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2005-12-08 2:04 PM
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So why don't we call it "Hannukah Break" then? Why doesn't Target have a "Kwanza" sale this time of year? The holidays this time of year are not exclusive for Christians and to give the kids time off for "Winter Break" doesn't exclude those who do not celebrate Christmas.

I think its dumb to call a Christmas tree a "holiday tree" since it is a symbol exlpicitly associated with the celebration of Christmas, the same way you wouldn't call a menorah a "holiday candle". But to appropraite the entire holiday season as being exclusivly for Christians doesn't seem quite right to me. By calling it a "holiday sale" Target is saying "come shop here no matter which holiday (if any) you celebrate". everyones money is green...

According to the news FOF wa boycotting Ford not only because they advertised in gay-oriented magazines but also because they provide benefits for partners.


2005-12-08 2:04 PM
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The agitators were the Christians and Jews who were in an uproar over the loss of their holiday (rightly so). The Muslims were very respectful in their request and the first to say "If it costs anyone for us to receive, then we'd rather not receive." That's not what I call agitation.
2005-12-08 2:06 PM
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SMUJD - 2005-12-08 1:38 PM
  • Selective interpretation of the Bible. I'm not sure there are any other interpretations--
Part of the problem is there are *so* many interpretations. After all, it was written in Aramaic and translated many different ways in many different languages.

Ever play "telephone"?

And boy would I like to get my hands on those Dead Sea Scrolls...
2005-12-08 2:06 PM
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nccgrap - 2005-12-08 3:03 PM

run4yrlif - 2005-12-08 1:00 PM
nccgrap - 2005-12-08 1:59 PM

I hope I am not the only one who thinks that is funny!



I guess it depends on who won...

Muhammad won, but we thought his next match should Belezebub

 


Actually he is wrestling Moses then the winner advances on to Wrestle belezebub

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2005-12-08 2:06 PM
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damnit. I'm being pissy again.



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2005-12-08 2:07 PM
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nccgrap - 2005-12-08 2:03 PM

Muhammad won, but we thought his next match should Belezebub

 



Reminds me of a South Park episode...


2005-12-08 2:08 PM
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drewb8 - 2005-12-08 1:04 PM So why don't we call it "Hannukah Break" then? Why doesn't Target have a "Kwanza" sale this time of year?

Well lets all be happy and just call it Chrismahanukwanzakah!

 





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2005-12-08 2:10 PM
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drewb8 - 2005-12-08 2:04 PM

But to appropraite the entire holiday season as being exclusivly for Christians doesn't seem quite right to me.

I know the pagans are not happy about their Saturnalian feast being appropriated by the Christians or the Scandinavians having their Yuletide meshed with Christmas  - but their respective PR machines suck.

2005-12-08 2:11 PM
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run4yrlif - Part of the problem is there are *so* many interpretations.


So do you think that it's possible to be authoritative about "The Word of God", or do you think we're left to simply make up meaning any way we see fit?
2005-12-08 2:15 PM
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I don't think it's possible to be authoritative on the Word of God, unless you're God or Jesus. HIs words were transcribed by man, interpreted and reinterpreted by man in the forms that they exist in today.


dontracy - 2005-12-08 2:11 PM
run4yrlif - Part of the problem is there are *so* many interpretations.


So do you think that it's possible to be authoritative about "The Word of God", or do you think we're left to simply make up meaning any way we see fit?
2005-12-08 2:18 PM
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Renee - 2005-12-08 12:10 PM

drewb8 - 2005-12-08 2:04 PM

But to appropraite the entire holiday season as being exclusivly for Christians doesn't seem quite right to me.

I know the pagans are not happy about their Saturnalian feast being appropriated by the Christians or the Scandinavians having their Yuletide meshed with Christmas  - but their respective PR machines suck.



If its only "Christmas Break" and "Christmas Sales" when am I supposed to get off and where am I suppossed to shop if I celebrate one of the other holidays besides Christmas? Its hard enough to find a Yule Log as it is. Heh heh... Yule log.


2005-12-08 2:18 PM
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Isn't FOF the same group who suggested boycotts of Sponge Bob et. al. because they were gay cartoons?  Yeah, I'll take everything they say with a house-sized grain of salt after that gem.  Seriously, how can you take an organization seriously when they think a sea sponge who wears pants is somehow promoting homosexuality? 

I'm surprised that FOF hasn't raised a huge alarm on Subaru (maybe they have and I'm just not aware).  I'm pretty sure Subaru does specific and targeted advertising in the GLBT community.  Apparently, lesbians dig Subarus?

2005-12-08 2:21 PM
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Matchman - 2005-12-08 1:18 PM Isn't FOF the same group who suggested boycotts of Sponge Bob et. al. because they were gay cartoons?  Yeah, I'll take everything they say with a house-sized grain of salt after that gem.  Seriously, how can you take an organization seriously when they think a sea sponge who wears pants is somehow promoting homosexuality? 

Yes, and Tinky Winky from Teletubbies (a purple pot bellied androgenous alien of sorts) was apparently homosexual b/c of carrying a purple purse.  Give me a break. 

2005-12-08 2:22 PM
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Yeah I guess I missed the point. Just Like I missed the Vatican's aknowledgment of the link bewtween celibacy and pedophilia.


dontracy - 2005-12-08 3:00 PM

rollinbones - How about they only advertise to people "that have supressed thier homsexual tendancies for more than three years" There is whole new traget market out there.
To turn the new document into a joke is to entirely miss it's point.
2005-12-08 2:26 PM
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Matchman - 2005-12-08 2:18 PM

I'm surprised that FOF hasn't raised a huge alarm on Subaru (maybe they have and I'm just not aware).  I'm pretty sure Subaru does specific and targeted advertising in the GLBT community. 

One windmill at a time, my friend, one windmill at a time.

2005-12-08 2:28 PM
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run4yrlif - I don't think it's possible to be authoritative on the Word of God, unless you're God or Jesus. HIs words were transcribed by man, interpreted and reinterpreted by man in the forms that they exist in today.


So Luther introduces Sola Scriptura (by Scripture alone) and dismisses the Sacred Tradition of the Church, which is the authoritative interpretation of Scripture going back to the Apostles, those closest to Jesus. 

Now you say that Scripture can't be trusted at all because it's open to all sorts of interpretations.

To me, Luther's idea seems like having a Constitution without a Supreme Court, and your idea seems like having the Court without the Constitution.


2005-12-08 2:28 PM
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rollinbones - 2005-12-08 2:22 PM Yeah I guess I missed the point. Just Like I missed the Vatican's aknowledgment of the link bewtween celibacy and pedophilia.

How could you miss the link??? It's linked by a massive river called De Nial.

2005-12-08 2:30 PM
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Matchman - 2005-12-08 2:18 PM

I'm surprised that FOF hasn't raised a huge alarm on Subaru (maybe they have and I'm just not aware).  I'm pretty sure Subaru does specific and targeted advertising in the GLBT community.  Apparently, lesbians dig Subarus?



I will get hugely flamed for this, but what the hell: the average Subaru driver has substantially different politics and intellect than the average Ford driver. Ford is a "heartland of America" car. Subaru is one of those damn imports driven in blue states. More concisely--Subaru drivers probably don't care what Dobson thinks on any issues.

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2005-12-08 2:30 PM
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Please raise your hand if you are OFFENDED by the term 'Christmas' to describe the upcoming holiday.

Preface: I don't care what Ford or Target do. It grates me when the state capitol in WI calls the christmas tree a HOLIDAY TREE, and when public school districts have HOLIDAY programs that don't include christmas music. (not RELIGIOUS MUSIC, I mean ANY CHRISTMAS music because they likely refer to CHRISTMAS). A friend's son is singing "We're goin' Bear Huntin'" at this year's HOLIDAY program.

Per the link below, Federal Law denotes CHRISTMAS DAY as a National Holiday. So secularly, it is a national holiday referred to as Christmas Day, and I think our national and state institutions should refer to it as such. If Target is silly enough to refer to it in another way, fine by me.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode05/usc_sec_05_00006103...

run4yrlif - 2005-12-08 12:38 PM

Charlie Brown would be very sad.



Yes he would. Because whatever message of inclusion C. Schultz wanted to bring out, would never have been seen if the show was being developed today...

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2005-12-05-charlie-bro...

To quote the above article...

"We told Schulz, 'Look, you can't read from the Bible on network television,' " Mendelson says. "When we finished the show and watched it, Melendez and I looked at each other and I said, 'We've ruined Charlie Brown.' "
2005-12-08 2:30 PM
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rollinbones - Just Like I missed the Vatican's aknowledgment of the link bewtween celibacy and pedophilia.


Sorry, I missed that one.  What did the Vatican say about a link here?


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2005-12-08 2:34 PM
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precisely

dontracy - 2005-12-08 3:30 PM

rollinbones - Just Like I missed the Vatican's aknowledgment of the link bewtween celibacy and pedophilia.


Sorry, I missed that one.  What did the Vatican say about a link here?


2005-12-08 2:36 PM
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rollinbones - precisely


Seriously, did the Vatican point out some link here, or are you saying that they and people like me are somehow in denial?
2005-12-08 2:36 PM
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SMUJD - 2005-12-08 12:30 PM

Matchman - 2005-12-08 2:18 PM

I'm surprised that FOF hasn't raised a huge alarm on Subaru (maybe they have and I'm just not aware).  I'm pretty sure Subaru does specific and targeted advertising in the GLBT community.  Apparently, lesbians dig Subarus?



I will get hugely flamed for this, but what the hell: the average Subaru driver has substantially different politics and intellect than the average Ford driver. Ford is a "heartland of America" car. Subaru is one of those damn imports driven in blue states. More concisely--Subaru drivers probably don't care what Dobson thinks on any issues.

Bill


Wow. I drive a blue Subaru, wonder what that says about my politics and intellect? Although it is true that I don't really care what Dobson thinks, I do care about the influence he seems to have with the current administration.
2005-12-08 2:37 PM
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SMUJD - 2005-12-08 2:30 PM

I will get hugely flamed for this, but what the hell: the average Subaru driver has substantially different politics and intellect than the average Ford driver. Ford is a "heartland of America" car. Subaru is one of those damn imports driven in blue states. More concisely--Subaru drivers probably don't care what Dobson thinks on any issues. Bill

Hah! This actually made me laugh.

My former FIL has driven Fords for decades and I can say with authority that he doesn't give a rat's patoot what Dobson thinks, either. Of course, my FIL is a farmer from the cornbelt and you know how liberal and free-thinking those farmies are. He grows soy, for pete's sake!

2005-12-08 2:41 PM
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dontracy - 2005-12-08 3:36 PM

rollinbones - precisely


Seriously, did the Vatican point out some link here, or are you saying that they and people like me are somehow in denial?


No the vatican did not. I prefer not to say, nor do i mean to infer what you or people like you think or feel.
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