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2005-03-01 11:52 AM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?

Ron,

I think change is good.  We will just have to get used to the new look and feel of it.  

Dave



2005-03-01 4:24 PM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?
I'm still getting used to the change, but it is growing on me. I REALLY like the weather information. That is great!

Thanks for your hard work!
2005-03-01 4:55 PM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?
Spanner, the site really should not be loading appreciably slower than before. After HTTP compression the average page size is only ~ 10KB (assuming the images download only once). Could it be something else? I know the site gets slow around 6AM/Noon/12PM/Midnight EST when the weather data and blogger statistics are re-computed. Maybe you're hitting it during those times?

Still trying to get lots of little things sorted out. Thanks.
2005-03-01 6:42 PM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?
At first I didn't like it, but now after a few days, I'm starting to get the hang of having everything in a different place and where to find things, etc. I REALLY like the Blogger.

Mike
2005-03-01 11:42 PM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?
Still having long page loading times here on a DSL line. It's 11:30pm EST. I miss the quotes,too.
2005-03-01 11:48 PM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?

I think the new layout is beautiful. I haven't had any navigational problems or technical glitches. I do miss the inspirational quotes at the top of the page, but I can live with that.

Great job, Ron, Matt, Marmadaddy, and everyone else who worked on this update!



2005-03-02 7:27 AM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?
My only complaint right now is that I can't participate in the forums unless I'm willing to spend a good hour or more. The load times on dial-up for the forums is insane...are there settings on my side that I can change to skip loading certain parts of a web page? What I think is happening is the page won't show anything until all the avatars are completed, where as, the old BT design script would show up while the avatars where still downloading. This would be a very discouraging thing to a "beginner" person(s) who was checking out the site.

OK, one other thought.

I'm still having difficulty navigating through the blogs. Seems like a lot of empty space on the left hand side which cramps all the blogs on the right. I know I'm one of the few who logs every aspect of everyday but now it's difficult to read what is what...for example...why does the % sign for body fat show on the top line next to my RHR? Would be nice to see all that stuff in one row or split in half and equally centered.

I've got to head out to work now, I've run out of my normal time to surf BT before I head out...I'll be sure to come back later tomorrow and finish what I was saying.

Thanks for just having such a great place as this Ron.
2005-03-02 7:59 AM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?

No, I do not like it at all!  I find it too confusing.  Hey!  I am getting old and inflexable!!!

2005-03-02 8:46 AM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?

The site looks nice and crisp.  One suggestion- when I look at my training log I see a set of icons next to the calendar.  What the heck are those icons?  Only the magnifying glass seems intuitive to me.  I would like to see the function associated with the icon when I scroll over it.

I have yet to become a paying member.  I certainly have no complaints about the free web version!  Thanks for all the great work.

Debi

2005-03-02 12:30 PM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?

I liked the old format for the following reasons:

1. My screen is set to 1600x1200, I liked the stretchy settings before, now I have to scroll, and there is too much wasted space on the sides.  Also, the column formating wraps too much messing up all the text formating I have in the goals, training logs, etc.

2. What happend too the random inspiration messages?  That was the #1 thing I liked, please add them back to the training logs. 

3. Need pop up descriptions over the quick links (next to the calendar).

Thanks for all the effort you put into the website for our community.

Rob



Edited by H13 2005-03-02 12:33 PM

2005-03-02 12:34 PM
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You can't say "quo tes" cause it messes up the posts.


2005-03-02 1:31 PM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?
quotes
2005-03-02 1:34 PM
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Well I don't know why, but when I was making my post (3 up) I put in "random quotes" and it keep making it into the  format like I was quoting someone.

Edited by H13 2005-03-02 1:36 PM
2005-03-02 1:35 PM
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oops, double post



Edited by H13 2005-03-02 1:35 PM
2005-03-02 3:10 PM
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> Well I don't know why,

It was my fault. :-D
2005-03-02 4:35 PM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?
imnotjoking and h13...working on blog instructions and icon descriptions...we will attach hover text to them too...


2005-03-02 8:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?
With th new site design, it seems like there are a lot more images to load, little spacers and the like. I don't know if that would make it appreciably slower, but nonetheless, load times are still slow. Even with a DSL, browsing the forums is not as fun anymore because of delays in loading, can't scroll screen content to see text before pictures are done loading, etc.

As far as "anchoring" the forums, that looks better, but n all the work you put into the new headers is essentially unseen. If all I do is browse the forums, I'll never need to see the links/ads, etc at the top. You've circumvented your own solution.

It seems like it would be much more elegant to simplify the stuff in the headers, consolidate menu choices, group this into similar places (e.g. my training blog & BT BLogger are similar topics that could live on the same page, like a like to BT BLogger from my training blog page), move ads off to the side, where they would actually be seen MORE, because they'd continue to appear as you scroll down the page, and not just be ignored out of habit OR because you've "anchored" the forums to start below your new headers.

PLease don't take this to sound like I'm complaining, like I said before, I am a former cartographer, software developer and website designer, so I am sensitive to critique, but also to design and usability. I don't think it's a matter of the paying & non-paying customers "getting used to" the changes, but making the changes as user friendly as possible. Crisp icons do not mean a site that is easier to navigate.

OK, I'll stop. Ron, if you address these and just let me know that they are low on the priority list, I'll be happy, otherwise, I may keep squeaking!

2005-03-02 8:48 PM
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ok, here's a dumb question:  just how do I scroll down the page?  Am I missing something?  If I left-click the mouse and pull the mouse down I can move down the page, but I don't see any scroll bars along the side.  What am I doing wrong??? (I assume it's just me, or lots of people would be complianing about this.)

Debi

2005-03-02 9:09 PM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?

adventurebear...yeah...were still working on loading times...it has a lot to do with increased processor demands from training logs and weather rather than graphics or the size of the page....im told. 

im going to work on the possible header consolidation for certain parts...it will be a work in progress...

i posted a little something, something in the tri forum regarding the change and stuff too...

2005-03-02 11:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?
Well, I'm back online now to log for the day and low and behold a lot of the things that were fustrating me were fixed.

Ron (and whom ever else) you really know how to work smoothly with the punches being thrown your way.

I've got a second hand up on the word wrap text issue...on the blogs "goals" and SSSF...if you log them all, the text on mine at least, cuts the % sign off on the top line making my RHR look like a %. But I somehow believe I'm one of the few who actually uses all that stuff.
2005-03-03 3:36 PM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?
All the changes seem cool to me. I just need to spend a little more time and figure out where everything is again.

The only thing I noticed were the pages loading a little slower, but I have already noticed that being better.

Great job!


2005-03-03 4:34 PM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?
Yes - I like the new look. Thanks to BT for this site, and all it's helpful/useful materials and resources.
2005-03-04 5:29 PM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?
After using the site during the week, I have to say it is pretty sweet. After getting used to it and finding the little different offerins all around, it is much more organized and user friendly.

I love that I could import the training log into my calendar! AWESOME, maybe I can finally train with some purpose.

Change is good!

Thanks!!
2005-03-04 9:06 PM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?

I am sorry to say that I am going insane with the slow speed.  I know, I know, dial up sucks,  I should get high speed, yada yada...but we're not, and I was fine with the way BT was before.  There was a little bit of a lag before, but now it is BAD! 

Sigh.

2005-03-04 11:07 PM
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Subject: RE: Do you like the change?
I've got a 50.6 connection and I hear ya. I remember when I lived in a neighborhood that got me a 28.8 (at best) connection...wouldn't that have sucked now.

On a positive note, since last Monday (for the forums) it's gotten a lot better now that we don't have to wait for the picture to load before being able to read...that was a nightmare.

Ron, is there any things you can think of that we could choose to not include in our download of the blog page that would make it load quicker? ie. the check box that allows us to view or not view pictures of friends. What are some of the larger items on the blog page?

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