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uclamatt2007 - 2009-02-11 11:34 PM

1. Any seat recommendations?

2. I have some cheap plastics flat pedals on it right now but I plan to upgrade to clipless once I am slightly more confident that I won't run into a tree on it. Pedal/shoe recommendations?



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2009-02-12 8:16 AM
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uclamatt2007 - 2009-02-11 11:34 PM

1. Any seat recommendations?

2. I have some cheap plastics flat pedals on it right now but I plan to upgrade to clipless once I am slightly more confident that I won't run into a tree on it. Pedal/shoe recommendations?

How did you know about that?

Hey ~ I definitely ran into a stop sign before while riding on a busy road (yes, it was embarrassing).  It hurt like heck because I was going pretty 'fast' but looking back, I can't help but laugh at it.

Anyways, congrats on the new bike Matt! 

As for the clipless pedals, I hooked my bike up to the trainer and practiced clipping in and out a few times before taking it on the road for the first time with the clipless pedals.  I felt a lot more confident because I knew how to move my foot to quickly clip in.

2009-02-12 9:00 AM
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Yes!  The Adamo.  Saved my riding after prostate cancer surgery.  I've gotten to be online friends with Steve Toll, the designer and owner of the company.  They are becoming more widely used on the triathlon level.  Check out the ad in this month's Triathlete magazine.  Several top finishers at Kona and elsewhere are on Adamos.

I use SPDs for some of the same reasons Todd does.  Easier to move in for sure. 

Have a great day.  Insist on it!

2009-02-12 10:12 AM
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Just to add to the Adamo point, and I will approach this carefully ... it really helped eliminate  the numbness that men sometimes feel in the saddle.  If that's a problem for you at all, then really do consider the Adamo.

2009-02-12 12:23 PM
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Okay...time for one of my rants...prompted by a comment I saw this morning that pushed one of my (many) buttons...

There is NO...repeat NO...demonstrable advantage from excess fat in swimming. Maybe the biggest myth handed around on BT. There is actually research out there to be found on the Web that suggests that the loss of hydrodynamics (meaning the drag that your belly and butt creates...not to put too fine a point on it) is a bigger drawback than what minimum reduction in drag you gain from a slightly higher position in the water due to the slight increase in buoyancy. (And that's just the fluid mechanics...doesn't even address the issue of relative aerobic fitness, upper body strength, and joint flexibility of trim vs. overweight athletes.) There is almost certainly a point of diminishing returns in terms of body fat % in competitive swimmers. For us ordinary, mortal, age groupers, it tends to just be something that's in the way.

Sorry for the rant...but this idea gets handed around BT like some sort of urban myth and it makes me nuts (not least because it inevitably reveals itself as the threads progress to be a rationalization some people actually do cling to). And the "look at all the fast fat swimmers in your local masters class" thing I see posted about every six months or so IS an urban myth as far as I'm concerned...there was hardly an ounce of fat on anyone arriving for the masters class at my pool as I was leaving this AM...and that's true of all the masters classes there that I've seen, actually.

What IS true is that body fat is LESS of a DISadvantage in swimming than in running or cycling. How much of a disadvantage is subject to debate. But even the one paper I found on the Web that credits fat content with helping with body position in the water didn't make the claim that, say, belly fat was helpful for competitive swimming...only that competitive swimmers tend to have a higher body fat percentage than other endurance athletes in general.

When you think about the fact that swimmers (even a lot of age group triathletes) SHAVE THEIR BODIES just to minimize a TINY amount of hydrodynamic drag, it boggles my mind that some folks think having a thicker cross section in the water isn't going to make swimming significantly slower, buoyancy-enhancing or not.

The most helpful relationship between body fat and swimming, IMO? Swimming is one of the lowest impact aerobic activities around and saves your knees, hips, and ankles the stresses they're subjected to while you are losing weight. As much as I'm a big fan of walking and running as a path to weight loss, a lot of folks would be better off starting out in the pool.

There are several articles about the relationship of fat content to buoyancy and drag out there...good summary is this one:

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0346.htm

Okay...sorry...had to get that off my chest.
2009-02-12 3:46 PM
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Feel better now, Todd?


2009-02-12 4:51 PM
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uclamatt2007 - 2009-02-11 8:34 PM

So I now have a bike. I no longer have any excuse not to ride (except for the fact it is supposed to rain everyday for the next 2 weeks). I ended up having to pay $450 for it but I got some extras. I comes with a downtube waterbottle cage as well as a double behind the seat cage. It also was upgraded to a Dura Ace crank and comes with a wired cycling computer.

 A few questions...

1. Any seat recommendations?

2. I have some cheap plastics flat pedals on it right now but I plan to upgrade to clipless once I am slightly more confident that I won't run into a tree on it. Pedal/shoe recommendations?

I'm still not 100% comfortable with clipless, so I have these pedals

Here's the link to them

http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=6000108&subcategory=60001078&brand=&sku=6223&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=Shop%20by%20Subcat%3A%20MTB%20Clipless%20Pedals

They are clipless on one side, but traditional on the other. When I race or have rides on the bike path, I clip in. When I'm commuting to work or riding in high traffic, I wear my running shoes and ride the regular side. They're half off right now at Nashbar!

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2009-02-12 10:36 PM
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Poster Nutbag - 2009-02-12 1:46 PM

Feel better now, Todd?


Yes. Ranting is good for the soul sometimes...

In all seriousness, I see occasional threads on these forums over time that--when looked at carefully--boil down to rationalizations for not losing weight beyond a certain point...and typically that point is probably not really likely to be healthy for that individual. One that cropped up last year was about "fitness" vs. "health"...it went on and on and on. Gist of it was "If I finished an Ironman, I must be 'fit' even if I'm still technically overweight (or obese)." That, to me, is just semantics (most disagreements start there, if you look at them closely): There's no absolute definition of "fit" and finishing an Ironman or marathon or whatever is no guarantee that you are actually in good health, i.e., have minimal risks for shortened longevity...which, from where I sit, is a heckuva lot more important than how many hours in one day you can exercise. (That may say as much or more about how stubborn--or masochistic--the individual is than how healthy he or she is.) Threads like that--IMO--are very often individuals looking for permission from others not to lose more weight (which--again, if you look at it carefully--suggests that they know they do have more work to do, but want to pass off responsibility for not doing it to other people). And--having just lost a whole lot of weight myself, which took a long time to lose--I completely understand that desire. But it doesn't mean I want to participate in enabling it.
2009-02-13 7:34 AM
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I admit I don't read many other threads here than this one, but I'm to understand some people justify keeping added weight on so they can float better?  Geez.  I'm so into shedding the remainder of my excess I can't tell you.  Down about 170 I figure...about 220 now...and I think another 20 will be fine.  Eating right, exercising hard so I know it is just a matter of time. 

I just don't want to haul this excess around on a bike or on my knees anymore.   

Have a great day!  Happy V-DAY!  Make someone happy! 

 

 

2009-02-13 12:58 PM
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I think that a lot of people equate their fitness with their respiratory performance, i.e. I can run 3 miles and not be gasping for air so I must be fit. While being able to do that is a good sign and will have definite health benefits, those benefits can't cancel out the negatives to carrying that extra weight.

I've always been one of those reasonably athletic fat kids who used that to justify not working out harder. I could always get by in most any athletic activity, so the extra hard work to drop the weight never seemed worth it. It wasnt til I put on another 10 pounds and it actualyl started to affect things that it finally cliucked for me. Now I back to where Iw as when I started college and I want to lose an additional 20 to where I shold have been to begin with.



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Thanks for sharing your experience, Matt. You got at some of what I was trying to get at...good post!

My wife and I are going to be out of town this weekend and probably offline. No bikes, probably no pool, and lots of rain. Only option is treadmill at the hotel...and I'm not getting in to see the podiatrist until Tuesday morning. May be a light weekend training-wise.

Hope everyone stays warm and dry and has a great weekend!
2009-02-13 7:10 PM
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tcovert - I'm considering upgrading to a Speedplay pedal/cleat system. The main reason is that the Speedplay cleats are flush...the pedal goes into the cleat rather than the other way around...so you aren't running or walking on a cleat that juts out from the sole. The problem I see is running in soft earth or mud...which sometimes is the case in transitions...seems like that would be a problem with those cleats--that the dirt would get trapped in the cleat.

Chiming in here on the speedplay clip-ins. That's all I've had and I got them last year when I got into all this tri stuff because you can clip in on either side of the pedal. I try to run in and out of my transitions so my shoes/cleats got a workout. I had to replace my cleats this year because the first ones were so worn down. I really didn't have too much problem with the grass issue. I think just two of my tris were on a grass transition area.

And, Todd, is that the Barb's race/full Vineman where you have accommodations? ANy other deals you might know of for someone else doing Barb's race??? Hmmm.. ;-) Maybe you or your friend could give us some recommendations as to where to stay. 

Congrats on your bike, Matt. Have you had it out for many rides yet? 

Unlike you Todd, we're NOT going out of town this weekend so I'll be s/b/r here at home as the weather allows. No plans here for Valentines Day, but I wish hope you enjoy a great holiday weekend and Valentines Day with your loved ones!

   

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lmscozz - 2009-02-13 5:10 PM

And, Todd, is that the Barb's race/full Vineman where you have accommodations? ANy other deals you might know of for someone else doing Barb's race??? Hmmm.. ;-) Maybe you or your friend could give us some recommendations as to where to stay. 



Thanks for the Speedplay feedback!

For Vineman 70.3, we stayed at a place called the Russian River Studios in Guerneville, just about a mile from the swim start. Ten little studio apartments (with big kitchens)...very inexpensive...only downside was fans only, no AC. We would have tried to book there again this year had my sister not scored the winery digs.

I'd definitely want to stay in Guerneville, all things being equal, in order to shave some minutes off on race morning. However, there is a major annual gay social/charity weekend event ("Lazy Bear") in town the same week as the tri's. Since we hadn't tried booking yet this year, I don't know how that effects availability (I'd bet the town is probably booked up, though, between the tri and the "Bears").
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Hey crew,

  Matt congrats on that bike! Sounds like a really good deal. So I was out in the yard working last week and hurt my chest. It got worse so I went to the doctor and I have a broken rib! Missed a few days but back at it the latter part of the week. I hope everyone enjoys their V day!

 

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2009-02-14 10:07 AM
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Okay, I'll bite ... how in the world did you break a rib working in the yard?   I ask because I often hurt myself working in the yard, but never to the extent of a broken bone.  Hope it gets better quick and it doesn't sideline you too much.


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Poster Nutbag - 2009-02-14 10:07 AM Okay, I'll bite ... how in the world did you break a rib working in the yard?   I ask because I often hurt myself working in the yard, but never to the extent of a broken bone.  Hope it gets better quick and it doesn't sideline you too much.

It involves me bear hugging a pair of trimmers to cut through a thick branch...and pop! I know, I'm an idiot.

In other news, guess who ran 5 miles for the first time since October with no knee pain! (I didn't say there was no rib pain) I'm so stoked! I love running, and have really missed it.

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Jake,

Been there too ...

Beautiful morning for a ride today!  Cool, crisp, cloudy, no wind.  Just perfect!  Great way to follow up an Arizona trouncing of UCLA on the hardwood yesterday!

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Raining.  Again.
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Flat out nasty weather up here this weekend. If any of you watched the tour of california yesterday, that is what we are dealing with up here. Of course, I go buy a new bike and it starts dumping after having one of the driest winters in years.

 I've managed to get one short ride in so far on the new bike. A few observations:

1) My "sit bones" hate me.

2) I have a lot of bike handling work to do.  There is a big jump from a mountain bike to a tri bike. I hopped on, dropped down into aero, and proceeded to try to dismount face first. I got the wobble left, right, left, and then managed to stop before it ended poorly. I was finally starting to get the hang of it by the end of the ride. More leaning and less handlebar truning versus a mountain bike.

3) This rain nees to stop, I did 3 miles on the treadmill last night and by the end I was just flat out over it. I miss running outside. (and this is coming from someone who never imagined missing running of any type)

 

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Yep...I deserved that.

 

Just remeber, what goes around comes around. When we are headed to our 4th final four and you guys get bumped in the first round, you'll be hearing from me. 

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Keep talkin', bRuin!

Seriously, it's only one game ...

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Poster Nutbag - 2009-02-16 10:18 AM

Raining.  Again.


Just had a thunderstorm come through here in the Valley...first lightning I've seen here in at least a year, probably longer.
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So...back in town last night...and sister-in-law arrived in town for a week's visit tonight. (And I'm finally seeing the podiatrist tomorrow morning...although the arch is much, much, improved and I did get some running in on the treadmill at the hotel over the weekend.) Should be a challenging week for getting in any quality training...

Today - Rode 45 min. on trainer (~15 mi. @ ~20 mph)
Tomorrow - Swim intervals in the AM
Wed - Will ride in the AM, distance TBD
Thurs - Swim 2000+ in the AM, then lots of walking at Disneyland with wife and S-I-L
Fri - Hopefully a run if doctor is cool with it
Sat - Run (plan calls for 15 miles make-up long run orig. scheduled for two weeks ago -- we'll see...)
Sun - Ride (plan calls for 62 miles, but I've already hit that distance ahead of schedule, so may dial it back)

Hope y'all have a great week!

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