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At least we both agree KSU isn't playing in the NC. 

If ND is undefeated, they're in.  If Alabama is undefeated, they're in.

Oregon and KSU are hoping for a loss or two...

The same ND team that "beat" Stanford and has squeaked out multiple wins over a pathetic Big 10?

While I am fully rooting for UCLA to win out and beat Oregon in the Pac-12 championship, I just don't see Oregon getting left out of the NC. They haven't even been challenged this season. Assuming they look good against Stanford, $C, and OSU, they will be in.

I have to think the order would be this: Bama, Oregon, K State , ND. While I would personally put ND ahead of K State, they just won't make up the ground to get in.

The same ND team that "beat" Stanford and has squeaked out multiple wins over a pathetic Big 10?

While I am fully rooting for UCLA to win out and beat Oregon in the Pac-12 championship, I just don't see Oregon getting left out of the NC. They haven't even been challenged this season. Assuming they look good against Stanford, $C, and OSU, they will be in.

I have to think the order would be this: Bama, Oregon, K State , ND. While I would personally put ND ahead of K State, they just won't make up the ground to get in.

Only in college football do we argue over who would have won rather than finding out.

If they all stay undefeated it will be SEC vs. Big 12.....deal with it.

You said that every year the system works itself out.  But when you have a school from one of the major powerhouse conferences end the season undefeated and not get a chance to play, I say that's a broken system.  This isn't even getting in to the undefeated mid-major schools (I would argue Utah, TCU, and BSU deserved their shots), we're talking about an undefeated SEC team.  Your whole argument appears to be that USC was better on paper.  Screw it, let's just crown Alabama champions this year right now.  There's no denying they're the best on paper, so why play the games?

The BCS has produced 14 national champions.  In 2003/2004, there was a split national championship with the AP.  In 2004/2005 there was an undefeated SEC team left out.  Even if you assume all other years have been controversy free, that's only an 85% success rate of creating an undisputed national champion.  For a system that was supposed to end the controversy, I would argue that it did not.  You know who has had undisputed champion during every year of that same stretch, the FCS.  Because they have a true playoff.

So do you still believe this now after today's news?

I thought up the best BCS chaos scenario. LSU beat's Bama, thus Bama won't get into the SEC title game again this year. Oregon loses to USC, then beats them in the rematch. ND loses to USC. KSU loses to okst. FL ST stomps UF. 

So to recap we have 1 loss Oregon, Alabama (sans SEC title), LSU, FL ST, KSU, ND. This would be fun.

If LSU beats Alabama this weekend (Ain't gonna happen, BTW), then Alabama will be out of it, assuming LSU runs the table (which they should if they beat Alabama) and UGA doesn't stumble against Ole Miss, Auburn or GA Tech (which they shouldn't).

The only scenario for Alabama to lose and go to the NC game from the SEC, is if LSU loses after we play them, then we would go to the SEC Championship Game, or if UGA loses again, but still makes it to the Championship game and beats LSU.   It would be very difficult to lose and still make it, given the remaining schedules for UGA and LSU.

Now, Alabama could beat LSU, then lose to Texas A&M and still make it to the SEC Championship game and to the NC Game, if they were to win out and things worked out.  This is probably a more likely scenario for them getting to the NC with 1 loss.

I don't think the voters would allow another SEC/SEC championship game, so if LSU beats Alabama this weekend and wins out, Alabama doesn't have a chance.

Anyway, we will find out this weekend.

And, BTW, Utah beat Alabama, so badly, in the Sugar Bowl in 2009, because that team lost focus and emotion after the SEC Championship game.  Andre Smith, our left tackle (that was a huge loss), had to sit out the game and the seniors on that team had already mailed it in that year.  But, that paved the way to 2009, so no hard feelings.  Utah was a good team, but probably not NC good, and I don't think you can use that Alabama team that showed up at the Sugar Bowl as a measuring stick against Florida or OSU.

November is always interesting in College Football.

You said that every year the system works itself out.  But when you have a school from one of the major powerhouse conferences end the season undefeated and not get a chance to play, I say that's a broken system.  This isn't even getting in to the undefeated mid-major schools (I would argue Utah, TCU, and BSU deserved their shots), we're talking about an undefeated SEC team.  Your whole argument appears to be that USC was better on paper.  Screw it, let's just crown Alabama champions this year right now.  There's no denying they're the best on paper, so why play the games?

The BCS has produced 14 national champions.  In 2003/2004, there was a split national championship with the AP.  In 2004/2005 there was an undefeated SEC team left out.  Even if you assume all other years have been controversy free, that's only an 85% success rate of creating an undisputed national champion.  For a system that was supposed to end the controversy, I would argue that it did not.  You know who has had undisputed champion during every year of that same stretch, the FCS.  Because they have a true playoff.

If LSU beats Alabama this weekend (Ain't gonna happen, BTW), then Alabama will be out of it, assuming LSU runs the table (which they should if they beat Alabama) and UGA doesn't stumble against Ole Miss, Auburn or GA Tech (which they shouldn't).

The only scenario for Alabama to lose and go to the NC game from the SEC, is if LSU loses after we play them, then we would go to the SEC Championship Game, or if UGA loses again, but still makes it to the Championship game and beats LSU.   It would be very difficult to lose and still make it, given the remaining schedules for UGA and LSU.

Now, Alabama could beat LSU, then lose to Texas A&M and still make it to the SEC Championship game and to the NC Game, if they were to win out and things worked out.  This is probably a more likely scenario for them getting to the NC with 1 loss.

I don't think the voters would allow another SEC/SEC championship game, so if LSU beats Alabama this weekend and wins out, Alabama doesn't have a chance.

Anyway, we will find out this weekend.

And, BTW, Utah beat Alabama, so badly, in the Sugar Bowl in 2009, because that team lost focus and emotion after the SEC Championship game.  Andre Smith, our left tackle (that was a huge loss), had to sit out the game and the seniors on that team had already mailed it in that year.  But, that paved the way to 2009, so no hard feelings.  Utah was a good team, but probably not NC good, and I don't think you can use that Alabama team that showed up at the Sugar Bowl as a measuring stick against Florida or OSU.

November is always interesting in College Football.

The season is not a playoff if a team can finish undefeated and not have a chance to compete for the national championship.  And the AP had no problems arguing that the BCS crowned the wrong team in 2003/2004.