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 2013-02-04 8:32 PM in reply to: #4608240 |
Elite  6387    |  Subject: RE: Superbowljmhpsu93 - 2013-02-04 2:29 PM If you mismanage the clock and basically have your whole season riding on an up for grabs fade pattern (poorly thrown for that matter...), you deserve to lose the game. It would've been a shame for the refs to bail out the 49ers on that play, when they damn near let everything go contact-wise in this game (see: Flacco getting decked three yards out of bounds, Torrey Smith being obstructed at least twice). And Akers should get an Oscar for that acting job on the "running into the kicker" nonsense. But that's just a Bawlmer fan talkin'. I will always defalt to that. Even for my Broncos... that one play was a travesty.... but they lost for 60 minutes. Plenty of chances to put the game away. Niners should have never been in the position they were with one minute left... even the time out early in the half... bet they wish they had that too. Perhaps they should have player more for the first 30 minutes... maybe not let a guy run back 108 yards on the opening kick off when you are trying to get back in it. Just like boxing... you leave the decision up to the refs, don't be mad when it does not go your way. You had plenty of time to knock them out.
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| 2013-02-05 11:14 AM in reply to: #4608628 |
Pro 4909   Hailey, ID | Subject: RE: Superbowl powerman - 2013-02-04 7:32 PM jmhpsu93 - 2013-02-04 2:29 PM If you mismanage the clock and basically have your whole season riding on an up for grabs fade pattern (poorly thrown for that matter...), you deserve to lose the game. It would've been a shame for the refs to bail out the 49ers on that play, when they damn near let everything go contact-wise in this game (see: Flacco getting decked three yards out of bounds, Torrey Smith being obstructed at least twice). And Akers should get an Oscar for that acting job on the "running into the kicker" nonsense. But that's just a Bawlmer fan talkin'. I will always defalt to that. Even for my Broncos... that one play was a travesty.... but they lost for 60 minutes. Plenty of chances to put the game away. Niners should have never been in the position they were with one minute left... even the time out early in the half... bet they wish they had that too. Perhaps they should have player more for the first 30 minutes... maybe not let a guy run back 108 yards on the opening kick off when you are trying to get back in it. Just like boxing... you leave the decision up to the refs, don't be mad when it does not go your way. You had plenty of time to knock them out.
I'm sorry, I don't understand that mentality. Should the 49ers have been better, yes, but why is it okay for the refs to screw the game? If you are racing a tri, and you are going for first, and a guy drafts off of you for 5 mins in front of a ref and ends up beating you by 10 seconds, are you going to say that you shouldn't leave that up to the refs and if you were really meant to win you would have been way ahead in the first place? |
| 2013-02-05 11:46 AM in reply to: #4609463 |
Master 1585 Folsom (Sacramento), CA | Subject: RE: Superbowl bradword - 2013-02-05 9:14 AM powerman - 2013-02-04 7:32 PM I'm sorry, I don't understand that mentality. Should the 49ers have been better, yes, but why is it okay for the refs to screw the game? If you are racing a tri, and you are going for first, and a guy drafts off of you for 5 mins in front of a ref and ends up beating you by 10 seconds, are you going to say that you shouldn't leave that up to the refs and if you were really meant to win you would have been way ahead in the first place?jmhpsu93 - 2013-02-04 2:29 PM If you mismanage the clock and basically have your whole season riding on an up for grabs fade pattern (poorly thrown for that matter...), you deserve to lose the game. It would've been a shame for the refs to bail out the 49ers on that play, when they damn near let everything go contact-wise in this game (see: Flacco getting decked three yards out of bounds, Torrey Smith being obstructed at least twice). And Akers should get an Oscar for that acting job on the "running into the kicker" nonsense. But that's just a Bawlmer fan talkin'. I will always defalt to that. Even for my Broncos... that one play was a travesty.... but they lost for 60 minutes. Plenty of chances to put the game away. Niners should have never been in the position they were with one minute left... even the time out early in the half... bet they wish they had that too. Perhaps they should have player more for the first 30 minutes... maybe not let a guy run back 108 yards on the opening kick off when you are trying to get back in it. Just like boxing... you leave the decision up to the refs, don't be mad when it does not go your way. You had plenty of time to knock them out.
If they run out of water on the run course, you better not complain. You should have been faster so you were never in that position. |
| 2013-02-05 11:51 AM in reply to: #4607810 |
Master 1585 Folsom (Sacramento), CA | Subject: RE: Superbowl scoobysdad - 2013-02-04 9:52 AM IMO, you let the players determine the outcome at that point in the game, not the officials. The playcalling at the goal line were truly mystifying, as were Kaepernick's decisions. On third down, you're going to throw to a covered Crabtree for three yards in the flat? Really? He would have been better just pulling the ball down and running with it instead, especially with his speed and ability. To me, Kaepernick's inexperience really showed toward the end. Still, that kid is going to be a force for years to come. Missed this earlier, but I don't remember you feeling the same way about the fail mary.
Edit: To clarify, I am referring to the uncalled offensive PI. Edited by uclamatt2007 2013-02-05 12:00 PM |
| 2013-02-05 12:43 PM in reply to: #4609534 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: Superbowl |
| 2013-02-05 12:45 PM in reply to: #4609534 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: Superbowl uclamatt2007 - 2013-02-05 11:51 AM scoobysdad - 2013-02-04 9:52 AM IMO, you let the players determine the outcome at that point in the game, not the officials. The playcalling at the goal line were truly mystifying, as were Kaepernick's decisions. On third down, you're going to throw to a covered Crabtree for three yards in the flat? Really? He would have been better just pulling the ball down and running with it instead, especially with his speed and ability. To me, Kaepernick's inexperience really showed toward the end. Still, that kid is going to be a force for years to come. Missed this earlier, but I don't remember you feeling the same way about the fail mary. Â Edit: To clarify, I am referring to the uncalled offensive PI. IMO, there was a big difference between the hand-checking going on between BOTH Crabtree and the defender and Golden Tate blatantly pushing down a defender from behind (not to mention the fact that he never had simultaneous possession of the ball after the catch by MD Jennings.) I do think the obvious holding by Ravens should have been called on the safety play. And I'm not the only one to hold those views. Mike Perreira agrees with me on all counts. |
| 2013-02-05 12:46 PM in reply to: #4608613 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Superbowl jmk-brooklyn - 2013-02-04 8:25 PM jmhpsu93 - 2013-02-04 2:58 PM I just watched the play again. It's actually hilarious-the Ravens O-line is grabbing and holding all over the place. One lineman unabashedly tackles a Niner player. I understand that the result would have been the same, but shouldn't the refs have at least thrown flags? dmbfan4life20 - 2013-02-04 1:09 PM GO RAVENS!!! very happy for my team and it was a great game to watch. I dont think the last play was a foul. You are allowed to jam a receiver and have contact at the line of scrimmage for up to 5 yards. just because it was in the endzone, does not mean it wasnt within the 5 yards. Also, Crabtree ran into the defender trying to take him inside, at that point all bets are off. I dont think the ball would have been catchable either as it landed a bit out of bounds but either way I am happy with the no call. I am surprised that Carey Williams did not get ejected for shoving the ref but I am sure he will get a hefty fine by the end of the week. I liked the fact that the Refs let them play and didnt call everything. Made the game a little more exciting. And tried to push off Smith by shoving his hand to the top of his head. Crabtree initiated the contact and both players were fighting each other. And I can't understand why anyone is fussing about holding on the final safety/punt by Koch. Even if there are 10 holding penalties on the Ravens on that play, the exact same result would have happened (safety, 4 seconds left). I've read where the Ravens were specifically instructed to grab the 49er players to keep them from getting to Koch, ticking off precious seconds. Just a theory here and unless Ed Hochuli is on here under an alias we may not get an answer: I believe the Head Referee (guy with the white hat) is responsible for calling holding on the O-line. He's also responsible in the case of a deep endzone play like that to call the player down and stop the clock when the player steps out of the endzone. There are other zebras out there who could've called holding because it was so blatant, but they may have been focused on other things as well (sidelines, gunners, etc.). |
| 2013-02-05 12:47 PM in reply to: #4608613 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Superbowl jmk-brooklyn - 2013-02-04 8:25 PM jmhpsu93 - 2013-02-04 2:58 PM I just watched the play again. It's actually hilarious-the Ravens O-line is grabbing and holding all over the place. One lineman unabashedly tackles a Niner player. I understand that the result would have been the same, but shouldn't the refs have at least thrown flags? dmbfan4life20 - 2013-02-04 1:09 PM GO RAVENS!!! very happy for my team and it was a great game to watch. I dont think the last play was a foul. You are allowed to jam a receiver and have contact at the line of scrimmage for up to 5 yards. just because it was in the endzone, does not mean it wasnt within the 5 yards. Also, Crabtree ran into the defender trying to take him inside, at that point all bets are off. I dont think the ball would have been catchable either as it landed a bit out of bounds but either way I am happy with the no call. I am surprised that Carey Williams did not get ejected for shoving the ref but I am sure he will get a hefty fine by the end of the week. I liked the fact that the Refs let them play and didnt call everything. Made the game a little more exciting. And tried to push off Smith by shoving his hand to the top of his head. Crabtree initiated the contact and both players were fighting each other. And I can't understand why anyone is fussing about holding on the final safety/punt by Koch. Even if there are 10 holding penalties on the Ravens on that play, the exact same result would have happened (safety, 4 seconds left). I've read where the Ravens were specifically instructed to grab the 49er players to keep them from getting to Koch, ticking off precious seconds. Just a theory here and unless Ed Hochuli is on here under an alias we may not get an answer: I believe the Head Referee (guy with the white hat) is responsible for calling holding on the O-line. He's also responsible in the case of a deep endzone play like that to call the player down and stop the clock when the player steps out of the endzone. There are other zebras out there who could've called holding because it was so blatant, but they may have been focused on other things as well (sidelines, gunners, etc.). |
| 2013-02-07 8:56 AM in reply to: #4606992 |
Master 2500 Crab Cake City | Subject: RE: Superbowl It seems alot of people around the media and on this forum still believe the Ravens shouldnt have won this game and didnt deserve to be in the Super Bowl in the first place. People love to hate on the Ravens and Baltimore in general. As a team and a city, I think we thrive on that but to say we didnt deserve it or that SF got cheated out of a victory is not true. The Ravens deserved to win and they did. They were the overall better team that night and like many other Super Bowl Champions, they were a team who got hot at the right moment. Whatever happens in the regular season becomes irrelevant once the post-season starts. Flacco might have struggled during the regular season but in the post season his QBR was over 80% and he tied the NFL record for most TD's (11) in the post season with 0 interceptions. Our Defense got healthy at the right time and stepped up and so did our WR's when their numbers were called. Overall I think it was a great Post season for us and I thought it was a great Super Bowl Game (minus the blackout). One thing I would be concerned with if I were a 49ers fan was not that "foul" on the last play of the game but rather the abondonment of the Pistol Formation during the game. I also think from 5yrd out with a big O line and a QB like Kapernick, they should have tried to run him into the End Zone instead of throw it numerous times. Alot of "Could, Woulda and Shoulda" in this game but in the end, only 1 team gets the trophy. I think SF will be back to the show in a year or 2. Young and talented team with a great coach and QB with tons of potential and they should be exciting to watch. Here was the situation: the 49ers had the ball, fourth-and-goal from the Baltimore 5-yard line with 1:50 left in the game. Baltimore led, 34-29. Kaepernick lofted a pass to Michael Crabtree, who was being guarded by Jimmy Smith. Both players were hand fighting and when you look at this play in real time, there's not enough to call pass interference against either player. Smith had a quick grab and Crabtree had a quick push-off. Smith went down on the play and the pass fell incomplete. Crabtree never complained and it's the type of play where a flag thrown against either team would have, in my mind, created more controversy than a decision not to throw the flag. By the way, it couldn't be defensive holding because the pass was in the air when the contact occurred. It's either offensive pass interference or defensive pass interference. It was not an obvious foul and until I looked at it in slow motion, it seemed like no foul at all. It's not a penalty I would want called if I were still VP of Officiating for the NFL. *This came offline from the former VP of Officiating for the NFL (Mike P). Seems like the right call was made in this instance for the final offensive play for the 49er's. I know that I would blame and curse the Ref's for a no call if the rolls have been reversed but a no call was the right call. Overall I DID think there was a lack of penalties called throughout the game. I think 7 total? That is pretty low but its the Super Bowl, they were letting them "play" I guess. I did see fouls both ways that werent called so I guess it was the nature of that game. I do agree that it was an OBVIOUS hold on the Ravens during the punt that resulted in a safety. But honestly, why not? If you get called for it, time still ticks away and it results in exactly what you were trying to accomplish in the first place, a safety. Maybe it would have saved SF 3 seconds of game clock but I still think the same result would have happend. |
| 2013-02-07 10:13 AM in reply to: #4612544 |
Master 1585 Folsom (Sacramento), CA | Subject: RE: Superbowl dmbfan4life20 - 2013-02-07 6:56 AM It seems alot of people around the media and on this forum still believe the Ravens shouldnt have won this game and didnt deserve to be in the Super Bowl in the first place. People love to hate on the Ravens and Baltimore in general. As a team and a city, I think we thrive on that but to say we didnt deserve it or that SF got cheated out of a victory is not true. The Ravens deserved to win and they did. They were the overall better team that night and like many other Super Bowl Champions, they were a team who got hot at the right moment. Whatever happens in the regular season becomes irrelevant once the post-season starts. Flacco might have struggled during the regular season but in the post season his QBR was over 80% and he tied the NFL record for most TD's (11) in the post season with 0 interceptions. Our Defense got healthy at the right time and stepped up and so did our WR's when their numbers were called. Overall I think it was a great Post season for us and I thought it was a great Super Bowl Game (minus the blackout). One thing I would be concerned with if I were a 49ers fan was not that "foul" on the last play of the game but rather the abondonment of the Pistol Formation during the game. I also think from 5yrd out with a big O line and a QB like Kapernick, they should have tried to run him into the End Zone instead of throw it numerous times. Alot of "Could, Woulda and Shoulda" in this game but in the end, only 1 team gets the trophy. I think SF will be back to the show in a year or 2. Young and talented team with a great coach and QB with tons of potential and they should be exciting to watch. Here was the situation: the 49ers had the ball, fourth-and-goal from the Baltimore 5-yard line with 1:50 left in the game. Baltimore led, 34-29. Kaepernick lofted a pass to Michael Crabtree, who was being guarded by Jimmy Smith. Both players were hand fighting and when you look at this play in real time, there's not enough to call pass interference against either player. Smith had a quick grab and Crabtree had a quick push-off. Smith went down on the play and the pass fell incomplete. Crabtree never complained and it's the type of play where a flag thrown against either team would have, in my mind, created more controversy than a decision not to throw the flag. By the way, it couldn't be defensive holding because the pass was in the air when the contact occurred. It's either offensive pass interference or defensive pass interference. It was not an obvious foul and until I looked at it in slow motion, it seemed like no foul at all. It's not a penalty I would want called if I were still VP of Officiating for the NFL. *This came offline from the former VP of Officiating for the NFL (Mike P). Seems like the right call was made in this instance for the final offensive play for the 49er's. I know that I would blame and curse the Ref's for a no call if the rolls have been reversed but a no call was the right call. Overall I DID think there was a lack of penalties called throughout the game. I think 7 total? That is pretty low but its the Super Bowl, they were letting them "play" I guess. I did see fouls both ways that werent called so I guess it was the nature of that game. I do agree that it was an OBVIOUS hold on the Ravens during the punt that resulted in a safety. But honestly, why not? If you get called for it, time still ticks away and it results in exactly what you were trying to accomplish in the first place, a safety. Maybe it would have saved SF 3 seconds of game clock but I still think the same result would have happend. I don't think there is any way to say that one team was better than the other that night. The game came down to a few key plays that broke in favor Baltimore. The results could have very easily gone the other way. If targeting had been called on 3rd down or PI on 4th, we likely would have seen the Ravens needing a drive to win the game. Realistically, the Ravens put themselves in the same position as the 49ers did, needing a call (or non-call) from an official to win the game. They just got it. I still think the most intriguing end to the game would have been if the 49ers scored and gave the ball to Flacco for a potential game winning drive. That's where we would have seen if he deserved the team crippling contract he is about to get. |
| 2013-02-07 1:52 PM in reply to: #4606992 |
Master 2500 Crab Cake City | Subject: RE: Superbowl I think that Joe Flacco is the most underrated QB in the league. He does not make alot of noise but he silently is one of the top 5 QB's in the league (IMO). Not to mention he has probably the best long ball in the NFL, his career QBR is 86.3%. You can dismiss his franchise stats Below if you want but they are a large part of why he is getting his contract. He is the best QB we have ever had and he is a great fit into our organization. Here are a few of the reasons why Joe Flacco deserves and will get, his Large Contract (not to meniton he just won the SB47 & was SB MVP): NFL records
Ravens franchise records
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| 2013-02-07 2:03 PM in reply to: #4606992 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Superbowl dmbfan, I like Flacco as well, but the fact is that his passer rating is not in the top ten since he joined the league. His Playoff record overall isn't great. And his playoff passer rating is not good. Before this year, I'd say he was a liability in the playoffs. Most of what you mention has to do with being the highest paid QB on a team built around their Defense. His job is to not turn the ball over. Not necessarily to drive his offense down the field. Let's give him another year like he had in this year's playoffs and he'll be considered elite. Until then, if I had to choose a QB to lead my team down the field in the 4th quarter in the playoffs, I think I'd pick about 5 or 6 guys ahead of Joe Cool. |
| 2013-02-07 2:28 PM in reply to: #4613183 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: Superbowl GomesBolt - 2013-02-07 2:03 PM dmbfan, I like Flacco as well, but the fact is that his passer rating is not in the top ten since he joined the league. His Playoff record overall isn't great. And his playoff passer rating is not good. Before this year, I'd say he was a liability in the playoffs. Most of what you mention has to do with being the highest paid QB on a team built around their Defense. His job is to not turn the ball over. Not necessarily to drive his offense down the field. Let's give him another year like he had in this year's playoffs and he'll be considered elite. Until then, if I had to choose a QB to lead my team down the field in the 4th quarter in the playoffs, I think I'd pick about 5 or 6 guys ahead of Joe Cool. Just 5 or 6? I'd go deeper than that. Flacco has been around long enough now that we know what he is-- a game manager QB who get on streaks, both good and bad. There were times this year when even Ravens management had to question whether he was their franchise QB going forward. NOw, with his success in the postseason, they are going to forced to pay Top 5 money for a guy who has shown he's probably no more than a Top 12 - 15 talent. My prediction is the Ravens are going to regret the contract they give him for a long time. That's not to say Flacco will be a bad QB, just a vastly overpaid one for his production on the field and it will kill that team in other areas. But the Ravens got their SB rings. Other teams would make that trade in a heartbeat. Atlanta just traded away their entire draft for a player they thought would put them over the top (Julio Jones) and they have nothing to show for it with a window that's closing quickly. |
| 2013-02-07 2:39 PM in reply to: #4613183 |
Master 2725 Washington, DC Metro | Subject: RE: Superbowl GomesBolt - 2013-02-07 3:03 PM dmbfan, I like Flacco as well, but the fact is that his passer rating is not in the top ten since he joined the league. His Playoff record overall isn't great. And his playoff passer rating is not good. Before this year, I'd say he was a liability in the playoffs. Most of what you mention has to do with being the highest paid QB on a team built around their Defense. His job is to not turn the ball over. Not necessarily to drive his offense down the field. Let's give him another year like he had in this year's playoffs and he'll be considered elite. Until then, if I had to choose a QB to lead my team down the field in the 4th quarter in the playoffs, I think I'd pick about 5 or 6 guys ahead of Joe Cool. ^^^ This Flacco is an average NFL QB, not top 10 and most certainly not top 5. The two biggest measures are the old school Passer Rating and the new Total QBR, here are Joe's numbers for the last 4 years:
Passer rating: 2012 12th 2011 18th 2010 7th 2009 13th Total QBR: 2012 25th 2011 14th 2010 12th 2009 15th Not bad numbers in fact almost in the top 1/3 pretty consistently, but nothing that would justify being the highest paid QB in the NFL. |
| 2013-02-07 3:06 PM in reply to: #4613183 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Superbowl GomesBolt - 2013-02-07 3:03 PM dmbfan, I like Flacco as well, but the fact is that his passer rating is not in the top ten since he joined the league. His Playoff record overall isn't great. And his playoff passer rating is not good. Before this year, I'd say he was a liability in the playoffs. Most of what you mention has to do with being the highest paid QB on a team built around their Defense. His job is to not turn the ball over. Not necessarily to drive his offense down the field. Let's give him another year like he had in this year's playoffs and he'll be considered elite. Until then, if I had to choose a QB to lead my team down the field in the 4th quarter in the playoffs, I think I'd pick about 5 or 6 guys ahead of Joe Cool. And let's not get too carried away with franchise records... for the Ravens |
| 2013-02-07 3:29 PM in reply to: #4613294 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Superbowl mrbbrad - 2013-02-07 3:06 PM GomesBolt - 2013-02-07 3:03 PM dmbfan, I like Flacco as well, but the fact is that his passer rating is not in the top ten since he joined the league. His Playoff record overall isn't great. And his playoff passer rating is not good. Before this year, I'd say he was a liability in the playoffs. Most of what you mention has to do with being the highest paid QB on a team built around their Defense. His job is to not turn the ball over. Not necessarily to drive his offense down the field. Let's give him another year like he had in this year's playoffs and he'll be considered elite. Until then, if I had to choose a QB to lead my team down the field in the 4th quarter in the playoffs, I think I'd pick about 5 or 6 guys ahead of Joe Cool. And let's not get too carried away with franchise records... for the Ravens snerk. I wasn't gonna go bashing the old Browns. They had Kosar at one time playing pretty good. |
| 2013-02-07 3:32 PM in reply to: #4613226 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Superbowl scoobysdad - 2013-02-07 2:28 PM Atlanta just traded away their entire draft for a player they thought would put them over the top (Julio Jones) and they have nothing to show for it with a window that's closing quickly. That's just silly. They made it to the NFC Championship this year. Context Scoob! There are 32 teams in the NFL. Being top-4 is a GREAT season. Being top-8 is a Great season. Making the Playoffs is a good season. Everyone else is having nothing to show for it. |
| 2013-02-07 4:11 PM in reply to: #4613163 |
| Veteran 458 Minnesota | Subject: RE: Superbowl dmbfan4life20 - 2013-02-07 1:52 PM I think that Joe Flacco is the most underrated QB in the league. He does not make alot of noise but he silently is one of the top 5 QB's in the league (IMO). Not to mention he has probably the best long ball in the NFL, his career QBR is 86.3%. You can dismiss his franchise stats Below if you want but they are a large part of why he is getting his contract. He is the best QB we have ever had and he is a great fit into our organization. Here are a few of the reasons why Joe Flacco deserves and will get, his Large Contract (not to meniton he just won the SB47 & was SB MVP): NFL records
Ravens franchise records
Off the top of my head: Brady P Manning Rodgers Brees E Manning RG III Luck M Ryan C Newton B Rothlisberger T Romo M Stafford C Kapernick R Wilson P Rivers J Freeman A Dalton To me Flacco fits somewhere in that third group. Short term or long term, there are a number of guys I think rate ahead of Flacco. |
| 2013-02-07 4:15 PM in reply to: #4613386 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: Superbowl TriJedi - 2013-02-07 3:11 PM dmbfan4life20 - 2013-02-07 1:52 PM Off the top of my head: Brady P Manning Rodgers Brees E Manning RG III Luck M Ryan C Newton B Rothlisberger T Romo M Stafford C Kapernick R Wilson P Rivers J Freeman A Dalton To me Flacco fits somewhere in that third group. Short term or long term, there are a number of guys I think rate ahead of Flacco.I think that Joe Flacco is the most underrated QB in the league. He does not make alot of noise but he silently is one of the top 5 QB's in the league (IMO). Not to mention he has probably the best long ball in the NFL, his career QBR is 86.3%. You can dismiss his franchise stats Below if you want but they are a large part of why he is getting his contract. He is the best QB we have ever had and he is a great fit into our organization. Here are a few of the reasons why Joe Flacco deserves and will get, his Large Contract (not to meniton he just won the SB47 & was SB MVP): NFL records
Ravens franchise records
Your groups are crazy, what did Luck or RG3 do to get up with 2x SB winner and ahead of another 2x SB winner?
Flacco is a mediocre regular season QB but a good/great playoff QB. His playoff record is 9-4 I believe, not many people have a better playoff record than that. I wouldn't pay $20M/yr for him though. |
| 2013-02-07 4:30 PM in reply to: #4613391 |
| Veteran 458 Minnesota | Subject: RE: Superbowl JoshR - 2013-02-07 4:15 PM TriJedi - 2013-02-07 3:11 PM dmbfan4life20 - 2013-02-07 1:52 PM Off the top of my head: Brady P Manning Rodgers Brees E Manning RG III Luck M Ryan C Newton B Rothlisberger T Romo M Stafford C Kapernick R Wilson P Rivers J Freeman A Dalton To me Flacco fits somewhere in that third group. Short term or long term, there are a number of guys I think rate ahead of Flacco.I think that Joe Flacco is the most underrated QB in the league. He does not make alot of noise but he silently is one of the top 5 QB's in the league (IMO). Not to mention he has probably the best long ball in the NFL, his career QBR is 86.3%. You can dismiss his franchise stats Below if you want but they are a large part of why he is getting his contract. He is the best QB we have ever had and he is a great fit into our organization. Here are a few of the reasons why Joe Flacco deserves and will get, his Large Contract (not to meniton he just won the SB47 & was SB MVP): NFL records
Ravens franchise records
Your groups are crazy, what did Luck or RG3 do to get up with 2x SB winner and ahead of another 2x SB winner?
Flacco is a mediocre regular season QB but a good/great playoff QB. His playoff record is 9-4 I believe, not many people have a better playoff record than that. I wouldn't pay $20M/yr for him though. By long term or short term, I meant that there are guys I would take over Flacco depending on the situation. Short Term, meaning a few seasons, I would take older QBs like Brady and Brees. Long Term, I would take a take the upside of a guy like Andrew Luck. |
| 2013-02-07 4:43 PM in reply to: #4606992 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Superbowl I know this is likely to start a war... but RG3's upside may be limited because he's a mobility QB with a severely limiting injury for a mobility QB. He's either gonna be the comeback player of the year in the next 2 seasons or the downfall of the Mike Shanahan era in DC... |
| 2013-02-07 4:51 PM in reply to: #4613416 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: Superbowl GomesBolt - 2013-02-07 3:43 PM I know this is likely to start a war... but RG3's upside may be limited because he's a mobility QB with a severely limiting injury for a mobility QB. He's either gonna be the comeback player of the year in the next 2 seasons or the downfall of the Mike Shanahan era in DC... He needs to watch Wilson and Kaepernick. They both know how to not push for that extra yard and avoid the big hit. |
| 2013-02-07 5:02 PM in reply to: #4613430 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Superbowl JoshR - 2013-02-07 4:51 PM GomesBolt - 2013-02-07 3:43 PM I know this is likely to start a war... but RG3's upside may be limited because he's a mobility QB with a severely limiting injury for a mobility QB. He's either gonna be the comeback player of the year in the next 2 seasons or the downfall of the Mike Shanahan era in DC... He needs to watch Wilson and Kaepernick. They both know how to not push for that extra yard and avoid the big hit. Vick was the same way always diving for the end zone and stuff like that. I like RGIII. He's a good person as well as an incredible athlete. I hope the knee recovers, but I fear he'll just go for the extra yard one time too many and blam!
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| 2013-02-07 5:24 PM in reply to: #4613391 |
| Veteran 458 Minnesota | Subject: RE: Superbowl JoshR - 2013-02-07 4:15 PM TriJedi - 2013-02-07 3:11 PM dmbfan4life20 - 2013-02-07 1:52 PM Off the top of my head: Brady P Manning Rodgers Brees E Manning RG III Luck M Ryan C Newton B Rothlisberger T Romo M Stafford C Kapernick R Wilson P Rivers J Freeman A Dalton To me Flacco fits somewhere in that third group. Short term or long term, there are a number of guys I think rate ahead of Flacco.I think that Joe Flacco is the most underrated QB in the league. He does not make alot of noise but he silently is one of the top 5 QB's in the league (IMO). Not to mention he has probably the best long ball in the NFL, his career QBR is 86.3%. You can dismiss his franchise stats Below if you want but they are a large part of why he is getting his contract. He is the best QB we have ever had and he is a great fit into our organization. Here are a few of the reasons why Joe Flacco deserves and will get, his Large Contract (not to meniton he just won the SB47 & was SB MVP): NFL records
Ravens franchise records
Your groups are crazy, what did Luck or RG3 do to get up with 2x SB winner and ahead of another 2x SB winner?
Flacco is a mediocre regular season QB but a good/great playoff QB. His playoff record is 9-4 I believe, not many people have a better playoff record than that. I wouldn't pay $20M/yr for him though. I guess I shouldn't have tried to put two different thoughts (QBs better than Flacco and QBs I'd take ovre Flacco going forward)into one list. So I'll try again. I think that there are QBs that have been better than Flacco over the last few seasons or have been better over their careers Brady Rodgers Brees Payton Eli I also look at Flacco as a Free Agent (given his contract situation) and about teams building their team around a QB and going forward long term. In that situation there is the upside of younger guys like: Luck RG III Then there are other guys, some have had more sucess, some have more upside, some have performed at a similar level: Ryan Newton Rothlisberger Stafford Romo Wilson Kapernick Rivers How many QBs on that list would you take for your franchise before you got to Flacco? |
| 2013-02-07 5:28 PM in reply to: #4613476 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: Superbowl TriJedi - 2013-02-07 4:24 PM I guess I shouldn't have tried to put two different thoughts (QBs better than Flacco and QBs I'd take ovre Flacco going forward)into one list. So I'll try again. I think that there are QBs that have been better than Flacco over the last few seasons or have been better over their careers Brady Rodgers Brees Payton Eli I also look at Flacco as a Free Agent (given his contract situation) and about teams building their team around a QB and going forward long term. In that situation there is the upside of younger guys like: Luck RG III Then there are other guys, some have had more sucess, some have more upside, some have performed at a similar level: Ryan Newton Rothlisberger Stafford Romo Wilson Kapernick Rivers How many QBs on that list would you take for your franchise before you got to Flacco?
As a Seahawks fan, I'm offended you left Russel Wilson out of the rookie category, but I'm still not sure how I feel about Flacco. I'd like him if he were mid-level priced at say $10-$14M/yr but not at the $20M he's going to get. |
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