Gun permit holders published (Page 3)

mr2tony - 2012-12-26 10:05 AM

Left Brain - 2012-12-26 8:58 AM

Hey, if I'm a burglar, I'm happy to see that list posted!!!   

You can't fix stupid.

Exactly! So why are gun owners up in arms about this? Ohhhh pun intended. Seriously, though, why are gun owners upset about this? I thought they'd want everybody to know they have a gun so the bad guys won't come to their houses because everybody knows if a bad guy knows you have a gun, he won't mess with you,which, of course, is why police officers never get messed with. And if owning a gun is so cool and awesome and you're such a badass for having one, why would anybody care? Isn't it a deterrent to crime?

This ^ includes more stereotypes than a Best Buy.  I would actually think that the folks NOT on this list would be equally upset.  Nothing like eliminating the likelihood of an armed defense prior to a break in.   BTW, I was a badass well before I owned a gun 

The gun show thing is interesting.... there is a loop hole because it is unenforcable. They can't regulate private sales, and nothing is stopping them from just going out in the parking lot.

However, I for one do not think it should allowed. If you sell a gun at a gun show, you should be a FFL and do a back ground check... which FFLs do perform at gun shows. Private sellers do not, and private sellers should not be allowed to piggy back onto a gun show and sell guns without the same requirments. Nor should you be able to sell guns out of your trunk on the property of a gun show.... but obviously down the street is not enforcable.

What exactly do you think more time will do for background check? you run the data base and you pass or fail... you actually think we are going to have an entire department of investigators go out and "investigate" every application for a month?

And again... how do you expect to regulate private sales?

mr2tony - 2012-12-26 8:20 AM

powerman - 2012-12-26 9:15 AM

mr2tony - 2012-12-26 8:05 AM

Left Brain - 2012-12-26 8:58 AM

Hey, if I'm a burglar, I'm happy to see that list posted!!!   

You can't fix stupid.

Exactly! So why are gun owners up in arms about this? Ohhhh pun intended. Seriously, though, why are gun owners upset about this? I thought they'd want everybody to know they have a gun so the bad guys won't come to their houses because everybody knows if a bad guy knows you have a gun, he won't mess with you,which, of course, is why police officers never get messed with. And if owning a gun is so cool and awesome and you're such a badass for having one, why would anybody care? Isn't it a deterrent to crime?

Legitimate question..... right off the rails with ridiculous emotional hyperbole. Nice try though.

As suspected. You have no good answers as to why gun owners should be upset about this. Honestly, it's public record. Anybody could get this data, it's not like the media has some sort of secret key to the vault where the public records are stored. That's why they're called `PUBLIC RECORDS.'

Why the heck do you care what the answer is from a insecure idiot that thinks guns make him cool and a "bada$$"? you already dismissed me before I even answered.

Left Brain - 2012-12-26 9:18 AM

mr2tony - 2012-12-26 9:05 AM

Left Brain - 2012-12-26 8:58 AM

Hey, if I'm a burglar, I'm happy to see that list posted!!!   

You can't fix stupid.

Exactly! So why are gun owners up in arms about this? Ohhhh pun intended. Seriously, though, why are gun owners upset about this? I thought they'd want everybody to know they have a gun so the bad guys won't come to their houses because everybody knows if a bad guy knows you have a gun, he won't mess with you,which, of course, is why police officers never get messed with. And if owning a gun is so cool and awesome and you're such a badass for having one, why would anybody care? Isn't it a deterrent to crime?

Actually, if I was a burglar I'd be sitting around waiting for them to leave.......so I could go get their guns.  If you are a permit holder chances are you have more guns too.  Guns are easy to get rid of and bring good money for heroin junkies where I am. 

I realize I look at things a bit differently than you, Tony, I just know what I deal with every day...it's never as black and white as you'd like to think.

If they are a responsible gun owners, they should have a floor safe in which all their guns are stored, and making it virtually impossible for a thief to obtain any weapon.  Otherwise these types of irresponsible gun owner's are part of the problem.  Were all gun owner's responsible with their firearms, then there wouldn't be any incentive for a criminal to break into a house for a firearm.

Dogs and home alarms are much more of a deterrent than guns, right?

jgaither - 2012-12-26 10:24 AM

Left Brain - 2012-12-26 9:18 AM

mr2tony - 2012-12-26 9:05 AM

Left Brain - 2012-12-26 8:58 AM

Hey, if I'm a burglar, I'm happy to see that list posted!!!   

You can't fix stupid.

Exactly! So why are gun owners up in arms about this? Ohhhh pun intended. Seriously, though, why are gun owners upset about this? I thought they'd want everybody to know they have a gun so the bad guys won't come to their houses because everybody knows if a bad guy knows you have a gun, he won't mess with you,which, of course, is why police officers never get messed with. And if owning a gun is so cool and awesome and you're such a badass for having one, why would anybody care? Isn't it a deterrent to crime?

Actually, if I was a burglar I'd be sitting around waiting for them to leave.......so I could go get their guns.  If you are a permit holder chances are you have more guns too.  Guns are easy to get rid of and bring good money for heroin junkies where I am. 

I realize I look at things a bit differently than you, Tony, I just know what I deal with every day...it's never as black and white as you'd like to think.

If they are a responsible gun owners, they should have a floor safe in which all their guns are stored, and making it virtually impossible for a thief to obtain any weapon.  Otherwise these types of irresponsible gun owner's are part of the problem.  Were all gun owner's responsible with their firearms, then there wouldn't be any incentive for a criminal to break into a house for a firearm.

Dogs and home alarms are much more of a deterrent than guns, right?

Ah well my guns are all locked up in a safe save one and good luck finding it.  However, I have a 16 yo son at home and heaven help you if anything happens to him because you just made my house a target for junkies.

jgaither - 2012-12-26 8:24 AM

Left Brain - 2012-12-26 9:18 AM

mr2tony - 2012-12-26 9:05 AM

Left Brain - 2012-12-26 8:58 AM

Hey, if I'm a burglar, I'm happy to see that list posted!!!   

You can't fix stupid.

Exactly! So why are gun owners up in arms about this? Ohhhh pun intended. Seriously, though, why are gun owners upset about this? I thought they'd want everybody to know they have a gun so the bad guys won't come to their houses because everybody knows if a bad guy knows you have a gun, he won't mess with you,which, of course, is why police officers never get messed with. And if owning a gun is so cool and awesome and you're such a badass for having one, why would anybody care? Isn't it a deterrent to crime?

Actually, if I was a burglar I'd be sitting around waiting for them to leave.......so I could go get their guns.  If you are a permit holder chances are you have more guns too.  Guns are easy to get rid of and bring good money for heroin junkies where I am. 

I realize I look at things a bit differently than you, Tony, I just know what I deal with every day...it's never as black and white as you'd like to think.

If they are a responsible gun owners, they should have a floor safe in which all their guns are stored, and making it virtually impossible for a thief to obtain any weapon.  Otherwise these types of irresponsible gun owner's are part of the problem.  Were all gun owner's responsible with their firearms, then there wouldn't be any incentive for a criminal to break into a house for a firearm.

Dogs and home alarms are much more of a deterrent than guns, right?

The only stat I could find is that "stolen" guns are only used in 10% of gun crimes. A problem yes, but not a huge one. The other 90% are legally, or illegally obtained...just not "stolen".

Sorry, but I am not buying a floor safe to put my pistol in when I leave. Thats what my dogs are for. I have a fire safe for my paperwork... but it's for fire, they can walk out with that.

Again... more emotional hyperbole... the CT shooter did not "spray" anything... he shot each one several times presumably standing over them. I think all but a couple had one in the head. That is an execution that could be carried out by a .22 pistol. The Araoura shooting injured 70, but only killed 12. Can you tell the difference between a execution and indiscriminately firing into a crowd? You can also indescriminately fire into a crowd with a pistol or a shot gun. The WV shooter only used a pistol and went back and shot victims again. But by all means, use what ever you need to make your case against black rifles.

Leaving a gun in your home unsecured and unattended is irresponsible.  There is no way around it.  It just is.

if you want some statistics here is a decent source: Caroline Wolf Harlow, Firearm Use by Offenders, Bureau of Justice Statistics, November 2001

It doesn't lay the blame at the foot of stolen firearms but it gives an explanation as to where access is provided.  Most by family and friends I believe.  Safes do not just prevent access by thieves, but by friends and family also.

Left Brain - 2012-12-26 3:18 PM

mr2tony - 2012-12-26 9:05 AM

Left Brain - 2012-12-26 8:58 AM

Hey, if I'm a burglar, I'm happy to see that list posted!!!   

You can't fix stupid.

Exactly! So why are gun owners up in arms about this? Ohhhh pun intended. Seriously, though, why are gun owners upset about this? I thought they'd want everybody to know they have a gun so the bad guys won't come to their houses because everybody knows if a bad guy knows you have a gun, he won't mess with you,which, of course, is why police officers never get messed with. And if owning a gun is so cool and awesome and you're such a badass for having one, why would anybody care? Isn't it a deterrent to crime?

Actually, if I was a burglar I'd be sitting around waiting for them to leave.......so I could go get their guns.  If you are a permit holder chances are you have more guns too.  Guns are easy to get rid of and bring good money for heroin junkies where I am. 

I realize I look at things a bit differently than you, Tony, I just know what I deal with every day...it's never as black and white as you'd like to think.

So the gun owners are more likely to have their un-occupied homes burgled.  As we've seen in the news recently, worse things happen.

Wheras an armed burglar isnt going to care whether an unarmed household is home or not.  I think the non gun owners are getting the worse end of this article.

I'm not saying I disagree there isn't a good reason for some of these, but implementing it is problematic for other reason.

Sure.. no problem, Government passes a law nobody can transfer a firearm to another person "privately" and must go to a FFL and have a background check performed... sounds good. But that would mean that the federal government would need a national fire arm registry to track every single fire arm cradle to grave.

That relies on every one to go and register the fire arms they already have. That's a problem, and so is the Federal Government having a national data base for every fire arm. So without that, then it is just unenforcable. Nobody can come looking for the guns I have or don't have now... because all I had to do was sell them and buy others privately. So it isn't tlike there is some "discrepancy" for what is or isn't in my home.

The data base is the data base. A check against it takes minutes. Now what is or isn't reported to the data base, and what the public thinks should or should not be included, well that is another discussion. But as it stands... the only thing reported is "criminal" or judicial rulings... "legally adjudicated mentally defficient"... or legally ruled alcoholic. So you have broken the law, had your due process, and have been found guilty, or in the process of possibly being forund guilty in a court of law, or judicial procedure... being on antidepressants, or going to a shrink because your are having marital problems does not count.

You, like many other concerned citizens, are looking for logic or rationale for a situation that will never provide the answers your looking for.  Gut instinct for most is to try to figure it out so the likelihood of a repeat or another threat is hampered.   In recent cases, folks are pointing at the weapons used for the answers.   What about the serial killers of the past?  Jack the ripper, Bundy,  Dahmer, Gacy?  Thy killed many more, but because they used ropes, knives etc vs. assault rifles we felt safer?  Probably not.  Point is, there are going to be people who will do great harm regardless of their choice of weapons.  I don't have the answers or pretend to nor do I think doing nothing is justifiable.  I just wish we wouldn't grasp at straws or rush into judgment so quickly with little known about the facts or consequences of our actions.  As in the case with the listing of these gun owners.  Rant off.

I've stayed out of the gun threads (and most others) because I am on the fence, but would like some explanation to the bolded.  I am not a gun expert, but have a couple of semi-auto shotguns.  Isn't the bolded not exactly true?  It is my impression that a .30-06 is a bolt action type of gun, so while one could shoot someone 400yds away, the likelihood of it taking out a group of people at that distance is highly unlikely due to the shooter having to release the bolt to discharge the shell, reloading, then scoping in at that distance.  By that time, the people being targeted would run for cover.   Truthfully, I would be more scared with someone holding a semi auto rifle with a large clip (regardless if the bullet has less power) than someone with a single shot rifle that takes a few more seconds to reload.   And before I get flamed, this really is an honest question.  Hopefully the gun experts can enlighten me on the types of .30-06.

It isn't "unsecured". All my doors and windows are locked, and I have a 55 lb, and a 75lb dog. My fire arm is secured 100% of the time. A floor safe is no safer if they break in and kill my dogs. It's never going to be Ft. Knox, and no home in America is. That is why it is unenforcable.

If I leave my loaded firearm on the table and the kid down the street grabs it in my house playing with my grand kid in for the weekend... I can be criminally charged... that is an unsecured weapon. But I don't have kids in my house, and when we have company, it goes in the safe. Seriously.

Do you remember the Texas university shooting? A sniper with a hunting 6mm bolt action rifle, a .357 revolver, and a M1 carbine. 14 dead, 32 wounded.

Do you remember the DC sniper? People were paralized from that not knowing where he was going to strike next. Very hard to catch.

You can't account for everything.... most people that die are killed with multiple shots... fewer rounds in a mag right... but it is a low power caliber(relatively), and those that get hit once live. A road rage incident here turned deadly... a guy got his .30-06 hunting rifle and shot 3 men in their car that chased him to his house. Each man was pronounced dead on the scene from one shot.