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2006-10-26 2:28 PM
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2006-10-26 2:28 PM
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2006-10-26 2:28 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 2:25 PM

 

The main reason I think the decision stinks is it adulterizes the sport. I made the point ealier about a hypothetical decision to shorten IM Hawaii to two hours so that it would neatly fit into a broadcast. This decision isn't much different than that.

'Splain to me how moving swimming finals to the morning "adulterizes the sport" as much as shortening an Ironman to two hours.

2006-10-26 2:28 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 2:27 PM
spokes - 2006-10-26 3:27 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 2:26 PM
DerekL - 2006-10-26 3:19 PM

Wait, Jim has an INNER hippie too?

Good lord.

According to Autumn's quiz, I'm only a wannabe hippie. And I'm on record here against jam bands, so take that as you will.

So, no 25:00+ minute long Freebird jams for you, eh? 

And don't get me started on drum solos.

 

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2006-10-26 2:30 PM
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2006-10-26 2:31 PM
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spokes - 2006-10-26 3:30 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 2:27 PM
spokes - 2006-10-26 3:27 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 2:26 PM
DerekL - 2006-10-26 3:19 PM

Wait, Jim has an INNER hippie too?

Good lord.

According to Autumn's quiz, I'm only a wannabe hippie. And I'm on record here against jam bands, so take that as you will.

So, no 25:00+ minute long Freebird jams for you, eh?

And don't get me started on drum solos.

Even if its NEIL PEART?

Look at that kit. Please tell me why all of that is necessary.



2006-10-26 2:33 PM
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the bear - 2006-10-26 3:28 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 2:25 PM

 

The main reason I think the decision stinks is it adulterizes the sport. I made the point ealier about a hypothetical decision to shorten IM Hawaii to two hours so that it would neatly fit into a broadcast. This decision isn't much different than that.

'Splain to me how moving swimming finals to the morning "adulterizes the sport" as much as shortening an Ironman to two hours.

It changes the very nature of the event. Maybe it's more akin to if they changed it to run/bike/swim.

2006-10-26 2:36 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 3:25 PM

The main reason I think the decision stinks is it adulterizes the sport. I made the point ealier about a hypothetical decision to shorten IM Hawaii to two hours so that it would neatly fit into a broadcast. This decision isn't much different than that.



The same could be said about the DH rule in baseball.

And as for your comparison, not really. Shortening it to 2 hours would dramatically alter the event itself. It would have to have all the distances shortened severely, and would therefore not even be an Ironman event. Far as I know, they're just juggling the scheduling of things. And I don't think changing the timing of when an event is held adulterizes the sport. The real issue here is a matter of "We've always done it this way, we don't see a need to change it", and now someone comes along and changes it. They haven't shortened or lengthened the distances. They haven't modified the actual event in ANY way. They only really changed the start time. I guess I don't see the major issue with that.
2006-10-26 2:38 PM
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2006-10-26 2:42 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 2:33 PM

It changes the very nature of the event. Maybe it's more akin to if they changed it to run/bike/swim.

Seems to me it would be more like starting the ironman at noon.  Although without the factors of the heat and sleep cycle getting in the way, as the swimming events are much shorter and indoors.

2006-10-26 2:53 PM
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bcotten534 - 2006-10-26 3:42 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 2:33 PM

It changes the very nature of the event. Maybe it's more akin to if they changed it to run/bike/swim.

Seems to me it would be more like starting the ironman at noon.  Although without the factors of the heat and sleep cycle getting in the way, as the swimming events are much shorter and indoors.

Maybe this is one of those things where unless you're a competitive swimmer, you can't really get how much of a sea change this is.

Swimmers are ingrained to a morning prelim/evening final mentality. It's like trying to change circadian rhythms. Swimmers are *used* to saving their best performances for the evening. It's going to force athletes to change their sleep habits, their training habits, their eating habits.

 



2006-10-26 2:59 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 2:53 PM

Maybe this is one of those things where unless you're a competitive swimmer, you can't really get how much of a sea change this is.

More likely, it's one of those things where unless you're an anal malcontent a competitive swimmer, you really don't give a rat's @$$.

Cool

2006-10-26 3:02 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 3:53 PM

Maybe this is one of those things where unless you're a competitive swimmer, you can't really get how much of a sea change this is.

Swimmers are ingrained to a morning prelim/evening final mentality. It's like trying to change circadian rhythms. Swimmers are *used* to saving their best performances for the evening. It's going to force athletes to change their sleep habits, their training habits, their eating habits.

YUP. It's a really dickheaded thing NBC pulled.

Know what sucks? Because your thread title was so inflammatory, nobody WANTS to get your message, Jim. Your perfectly valid point is lost. NBC pulled a major bullshitty stunt and everyone shrugs. Let that be a lesson to you!

Now let's sing Kumbaya.



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2006-10-26 3:05 PM
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the bear - 2006-10-26 3:59 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 2:53 PM

Maybe this is one of those things where unless you're a competitive swimmer, you can't really get how much of a sea change this is.

More likely, it's one of those things where unless you're an anal malcontent a competitive swimmer, you really don't give a rat's @$$.

Cool

Probably.

2006-10-26 3:08 PM
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Renee - 2006-10-26 3:02 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 3:53 PM

Maybe this is one of those things where unless you're a competitive swimmer, you can't really get how much of a sea change this is.

Swimmers are ingrained to a morning prelim/evening final mentality. It's like trying to change circadian rhythms. Swimmers are *used* to saving their best performances for the evening. It's going to force athletes to change their sleep habits, their training habits, their eating habits.

YUP. It's a really dickheaded thing NBC pulled.

Well to be fair, the IOC was the one who changed it.



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2006-10-26 3:10 PM
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bcotten534 - 2006-10-26 4:08 PM
Renee - 2006-10-26 3:02 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 3:53 PM

Maybe this is one of those things where unless you're a competitive swimmer, you can't really get how much of a sea change this is.

Swimmers are ingrained to a morning prelim/evening final mentality. It's like trying to change circadian rhythms. Swimmers are *used* to saving their best performances for the evening. It's going to force athletes to change their sleep habits, their training habits, their eating habits.

YUP. It's a really dickheaded thing NBC pulled.

Well to be fair, the IOC was the one who changed it.

Well to be fair in kind then, the IOC are dickheads, too.



2006-10-26 3:11 PM
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bcotten534 - 2006-10-26 4:08 PM
Renee - 2006-10-26 3:02 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 3:53 PM

Maybe this is one of those things where unless you're a competitive swimmer, you can't really get how much of a sea change this is.

Swimmers are ingrained to a morning prelim/evening final mentality. It's like trying to change circadian rhythms. Swimmers are *used* to saving their best performances for the evening. It's going to force athletes to change their sleep habits, their training habits, their eating habits.

YUP. It's a really dickheaded thing NBC pulled.

Well to be fair, the IOC was the one who changed it.

At the behest of NBC. The IOC wouldn't have touched the schedule if they weren't pressured by the broadcaster. NBC promises increased ratings because less people will be watching on the internet, and the IOC gets a share of the profits.

So yeah, the IOC made the decision, but NBC is the root cause.

2006-10-26 3:15 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 3:11 PM
bcotten534 - 2006-10-26 4:08 PM
Renee - 2006-10-26 3:02 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 3:53 PM

Maybe this is one of those things where unless you're a competitive swimmer, you can't really get how much of a sea change this is.

Swimmers are ingrained to a morning prelim/evening final mentality. It's like trying to change circadian rhythms. Swimmers are *used* to saving their best performances for the evening. It's going to force athletes to change their sleep habits, their training habits, their eating habits.

YUP. It's a really dickheaded thing NBC pulled.

Well to be fair, the IOC was the one who changed it.

At the behest of NBC. The IOC wouldn't have touched the schedule if they weren't pressured by the broadcaster. NBC promises increased ratings because less people will be watching on the internet, and the IOC gets a share of the profits.

So yeah, the IOC made the decision, but NBC is the root cause.

Following your logic, it's the viewers who are the root cause. So go blame yourselves, dickheads.

I'll be watching HBO that night.



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2006-10-26 3:16 PM
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the bear - 2006-10-26 4:15 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 3:11 PM
bcotten534 - 2006-10-26 4:08 PM
Renee - 2006-10-26 3:02 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 3:53 PM

Maybe this is one of those things where unless you're a competitive swimmer, you can't really get how much of a sea change this is.

Swimmers are ingrained to a morning prelim/evening final mentality. It's like trying to change circadian rhythms. Swimmers are *used* to saving their best performances for the evening. It's going to force athletes to change their sleep habits, their training habits, their eating habits.

YUP. It's a really dickheaded thing NBC pulled.

Well to be fair, the IOC was the one who changed it.

At the behest of NBC. The IOC wouldn't have touched the schedule if they weren't pressured by the broadcaster. NBC promises increased ratings because less people will be watching on the internet, and the IOC gets a share of the profits.

So yeah, the IOC made the decision, but NBC is the root cause.

Following your logic, it's the viewers who are the root cause. So go blame yourselves, dickheads.

Well...you know what I say about people.

2006-10-26 3:17 PM
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the bear - 2006-10-26 4:15 PM

Following your logic, it's the viewers who are the root cause. So go blame yourselves, dickheads.

I'll be watching HBO that night.

HAHAHAHA! Damn dirty dickhead viewers.

2006-10-26 3:23 PM
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2006-10-26 3:23 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 12:31 PM
spokes - 2006-10-26 3:30 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 2:27 PM
spokes - 2006-10-26 3:27 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 2:26 PM
DerekL - 2006-10-26 3:19 PM

Wait, Jim has an INNER hippie too?

Good lord.

According to Autumn's quiz, I'm only a wannabe hippie. And I'm on record here against jam bands, so take that as you will.

So, no 25:00+ minute long Freebird jams for you, eh?

And don't get me started on drum solos.

Even if its NEIL PEART?

Look at that kit. Please tell me why all of that is necessary.

All right, now you've done it, you can trash Bush, Cheney, the US, whatever, all you want, but I will NOT STAND FOR denigration of the greatest Canadian rock and roll drummer of all time!!!!

now, take that back

2006-10-26 3:27 PM
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ChrisM - 2006-10-26 4:23 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 12:31 PM
spokes - 2006-10-26 3:30 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 2:27 PM
spokes - 2006-10-26 3:27 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 2:26 PM
DerekL - 2006-10-26 3:19 PM

Wait, Jim has an INNER hippie too?

Good lord.

According to Autumn's quiz, I'm only a wannabe hippie. And I'm on record here against jam bands, so take that as you will.

So, no 25:00+ minute long Freebird jams for you, eh?

And don't get me started on drum solos.

Even if its NEIL PEART?

Look at that kit. Please tell me why all of that is necessary.

All right, now you've done it, you can trash Bush, Cheney, the US, whatever, all you want, but I will NOT STAND FOR denigration of the greatest Canadian rock and roll drummer of all time!!!!

now, take that back

e man, but that kit is ridiculous. What's he compensating for?

2006-10-26 3:29 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 1:27 PM
ChrisM - 2006-10-26 4:23 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 12:31 PM
spokes - 2006-10-26 3:30 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 2:27 PM
spokes - 2006-10-26 3:27 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 2:26 PM
DerekL - 2006-10-26 3:19 PM

Wait, Jim has an INNER hippie too?

Good lord.

According to Autumn's quiz, I'm only a wannabe hippie. And I'm on record here against jam bands, so take that as you will.

So, no 25:00+ minute long Freebird jams for you, eh?

And don't get me started on drum solos.

Even if its NEIL PEART?

Look at that kit. Please tell me why all of that is necessary.

All right, now you've done it, you can trash Bush, Cheney, the US, whatever, all you want, but I will NOT STAND FOR denigration of the greatest Canadian rock and roll drummer of all time!!!!

now, take that back

e man, but that kit is ridiculous. What's he compensating for?

Just as only a true swimmer can appreciate your grievance (thus removing me from true swimmer ranks), only a true drummer can appreciate not only the kit, but the user.  Some drummers have kits like that, but they are just poseurs.  Master Peart makes every part of that sing.

2006-10-26 3:37 PM
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Who cares - we live in a technologically advanced world with interactive shows - I'll tape it and watch it when I get home.

If the IOC are weak enough to bend over and take one from the Americans more fool them - it's not Americas fault.

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