gun control LEOs under a chief than you will under Sheriffs. |
| 2013-04-10 10:38 AM in reply to: #4694705 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 9:31 AM DanielG - 2013-04-10 9:20 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 11:05 AM He didn't ask that, he asked how a criminal buys a gun legally. Anyone who has been convicted of a crime with a potential sentence of over 1 year cannot legally possess (read: Handle, touch) a firearm or a single round of ammunition. That's current law. powerman - 2013-04-10 11:02 AM Private sale from an aquaintence is a serious loop hole. Be that in a hotel ballroom show or over craigslist. That should be subject to the same standard as an LGS sale.jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 8:55 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:26 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:23 AM Looks as though federal background checks will get a positive vote in the senate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/10/deal-reached-on-bac... And they'll be a complete waste of time without medical history to check for possible mental issues. Even then their worth is dubious....go check the stats on how many guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Another "feel good" regulation that won't change a single thing the proponents think it will. That's exactly why we need to close the Gun Show Loop Hole. So the bad guys CAN'T buy them legally. This thing is gonna pass the Senate. Along party line or not-who cares. The 'nayes' will have to answer to their voters back home. The NRA and gun lobbys are not the only players with money to spend these days. Our elected officials want nothing but to be our RE-elected officials. They are gonna move to where the money is; if that's Gabby Giffords moeny, So Be It. You are kidding right? How exactly does a criminal buy a gun "legally". Can you explain the "Gun Show Loop Hole"? THIS is another argument that, frankly, I can't follow. I lock my doors at night with a 20.00 dead bolt. Is this going to stop all break-ins at my house. NO! But it maybe....just maybe will DETER a potential criminal. If Background Checks make it a wee bit 'harder' for someone to obtain a firearm who, under current laws, would not normally have access or the ability to purchase said firearm-then I don't understand WHO can be against that principal ON IT'S OWN MERITS. But please, spare me the argument that this all somehow....in the future.....is going to invite the black helicopters into our neighborhoods to round up all yer guns. So what must I do for you so that you can sleep at night? How many hoops would you like me... a law abiding citizen... to jump through before you think adequate mesures are in place to make gun ownership a big enough pain in the as*? What do you not understand about the illegal drug trade. Substances out right banned, stiff penalties for involvment, no constitutional right what so ever.... yet it is a 100 billion dollar industry in this country. How many laws do you think will be required to stop criminals from getting guns... now tell me if that is going to be more effective than the drug laws? |
| 2013-04-10 10:42 AM in reply to: #4694712 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread powerman - 2013-04-10 11:33 AM jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 9:20 AM powerman - 2013-04-10 9:02 AM jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 8:55 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:26 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:23 AM Looks as though federal background checks will get a positive vote in the senate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/10/deal-reached-on-bac... And they'll be a complete waste of time without medical history to check for possible mental issues. Even then their worth is dubious....go check the stats on how many guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Another "feel good" regulation that won't change a single thing the proponents think it will. That's exactly why we need to close the Gun Show Loop Hole. So the bad guys CAN'T buy them legally. This thing is gonna pass the Senate. Along party line or not-who cares. The 'nayes' will have to answer to their voters back home. The NRA and gun lobbys are not the only players with money to spend these days. Our elected officials want nothing but to be our RE-elected officials. They are gonna move to where the money is; if that's Gabby Giffords moeny, So Be It. You are kidding right? How exactly does a criminal buy a gun "legally". Can you explain the "Gun Show Loop Hole"? Power, This is a HOT BUTTON item for you, I get that. And that's great. You're 'concerned' that ANY Gun Control measure is simply a ruse to erode your 2A rights. I get that, too. What I really don't understand is that for years COJ and any political thread has been filled with pages..PAGES of comments regarding the INability for our country to enact even the most benign law. So why NOW do you believe out govt. is suddenly going to move with lightening fast speed and resolve, to overnight pass sweeping gun control legislation that completely abolishes 2A? Are you so hopefully/woefully(?) optimistic about the functioning of our broken govt to believe this type of legislation is coming anytime in our lifetime? Because, frankly, if you're not (and I'm NOT), it all kinda sounds like paranoia to me.
At least you used "paranoid" in a sentence to a gun rights advocate so you full filled your requirements.
Because, nothing the government ever does is benign. One turns into two. 20,000 gun laws on the books, but we need more. It isn't the "back ground check law" I'm concerned about... it is the 20,001, and 20,002, and 20,003 laws I'm concerned about. I have said it before, I'm not against a universal checks...if that's all there was. But that isn't all there is, and there is much much more planned, but first things first.... over 200 years and 20,000 gun laws... but for some reason we still see an object as the problem. And I want you to be honest... if you do not want 2A removed, that's fine. But you know for a fact, there are many that do. So don't sit here and argue to me thatI'm paranoid... when there are people actively working on doing exactly what you are talking about... even if it isn't you that's doing it. So then: You think what we have now is enough and re-evaluating these 20K or so laws isn't necessary or wanted? |
| 2013-04-10 10:43 AM in reply to: #4694641 |
| Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread pitt83 - 2013-04-10 8:05 AM powerman - 2013-04-10 11:02 AM Private sale from an aquaintence is a serious loop hole. Be that in a hotel ballroom show or over craigslist. That should be subject to the same standard as an LGS sale.jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 8:55 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:26 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:23 AM Looks as though federal background checks will get a positive vote in the senate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/10/deal-reached-on-bac... And they'll be a complete waste of time without medical history to check for possible mental issues. Even then their worth is dubious....go check the stats on how many guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Another "feel good" regulation that won't change a single thing the proponents think it will. That's exactly why we need to close the Gun Show Loop Hole. So the bad guys CAN'T buy them legally. This thing is gonna pass the Senate. Along party line or not-who cares. The 'nayes' will have to answer to their voters back home. The NRA and gun lobbys are not the only players with money to spend these days. Our elected officials want nothing but to be our RE-elected officials. They are gonna move to where the money is; if that's Gabby Giffords moeny, So Be It. You are kidding right? How exactly does a criminal buy a gun "legally". Can you explain the "Gun Show Loop Hole"? Someone should keep score on the things you say that are factually correct and incorrect. I think you would be ashamed of your score. Try and sell a firearm on Craigslist,,,,,,, |
| 2013-04-10 10:44 AM in reply to: #4694746 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: 'The' Gun Thread crusevegas - 2013-04-10 11:43 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 8:05 AM powerman - 2013-04-10 11:02 AM Private sale from an aquaintence is a serious loop hole. Be that in a hotel ballroom show or over craigslist. That should be subject to the same standard as an LGS sale.jeffnboise - 2013-04-10 8:55 AM Left Brain - 2013-04-10 8:26 AM pitt83 - 2013-04-10 9:23 AM Looks as though federal background checks will get a positive vote in the senate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/10/deal-reached-on-bac... And they'll be a complete waste of time without medical history to check for possible mental issues. Even then their worth is dubious....go check the stats on how many guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Another "feel good" regulation that won't change a single thing the proponents think it will. That's exactly why we need to close the Gun Show Loop Hole. So the bad guys CAN'T buy them legally. This thing is gonna pass the Senate. Along party line or not-who cares. The 'nayes' will have to answer to their voters back home. The NRA and gun lobbys are not the only players with money to spend these days. Our elected officials want nothing but to be our RE-elected officials. They are gonna move to where the money is; if that's Gabby Giffords moeny, So Be It. You are kidding right? How exactly does a criminal buy a gun "legally". Can you explain the "Gun Show Loop Hole"? Someone should keep score on the things you say that are factually correct and incorrect. I think you would be ashamed of your score. Try and sell a firearm on Craigslist,,,,,,, Stop the personal attacks please. Stick to the discussion at hand. . |
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