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Fred D - 2012-08-14 8:29 AM
axteraa - 2012-08-14 7:19 AM

Fred D - 2012-08-14 7:56 AM Btw, anyone at IMMT needs to rech me, my cell is 814-9threethree-two77zero. Call me if you need anything or want to go for an am swim. I will swim thurs and fri am (as I'm still building my swim fitness....kidding.... Sort of lol)

I'll be going for a swim thurs am as well.  Do you have a time in mind?  

My cell # is 902-3ninethree-48zero1

. Whatever works for you? Is 7 am ok?

Yup, I am usually awake in the 4-5am range so that works for me.

2012-08-14 6:38 AM
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Fred D - 2012-08-14 8:31 AM
axteraa - 2012-08-14 7:25 AM

1800m in the pool this morning and then I have an hour ride after work.  Once that is done, we'll be packing up the car so we can hit the road at 4am for Mont Tremblant.  It's about a 14 hour drive (including stops) so that will get us there around supper time.

My plan calls for a 30 min run tomorrow.  Does anyone have experience with a long drive like that and then going for a run afterwards?  Would it be a good way to loosen up the legs or a good way to just tire myself out more?

. Depends if you have to do all the driving. If yes I might be too tired, but I usually find a brief run after a long drive helpful to loosen up myself.

We will be alternating the driving, likely switching every time we fill up for gas.  I'll probably just decide when we arrive, depending on how I feel.



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Fred D - 2012-08-14 8:33 AM
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Fred D - 2012-08-14 7:46 AM I work this am and then we start our drive to IMMT at lunch. No training today as I am tired. I also looked back at my 2010 LP taper as that race worked out pretty well for me and I took the Monday and Tuesday pretty light then as well. I plan on riding the bike course tomorrow, but actually might skip out on some of it. I found a website linked from ironman site that allowed me to download the bike course into my Garmin. Arend, any thoughts on which section you'd leave out if I want to keep the bike just under 2 hrs? (will probably ride just under 20mph).

I think once you get past the Conception hill on the way out on the 117 things look pretty uneventful.  If you rode out to there, turned around and then back and then did the hilly Chemin Duplessis section (skipping the out and back through St Jovite), that would probably put you in the right ballpark.

Something like this - http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/124528061

That's around 62 km so at 20 mph you'd be just under two hours.

. Is the out and back anything special wrt climbing or descending?

I don't think so.  It just looks like a gradual rise out and then the reverse back.  I have heard it's one of the only sections that wasn't repaved so I guess it could be worth checking the road conditions.

2012-08-14 11:19 AM
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Work's going to have me offsite a bit this week.  So I wanted to say good luck this weekend to everyone heading to MT!

2012-08-14 11:30 AM
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Drive safe Fred! 
2012-08-14 11:55 AM
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Fred D - 2012-08-14 12:54 AM I personally think triathlon is going do decrease in popularity as the next 'it' sport (tough mudders, warrior dash, crossfit games etc) comes along. WTC would be best to focus on the concept of high quality races in beautiful locations like Tahoe, IMMT and LP etc? I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with Krauser on something lol.

x2.  I think you're right Fred.  I see a lot more of my friends becoming active...but they have many more options than doing tris now.  They're doing boot camps, crossfit, going hiking with their GoPro (and making really cool videos), warrior dash, scavenger hunts, and other group activities that can be really intense...but not necessarily a race.  I think that's the new thing that will open up to the vast majority of people.

 

 



2012-08-14 8:04 PM
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Trying out the new Miche 12-27 cassette today.  They're pretty heavy, but look well made.
2012-08-14 9:56 PM
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For anyone looking for a good main set for swimming, the coach dropped this on us this morning.  I'm trying to come up with a name, but everything I came up with wouldn't pass the censors!

2x[2x50 then 50 @ 100% R:30"

    3x50 then 100 @ 100% R:30"

    4x50 then 200 @ 100% R:30"]

Do the 50's on an interval that will give you 3-5 seconds of rest.

When you're half way into that first 200 and you know you get to do it all again, you get to dig deep down and find that internal motivation. LOVE.IT!

2012-08-15 1:12 AM
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blbriley - 2012-08-14 8:56 PM

For anyone looking for a good main set for swimming, the coach dropped this on us this morning.  I'm trying to come up with a name, but everything I came up with wouldn't pass the censors!

2x[2x50 then 50 @ 100% R:30"

    3x50 then 100 @ 100% R:30"

    4x50 then 200 @ 100% R:30"]

Do the 50's on an interval that will give you 3-5 seconds of rest.

When you're half way into that first 200 and you know you get to do it all again, you get to dig deep down and find that internal motivation. LOVE.IT!

I've done similar sets in the past! One set was called "Dead and Buried". It was 4x [50, 100, 150, 200] all out on 60s/50m rest interval. Lol. Thanks for bringing back some hilarious memories!
2012-08-15 1:18 AM
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Busy day out in the Albertan boonies! Spent the morning in the OR for a few cesearans and then this evening in emerg.I got to reduce a hip dislocation! All I can say is HARD. Definitely understand why the ortho stereotype physique is what it is! Haha. I got a run in between work today. Rest week for my oly on Sunday.
2012-08-15 9:39 AM
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mndymond - 2012-08-14 11:18 PM Busy day out in the Albertan boonies! Spent the morning in the OR for a few cesearans and then this evening in emerg.I got to reduce a hip dislocation! All I can say is HARD. Definitely understand why the ortho stereotype physique is what it is! Haha. I got a run in between work today. Rest week for my oly on Sunday.

So, the saying is true? "The difference between god and a surgeon is that god doesn't think he's a surgeon".Wink



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tri808 - 2012-08-14 8:04 PM Trying out the new Miche 12-27 cassette today.  They're pretty heavy, but look well made.

 

Curious as to why you went with Miche.

I have one and maybe it's my imagination but shifting isn't as smooth as with the Ulltegra cassette. But maybe it's my imagination.

2012-08-15 11:28 AM
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Oh hi ... sorry about being off the radar for a couple of days ... I literally slept for almost 36 hours, got up a couple times to drink and pee, that's it. I guess I needed to top up even more after being sick last week.

Back to my regularly scheduled training, but still somewhat tired overall; not hitting full intensity on the bike quite yet.

Gonna catch up. I guess Fred and Axenhots are en route, then?

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TriAya - 2012-08-15 11:28 AM

Gonna catch up. I guess Fred and Axenhots are en route, then?

 

Fred was an hour away early this morning. I think he wanted to get on the course as soon as he could.

2012-08-15 1:27 PM
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HIM power question for those in the know...

Trying to determine my power range for the race in 3+ weeks.  My latest data is as follows:

Sprint (34km bike) at 230 watts three weeks ago.
Olympic (40km bike) at 225 watts 3 days ago.

I was a little unhappy with the power in the Olympic since I was shooting for 230, but got a side stitch about 15km into the ride (so much for only drinking water), and was a bit anxious about what it would do to my run, so I may have backed off just a bit and not pushed as hard.

For the record, the 7km run at the Sprint was at a 4:07/km pace, and the 10km at the Oly was a 4:13/pace.  I was a bit slow for the first 2-3km at the Oly until the Stitch worked itself out and it wasn't bothering me anymore.  I would consider both of these to be pretty solid runs following the bike.

I'm really not sure what my FTP/CP is at the moment, but as one additional data point I did a 120km ride about 4 weeks ago at 207 watts as an average, and then ran 8km off the bike.  I was starting to suffer a bit on the run, but the heat was also a bit extreme so I'm not sure what got me more, the power or the temps.

Any and all feedback is welcome.

2012-08-15 1:36 PM
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marcag - 2012-08-15 4:53 AM

tri808 - 2012-08-14 8:04 PM Trying out the new Miche 12-27 cassette today.  They're pretty heavy, but look well made.

 

Curious as to why you went with Miche.

I have one and maybe it's my imagination but shifting isn't as smooth as with the Ulltegra cassette. But maybe it's my imagination.

It's specifically for my race up Haleakala.  I wanted the nice spacing on the bigger cogs. 

The Miche 12-27 goes 19, 21, 23, 25, 27 instead of 17, 19, 21, 24, 27 for SRAM/Shimano.  I lose the 16t, but I shouldn't need that at all unless I plan to Ryder Hesjedal's course record. 

The shifting was "ok".  I could tell it wasn't as smooth, but for the purpose of this race, it will be fine.  On the climbs I did, I could really tell the difference in the smaller jumps and it helped me stay in a comfortable cadence.



2012-08-15 1:40 PM
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GoFaster - 2012-08-15 8:27 AM

HIM power question for those in the know...

Trying to determine my power range for the race in 3+ weeks.  My latest data is as follows:

Sprint (34km bike) at 230 watts three weeks ago.
Olympic (40km bike) at 225 watts 3 days ago.

I was a little unhappy with the power in the Olympic since I was shooting for 230, but got a side stitch about 15km into the ride (so much for only drinking water), and was a bit anxious about what it would do to my run, so I may have backed off just a bit and not pushed as hard.

For the record, the 7km run at the Sprint was at a 4:07/km pace, and the 10km at the Oly was a 4:13/pace.  I was a bit slow for the first 2-3km at the Oly until the Stitch worked itself out and it wasn't bothering me anymore.  I would consider both of these to be pretty solid runs following the bike.

I'm really not sure what my FTP/CP is at the moment, but as one additional data point I did a 120km ride about 4 weeks ago at 207 watts as an average, and then ran 8km off the bike.  I was starting to suffer a bit on the run, but the heat was also a bit extreme so I'm not sure what got me more, the power or the temps.

Any and all feedback is welcome.

Neil...one thing I need to clarify before I respond.  Are the wattages you listed average power including 0 watts, excluding 0 watts, or normalized power?

2012-08-15 3:18 PM
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Should have added that - this is NP.

I got ride of the zeros from my CPU, so it's as close to NP as possible, and from what I've seen over the past couple of months the data after and during is reasonably close.

For the record I'm currently thinking to keep my 10minute lap segments between 205-210 watts.  Not sure if I'm being overly aggressive, conservative, or just about right with this.

2012-08-15 3:23 PM
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marcag - 2012-08-15 3:12 PM
TriAya - 2012-08-15 11:28 AM

Gonna catch up. I guess Fred and Axenhots are en route, then?

 

Fred was an hour away early this morning. I think he wanted to get on the course as soon as he could.

I'm thirty minutes away! It's already beautiful - one or two hills....
2012-08-15 4:22 PM
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GoFaster - 2012-08-15 10:18 AM

Should have added that - this is NP.

I got ride of the zeros from my CPU, so it's as close to NP as possible, and from what I've seen over the past couple of months the data after and during is reasonably close.

For the record I'm currently thinking to keep my 10minute lap segments between 205-210 watts.  Not sure if I'm being overly aggressive, conservative, or just about right with this.

If you can hold 207 NP for 120km (I'm assuming 3.5-4 hours) and still run 8km after, then I would say that 205-210 NP is a pretty safe target for your HIM. 

I only asked because I don't know the terrain you ride and how it compares to your race.  In my training rides, my AP is usually 15% lower than my NP because there are just some areas where I have to coast...stop lights, steep hills, etc that wouldn't be a problem on a closed course.  During races, my AP is much closer to my NP as most of my races are not that technical and you can pedal at a constant effort throughout.

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