Bad Children, Bad Parents (Page 3)
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() lisac957 - 2007-01-16 4:11 PM Marvarnett - 2007-01-16 1:39 PM Kids just don't pop out. And we don't have litters DING DING DING! I say this as a person without children, and by choice. I understand that parents get exhausted and drained and all kind of other emotions going on. I've seen this observing my sister and her kids, one who was diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes at 9 months, and the other (3 yrs old) who is in intense behavior, occupational and speech therapies. Not once have I seen her just not pay attention or not care or let them do what they want because she was exhausted-- and trust me, she is always exhausted. If people are not prepared to be parents (in all situations, not just the easy times), they should take preventive measures. /end rant I hear you, but I don't think anyone ever knows for certain that they're prepared. How can anyone be prepared for anything "in all situations"? How do you plan to have an autistic kid? Or to raise your kids after your spouse passes away? As with the example of the woman in the store, as fantastic a job as your sister is doing with her kids, you'd have to agree that you don't see her and her kids 24/7/365, and, while I'm not suggesting that she ever lets them run wild in a grocery store, I don't think anyone's capable of being the absolute perfect parent 100% of the time. I think, as someone else suggested, that we ought to be cautious about labeling this woman as a "bad parent" as the thread title does, on the basis of one instance. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ..with the exception of the woman we saw with her two pre-school-age kids at a 10pm showing of American Psycho. Any way you, um, slice it, she's a bad parent. I'll give you that one. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() We see people bring babies and toddlers to adult movies all the time...it drives me nuts...We actually had to leave a theatre for fear of our lives. We were watching a bugs life...and the guy down the isle from us was letting his two kids run up and down the isle...they would run to my partner and hit him...then run back. My partner reported this to the manager. The parent got so upset that he threatened our lives...He said it was a kids movie and kids are suppose to act like that...I said, they aren't suppose to be hitting people no matter if they are in the movie theatre....this all took place in the front row, during the movie...The guy was bigger than me...and looked like he knew how to fight...the manager, who looked like he was 12 (probably 19-21 years old) didn't know what to do...He just kept saying...sir, you can't threaten someone, please sit down. Once the manager got him seated...we left...In a childs movie, I expect to have kids restless, crying...even moving...but I don't want them running up and down isles and touching or hitting me or my partner. As for the title of this thread...I meant to put a ??? after it...sorry...I am not calling her a bad parent...she obviously loves her children, but I think she chooses not to discipline them...and the comment she made of how people look at her strange when she goes out with her kids, made me think that this was not a one time occurance. Kids hiding in clothes racks...now thats cute...I use to do that...I remember playing hide and seek with my mother in a store once...I guess I should have told her we were playing that though...when the security guard found me because my mother was frantic...well, I will never play that again unless everyone is aware of the rules.
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() My father once spanked someone else's kids at a park where my family was having a picnic. A little girl flipped him the bird, and he spanked her, not half of what I would have gotten. The girl's dad got up to confront my dad, and my dad made him sit down, telling him "If you were any kind of man, I wouldn't have had to spank your kids." Try that in 2007. |
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Science Nerd ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() As a store cashier, I can tell you that saying things to parents sometimes generates complaints to your manager. Or, worse, complaints about your store to your district manager. It's not worth it unless the child is doing something that can hurt them. I'm not going to get myself or my managers in trouble because someone doesn't want to discipline their child unless I can justify it with a good reason. Unfortunately, annoying other people doesn't count. We live in an age where it's just not acceptable for people to be critical of other people's actions (for the most part). runningwoof - 2007-01-16 3:56 PM I actually think that its the clerks responsibility to say something...and the people behind me were already saying something to the kids...When I worked at the Y and we had unruley kids...you bet I said something to the parents...It was a liability if I didn't. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() after working as a lifeguard and being basically a free babysitter (what was I going to do? No kid, you can't come to the pool, you have to go sit at home when no one is home to watch you). I'd rather have a non-disciplining adult than have a 7 year old "baby sitting" a 3 year old. to tell you another horror story, there was this girl who was maybe 13. She was in charge of watching her maybe 3 year old brother. Girl would bring baby brother and baby sister to the pool, be in the shallow end for a little with them, then set them on their towels and go play with the boys. One of the boys grabbed the baby brother and THREW HIM IN 4FT OF WATER!!!! I had an absolute PSYCHOTIC SNAP. I jumped in the pool, grabbed the poor baby who promptly started crying threw up all over the place from swallowing about a gallon of water I whistled EVERYONE out of the pool, Went over to the boy, handed the child to another lifeguard, and nearly carried said young gentleman out of my pool and took his pool tag in the process. Then my head guard and I addressed the "caretaker". I don't think I have ever YELLED so much in my life. Her defense, "he's 3 years old, he can swim!". WHAT?! YOU NEARLY FREAKING KILLED THE CHILD!!!! YOU COULD HAVE KILLED HIM! Later that night I had a death threat left on my car in the parking lot and said "caretakers" father also filed a complaint w/ my office saying that I was "unduly targeting" his daughter. WHAT? Excuse me? She nearly killed your baby! I've never been more tempted to hit someone in my life. I fully believe in non-violence, but the sheer stupidity and DANGER of this situation is what nearly pushed me over the edge. And this, my friends, is why I got out of public works. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Artemis - 2007-01-17 8:41 AM As a store cashier, I can tell you that saying things to parents sometimes generates complaints to your manager. Or, worse, complaints about your store to your district manager. It's not worth it unless the child is doing something that can hurt them. I'm not going to get myself or my managers in trouble because someone doesn't want to discipline their child unless I can justify it with a good reason. Unfortunately, annoying other people doesn't count. We live in an age where it's just not acceptable for people to be critical of other people's actions (for the most part). runningwoof - 2007-01-16 3:56 PM I actually think that its the clerks responsibility to say something...and the people behind me were already saying something to the kids...When I worked at the Y and we had unruley kids...you bet I said something to the parents...It was a liability if I didn't. I agree...but these kids were jumping on store equipment that could be damaged or they could have been hurt. That is the stores responsibility. When I worked at the Y. We got our share of complaints...the trick was to document everything...if you think someone is going to complain you logged it ahead of time. When district comes back...a good manager, already being informed, would stand up for your decision and back you up with the fact of what happen. Usually district would rather loose a client or two than have a million $$$ law suit because their clerk was afraid to speak up. Again tho...documentation and communication was the key. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() F.O.G. - 2007-01-17 11:40 AM My father once spanked someone else's kids at a park where my family was having a picnic. A little girl flipped him the bird, and he spanked her, not half of what I would have gotten. The girl's dad got up to confront my dad, and my dad made him sit down, telling him "If you were any kind of man, I wouldn't have had to spank your kids." Try that in 2007. I would have knocked your fathers teeth down his throat!!!! No one touches my child but me. If my child acts up it's up to me and my wife to discipline our child. If we have made a choice not to use corporal punishment it's not up to some other idiot in a park to circumvent our authority. Even if we're right or wrong. After I finished with your father then I would have disciplined my child for flipping someone the bird. But that's up to me...not to some stranger!!! Your dad woulda been spittin' teeth by the time I was finished. |
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Buttercup ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() F.O.G. - 2007-01-17 11:40 AM My father once spanked someone else's kids at a park where my family was having a picnic. A little girl flipped him the bird, and he spanked her, not half of what I would have gotten. The girl's dad got up to confront my dad, and my dad made him sit down, telling him "If you were any kind of man, I wouldn't have had to spank your kids." Try that in 2007. Thank goodness your father would now be charged with assault in 2007. |
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Buttercup![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I used to be very judgmental about mothers in grocery stores with bawling babies or tantrumming toddlers. Then my sisters started having babies and I learned to have more compassion for mommies and their plight. Now when I see a bawling baby or toddler and a stressed out mom in the store, I smile or coo at the baby, try to distract the baby for just a few minutes, tell the toddler in a very gentle voice to be good. The Mommy always seem relieved that a) the baby is no longer bawling and b) I didn't shoot her a nasty, judgmental look. Edited by Renee 2007-01-17 12:31 PM |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Renee - 2007-01-17 9:29 AM I used to be very judgmental about mothers in grocery stores with bawling babies or tantrumming toddlers. Then my sisters started having babies and I learned to have more compassion for mommies and their plight. Now when I see a bawling baby or toddler and a stressed out mom in the store, I smile or coo at the baby, try to distract the baby for just a few minutes, tell the toddler in a very gentle voice to be good. The Mommy always seem relieved that a) the baby is no longer bawling and b) I didn't shoot her a nasty, judgmental look. Renee, I constantly find myself nodding my head and thinking "that's what I wanted to say" when I read your posts. Well said once again. It's nice for someone who has never had children to sit and pass judgment on those of us who do, but you know what, walk a mile in our shoes. I'm not saying there aren't a LOT of stupid parents out there (as evidenced by some of the stories above) and I have plenty of war stories of what I've witnessed as well. And i've also gotten involved. I was in a parking lot and heard a kid screaming. The walkway was shielded by trees so I couldn't see what was going on but it sounded like the kid was getting the crap beaten out of her and I could see a mother through the trees reaching down towards the kid. My stomach hit my throat and my adrenaline started pumping b/c I was sure this kid was being abused. I walked over behind the trees and saw this poor woman, completely at wits end, trying to get her kid in the stroller (must have been about 4) and the kid is in hysterics so much she's hiccuping and can't 'catch her breath. Throwing a classic temper tantruum. Immediately the scene changed for me when the woman, when she saw me, started to cry. She was completely undone. "I'm just tryinng to get her in her stroller. I can't 'make her stop crying. I don't know what to do." She had officially lost it. I went over to the little girl and tried to talk to her. I had one of my son's toys with me and tried to do what I could to calm the hysterics while the mom was standing there sobbing beside me. All I could think of was that I had been that undone before. As an infant, my son had one of those days (any parent can relate). Nothing worked. He was fed, dry, comfortable, warm and would_not_stop_crying no matter what I did. Finally I put him in his crib, made sure he was safe and closed the door on his hysterics. I then proceeded to walk into my room, sit in the corner in the dark and just sob uncontrollably b/c I didn't know what to do. I felt for that woman and did what I could to help her, which, that day, was to let her cry and commiserate and try to relate to her plight. The little girl finally calmed down, got in her stroller and they went their ways. I went back to my car, shaken and empty. You don't know what it's like unless you've been there, folks. so be easy on the judgment. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Renee - 2007-01-17 10:29 AM I used to be very judgmental about mothers in grocery stores with bawling babies or tantrumming toddlers. Then my sisters started having babies and I learned to have more compassion for mommies and their plight. Now when I see a bawling baby or toddler and a stressed out mom in the store, I smile or coo at the baby, try to distract the baby for just a few minutes, tell the toddler in a very gentle voice to be good. The Mommy always seem relieved that a) the baby is no longer bawling and b) I didn't shoot her a nasty, judgmental look. I will do this too...when the child is crying or slightly misbehaving. Children like to look at their reflection in my bald head...so it seems to keep them satisfied for a while. |
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Buttercup![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() crpadiem - 2007-01-17 1:47 PM Renee, I constantly find myself nodding my head and thinking "that's what I wanted to say" when I read your posts. Well said once again.
I remember going to my sister's house to watch her first born son. She was so EXHAUSTED, physically and emotionally. And even with the exhaustion, she refused to hand me the baby. She tried to tell me that he didn't let anyone hold him except her. I looked at her like she was NUTSO and said "Gimme that baby" and swooped him right out of her arms. He loved me OF COURSE. Then I sent her to bed and played with him for hours, fed him, bathed him, put him to bed then read a magazine while the two of them got some sleep. Mom came over and cleaned the kitchen. Poor sis just needed SLEEP! Edited by Renee 2007-01-17 1:02 PM |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Renee - 2007-01-17 9:59 AM crpadiem - 2007-01-17 1:47 PM Renee, I constantly find myself nodding my head and thinking "that's what I wanted to say" when I read your posts. Well said once again.
I remember going to my sister's house to watch her first born son. She was so EXHAUSTED, physically and emotionally. And even with the exhaustion, she refused to hand me the baby. She tried to tell me that he didn't let anyone hold him except her. I looked at her like she was NUTSO and said "Gimme that baby" and swooped him right out of her arms. He loved me OF COURSE. Then I sent her to bed and played with him for hours, fed him, bathed him, put him to bed then read a magazine while the two of them got some sleep. Mom came over and cleaned the kitchen. Poor sis just need SLEEP! oh, god, the memories And Jack? Totally fine. Totally happy. To the point I was liike, "Waiiiiit, I carried you for NINE MONTHS and went through 20 HOURS OF LABOR and you're going turncoat on me so easy???" ![]() |
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Buttercup![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() A very well-done ramble, Courtney! ![]() |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Perhaps a different tanget/hijack. How come none of these stories/memories include Dad. Where is Dad? Does Dad not go grocery shopping with the kids. Is Dad not letting the kids run around. Just curious. I would hope that if anyone had a story to tell about any kids I had, I'd be in the story. good or bad. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Marvarnett - 2007-01-17 11:30 AM Perhaps a different tanget/hijack. How come none of these stories/memories include Dad. Where is Dad? Does Dad not go grocery shopping with the kids. Is Dad not letting the kids run around. Just curious. I would hope that if anyone had a story to tell about any kids I had, I'd be in the story. good or bad. My movie post had dad threatening to kill my partner and I...does that count. |
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Buttercup![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Marvarnett - 2007-01-17 2:30 PM Perhaps a different tanget/hijack. How come none of these stories/memories include Dad. Where is Dad? Does Dad not go grocery shopping with the kids. Is Dad not letting the kids run around. Just curious. I would hope that if anyone had a story to tell about any kids I had, I'd be in the story. good or bad. Can't speak for others but in my experience, Dad is rarely to be seen. |
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COURT JESTER![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Renee - 2007-01-17 12:42 PM Marvarnett - 2007-01-17 2:30 PM Perhaps a different tanget/hijack. How come none of these stories/memories include Dad. Where is Dad? Does Dad not go grocery shopping with the kids. Is Dad not letting the kids run around. Just curious. I would hope that if anyone had a story to tell about any kids I had, I'd be in the story. good or bad. Can't speak for others but in my experience, Dad is rarely to be seen. Had to think for several minutes as I thought I was having a delusion or some other sort of mental static going on. In fast, I wasn’t. I actually AGREE with Renee on that one. It took me a few moments to respond as I had to pick myself off the floor. I am proud to be the exception. ...or was I agreeing with Marvarnett?? either way..... Edited by tupuppy 2007-01-17 1:56 PM |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() runningwoof - 2007-01-17 2:32 PM Marvarnett - 2007-01-17 11:30 AM Perhaps a different tanget/hijack. How come none of these stories/memories include Dad. Where is Dad? Does Dad not go grocery shopping with the kids. Is Dad not letting the kids run around. Just curious. I would hope that if anyone had a story to tell about any kids I had, I'd be in the story. good or bad. My movie post had dad threatening to kill my partner and I...does that count. Since it's your thread....it can count. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I honestly never expected this thread to go so long...thought I was just venting and that no one would really chime in...wow...I've made it to 3 pages...I think thats a record for me. |
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