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 2012-11-02 3:08 PM in reply to: #4481134 |
Champion  11989      Philly 'burbs |  Subject: RE: Oh Sandy...otisbrown - 2012-11-02 3:57 PM Cant watch that video from work. Based on the articles that are coming out, we will never know what really happened and this will a battle of he said she said. Sadly, none of this surprises me. I suppose telling them they must join the union or they can't work is different from turning them away. The union gets to say we welcome everyone who wants to help. They just leave out the part about joining the union. I'm sure non union workers were welcomed in some places, but I'm also sure in other places they were not. |
| 2012-11-02 3:54 PM in reply to: #4481121 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Oh Sandy... tuwood - 2012-11-02 3:51 PM otisbrown - 2012-11-02 12:29 PM Was just going to post the same thing. Here is the important part: Jersey Central Power & Light spokesman Ron Morano said in an interview with News 12 New Jersey that JCP&L has welcomed all out-of-state crews. "We have not turned away any help," he said. "Absolutely not." Hopefully that is true the the story is a rumor. Interesting, I'm sure more will come out on this story. Here's an interview with one of the crew leaders who was turned away. The crew from Decatur, AL claims they were turned away at a staging area in Virginia after refusing to agree to IBEW conditions. Knowing what unions are like in Philly, I could believe that. I did think the Fox reporter was funny when he said it was over 24 hours to get from Decatur to VA. It's like an 8 hour drive. |
| 2012-11-02 4:52 PM in reply to: #4473759 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Oh Sandy... Wow, check out these pictures. absolutely amazing. http://www.abc.net.au/news/specials/hurricane-sandy-before-after-photos/ |
| 2012-11-02 6:15 PM in reply to: #4481041 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Oh Sandy... tuwood - 2012-11-02 2:26 PM oh, and on a side note. It's surreal how dependent we all are on "the matrix" If any link in the chain breaks it all goes down hill fast. Compound that with a densely populated area and it comes apart quick. Nothing is "coming apart". Power is coming back on. Stuff is getting fixed. Most people will be back at work and school on Monday and the recovery for the others will continue until their homes and businesses are rebuilt. There is an outpouring of support, both financial and physical/emotional towards those affected and, just like 9/11 and the blackout NY-ers are taking care of each other. Sorry to disappoint you. |
| 2012-11-02 9:00 PM in reply to: #4481479 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Oh Sandy... jmk-brooklyn - 2012-11-02 7:15 PM tuwood - 2012-11-02 2:26 PM oh, and on a side note. It's surreal how dependent we all are on "the matrix" If any link in the chain breaks it all goes down hill fast. Compound that with a densely populated area and it comes apart quick. Nothing is "coming apart". Power is coming back on. Stuff is getting fixed. Most people will be back at work and school on Monday and the recovery for the others will continue until their homes and businesses are rebuilt. There is an outpouring of support, both financial and physical/emotional towards those affected and, just like 9/11 and the blackout NY-ers are taking care of each other. Sorry to disappoint you. Thought I'd throw in a 'proud dad' comment. I just found out my son's girlfriend is heading to NY tomorrow to assist in recovery efforts. She's studying to be an EMT on her path to medical school. My son is going with her, planning to help out. He's in culinary school, so he'll make and serve food. As hard as it can be to raise kids, sometimes they surprise you and you think maybe you've done a decent job after all. Edited by BrianRunsPhilly 2012-11-02 9:00 PM |
| 2012-11-02 9:43 PM in reply to: #4481627 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Oh Sandy... BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-02 9:00 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-11-02 7:15 PM tuwood - 2012-11-02 2:26 PM oh, and on a side note. It's surreal how dependent we all are on "the matrix" If any link in the chain breaks it all goes down hill fast. Compound that with a densely populated area and it comes apart quick. Nothing is "coming apart". Power is coming back on. Stuff is getting fixed. Most people will be back at work and school on Monday and the recovery for the others will continue until their homes and businesses are rebuilt. There is an outpouring of support, both financial and physical/emotional towards those affected and, just like 9/11 and the blackout NY-ers are taking care of each other. Sorry to disappoint you. Thought I'd throw in a 'proud dad' comment. I just found out my son's girlfriend is heading to NY tomorrow to assist in recovery efforts. She's studying to be an EMT on her path to medical school. My son is going with her, planning to help out. He's in culinary school, so he'll make and serve food. As hard as it can be to raise kids, sometimes they surprise you and you think maybe you've done a decent job after all. Good for both of them. And you. |
| 2012-11-02 10:08 PM in reply to: #4473759 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Oh Sandy... Brian, 8hrs from Decatur to Alabama? Not in a bucket truck. It's 14 hrs by car. As for things going to pot. The Feds were banging on the door to come help in Katrina and Blanco and Ray Nagin were not letting them come down. The State has to request support which she did 9 days after the storm came ashore and the Feds granted immediately. Then she asked for more support which she received on the same day as the request. Christie asked before the storm hit and that's why the Feds were able to move so quickly. Lessons learned I guess The gas lines thing is not a pretty picture. That's why every gas station in Florida has a generator. 2005 taught FL a lot of hard lessons. One thing that stands out to me is that utility execs knew this day was coming and did not adequately prepare. Discovery Channel did a whole show on this scenario. And they didn't reinforce the grid, didn't improve levees, nothing. It was a Cat 2 storm when it came ashore. That's a big storm. But it shouldn't have ruined a significant swath of the NE. I hope things start to get better, but with winter coming on, I feel awful for people who lost everything. |
| 2012-11-02 10:29 PM in reply to: #4481479 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Oh Sandy... jmk-brooklyn - 2012-11-02 5:15 PM tuwood - 2012-11-02 2:26 PM oh, and on a side note. It's surreal how dependent we all are on "the matrix" If any link in the chain breaks it all goes down hill fast. Compound that with a densely populated area and it comes apart quick. Nothing is "coming apart". Power is coming back on. Stuff is getting fixed. Most people will be back at work and school on Monday and the recovery for the others will continue until their homes and businesses are rebuilt. There is an outpouring of support, both financial and physical/emotional towards those affected and, just like 9/11 and the blackout NY-ers are taking care of each other. Sorry to disappoint you. there is just a part of me that thinks Americans are whiners. Or at least that is what makes news... I was watching a story and this lady was screaming at official touring the site that she still has nothing and it has been 3 day. Exactly how many days do you think you should have all your comforts of life back after one of the worst storms to ever hit the NE? I mean she was talking about food water and gas.... but dang, it takes time. It is going to be a week easy. Nobody picks and chooses who to help... they just start where they can and get to work. you might be a while. And I also know they try to get to priorities sooner like old folks homes or what ever. I know there is a HUGE amount of good stuff going on. I got back to watching the Japaneese handle the tsunami... in their typical stoic way, no looting, no yelling, no arguing... just got to work and waited for like everyone else. It's s shame that DURING the emergency, fingers get pointed so soon. |
| 2012-11-02 10:58 PM in reply to: #4481684 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Oh Sandy... GomesBolt - 2012-11-02 11:08 PM Brian, 8hrs from Decatur to Alabama? Not in a bucket truck. It's 14 hrs by car. As for things going to pot. The Feds were banging on the door to come help in Katrina and Blanco and Ray Nagin were not letting them come down. The State has to request support which she did 9 days after the storm came ashore and the Feds granted immediately. Then she asked for more support which she received on the same day as the request. Christie asked before the storm hit and that's why the Feds were able to move so quickly. Lessons learned I guess The gas lines thing is not a pretty picture. That's why every gas station in Florida has a generator. 2005 taught FL a lot of hard lessons. One thing that stands out to me is that utility execs knew this day was coming and did not adequately prepare. Discovery Channel did a whole show on this scenario. And they didn't reinforce the grid, didn't improve levees, nothing. It was a Cat 2 storm when it came ashore. That's a big storm. But it shouldn't have ruined a significant swath of the NE. I hope things start to get better, but with winter coming on, I feel awful for people who lost everything. I thought they said Virginia? 8 hours from Decatur to Roanoke. Our power grid is aging. And I don't even want to think about a cyber attack. I worked for the government back in the early to mid 90's and we were already being hacked on a systematic basis. My uncle tried to bet back home today to his house in Ventnor, NJ. They got one town over (same island as Atlantic City) and were turned away. Fortunately they were able to get to his girlfriends house a few blocks away in Margate. What a mess. |
| 2012-11-02 11:17 PM in reply to: #4481700 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Oh Sandy... powerman - 2012-11-02 10:29 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-11-02 5:15 PM tuwood - 2012-11-02 2:26 PM oh, and on a side note. It's surreal how dependent we all are on "the matrix" If any link in the chain breaks it all goes down hill fast. Compound that with a densely populated area and it comes apart quick. Nothing is "coming apart". Power is coming back on. Stuff is getting fixed. Most people will be back at work and school on Monday and the recovery for the others will continue until their homes and businesses are rebuilt. There is an outpouring of support, both financial and physical/emotional towards those affected and, just like 9/11 and the blackout NY-ers are taking care of each other. Sorry to disappoint you. there is just a part of me that thinks Americans are whiners. Or at least that is what makes news... I was watching a story and this lady was screaming at official touring the site that she still has nothing and it has been 3 day. Exactly how many days do you think you should have all your comforts of life back after one of the worst storms to ever hit the NE? I mean she was talking about food water and gas.... but dang, it takes time. It is going to be a week easy. Nobody picks and chooses who to help... they just start where they can and get to work. you might be a while. And I also know they try to get to priorities sooner like old folks homes or what ever. I know there is a HUGE amount of good stuff going on. I got back to watching the Japaneese handle the tsunami... in their typical stoic way, no looting, no yelling, no arguing... just got to work and waited for like everyone else. It's s shame that DURING the emergency, fingers get pointed so soon. I think a lot of it is that it's what makes news. Most people I know are just dealing with it. At the risk of sounding like an inhumane d-bag, I would also point out that many (not all, but many) of those people you see on tv who are in the most dire straits--living in ruined low-lying neighborhoods with no electricity and with help slow to arrive, are in areas that were under a mandatory evacuation order. Now, it's entirely possible that they had good reasons not to obey the evacuation order, but I think it's also fairly likely that a lot of people heard the order and decided to ride out the storm. |
| 2012-11-02 11:33 PM in reply to: #4481730 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Oh Sandy... jmk-brooklyn - 2012-11-02 10:17 PM powerman - 2012-11-02 10:29 PM I think a lot of it is that it's what makes news. Most people I know are just dealing with it. At the risk of sounding like an inhumane d-bag, I would also point out that many (not all, but many) of those people you see on tv who are in the most dire straits--living in ruined low-lying neighborhoods with no electricity and with help slow to arrive, are in areas that were under a mandatory evacuation order. Now, it's entirely possible that they had good reasons not to obey the evacuation order, but I think it's also fairly likely that a lot of people heard the order and decided to ride out the storm. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-11-02 5:15 PM tuwood - 2012-11-02 2:26 PM oh, and on a side note. It's surreal how dependent we all are on "the matrix" If any link in the chain breaks it all goes down hill fast. Compound that with a densely populated area and it comes apart quick. Nothing is "coming apart". Power is coming back on. Stuff is getting fixed. Most people will be back at work and school on Monday and the recovery for the others will continue until their homes and businesses are rebuilt. There is an outpouring of support, both financial and physical/emotional towards those affected and, just like 9/11 and the blackout NY-ers are taking care of each other. Sorry to disappoint you. there is just a part of me that thinks Americans are whiners. Or at least that is what makes news... I was watching a story and this lady was screaming at official touring the site that she still has nothing and it has been 3 day. Exactly how many days do you think you should have all your comforts of life back after one of the worst storms to ever hit the NE? I mean she was talking about food water and gas.... but dang, it takes time. It is going to be a week easy. Nobody picks and chooses who to help... they just start where they can and get to work. you might be a while. And I also know they try to get to priorities sooner like old folks homes or what ever. I know there is a HUGE amount of good stuff going on. I got back to watching the Japaneese handle the tsunami... in their typical stoic way, no looting, no yelling, no arguing... just got to work and waited for like everyone else. It's s shame that DURING the emergency, fingers get pointed so soon. Ya... it's hard to say. I don't even want to take away all the good things and hard done by 100,000 of people. So the Waldo Canyon fire this summer, made national news, fire storm of epic proportions under the "perfect strom" conditions. the fire was going for a week. Local news was covering it 24/7 for a week. Looking at mandatory evacuation notices, and keeping up with "prepare to evacuate" notices. It was right in the cities back yard. Could not miss it. fire changed directions a few times and effected various people all over. Evacuations had a major impact on people an dbusiness.... people were complaining and hammering the officials when they could come home. The fire blew up that day. I wached it go off like a bomb over a couple of hours. Winds getting worse. Had to evacuate the West side housing community at rush hour. People said they litteraly had 15 minutes to get out. Roads were packed. Two people died. Officials were criticised that evacuations were too big/cautous. Officials were criticised evacuations were not fast enough and didn't give enough notice. After that day, officials were criticised that they were not letting people back in fast enough. It was ridiculous. It was 24/7 coverage for an entire WEEK. They knew they were in the danger areas under "pre-evacuation" orders! In the meantime.... the most incredible donation drive and charity I have ever seen in a community. So many people doing so much work for anyone and anything to help out any way they could. But the rotten apples spoil the bunch. |
| 2012-11-05 9:16 AM in reply to: #4481700 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Oh Sandy... powerman - 2012-11-02 10:29 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-11-02 5:15 PM tuwood - 2012-11-02 2:26 PM oh, and on a side note. It's surreal how dependent we all are on "the matrix" If any link in the chain breaks it all goes down hill fast. Compound that with a densely populated area and it comes apart quick. Nothing is "coming apart". Power is coming back on. Stuff is getting fixed. Most people will be back at work and school on Monday and the recovery for the others will continue until their homes and businesses are rebuilt. There is an outpouring of support, both financial and physical/emotional towards those affected and, just like 9/11 and the blackout NY-ers are taking care of each other. Sorry to disappoint you. there is just a part of me that thinks Americans are whiners. Or at least that is what makes news... I was watching a story and this lady was screaming at official touring the site that she still has nothing and it has been 3 day. Exactly how many days do you think you should have all your comforts of life back after one of the worst storms to ever hit the NE? I mean she was talking about food water and gas.... but dang, it takes time. It is going to be a week easy. Nobody picks and chooses who to help... they just start where they can and get to work. you might be a while. And I also know they try to get to priorities sooner like old folks homes or what ever. I know there is a HUGE amount of good stuff going on. I got back to watching the Japaneese handle the tsunami... in their typical stoic way, no looting, no yelling, no arguing... just got to work and waited for like everyone else. It's s shame that DURING the emergency, fingers get pointed so soon. And Rudy throws the first punch. Claims Obama's response is worse than Katrina. Uh-huh. Right. |
| 2012-11-05 9:32 AM in reply to: #4483926 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Oh Sandy... crowny2 - 2012-11-05 9:16 AM powerman - 2012-11-02 10:29 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-11-02 5:15 PM tuwood - 2012-11-02 2:26 PM oh, and on a side note. It's surreal how dependent we all are on "the matrix" If any link in the chain breaks it all goes down hill fast. Compound that with a densely populated area and it comes apart quick. Nothing is "coming apart". Power is coming back on. Stuff is getting fixed. Most people will be back at work and school on Monday and the recovery for the others will continue until their homes and businesses are rebuilt. There is an outpouring of support, both financial and physical/emotional towards those affected and, just like 9/11 and the blackout NY-ers are taking care of each other. Sorry to disappoint you. there is just a part of me that thinks Americans are whiners. Or at least that is what makes news... I was watching a story and this lady was screaming at official touring the site that she still has nothing and it has been 3 day. Exactly how many days do you think you should have all your comforts of life back after one of the worst storms to ever hit the NE? I mean she was talking about food water and gas.... but dang, it takes time. It is going to be a week easy. Nobody picks and chooses who to help... they just start where they can and get to work. you might be a while. And I also know they try to get to priorities sooner like old folks homes or what ever. I know there is a HUGE amount of good stuff going on. I got back to watching the Japaneese handle the tsunami... in their typical stoic way, no looting, no yelling, no arguing... just got to work and waited for like everyone else. It's s shame that DURING the emergency, fingers get pointed so soon. And Rudy throws the first punch. Claims Obama's response is worse than Katrina. Uh-huh. Right. Trying to take the political binders off for a second. I think it's impossible for any President to respond in a way that makes everyone happy in disasters like this. In Katrina the initial response seemed to be OK and Bush's famous "Good job Brownie" quote. Then after the days went by all the ugliness came out. Same thing with Sandy, the initial response looked real good and Obama was making out with Christie for the Camera's. Then after a few days the ugliness comes out. Katrina was a far worse disaster, so the ugliness was just greater. |
| 2012-11-05 4:31 PM in reply to: #4483968 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Oh Sandy... tuwood - 2012-11-05 9:32 AM crowny2 - 2012-11-05 9:16 AM powerman - 2012-11-02 10:29 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-11-02 5:15 PM tuwood - 2012-11-02 2:26 PM oh, and on a side note. It's surreal how dependent we all are on "the matrix" If any link in the chain breaks it all goes down hill fast. Compound that with a densely populated area and it comes apart quick. Nothing is "coming apart". Power is coming back on. Stuff is getting fixed. Most people will be back at work and school on Monday and the recovery for the others will continue until their homes and businesses are rebuilt. There is an outpouring of support, both financial and physical/emotional towards those affected and, just like 9/11 and the blackout NY-ers are taking care of each other. Sorry to disappoint you. there is just a part of me that thinks Americans are whiners. Or at least that is what makes news... I was watching a story and this lady was screaming at official touring the site that she still has nothing and it has been 3 day. Exactly how many days do you think you should have all your comforts of life back after one of the worst storms to ever hit the NE? I mean she was talking about food water and gas.... but dang, it takes time. It is going to be a week easy. Nobody picks and chooses who to help... they just start where they can and get to work. you might be a while. And I also know they try to get to priorities sooner like old folks homes or what ever. I know there is a HUGE amount of good stuff going on. I got back to watching the Japaneese handle the tsunami... in their typical stoic way, no looting, no yelling, no arguing... just got to work and waited for like everyone else. It's s shame that DURING the emergency, fingers get pointed so soon. And Rudy throws the first punch. Claims Obama's response is worse than Katrina. Uh-huh. Right. Trying to take the political binders off for a second. I think it's impossible for any President to respond in a way that makes everyone happy in disasters like this. In Katrina the initial response seemed to be OK and Bush's famous "Good job Brownie" quote. Then after the days went by all the ugliness came out. Same thing with Sandy, the initial response looked real good and Obama was making out with Christie for the Camera's. Then after a few days the ugliness comes out. Katrina was a far worse disaster, so the ugliness was just greater. Giuliani is criticizing Obama for being out campaigning rather than being in the Tri-State area doing...what? (Never mind that Giuliani made this comment at a campaign rally). Obama offered to tour the city with Mayor Bloomberg and was told, no thanks, we're good, but Bloomberg was gracious for the offers of assistance he's gotten from the POTUS. He toured with Gov. Christie and Christie was and has continued to be effusive about the assistance that he's gotten from the White house (much to the consternation of Limbaugh and the GOP). Senators Schumer and Gillibrand, and Gov. Cuomo have consistently praised the level of attention they've gotten from Obama when they've asked for it. Obama has ordered that anyone in his administration who is contacted by Christie/Bloomberg/Cuomo's office must return the call within 30 minutes and, if they don't, Cuomo et al should feel free to contact him personally, directly. He's done exactly what he should do and what Bush should have done, but didn't: expressed genuine concern, ask "how can I help?" and then assign competant experts in disaster management to the problem and then get out of their way. I fail to see any way in which the President could personally do anything to make this tragedy of historic proportions any better than he already has. This is a tragedy of historic proportions and, by nearly all objective accounts, the local, state, and federal agencies have been doing an outstanding job responding to it. Giuliani standing on the sidelines at a politcal rally for his opponent and armchair-quarterbacking the president is lame. |
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