Cheney bags a lawyer (Page 3)

Considering how the right treated the Clintons after Vince Foster's suicide maybe the rumor mills should crank it up, just a little.

btw if there's any lawyers out there. There was an article in our local rag, I believe an AP report about a person being arrested for various crimes including possession of a sawed off shotgun....the charge was "possession of weapons of mass destruction"....is this possible or was the reporter pulling our chain?

Now this is just funny...

http://dickcheneyquailhunt.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

Wow...that's great. 

I still say hunting accidents are always funny. 

Lara - 2006-02-14 10:11 AM lol.. for the record NONE of this would be funny if the guy was seriously injured or killed.. the injuries were minor.. so let's all have a good chuckle

This from the Daily Show last night:

"Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot a man during a quail hunt ... making 78-year-old Harry Whittington the first person shot by a sitting veep since Alexander Hamilton. Hamilton, of course, (was) shot in a duel with Aaron Burr over issues of honor, integrity and political maneuvering. Whittington? Mistaken for a bird."

Not really. A guy from my hometown shot his own son in the head. Nothing further from funny.

On the lighter side, I hear Democrats on the hill are walking around singing "Cheney's got a gun.... Cheney's got a gun..... everybody is on the run.... 'cause Cheney has got a gun."

I realize Jim is just being funny, but they do happen, and they can be tragic.  A guy one year above me in med school was killed in a hunting accident just before he was to graduate.  Left behind a new bride too.

Ok, back to jokes.

So when the hunters, the ones with the guns stumble into the line of fire, it's tragic.

But when the animals get shot, it's not?

Just throwing that out there, cause I like to stir the post. I'm not exactly a PETA supporter, and really have no problem with hunting. But when goofballs play in the woods with loaded weapons, I'm not crying when they shoot each other. It's tragic, but only in that these careless people can pretty easily wreck the lives of others.

Guns are dangerous...they kill people.

Wow, that's out of left field.  Cars kill people too.  Don't feel bad when somebody dies in a car wreck?

"But when goofballs play in the woods with loaded weapons...."

C'mon, man.  That's just being ignorant.  You're either completely clueless about hunting, or you're just being contrary.  Most people I know who go hunting are very conscientious about safety and aren't "goofing off".  Nearly every one eats the meat of the animals they're hunting too, so it's no less tragic than if you eat hamburgers.

By the sound of your post, you'd think people are out there playing cops and robbers with shotguns.

Again...sort of throwing that out there for argument's sake.

The difference between cars and guns: cars are designed for transportation. Guns are designed solely to kill or injure.

And if you're "consciencious about safety", why are you pulling the trigger with a person in front of you?

MOST people I know are conscientious about safety.  You're misrepresenting my words.

And what's the difference in the intended use of the object?  Are people any less dead when hit by a car?  In the end, it's the person's personal responsbility to use each in the appropriate manner and to not cause harm to others.

I'll rephase it a little. I would be sad if a non-hunter...someone using the woods for other purposes besides hunting, was injured by a hunter.

But if you're hunting, you're purposefully participating in an arguably dangerous activity, one where you know firearms will be discharged; where you know guns will be pointed at breathing things in an effort to make them stop breathing.

This is a different scenario than going out drving your car. If I knew people would purposefully be aiming their cars in an effort to inflict damage, then I'd stay in my house. I wouldn't walk out in the middle of a demoplition derby, for example.

Again. I have no problem with hunters. I especially don't have a problem with hunters who, in your words, use guns in an appropriate manner. But I'm talking about people who *don't* use them in an appropriate manner. When I say "goofballs," I'm not talking about hunters who know what they are doing. I'm talking about hunter's who pull the trigger when they don't know what they are shooting at.

I also don't feel sad when I hear about so-called Darwain Award winners--to me this stuff falls in the same category.

No, this is the exact same scenario.  You know that going out riding in a car, you will be surrounded by people going 80mph who have no intention of hitting you but may do so by accident.  When you go hunting, you know you'll be around people shooting with no intention of hitting you but may do so by accident.

What happens to the animals has nothing to do with the point at hand.

By the way, here are some statistics for this "horribly dangerous" practice.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree here, I guess. I see them as entirely different scenarios.

Again: cars not designed to kill, but can if used improperly; guns designed to kill no matter how they are used. 

I'd bet that hunting injuries are, on balance, more grave than for those other sports. Got any statistics on fatalities?

Guns used in hunting are NOT designed to kill people.  That's the difference.  Your scenario is only true if people go out hunting with the intention of shooting other people.  They don't, and that makes the two entirely the same.

That particular site didn't have fatality statistics, but here's some for automobiles.  The years run from 2003 on the far left backwards.

So the fatality rate for drivers is over three times the INJURY rate for hunters.

Wow, Jim. Pretty heartless. This guy was cleaning his gun, it discharged in his son's face at point-blank range. He made a huge mistake, but it's still sadder than anything. I was in High School with the kid's sister and I was in the room when she heard what happened. I don't even have words for the experience.

You know that biking on the road next to what amounts to huge projectiles, some drivers  have it out for you and some of whom are intoxicated, is dangerous. Should those who don't bike, don't understand about biking laugh when bikers are killed? In Montana, everyone hunts and I don't know anyone who does it just to shoot a living thing. They process the meat themselves and eat all of the meat. Do you laugh when slaughterhouse workers who provide your meat die on the job?

They are designed to kill whatever they are pointed at.

Cars are not designed to kill; cars are designed for transportation. Guns have no other purpose than to kill. 

Which, again, is irrelevant to the point at hand.  You don't go with the intention of shooting people.  You don't drive with the intention of hitting others.