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2010-08-11 5:01 PM in reply to: #3038151 |
Champion 10019 , Minnesota | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" Totally! I do have an agenda though... I figure I will need someone to help me out when I am in the nursing home. I am cultivating one niece in particular, who I think is my best bet. If I can get her to stay connected with me, I'm all set! CitySky - 2010-08-11 4:57 PM ydarb - 2010-08-11 5:50 PM I'm a young parent as well, 29 with a 4 year old girl and 2 year old boy. Life is GREAT with kids and life is GREAT when they are gone for the weekend. I definitely see both sides of the fence, and sometimes jealous of the ones who are free from kids. On a side note - the adults my kids love the most (outside of family) are the ones who don't have kids. All of the adults I know who don't want don't have kids are awesome with mine, get down on the floor-throw the ball-push the swing type fun. Once they get their fill they leave, while I'm left with bath tub, reading books, and singing songs for the little ones. Which is exactly why it is awesome to be The Aunt. We swoop in with our exotic, non-family-centric lives, do wild and fun things... then leave then back with their parents! :D This is true with my nephews and also with kids at church, a couple of whom seek me out every week for a big hug, which is just about the most awesome thing ever. So yeah, I'd say many of us love your kids. Edited by BikerGrrrl 2010-08-11 5:01 PM |
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2010-08-11 5:07 PM in reply to: #3037419 |
Veteran 399 Puyallup, WA | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" Empty nesters, 2 grown kids. Loved raising a family and now loving the life we have. Especially spoiling the Grandsons. |
2010-08-11 5:21 PM in reply to: #3037419 |
Expert 1151 Las Vegas, NV | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" Yep, as a kid my favorite aunts & uncles were the ones who didn't have kids. When I was little they actually played with me and when I was older, I felt they treated me like an adult. Looks like being a grandparent is where it's at though. My parents play golf all weekend and have a pretty active social life. My kids absolutely love them because they totally spoil them (things they NEVER let me do). Meanwhile, I'm lucky if I can get in a shower and leave my house for more than an hour. Grandma's got it made! |
2010-08-11 5:42 PM in reply to: #3038153 |
Master 2083 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" BikerGrrrl - 2010-08-11 4:59 PM 2. People say I am being selfish. Give me one unselfish reason to have kids. Seriously. I've been waiting to hear a good answer to this one for years. $20 to the first person with an answer. To help spur the economy. This argument is largely based around birth rates and economic assumptions. The end result is to leave society better off than you found it. Giving something back instead of only taking. Just to answering your question. How do I get my $20? I'm not making any judgments in the above statement I'm just trying to come up with an answer to the question. Back on subject, The decision was made for me when I married my wife. She had a baby at the time, so that was kind of a non-negotiable there. I wish her daughter and I were closer but her dad is like uber-dad, which is great for everyone really. But I never really thought about whether I wanted kids or not, so when my wife said she wanted another, I thought "well we have one, two can't be that much different." well that 's only a little true. 3rd came out of nowhere. So basically I woke up one day and had 3 kids (7, 3, 1). It's the best thing I never meant to do. They make me a better person in every way imaginable and hopefully I'm doing the same for them. I have more friends that don't/won't have kids than friends that do. It's a responsible decision either which ever way you make it. The decision got made for me each time, but I got lucky with the results. |
2010-08-11 5:53 PM in reply to: #3037419 |
Extreme Veteran 3177 | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" For many years I vacilated about having kids, mostly in the don't want pool. I was upfront with this with my wife before we were married and she just said what will be, will be. We got a new dog and said we would take 3 or so years and then reconsider the kids question. Well less than 2 years later I brought it up with my wife because for some reason I decided I wanted a kid. (my wife wanted more but I have convinced her no more than 2) and now we are trying for our first. (well more like we stopped being careful). I am still not sure how I feel about it but I have fun with my nephews and nieces even when they are a pain in the butt. I know kids will be a lot of work and I know there are things I don't know and even things I don't know that I don't know about. If and when we have a kid I know I will put my all into doing the best. That being said I have a friend who never wants a kid and never will have one (so he says) and I am fine with that. I just wish some of my family had decided to not have kids too. per the OP I can see where your parents/in laws might be a little unhappy and pressuring you. Look at it from there perspective of you and your wife being single children so their whole genetic lineage is gone because you don't have kids. It is sad for them and I could sympathize BUT don't let it guilt you into having kids unless you want too. |
2010-08-11 6:38 PM in reply to: #3037419 |
Veteran 179 | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" Like many have stated on this thread.. I would very much like the honor of being a parent, but I haven't met the right woman yet. |
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2010-08-11 7:46 PM in reply to: #3037419 |
New user 26 Nashville | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" kids? no, thanks. Maybe i'm extremely self-absorbed and have no desire to be responsible for anyone other than myself (& my mate). I do recognize the giant sacrifice one has to make to raise children, I could never do it though. http://drunkenmisanthrope.blogspot.com/2010/03/womb-closed-for-busi... ( a blog entry I came across through twitter, funny, and brutally honest) |
2010-08-11 7:47 PM in reply to: #3038211 |
Champion 10019 , Minnesota | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" Pretty good try and I appreciate the honest effort. I would actually argue that might be selfish (re: why you wish the economy to be spurred). Also, one of the many reasons I started on this decision path was after a sociology class about population. The world is in a sad state and the available resources cannot support it, so adding more people is actually taking away more than the child can give. Of course, if your kid's a genius and can solve these problems - that would obviously be good! jgaither - 2010-08-11 5:42 PM BikerGrrrl - 2010-08-11 4:59 PM 2. People say I am being selfish. Give me one unselfish reason to have kids. Seriously. I've been waiting to hear a good answer to this one for years. $20 to the first person with an answer. To help spur the economy. This argument is largely based around birth rates and economic assumptions. The end result is to leave society better off than you found it. Giving something back instead of only taking. Just to answering your question. How do I get my $20? ... |
2010-08-11 7:49 PM in reply to: #3038392 |
Champion 10019 , Minnesota | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" Yikes! Yep, brutally honest pretty much sums that up The comments are even more brutal and honest. lil_fish - 2010-08-11 7:46 PM kids? no, thanks. Maybe i'm extremely self-absorbed and have no desire to be responsible for anyone other than myself (& my mate). I do recognize the giant sacrifice one has to make to raise children, I could never do it though. http://drunkenmisanthrope.blogspot.com/2010/03/womb-closed-for-busi... ( a blog entry I came across through twitter, funny, and brutally honest) |
2010-08-11 8:03 PM in reply to: #3038392 |
Veteran 179 | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" lil_fish - 2010-08-11 5:46 PM kids? no, thanks. Maybe i'm extremely self-absorbed and have no desire to be responsible for anyone other than myself (& my mate). I do recognize the giant sacrifice one has to make to raise children, I could never do it though. http://drunkenmisanthrope.blogspot.com/2010/03/womb-closed-for-busi... ( a blog entry I came across through twitter, funny, and brutally honest) Loved the blog.. Best laugh I've had all week.. |
2010-08-11 8:27 PM in reply to: #3038392 |
Pro 4612 MA | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" lil_fish - 2010-08-11 8:46 PM kids? no, thanks. Maybe i'm extremely self-absorbed and have no desire to be responsible for anyone other than myself (& my mate). I do recognize the giant sacrifice one has to make to raise children, I could never do it though. http://drunkenmisanthrope.blogspot.com/2010/03/womb-closed-for-busi... ( a blog entry I came across through twitter, funny, and brutally honest) Did I write that in my dreams? That's EXACTLY how I feel about kids. |
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2010-08-11 8:31 PM in reply to: #3037461 |
Master 1862 San Mateo, CA | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" ChrisM - 2010-08-11 11:21 AM No kids here, no plans to ever have any. I have a tough enough time taking care of myself x2!!! |
2010-08-11 8:37 PM in reply to: #3038478 |
Champion 18680 Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" betyoursilver - 2010-08-11 9:31 PM ChrisM - 2010-08-11 11:21 AM No kids here, no plans to ever have any. I have a tough enough time taking care of myself x2!!! When I took my son home from the hospital I kept thinking "Are you people really going to let me take this tiny human being home with me???? You know I kill any and all house plants I come into contact with, right?? And you are going to let me take this baby home????" I am happy to report he had made it to the age of 13 and I still kill house plants. |
2010-08-11 9:49 PM in reply to: #3037687 |
Pro 6767 the Alabama part of Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" moondawg14 - 2010-08-11 3:33 PM Kido - 2010-08-10 3:30 PM lisac957 - 2010-08-11 12:23 PM ashort33 - 2010-08-11 1:55 PM I was in the do not want kids club for a while, but then along came my daughter (she's 9 now). For those that think they have a full life now, you cannot realize what you are missing. I am sure there will be heartache along the way somewhere, but the joy of watching that little soul develop will more than make up for it. I'm not sure it's fair to say this - it's a pretty broad generalization. I have a couple of friends who had children who will readily admit they still wish they hadn't. I mean, of course they love their children and all of that, but they have both said they thought someday they'd come around, but just never did. One of them even said her and her daughter just don't like each other - her daughter is 2. Having kids is NOT for everyone, and those who don't have them shouldn't feel guilty or made to feel as if they're "missing out" on something. I agree... I guess the statement COULD be true no matter the situation. No one realizes what they are missing IF they are "missing" it!!! They could be missing on hell on earth. Problem kids that terrorize everyone they come in contact with, violent people that cause heartbreak and grief your entire life... And we don't "realize what we are missing"... Which could be a good thing. But in general, everyone assumes we are "missing" out on good things if we don't have kids. Which may or may not be true. I try to inflict my kids on everyone possible. That way no one has to "miss out." (Discipling a child....jpg) Attachments ---------------- Discipling a child....jpg (75KB - 16 downloads) |
2010-08-11 11:06 PM in reply to: #3037419 |
Extreme Veteran 1996 Halifax, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" Interesting thread. I don't have children, and at 48 with some not so great inherited health issues it seems unlikely I will, but I now wish I did, or could. I was too immature and perhaps too career focused when I was younger when I would have had the opportunity to start a family. Back then I made it clear when I started dating anyone that I was uninterested in having children, and my 3 long term partners were (they said at the time) of the same mindset. I now know that at least 2 of those 3 have since had two or more children. Hmmm. |
2010-08-11 11:16 PM in reply to: #3037419 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" Thank you for this thread. It's a big relief to hear other people out there who don't think it's an obligation or that something must be wrong with you if you don't have kids. My wife and I have been married a little over six years and receive heavy pressure from our parents about kids. It's becoming very stressful, but every time we talk about it, we realize that we don't have the slightest desire to have kids. There is simply no appeal to it. There are already lot of people in this world, so I don't understand why I need to add to that. The real sad part is that even if we wanted kids, we still wouldn't do it. My wife and I are both atheists, but come from very religious families. Raising a non-religious child would cause irreperable damage to our family dynamics. Kids aren't for everybody. I have a nephew that was just born and I can see how amazing it is, but don't feel the need to experience myself. I'm 28 yrs old and he was the first baby I've ever held. |
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2010-08-11 11:36 PM in reply to: #3038692 |
Pro 6767 the Alabama part of Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" AndrewMT - 2010-08-12 12:16 AM Thank you for this thread. It's a big relief to hear other people out there who don't think it's an obligation or that something must be wrong with you if you don't have kids. My wife and I have been married a little over six years and receive heavy pressure from our parents about kids. It's becoming very stressful, but every time we talk about it, we realize that we don't have the slightest desire to have kids. There is simply no appeal to it. There are already lot of people in this world, so I don't understand why I need to add to that. The real sad part is that even if we wanted kids, we still wouldn't do it. My wife and I are both atheists, but come from very religious families. Raising a non-religious child would cause irreperable damage to our family dynamics. Kids aren't for everybody. I have a nephew that was just born and I can see how amazing it is, but don't feel the need to experience myself. I'm 28 yrs old and he was the first baby I've ever held. I would see this as a separate issue altogether from having kids or not. Mrs gearboy's family is also religious (she went to catholic HS, and we met at a catholic college). My own mother attended our wedding strung out on benzo's because I was getting married in a church (at least she didn't stop acknowledging me the way her brother did with my cousin for marrying someone who converted to the faith, instead of being born into it). Mrs gearboy "outed" herself rather dramatically when her sister asked her to be godparent to one of the nephews, and my wife responded (somewhat angrily because of some other things going on at the time) that maybe she (the sister) should stop pestering and ask someone who actually BELIEVED in god. Our kids were never confirmed, took communion, or did any religious education, yet the family is overall still close. If having kids raised nonreligously would cause a lot of trouble in your family, how is it not causing issues that you and the mrs are atheists (unless you are closeted)? Or are you concerned that the family would sneak the kids off to be baptized or whatever? |
2010-08-12 12:14 AM in reply to: #3037679 |
Champion 4835 Eat Cheese or Die | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" Kido - 2010-08-11 2:31 PM moondawg14 - 2010-08-11 12:30 PM rayd - 2010-08-10 3:25 PM lisac957 - 2010-08-11 1:23 PM ashort33 - 2010-08-11 1:55 PM I was in the do not want kids club for a while, but then along came my daughter (she's 9 now). For those that think they have a full life now, you cannot realize what you are missing. I am sure there will be heartache along the way somewhere, but the joy of watching that little soul develop will more than make up for it. I'm not sure it's fair to say this - it's a pretty broad generalization. I have a couple of friends who had children who will readily admit they still wish they hadn't. I mean, of course they love their children and all of that, but they have both said they thought someday they'd come around, but just never did. One of them even said her and her daughter just don't like each other - her daughter is 2. Having kids is NOT for everyone, and those who don't have them shouldn't feel guilty or made to feel as if they're "missing out" on something. now that is a very sad statement. +1 this x2. My heart aches for that little girl. why not the mom? Because mom can take care of herself, but a 2 year old just wants mom's attention, and will grow up to not be all that well adjusted because of having a parent that doesn't really want her around. |
2010-08-12 12:36 AM in reply to: #3038707 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" gearboy - 2010-08-11 11:36 PM AndrewMT - 2010-08-12 12:16 AM Thank you for this thread. It's a big relief to hear other people out there who don't think it's an obligation or that something must be wrong with you if you don't have kids. My wife and I have been married a little over six years and receive heavy pressure from our parents about kids. It's becoming very stressful, but every time we talk about it, we realize that we don't have the slightest desire to have kids. There is simply no appeal to it. There are already lot of people in this world, so I don't understand why I need to add to that. The real sad part is that even if we wanted kids, we still wouldn't do it. My wife and I are both atheists, but come from very religious families. Raising a non-religious child would cause irreperable damage to our family dynamics. Kids aren't for everybody. I have a nephew that was just born and I can see how amazing it is, but don't feel the need to experience myself. I'm 28 yrs old and he was the first baby I've ever held. I would see this as a separate issue altogether from having kids or not. Mrs gearboy's family is also religious (she went to catholic HS, and we met at a catholic college). My own mother attended our wedding strung out on benzo's because I was getting married in a church (at least she didn't stop acknowledging me the way her brother did with my cousin for marrying someone who converted to the faith, instead of being born into it). Mrs gearboy "outed" herself rather dramatically when her sister asked her to be godparent to one of the nephews, and my wife responded (somewhat angrily because of some other things going on at the time) that maybe she (the sister) should stop pestering and ask someone who actually BELIEVED in god. Our kids were never confirmed, took communion, or did any religious education, yet the family is overall still close. If having kids raised nonreligously would cause a lot of trouble in your family, how is it not causing issues that you and the mrs are atheists (unless you are closeted)? Or are you concerned that the family would sneak the kids off to be baptized or whatever? Actually, I am positive that my mother in law would sneak behind my back to try to baptize the child and she would tell the child that mommy and daddy are wrong and going to hell. The first thing I can deal with as harmless superstition, but the second I wouldn't put up with. In their eyes it's one thing to decide to go to hell yourself, but to fail to raise a child in the church... I realize that that topic goes waaay past kids, but it has certainly been the nail in the coffin to our decision to have them. Anyway, I definitely don't want to turn this into a religion thread. Most of my friends have children, and I love seeing how happy they are with them. It really is special. But seeing it has never planted the seed that I would want to do it myself. |
2010-08-12 12:46 AM in reply to: #3037419 |
Champion 4835 Eat Cheese or Die | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" I've always wanted kids, but decided in my early 20s that I would not produce more then two. My wife knew this when we got married. I also told her that if she wanted more I would love to adopt. In fact if I had my way completely I'd only make one kid and adopt as many as I felt I wanted to raise. Now I have one, a 3.5 year old girl and it's awesome. We're working on making #2 and I'm secretly hoping for twins. That way I can have more then two kids without sacrificing my reasoning for not producing more then two. If that doesn't happen I am hoping we go the adoption route. That being said, I'm all for people who don't want kids not having kids. The planet can't handle the current population, and it's really none of my business why. |
2010-08-12 7:00 AM in reply to: #3037419 |
Pro 4089 Without house | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" I am firmly sitting on the fence. On some days I lean towards yes, but I find that more days are either ambivalent or no. Do I think kids are cute? Yes. Do kids like me? Yes (why, I'm not completely sure.) Do I run like the wind when a kid starts crying, throwing a tantrum, whining, needs a diaper change, starts asking a gazillion questions? You betcha. I'm 'Auntie Grit.' I get hugs and kisses and asked when I'm going to come over to play. Right now, I'm ok with that. About 4 years ago when I was single with not prospects of a partner (and a lot of my friends were spawning,) it was killing me that I didn't have the opportunity. Now that I'm married, I kind of like just being married (that's enough of an adjustment.) My BFF has 1 little boy. He's a good little kid, cute, kinda smart. I think, if she had her way, she wouldn't have had him. She had him because her husband really wanted kids. She feels horrible about the fact that she doesn't really like her child, and that she resents him. It's that kind of situation that makes me really happy that my husband and I are on the same page when it comes to kids. I hear it all the time, though, especially now that I'm married. "Oh, you still have plenty of time," etc and so forth. Yeah, ok. |
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2010-08-12 7:20 AM in reply to: #3037419 |
Champion 6786 Two seat rocket plane | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" Over six freaking billion humans on the planet. I'm not going to contribute to the problem. Edited by ride_like_u_stole_it 2010-08-12 7:22 AM |
2010-08-12 8:22 AM in reply to: #3037419 |
Master 1895 | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" I don't know about you, but I don't consider myself a part of the "population problem". I plan on having kids...and I will raise them properly so they are contributing members of society. Somebody has to reproduce quality human beings or the world is going to be run by idiots. Wait.... |
2010-08-12 8:22 AM in reply to: #3038607 |
Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" gearboy - 2010-08-11 9:49 PM moondawg14 - 2010-08-11 3:33 PM Kido - 2010-08-10 3:30 PM lisac957 - 2010-08-11 12:23 PM ashort33 - 2010-08-11 1:55 PM I was in the do not want kids club for a while, but then along came my daughter (she's 9 now). For those that think they have a full life now, you cannot realize what you are missing. I am sure there will be heartache along the way somewhere, but the joy of watching that little soul develop will more than make up for it. I'm not sure it's fair to say this - it's a pretty broad generalization. I have a couple of friends who had children who will readily admit they still wish they hadn't. I mean, of course they love their children and all of that, but they have both said they thought someday they'd come around, but just never did. One of them even said her and her daughter just don't like each other - her daughter is 2. Having kids is NOT for everyone, and those who don't have them shouldn't feel guilty or made to feel as if they're "missing out" on something. I agree... I guess the statement COULD be true no matter the situation. No one realizes what they are missing IF they are "missing" it!!! They could be missing on hell on earth. Problem kids that terrorize everyone they come in contact with, violent people that cause heartbreak and grief your entire life... And we don't "realize what we are missing"... Which could be a good thing. But in general, everyone assumes we are "missing" out on good things if we don't have kids. Which may or may not be true. I try to inflict my kids on everyone possible. That way no one has to "miss out." A response to the picture: As a parent, I did find the cartoon panel humorous, yet sad at the same time, because, even though it's a cartoon panel with humorous intent, there are persons that are that way - populating society with a "healthy" child and then not raising the child with manners and respect (however, the cartoon only depicts the child "acting up" in their own house, so can't judge if the child reacts the same outside the house (but I'm guessing most persons would assume that), has ADD, or whatever). A child with "issues", whether mental or physical, is a whole different story. It takes much to be a parent, to have a child, and to raise a child. Just ask your own parents, unless you were the "perfect" child. I don't belittle persons that choose to not have a child. It's their choice, and not someone else's. Somedays I do wish "man, I wish these guys weren't here right now so I can train" or whatever, but, that's the selfish side of me. I say selfish side of me because I know that I am a parent and need to be there for them and not cast them out, shun them, wish ill things about them, etc. It's a human feeling somedays, but, for being a parent, it's a selfish thought on my part. Please note that I'm not calling persons that do not have children "selfish". *putting on flame-retardent suit* |
2010-08-12 8:23 AM in reply to: #3038893 |
Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: The "No Kids Club" ride_like_u_stole_it - 2010-08-12 7:20 AM Over six freaking billion humans on the planet. I'm not going to contribute to the problem. Waiting for one of your fantastic proses on this. *tap tap tap* |
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