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2013-11-14 2:44 PM
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Originally posted by Asalzwed Think I'm finally feeling back to "normal." Had a track workout last night. 5 x 1200 @ 4:42 followed by a 12' hilly run then 5 x 30 second hard hills. It was a long hard workout. Taking an "rest" day today. I'll still run when i go to packet pickup but it'll be super short.

That's a super tough workout.  You truly are a glutton for punishment.  I did 4 x 1000 a few weeks ago and I-pace stuff is the hardest.  Good job. 

I prefer these types of intervals over hard tempo runs! I think I have a reasonable ability to recover so it reaaaallly helps. Plus there is the mental aspect of "pssssh it's just 3 laps. That's nothin' compared to 4 miles."

The hardest part of this was probably those 12 minutes of "easy" running in the hills because I was fatigued from the 1200s but more or less unable to totally kick back and go into recovery mode because we had 5 hill sprints coming up.



2013-11-14 2:59 PM
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Since we're in the spirit of sharing photos.  Pics from my 10K came in, and I found one of me right before I finished.  So that's what I look like pushing my threshold...

 

 

Matt!  Your face with the Honey Badger shirt is PRICELESS!  So awesome!  And knowing the PR behind it makes it even better :)

The back of the shirt says "DON'T CARE!"  I love the name of my team.  It was my second choice for our name.  The first was "Team Steiner", but no one else seemed to want to go with that one.

What?!?!  Ugh, losers:)

Your shirts are awesome!

2013-11-14 3:01 PM
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This was 32 years ago.  That is still my race singlet.

STEVE!  You're HOT!  Can I say that? Is that weird?  :)

Uh and he's aged nicely!!!! I've seen him!

Steve, even the lesbian says so, dayum;)

2013-11-14 3:06 PM
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Staying more disciplined with training efforts and volume seems to be helping. Pushed it a bit on the trainer tonight to see how things were going. ~2 1/2 that included an hour at 302 and then 2 x 20' at 326 & 328. And it wasn't *that* hard to get through. Don't have all specifics for Saturday worked out yet, but should be able to ride well again so long as I stay smart the next two days. Only the swim tomorrow should be hard.

So, your FTP is ~326?  But you did an hour at 302 and 2 x 20 at FTP all in 2.5 hours? 

You are a freakin machine!

Do you find that scheduling a hard swim the day after a hard bike is the best sequence?  I have been trying to figure that out a bit, but I have noticed my legs can feel tired in the pool and that makes some of the longer intervals hard.  It could be that I'm just not strong enough on the swim yet, though.

 

Can't believe you posted this.  Tonight I'm taking my son to his first real concert to see his favorite musician.  Alice Cooper!!

Wait, what? How old is your son? He's like 8, right?  Alice Cooper?

I'm sending you a parenting trophy. Freakin awesome!

Yep, he's 8.  He's been learning to play the drums and had to pick a song to learn.  "Eighteen"!! 

2013-11-14 3:09 PM
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Originally posted by switch

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This was 32 years ago.  That is still my race singlet.

STEVE!  You're HOT!  Can I say that? Is that weird? 

Uh and he's aged nicely!!!! I've seen him!

Steve, even the lesbian says so, dayum

Yeah, that's gotta be double points or something. 

 

 

2013-11-14 3:13 PM
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Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by popsracer

This was 32 years ago.  That is still my race singlet.

STEVE!  You're HOT!  Can I say that? Is that weird?  :)

Uh and he's aged nicely!!!! I've seen him!

Steve, even the lesbian says so, dayum;)

Yeah, that's gotta be double points or something. 

 

 

At least double.

But I should stop. I'm (we're) embarrassing him and I don't want to discourage the picture posting.  It's way too much fun :)

Sorry Steve, we mean you no harm.



2013-11-14 3:34 PM
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2013-11-14 3:43 PM
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{blushing profusely}

hehehe :) That's better.

2013-11-14 11:37 PM
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OK, I just saw those numbers and the 2 x 20 and thought it was FTP.  Good lord, Ben, you are such a strong cyclist.  It's awesome.  BTW, I just looked at your logs and you didn't even mention yesterday's little swim in addition to the ride Apologies for the stalking.

Do you know your swim workouts ahead of time with Masters?  Or do you just know that the Thursdays are harder?

I also noticed that you are swimming every day. Is that for the yardage? Water feel?  Can you explain that awesomeness to me?

I don't know the sessions ahead of time, not sure the coach always does either, but she won't say. I just figure that they'll be some kind of hard. Don't think I'm at a point yet where it's really that significant. Just watch it the last week or two leading into a race. She knows what my focus is and has been helpful in some basic things for the other workouts I do.

Swimming every day is for both the yardage and feel. I'm doing fine with it so far, and can likely continue for some time. Eventually I'll probably drop a day or two off to make sure I don't burn out. By then I hope to have some of the swims up enough in volume that the weekly total can stay up there. There is enough variation in there to keep things interesting. 3 masters sessions a week. There is a 4th, but it's stroke/IM night and I do a strong bike that day already, so wouldn't be a good idea. On one or two of the other days I'll add in some other stroke work, but fit in better to how I want to do it. It's still swimming and helps to keep things interesting. There is still a good deal of free in there.

2013-11-15 4:09 AM
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Sorry I have totally lost track, is this weeks the start of a new fortnight?
2013-11-15 10:21 AM
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In light of the SSS group picking up, feel like clarifying that the work on body position and kick I've been doing is not done at the expense of developing the catch. Everything is done through that and in concert with it. Anyone who reads the book should get that.

And Elesa, it's getting hard to remember who said what in which thread now!



2013-11-15 10:38 AM
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Boy Howdy it has been a hectic week! Sorry I haven't checked in all week--taking 8 graduate students across country to a conference (many of them presenting their research for the first time) sucked all extra energy right out of me. I even skipped workouts...ugh. I am happy to report that while traveling, I did remember vegetables exist and kept on my nutrition focus.

Anyway, I'm back and since we are beginning a new two week cycle tomorrow, I'm going to focus on trying to love my bike. I was quite surprised to find that the bike is my least favorite leg, I thought for sure it would be running. So, while the weather is still nice enough down here (gonna be 68F on Saturday), I'm going to do as many of my training rides outside as possible. I usually punk out and do the spin bike at the gym at least twice a week, so this is going to be a real challenge for me.

Now...I have 20 minutes until a meeting, so I'm off to do what any red-blooded American would do and spend it catching up on the several pages of posts to this thread in lieu of preparing for my meeting!
2013-11-15 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by StaceyK Sorry I have totally lost track, is this weeks the start of a new fortnight?

Stacey, I completely lost track too! I think I may be off a week. 

We're starting a new cycle tomorrow;)

 

2013-11-15 11:32 AM
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Welp, I guess tomorrow is this first day of the new work your weakness. Great timing!

I've got a race tomorrow. My first road race in a while now. After that I need to immediately think ahead to the next 4 weeks leading to Nationals (integrating the fantastic taper advice I have gotten  )

Sooo, I think plan and execution shall be my work your weakness goal.

2013-11-15 11:43 AM
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In light of the SSS group picking up, feel like clarifying that the work on body position and kick I've been doing is not done at the expense of developing the catch. Everything is done through that and in concert with it. Anyone who reads the book should get that.

And Elesa, it's getting hard to remember who said what in which thread now!

Well, you certainly are swimming and biking a TON.  I am always amazed by your volume and intensity.  It's really impressive, Ben.

I know it's getting hard to keep track of the who said what where, but it seems like there's a good deal of cross-over with those of us who are trying to sort these technique things out.  That kinda warms my heart :)

___________________________________________________

Speaking of which, I have a question for the group as I ponder my next weakness focus:

For the last month I have been biking 2-3 times a week, swimming 4-5x/week and running 4-5x/week.   In my mind, my top priorities are:

1) improving my swimming

2) easing back into running and building my base mileage (no Q workouts, all EZ)

3) maintaining (possibly building) cycling fitness

In a month, I will be leaving to go overseas for a month and I won't be able to bike while I'm there.  I do plan on trying to swim 3x/week and run 5-6x/week while I'm away.  In light of that, should I keep my cycling at 2-3x/week for the next month, bump it up to try to build some fitness knowing I'll lose some for the month, or scrap the cycling and really just focus on the swim and run until I get back mid January?

 

2013-11-15 11:49 AM
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Welp, I guess tomorrow is this first day of the new work your weakness. Great timing!

I've got a race tomorrow. My first road race in a while now. After that I need to immediately think ahead to the next 4 weeks leading to Nationals (integrating the fantastic taper advice I have gotten  )

Sooo, I think plan and execution shall be my work your weakness goal.

  Woo-hoo Road Racer!  Go get 'em. Er, I mean, uh, have a great race!

I hope you'll share your plan with us when you have it figured out :)



2013-11-15 11:50 AM
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In light of the SSS group picking up, feel like clarifying that the work on body position and kick I've been doing is not done at the expense of developing the catch. Everything is done through that and in concert with it. Anyone who reads the book should get that.

And Elesa, it's getting hard to remember who said what in which thread now!

Well, you certainly are swimming and biking a TON.  I am always amazed by your volume and intensity.  It's really impressive, Ben.

I know it's getting hard to keep track of the who said what where, but it seems like there's a good deal of cross-over with those of us who are trying to sort these technique things out.  That kinda warms my heart

___________________________________________________

Speaking of which, I have a question for the group as I ponder my next weakness focus:

For the last month I have been biking 2-3 times a week, swimming 4-5x/week and running 4-5x/week.   In my mind, my top priorities are:

1) improving my swimming

2) easing back into running and building my base mileage (no Q workouts, all EZ)

3) maintaining (possibly building) cycling fitness

In a month, I will be leaving to go overseas for a month and I won't be able to bike while I'm there.  I do plan on trying to swim 3x/week and run 5-6x/week while I'm away.  In light of that, should I keep my cycling at 2-3x/week for the next month, bump it up to try to build some fitness knowing I'll lose some for the month, or scrap the cycling and really just focus on the swim and run until I get back mid January?

 

Oooh. Interesting question.

Now, this is not my area of expertise, so take this as more my gut feeling. Or educated guess at best.

I personally think that for building fitness, running is your best bet as the time invested is not nearly as much so as the time on the bike. I'd venture to guess any bike specific fitness (not general fitness) you would gain cycling 2-3 times a week in a month would be lost in a total month off (I don't have anything to back that up.)

So, focusing on your run and swim makes the most sense to me.

BUT, you are coming off an injury and the bike is a great way to get intensity without risk of injury. I am not entirely sure where you are with your "recovery" but if you aren't in a position to ramp up a little more run volume, the bike may be your friend.

2013-11-15 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by drfoodlove Boy Howdy it has been a hectic week! Sorry I haven't checked in all week--taking 8 graduate students across country to a conference (many of them presenting their research for the first time) sucked all extra energy right out of me. I even skipped workouts...ugh. I am happy to report that while traveling, I did remember vegetables exist and kept on my nutrition focus. Anyway, I'm back and since we are beginning a new two week cycle tomorrow, I'm going to focus on trying to love my bike. I was quite surprised to find that the bike is my least favorite leg, I thought for sure it would be running. So, while the weather is still nice enough down here (gonna be 68F on Saturday), I'm going to do as many of my training rides outside as possible. I usually punk out and do the spin bike at the gym at least twice a week, so this is going to be a real challenge for me. Now...I have 20 minutes until a meeting, so I'm off to do what any red-blooded American would do and spend it catching up on the several pages of posts to this thread in lieu of preparing for my meeting!

This cracked me up!

Glad we have a Gretchen sighting! 

Good luck with your riding this weekend.  Isn't the weather just awesome!??

What is it that you don't like about the bike?  Maybe we can try to help :)

2013-11-15 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by Asalzwed

Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by brigby1

In light of the SSS group picking up, feel like clarifying that the work on body position and kick I've been doing is not done at the expense of developing the catch. Everything is done through that and in concert with it. Anyone who reads the book should get that.

And Elesa, it's getting hard to remember who said what in which thread now!

Well, you certainly are swimming and biking a TON.  I am always amazed by your volume and intensity.  It's really impressive, Ben.

I know it's getting hard to keep track of the who said what where, but it seems like there's a good deal of cross-over with those of us who are trying to sort these technique things out.  That kinda warms my heart :)

___________________________________________________

Speaking of which, I have a question for the group as I ponder my next weakness focus:

For the last month I have been biking 2-3 times a week, swimming 4-5x/week and running 4-5x/week.   In my mind, my top priorities are:

1) improving my swimming

2) easing back into running and building my base mileage (no Q workouts, all EZ)

3) maintaining (possibly building) cycling fitness

In a month, I will be leaving to go overseas for a month and I won't be able to bike while I'm there.  I do plan on trying to swim 3x/week and run 5-6x/week while I'm away.  In light of that, should I keep my cycling at 2-3x/week for the next month, bump it up to try to build some fitness knowing I'll lose some for the month, or scrap the cycling and really just focus on the swim and run until I get back mid January?

 

Oooh. Interesting question.

Now, this is not my area of expertise, so take this as more my gut feeling. Or educated guess at best.

I personally think that for building fitness, running is your best bet as the time invested is not nearly as much so as the time on the bike. I'd venture to guess any bike specific fitness (not general fitness) you would gain cycling 2-3 times a week in a month would be lost in a total month off (I don't have anything to back that up.)

So, focusing on your run and swim makes the most sense to me.

BUT, you are coming off an injury and the bike is a great way to get intensity without risk of injury. I am not entirely sure where you are with your "recovery" but if you aren't in a position to ramp up a little more run volume, the bike may be your friend.

I feel like my leg is kinda getting better, but it's still bugging me more than I think it should.  I'm scheduling an MRI today to rule out anything really bad.

Yeah, it seems like the bike specific fitness it the easiest to gain, so maybe it's also the easiest to lose?  IDK :/ 

Have I mentioned I kinda suck at balancing three disciplines? ;P

2013-11-15 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by Asalzwed

Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by brigby1

In light of the SSS group picking up, feel like clarifying that the work on body position and kick I've been doing is not done at the expense of developing the catch. Everything is done through that and in concert with it. Anyone who reads the book should get that.

And Elesa, it's getting hard to remember who said what in which thread now!

Well, you certainly are swimming and biking a TON.  I am always amazed by your volume and intensity.  It's really impressive, Ben.

I know it's getting hard to keep track of the who said what where, but it seems like there's a good deal of cross-over with those of us who are trying to sort these technique things out.  That kinda warms my heart

___________________________________________________

Speaking of which, I have a question for the group as I ponder my next weakness focus:

For the last month I have been biking 2-3 times a week, swimming 4-5x/week and running 4-5x/week.   In my mind, my top priorities are:

1) improving my swimming

2) easing back into running and building my base mileage (no Q workouts, all EZ)

3) maintaining (possibly building) cycling fitness

In a month, I will be leaving to go overseas for a month and I won't be able to bike while I'm there.  I do plan on trying to swim 3x/week and run 5-6x/week while I'm away.  In light of that, should I keep my cycling at 2-3x/week for the next month, bump it up to try to build some fitness knowing I'll lose some for the month, or scrap the cycling and really just focus on the swim and run until I get back mid January?

 

Oooh. Interesting question.

Now, this is not my area of expertise, so take this as more my gut feeling. Or educated guess at best.

I personally think that for building fitness, running is your best bet as the time invested is not nearly as much so as the time on the bike. I'd venture to guess any bike specific fitness (not general fitness) you would gain cycling 2-3 times a week in a month would be lost in a total month off (I don't have anything to back that up.)

So, focusing on your run and swim makes the most sense to me.

BUT, you are coming off an injury and the bike is a great way to get intensity without risk of injury. I am not entirely sure where you are with your "recovery" but if you aren't in a position to ramp up a little more run volume, the bike may be your friend.

I feel like my leg is kinda getting better, but it's still bugging me more than I think it should.  I'm scheduling an MRI today to rule out anything really bad.

Yeah, it seems like the bike specific fitness it the easiest to gain, so maybe it's also the easiest to lose?  IDK :/ 

Have I mentioned I kinda suck at balancing three disciplines? ;P

Considering that your leg is bugging you. It might be good to stay with the cycling, since to me it doesn't seem like a great time to be adding training stress if you aren't fully recovered.

What do you specifically have trouble with in balancing everything? Making time for everything? Or just the overall building of a plan that helps you improve in all three at once?

2013-11-15 1:02 PM
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Welp, I guess tomorrow is this first day of the new work your weakness. Great timing!

I've got a race tomorrow. My first road race in a while now. After that I need to immediately think ahead to the next 4 weeks leading to Nationals (integrating the fantastic taper advice I have gotten  )

Sooo, I think plan and execution shall be my work your weakness goal.

  Woo-hoo Road Racer!  Go get 'em. Er, I mean, uh, have a great race!

I hope you'll share your plan with us when you have it figured out

I think it'll be like this:

Week 1: "normal week" + Race (regional championship)

Week 2: increased volume to "peak" mileage

Week 3: Decrease volume 50%, increase intensity

Week 4: Decrease volume 50%, decrease intensity + Race

 

*Bawls, that peak week is during thanksgiving. I guess I'll burn off all that food ...

 



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Are you starting a new thread tomorrow for the new fortnight? I think I'll join in there, since it is the last day in this one.
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Originally posted by el penguino Are you starting a new thread tomorrow for the new fortnight? I think I'll join in there, since it is the last day in this one.

I just wanted to say your username is awesome.  That's all.

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Originally posted by el penguino Are you starting a new thread tomorrow for the new fortnight? I think I'll join in there, since it is the last day in this one.

Actually, we just keep this thread going.  Please join us in here :)

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Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by Asalzwed

Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by brigby1

In light of the SSS group picking up, feel like clarifying that the work on body position and kick I've been doing is not done at the expense of developing the catch. Everything is done through that and in concert with it. Anyone who reads the book should get that.

And Elesa, it's getting hard to remember who said what in which thread now!

Well, you certainly are swimming and biking a TON.  I am always amazed by your volume and intensity.  It's really impressive, Ben.

I know it's getting hard to keep track of the who said what where, but it seems like there's a good deal of cross-over with those of us who are trying to sort these technique things out.  That kinda warms my heart :)

___________________________________________________

Speaking of which, I have a question for the group as I ponder my next weakness focus:

For the last month I have been biking 2-3 times a week, swimming 4-5x/week and running 4-5x/week.   In my mind, my top priorities are:

1) improving my swimming

2) easing back into running and building my base mileage (no Q workouts, all EZ)

3) maintaining (possibly building) cycling fitness

In a month, I will be leaving to go overseas for a month and I won't be able to bike while I'm there.  I do plan on trying to swim 3x/week and run 5-6x/week while I'm away.  In light of that, should I keep my cycling at 2-3x/week for the next month, bump it up to try to build some fitness knowing I'll lose some for the month, or scrap the cycling and really just focus on the swim and run until I get back mid January?

 

Oooh. Interesting question.

Now, this is not my area of expertise, so take this as more my gut feeling. Or educated guess at best.

I personally think that for building fitness, running is your best bet as the time invested is not nearly as much so as the time on the bike. I'd venture to guess any bike specific fitness (not general fitness) you would gain cycling 2-3 times a week in a month would be lost in a total month off (I don't have anything to back that up.)

So, focusing on your run and swim makes the most sense to me.

BUT, you are coming off an injury and the bike is a great way to get intensity without risk of injury. I am not entirely sure where you are with your "recovery" but if you aren't in a position to ramp up a little more run volume, the bike may be your friend.

I feel like my leg is kinda getting better, but it's still bugging me more than I think it should.  I'm scheduling an MRI today to rule out anything really bad.

Yeah, it seems like the bike specific fitness it the easiest to gain, so maybe it's also the easiest to lose?  IDK :/ 

Have I mentioned I kinda suck at balancing three disciplines? ;P

Considering that your leg is bugging you. It might be good to stay with the cycling, since to me it doesn't seem like a great time to be adding training stress if you aren't fully recovered.

What do you specifically have trouble with in balancing everything? Making time for everything? Or just the overall building of a plan that helps you improve in all three at once?

OK, so the leg thing doesn't seem to be aggravated by the running.  If anything, inactivity makes it worse.  When I don't run it makes it feel stiff, tight and a little achy. Actually, I think it feels the best 30 minutes into a run or for the three or four hours afterward.  My sports med doc said it was OK to run, as long as the running didn't aggravate it and I was seeing improvement.  That's why I was thinking of continuing to build base but still not doing any Q.  I honestly don't know though.  Ugh.

I think I just have had a really hard time building (and following) a plan that helps me improve in all three at once.  Two seems doable, but with three I can sometimes feel like I'm just spinning my wheels in one or more.  Maybe it's just a problem of not having the base fitness to really have enough good workouts in three sports in a week's time.

 

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