Cheney bags a lawyer (Page 4)
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![]() | ![]() I give both of you guys - Derek and Jim - credit for presenting interesting and rational points of view. And for doing it without cheap shotting each other. I don't know if this is an argument that can be "won". The one thing in the conversation I can't get over regardless of which side is being presented is the tragic loss of life. Even if it is an irresponsible, beer-swilling, gun toting moron who might have contributed to their own demise the loss can still be tragic. That person may have had a wife, kids, etc. who loved and needed that person and their loss, no matter how it came about, is tragic. If it is a hunter shot by another hunter it may be ironic, but I think I would stop short of calling it funny. Now this thread, on the other hand, could go back to being funny. Really. It could. Please, someone make it funny. |
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Giver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() My point is just that guns are inherently dangerous, and if you undertake activities that use them, you have to be prepared for the consequences. It is tragic, and it is sad. But to me it's part of the cost of playing the game. This is a perfect example of why I'd never have a gun anywhere near my daughter. kimj81 - 2006-02-14 1:10 PM Wow, Jim. Pretty heartless. This guy was cleaning his gun, it discharged in his son's face at point-blank range. He made a huge mistake, but it's still sadder than anything. I was in High School with the kid's sister and I was in the room when she heard what happened. I don't even have words for the experience. You know that biking on the road next to what amounts to huge projectiles, some drivers have it out for you and some of whom are intoxicated, is dangerous. Should those who don't bike, don't understand about biking laugh when bikers are killed? In Montana, everyone hunts and I don't know anyone who does it just to shoot a living thing. They process the meat themselves and eat all of the meat. Do you laugh when slaughterhouse workers who provide your meat die on the job? |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Jim's a closet Republican. hangloose - 2006-02-14 12:13 PM I give both of you guys - Derek and Jim - credit for presenting interesting and rational points of view. And for doing it without cheap shotting each other. I don't know if this is an argument that can be "won". The one thing in the conversation I can't get over regardless of which side is being presented is the tragic loss of life. Even if it is an irresponsible, beer-swilling, gun toting moron who might have contributed to their own demise the loss can still be tragic. That person may have had a wife, kids, etc. who loved and needed that person and their loss, no matter how it came about, is tragic. If it is a hunter shot by another hunter it may be ironic, but I think I would stop short of calling it funny. Now this thread, on the other hand, could go back to being funny. Really. It could. Please, someone make it funny. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() But that's why I pointed out those statistics. There's nothing inherently dangerous about a gun. There's something dangerous about somebody careless using a gun. Same could be said for a lot of things. I respect the fact that you're keeping your child safe though. You might wanna get a fake one to polish in front of her futures boyfriends though. run4yrlif - 2006-02-14 12:14 PM My point is just that guns are inherently dangerous, and if you undertake activities that use them, you have to be prepared for the consequences. It is tragic, and it is sad. But to me it's part of the cost of playing the game. This is a perfect example of why I'd never have a gun anywhere near my daughter. Edited by DerekL 2006-02-14 12:17 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm actually in favor of some gun control, but it seems like thats what negligent homicide laws are for - both with guns and cars. Sometimes its an accident, but if its gross negligence you hold that person responsible. |
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Giver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() hangloose - 2006-02-14 1:13 PM If it is a hunter shot by another hunter it may be ironic, but I think I would stop short of calling it funny. From one of my original posts in this thread (many, many posts ago): "My take was that this was funny in an ironic way..." I agree that it's not a gut buster. More of a head shaker. |
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Giver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I heard Derek's gonna vote for Hilary... DerekL - 2006-02-14 1:14 PM Jim's a closet Republican. |
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Giver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Nah...they'll be plenty intimidated by the twin guns I keep at the ends of my shoulders. Heh... DerekL - 2006-02-14 1:16 PM
I respect the fact that you're keeping your child safe though. You might wanna get a fake one to polish in front of her futures boyfriends though. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() MY point was that it is not funny, it is tragic when people die in hunting accidents. Glad to see you've come around. You're right, it is an inherent risk that hunters are ALL aware of and mitigate as well as they can if they are good hunters. But it's not funny. The Cheney thing is funny though. In a quote from Bush, in a 2000 interview with the Houston Chronicle, he hailed Cheney as "somebody who is going to shoot straight with the American people." Watch out! run4yrlif - 2006-02-14 10:14 AM My point is just that guns are inherently dangerous, and if you undertake activities that use them, you have to be prepared for the consequences. It is tragic, and it is sad. But to me it's part of the cost of playing the game. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() From an article on MSNBC: On "The Daily Show" last night, Jon Stewart, speaking as a "concerned parent," urged viewers never to let their children go on hunting trips with the vice president. "I can't emphasize this enough," Stewart said. "I don't care what kind of lucrative contracts they're trying to land, or energy regulation they're trying to get lifted. . . . He'll shoot them in the face." Likewise, David Letterman's Top 10 list was devoted to "Dick Cheney's excuses," which included that he "thought the guy was trying to go gay cowboy on me." |
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![]() | ![]() run4yrlif - 2006-02-14 12:21 PM Nah...they'll be plenty intimidated by the twin guns I keep at the ends of my shoulders. Heh... Put back up the avatar of that red helmet with four sticks coming out of it and that post will REALLY be funny! |
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Giver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() In my defense, those sticks have some pretty impressive girth to them. hangloose - 2006-02-14 1:26 PM run4yrlif - 2006-02-14 12:21 PM Nah...they'll be plenty intimidated by the twin guns I keep at the ends of my shoulders. Heh... Put back up the avatar of that red helmet with four sticks coming out of it and that post will REALLY be funny! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() from the Daily Show: ------------------------- The other player in the drama? Ranch owner and eyewitness Katharine Armstrong. Katharine Armstrong: "We were shooting a covey of quail. The vice president and two others got out of the car to walk up the covey." Jon Stewart: "What kind of hunting story begins with getting out of your car? As I sighted the great beast before us, my shaking hands could barely engage the parking brake. Slowly, I turned off the A/C and silenced my sub-woofers…" ------------------------------- Katharine Armstrong: "A bird flushed. The vice president took aim at the bird and shot and unfortunately, Mr. Whittington was in the line of fire and got peppered pretty well." Jon Stewart: "Peppered. There you have it. Harry Whittington, seasoned to within an inch of his life. -------------------------------------------- Jon Stewart: "I'm joined now by our own vice-presidential firearms mishap analyst, Rob Corddry. Rob, obviously a very unfortunate situation. How is the vice president handling it? Rob Corddry: "Jon, tonight the vice president is standing by his decision to shoot Harry Wittington. According to the best intelligence available, there were quail hidden in the brush. Everyone believed at the time there were quail in the brush. "And while the quail turned out to be a 78-year-old man, even knowing that today, Mr. Cheney insists he still would have shot Mr. Whittington in the face. He believes the world is a better place for his spreading buckshot throughout the entire region of Mr. Whittington's face." Jon Stewart: "But why, Rob? If he had known Mr. Whittington was not a bird, why would he still have shot him?" Rob Corddry: "Jon, in a post-9-11 world, the American people expect their leaders to be decisive. To not have shot his friend in the face would have sent a message to the quail that America is weak." Jon Stewart: "That's horrible." Rob Corddry: "Look, the mere fact that we're even talking about how the vice president drives up with his rich friends in cars to shoot farm-raised wingless quail-tards is letting the quail know 'how' we're hunting them. I'm sure right now those birds are laughing at us in that little 'covey' of theirs. Jon Stewart: "I'm not sure birds can laugh, Rob." Rob Corddry: "Well, whatever it is they do … coo .. they're cooing at us right now, Jon, because here we are talking openly about our plans to hunt them. Jig is up. Quails one, America zero. Jon Stewart: "Okay, well, on a purely human level, is the vice president at least sorry?" Rob Corddry: "Jon, what difference does it make? The bullets are already in this man's face. Let's move forward across party lines as a people … to get him some sort of mask." |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() "The Vice President says that it was an accident. He claims the guy got in his line of fire, but the good news was he was delicious. Eat what you shoot!" --Jimmy Kimmel |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Aw, the guy just had a heart attack due to bird shot lodged in his heart. Not funny. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11340558/ |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I was just talking about this to somebody else. I doubt very seriously the guy had a heart attack. The mechanism for it happening just isn't there. IMHO of course. kimj81 - 2006-02-14 12:57 PM Aw, the guy just had a heart attack due to bird shot lodged in his heart. Not funny. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11340558/ |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Yeah, the White House probably just faked the story to get everyone to stop with the Cheney jokes already. DerekL - 2006-02-14 11:02 AM I was just talking about this to somebody else. I doubt very seriously the guy had a heart attack. The mechanism for it happening just isn't there. IMHO of course. kimj81 - 2006-02-14 12:57 PM Aw, the guy just had a heart attack due to bird shot lodged in his heart. Not funny. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11340558/ |
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![]() | ![]() Dammit, things were finally funny again, too.
It's all about the girth, Jim, you're the one with a thread devoted to you BT hotties! |
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Member![]() ![]() | ![]() Wow! I hadn't seen that they had been in a car! The VP is a certified redneck! The incident probably started something like this: "Lets get out here, boys. Now, hold my beer, watch this." |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() kimj81 - 2006-02-14 10:07 AM Yeah, the White House probably just faked the story to get everyone to stop with the Cheney jokes already. DerekL - 2006-02-14 11:02 AM I was just talking about this to somebody else. I doubt very seriously the guy had a heart attack. The mechanism for it happening just isn't there. IMHO of course. kimj81 - 2006-02-14 12:57 PM Aw, the guy just had a heart attack due to bird shot lodged in his heart. Not funny. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11340558/ Everyone knows that hearts can't attack. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ChuckyFinster - 2006-02-14 2:26 PM kimj81 - 2006-02-14 10:07 AM Everyone knows that hearts can't attack. Yeah, the White House probably just faked the story to get everyone to stop with the Cheney jokes already. DerekL - 2006-02-14 11:02 AM I was just talking about this to somebody else. I doubt very seriously the guy had a heart attack. The mechanism for it happening just isn't there. IMHO of course. kimj81 - 2006-02-14 12:57 PM Aw, the guy just had a heart attack due to bird shot lodged in his heart. Not funny. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11340558/ Yeah, only Vice Presidents can do that. |
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