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2013-01-09 8:47 AM
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Hard trainer ride this morning...thought I was going to have to modify the workout after the first interval but to my surprise they came around on the second so that was good.

Looks like it is going to be a beautiful day for my lunch run.  All the snow is melting and supposed to be 50 this weekend in MI.  Not happy about it but going to take advantage of it.

Nicole:  I am with you...I sometimes wake up before the alarm and can fall right back asleep no problem.  If its not time to get up...I ain't getting up haha.  That said..I usually get 8 hrs of sleep each night...otherwise I am grumpy!



2013-01-09 8:56 AM
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bzgl40 - 2013-01-09 9:33 AM

Got my run in this morning under the cover of darkness using the headlamp.  If I got it all done while it was still dark I wouldn't get that extra chill that settles in as the sun comes up.  Took the lazy dog for the easy part of my run and took the way to much energy dog for my intervals so both dogs got a run.  On Monday during my run me and the dog ran right next to some elk that were waiting to cross the road.  So we were just feet from them.  The dog totally ignored them.  If she pretends they are not there then they just don't exist.  I do not think she will be good protection against an attack of any sort.

I keep saying that some day I am going to get on the trainer.  So far that has been a pretty big fail

I love the early morning headlamp run. The elk thing would have shook me up though.

2013-01-09 9:03 AM
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rymac - 2013-01-09 7:47 AM

Hard trainer ride this morning...thought I was going to have to modify the workout after the first interval but to my surprise they came around on the second so that was good.

If I don't get a good enough warm up (even if it feels like it was) I'm the same way.  First 1-2 intervals totally suck and somehow it just comes around and the rest feel really good for some reason. 

2013-01-09 9:05 AM
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Running is staying consistent.  That's good.  Cycling - not so much.  Power test tomorrow morning for start of new computrainer session.  That's not good.

 

 

2013-01-09 9:07 AM
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bzgl40 - 2013-01-09 10:33 PM

Got my run in this morning under the cover of darkness using the headlamp.  If I got it all done while it was still dark I wouldn't get that extra chill that settles in as the sun comes up.  Took the lazy dog for the easy part of my run and took the way to much energy dog for my intervals so both dogs got a run.  On Monday during my run me and the dog ran right next to some elk that were waiting to cross the road.  So we were just feet from them.  The dog totally ignored them.  If she pretends they are not there then they just don't exist.  I do not think she will be good protection against an attack of any sort.

I keep saying that some day I am going to get on the trainer.  So far that has been a pretty big fail

Your running wildlife stories crack me up as do your dogs, especially the "blind" one.

Hour's run today--30min uphill (and it is UP HILL here) and then 30min down with a backpack full of groceries. Took it easy on the way back because of the extra weight.

I suppose we do have all sorts of interesting wildlife here, me living right next to an eco-preserve and everyone in the 'hood keeping chickens and cows, too. Only one I noticed was an Aussie surfer wolf-whistling at me, though.

1:36 on the trainer--cut short from 2:00 because big storm coming through downed some power lines, all electricity out. Just gets way too hot cycling indoors in high temps and humidity with no fan. If I opened the doors, the entire place would be soaked ...

2013-01-09 10:31 AM
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rymac - 2013-01-09 8:47 AM

Hard trainer ride this morning...thought I was going to have to modify the workout after the first interval but to my surprise they came around on the second so that was good.

 

this happens to me often. It's almost like the first interval kicks your body into gear and the rest of them are ok.

That being said, I had to do 7x3' at 110% last night and i nearly quit 7 times. It was awful. Never felt so bad on a ride.



2013-01-09 10:34 AM
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axteraa - 2013-01-09 9:29 AM
ligersandtions - 2013-01-08 2:33 PM

I hear so many people say they naturally wake up before the alarm goes off, but I have no idea how you guys do it!!  I've been getting up at 4am four to five days a week for the past 5+ years, and it's very rare that I wake up before it.  In fact, if I do wake up before it, I almost always fall back asleep (for example, I woke up yesterday at 3:52am and managed to fall back asleep in the eight minutes before my alarm went off!).

 

I often wake up before my alarm, especially if I've gotten a proper amount of sleep (~8-8.5 hours for me).  The other reason that I often wake up before the alarm is the use of my "pre-alarm".  I generally have my alarm set for 4:20am but I have a timer on the kettle in the kitchen set for 4:12 (water takes 8 mins to boil).  A few mins before 4:20 the kettle starts to make a bit of noise when the water is getting hot and the dogs (in another room) hear that and start getting restless.  They don't bark usually but start walking around and that's usually what wakes me up.

If I'm doing the math right, you're going to bed at the same time I'm trying to wrestle my 8 year old into his bed.  Getting up at 4:xx in the morning is simply not an option for me.  And honestly, I don't think I want it to be!!  But more power to you Arend for being able to do it.

2013-01-09 10:35 AM
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marcag - 2013-01-09 11:31 AM
rymac - 2013-01-09 8:47 AM

Hard trainer ride this morning...thought I was going to have to modify the workout after the first interval but to my surprise they came around on the second so that was good.

 

this happens to me often. It's almost like the first interval kicks your body into gear and the rest of them are ok.

That being said, I had to do 7x3' at 110% last night and i nearly quit 7 times. It was awful. Never felt so bad on a ride.

Sometimes the legs feel like mud - those times are the ones where those tough intervals just plain suck.

Kudo's on the fortitude to stick with it.  7x3 at 110% is some serious suckage!

2013-01-09 10:48 AM
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Do you guys do any type of wake up interval to get things going? Not just warm-up, but doing something at some level of effort above basic aerobic. I would miss a lot on the first one without it.
2013-01-09 10:50 AM
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GoFaster - 2013-01-09 12:34 PM

If I'm doing the math right, you're going to bed at the same time I'm trying to wrestle my 8 year old into his bed.  Getting up at 4:xx in the morning is simply not an option for me.  And honestly, I don't think I want it to be!!  But more power to you Arend for being able to do it.

It helps that my wife operates on the same schedule for sure.  It wasn't long ago that I thought getting up at 5:45 was insane and then it just kept getting earlier and earlier.

2013-01-09 10:52 AM
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brigby1 - 2013-01-09 12:48 PM Do you guys do any type of wake up interval to get things going? Not just warm-up, but doing something at some level of effort above basic aerobic. I would miss a lot on the first one without it.

I find my best warm-ups involve either 5 x 30" hard/ 30" easy or 5 x 10" all out / 50" easy.  Then 5' spin and I'm good to go.



2013-01-09 11:12 AM
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I got in a nice 10k run this morning in Vancouver.  It seems to be a fairly bike and run friendly city with lots of bike lanes and all along the waterfront there is a MUP that is separated for bikes and runners.  Best part was no snow!  
2013-01-09 11:17 AM
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GoFaster - 2013-01-09 10:35 AM
marcag - 2013-01-09 11:31 AM
rymac - 2013-01-09 8:47 AM

Hard trainer ride this morning...thought I was going to have to modify the workout after the first interval but to my surprise they came around on the second so that was good.

 

this happens to me often. It's almost like the first interval kicks your body into gear and the rest of them are ok.

That being said, I had to do 7x3' at 110% last night and i nearly quit 7 times. It was awful. Never felt so bad on a ride.

Sometimes the legs feel like mud - those times are the ones where those tough intervals just plain suck.

Kudo's on the fortitude to stick with it.  7x3 at 110% is some serious suckage!

 

Whenever I am hurting on the bike I think of this article on Ryder Hesjedal.

 

Another thing I love about Ryder is that if anyone is clean in Cycling, I think he is. There was a document that leaked that had all the pro tour guys rated on a scale of 1 to 10 on the 'probability' they were doping and Hesjedal and Sparticus were both at the bottom of the list, with lowest probability. Maybe I'm just naive.

 

Music also helps me a lot. There are a handful of songs that can pull me through a tough interval.



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2013-01-09 11:24 AM
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brigby1 - 2013-01-09 10:48 AM Do you guys do any type of wake up interval to get things going? Not just warm-up, but doing something at some level of effort above basic aerobic. I would miss a lot on the first one without it.

 

I used to do that and I should start again. Jorge used to do a 5x30" on/30" off in all his workouts. I think it helped.

2013-01-09 11:26 AM
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axteraa - 2013-01-09 11:12 AM I got in a nice 10k run this morning in Vancouver.  It seems to be a fairly bike and run friendly city with lots of bike lanes and all along the waterfront there is a MUP that is separated for bikes and runners.  Best part was no snow!  

I've been meaning to do this one next time I am up there: http://www.runnersworld.com/where-run/rave-run-vancouver-bc

Maybe if you get a chance you can do it

2013-01-09 11:31 AM
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axteraa - 2013-01-09 11:12 AM I got in a nice 10k run this morning in Vancouver.  It seems to be a fairly bike and run friendly city with lots of bike lanes and all along the waterfront there is a MUP that is separated for bikes and runners.  Best part was no snow!  

I've been meaning to do this one next time I am up there: http://www.runnersworld.com/where-run/rave-run-vancouver-bc

Maybe if you get a chance you can do it

Yup, I ran along that area this morning, it's perfect for running.  http://app.strava.com/activities/36933713



2013-01-09 11:32 AM
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Asalzwed - 2013-01-09 1:26 PM

axteraa - 2013-01-09 11:12 AM I got in a nice 10k run this morning in Vancouver.  It seems to be a fairly bike and run friendly city with lots of bike lanes and all along the waterfront there is a MUP that is separated for bikes and runners.  Best part was no snow!  

I've been meaning to do this one next time I am up there: http://www.runnersworld.com/where-run/rave-run-vancouver-bc

Maybe if you get a chance you can do it

Yup, I ran along that area this morning, it's perfect for running.  http://app.strava.com/activities/36933713

Ha! That's awesome. 

2013-01-09 11:33 AM
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Question to this group

In the TT forum there was a person who after 160 hours of swimming last year, with a coach on deck the whole time, went from a 2:39/100m to 2:29/100m.

Do you think this is acceptable ?

I know swimming is tough for adult onset athletes, but after 160 hours of work with a coach ? I could see someone who got no correction only making marginal improvements, or someone that was already at a relatively fast pace, but wow, for me that just screams a coach who isn't efficient at conveying a message. Either not doing what's right or not getting through to the athlete.

Are my expectations out of whack ?

How do you measure the efficiency of a coach/athlete relationship ?

How much time would you give a coach to see results ?

2013-01-09 11:34 AM
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axteraa - 2013-01-09 11:31 AM
Asalzwed - 2013-01-09 1:26 PM

axteraa - 2013-01-09 11:12 AM I got in a nice 10k run this morning in Vancouver.  It seems to be a fairly bike and run friendly city with lots of bike lanes and all along the waterfront there is a MUP that is separated for bikes and runners.  Best part was no snow!  

I've been meaning to do this one next time I am up there: http://www.runnersworld.com/where-run/rave-run-vancouver-bc

Maybe if you get a chance you can do it

Yup, I ran along that area this morning, it's perfect for running.  http://app.strava.com/activities/36933713

 

With the lululemons ?

2013-01-09 11:36 AM
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marcag - 2013-01-09 11:34 AM
axteraa - 2013-01-09 11:31 AM
Asalzwed - 2013-01-09 1:26 PM

axteraa - 2013-01-09 11:12 AM I got in a nice 10k run this morning in Vancouver.  It seems to be a fairly bike and run friendly city with lots of bike lanes and all along the waterfront there is a MUP that is separated for bikes and runners.  Best part was no snow!  

I've been meaning to do this one next time I am up there: http://www.runnersworld.com/where-run/rave-run-vancouver-bc

Maybe if you get a chance you can do it

Yup, I ran along that area this morning, it's perfect for running.  http://app.strava.com/activities/36933713

 

With the lululemons ?

Trading running skirt tips and tricks

2013-01-09 11:38 AM
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marcag - 2013-01-09 1:34 PM
axteraa - 2013-01-09 11:31 AM
Asalzwed - 2013-01-09 1:26 PM

axteraa - 2013-01-09 11:12 AM I got in a nice 10k run this morning in Vancouver.  It seems to be a fairly bike and run friendly city with lots of bike lanes and all along the waterfront there is a MUP that is separated for bikes and runners.  Best part was no snow!  

I've been meaning to do this one next time I am up there: http://www.runnersworld.com/where-run/rave-run-vancouver-bc

Maybe if you get a chance you can do it

Yup, I ran along that area this morning, it's perfect for running.  http://app.strava.com/activities/36933713

 

With the lululemons ?

Vancouver is their birthplace.



2013-01-09 11:40 AM
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marcag - 2013-01-09 1:33 PM

Question to this group

In the TT forum there was a person who after 160 hours of swimming last year, with a coach on deck the whole time, went from a 2:39/100m to 2:29/100m.

Do you think this is acceptable ?

I know swimming is tough for adult onset athletes, but after 160 hours of work with a coach ? I could see someone who got no correction only making marginal improvements, or someone that was already at a relatively fast pace, but wow, for me that just screams a coach who isn't efficient at conveying a message. Either not doing what's right or not getting through to the athlete.

Are my expectations out of whack ?

How do you measure the efficiency of a coach/athlete relationship ?

How much time would you give a coach to see results ?

If you said 1:39 to 1:29, that *might* be acceptable but I don't think 2:39 to 2:29 would be at all.

2013-01-09 11:54 AM
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axteraa - 2013-01-09 10:40 AM
marcag - 2013-01-09 1:33 PM

Question to this group

In the TT forum there was a person who after 160 hours of swimming last year, with a coach on deck the whole time, went from a 2:39/100m to 2:29/100m.

Do you think this is acceptable ?

I know swimming is tough for adult onset athletes, but after 160 hours of work with a coach ? I could see someone who got no correction only making marginal improvements, or someone that was already at a relatively fast pace, but wow, for me that just screams a coach who isn't efficient at conveying a message. Either not doing what's right or not getting through to the athlete.

Are my expectations out of whack ?

How do you measure the efficiency of a coach/athlete relationship ?

How much time would you give a coach to see results ?

If you said 1:39 to 1:29, that *might* be acceptable but I don't think 2:39 to 2:29 would be at all.

I've barely had any coaching at all (and you can tell) and can hit under 2:00 when swimming consistently.  If you are above 2:00 with that much coached swimming I would say you either need to learn how to time better, stop padding the number to make a long thread, or get a different coach.

ETA: In other words, something is way off.  Either the time we are being told, which could be due to not really knowing how to time a 100, or the coach totally bites



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2013-01-09 12:02 PM
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axteraa - 2013-01-09 12:38 PM
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axteraa - 2013-01-09 11:31 AM
Asalzwed - 2013-01-09 1:26 PM

axteraa - 2013-01-09 11:12 AM I got in a nice 10k run this morning in Vancouver.  It seems to be a fairly bike and run friendly city with lots of bike lanes and all along the waterfront there is a MUP that is separated for bikes and runners.  Best part was no snow!  

I've been meaning to do this one next time I am up there: http://www.runnersworld.com/where-run/rave-run-vancouver-bc

Maybe if you get a chance you can do it

Yup, I ran along that area this morning, it's perfect for running.  http://app.strava.com/activities/36933713

 

With the lululemons ?

Vancouver is their birthplace.

The fact that you know this bit of info is. amusing. 



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2013-01-09 12:05 PM
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marcag - 2013-01-09 11:33 AM

Question to this group

In the TT forum there was a person who after 160 hours of swimming last year, with a coach on deck the whole time, went from a 2:39/100m to 2:29/100m.

Do you think this is acceptable ?

I know swimming is tough for adult onset athletes, but after 160 hours of work with a coach ? I could see someone who got no correction only making marginal improvements, or someone that was already at a relatively fast pace, but wow, for me that just screams a coach who isn't efficient at conveying a message. Either not doing what's right or not getting through to the athlete.

Are my expectations out of whack ?

How do you measure the efficiency of a coach/athlete relationship ?

How much time would you give a coach to see results ?

I would most certainly be disappointed. Of course, I wouldn't have waited 160 hours to realize something is NOT working.

I think you measure ehh maybe not efficiency, but success, strictly on race results or improvement.

I think how much time you give a coach has a lot of variables. I'm not sure how long I would give ...

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