Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) (Page 342)

Big Shoulders 2.5k open water swim: 37:50 (1:31/100m)

Got some things to tighten up, but that may have broken 30 min in a HIM swim. Race Report when I get a minute.

I need some feedback from the pod here.  I felt fine nutritionally on my run today.  This afternoon my stomach is cramping and I feel lousy.

 Pre run had oatmeal and a banana with some V8.

During run 24 oz gatorade, 8 oz water, 2 gu

Post run  smoothie with almond silk, almond butter and cherries.  Kind bar, coffee with silk

Lunch small dish left over pasta

I've had at least 48 oz water since the run.  My stomach feels like someone has kicked me in the gut and  I don't know if I want to hurl or poop.

nutrition is really particular to the person, but for me, what you took in pre-run and during the run would be way too much.  I usually don't have anything to eat pre-run, but if I do it is probably not more than 100 calories - maybe 2 fig newtons or some oatmeal.  During the run I generally drink every 3 miles or so.  When I drink it is probably 3 oz or so of either water or sports drink.  If it is really humid, I may do double the amount, but have to be careful not to get a sloshing stomach.  For 15 miles I would probably have 1 gu.

Post run, if I'm running with my running group and, therefore, not starting/stopping at my house, I may have about 6-8 oz of light chocolate soy milk if the run is more than 2 hours.  This generally depends on whether I've remembered to bring it with me. For a real food breakfast I usually do 2 eggs and an english muffin and coffee.

Lunch will usually not happen until 1-2p and then is something small e.g, a fruit and veggie smoothie.

Anyway, that's my usual MO.

Hope you feel better.

Yes, I usually drink close to 2 liters of water a day.  So hydration is not an issue.

I almost always have that post run smoothie so that is not new either.

Originally posted by mtnbikerchk

Originally posted by QueenZipp

I need some feedback from the pod here.  I felt fine nutritionally on my run today.  This afternoon my stomach is cramping and I feel lousy.

 

 Pre run had oatmeal and a banana with some V8.

During run 24 oz gatorade, 8 oz water, 2 gu

Post run  smoothie with almond silk, almond butter and cherries.  Kind bar, coffee with silk

Lunch small dish left over pasta

I've had at least 48 oz water since the run.  My stomach feels like someone has kicked me in the gut and  I don't know if I want to hurl or poop.

urgh....so sorry. I hate it when you get the POST event stomach upset. For me I can tell you it would probably have been all the "UCTOSE" (Fructose, glucose, sucrose). Such sweeteners are in Gu and Gatorade. It can cause stomach upset. Depending on which gu it can be up to 30%. It hits my husband almost immediately but it takes a few hours for it to hit me. Just a thought - and that's just me. Hope you get to relax this afternoon edit: one other thought - the banana and oatmeal seem innocuous - no idea about the v8 - I would assume that's acidic? Have you had that pre run before?

I have V8 every morning prior to running.  
Only thing different was one of the gu flavors was a fruity one (handed out last week during the race) and I don't like the fruity gu.  Too sweet. 

Originally posted by QueenZipp

Originally posted by mtnbikerchk

Originally posted by QueenZipp

I need some feedback from the pod here.  I felt fine nutritionally on my run today.  This afternoon my stomach is cramping and I feel lousy.

 

 Pre run had oatmeal and a banana with some V8.

During run 24 oz gatorade, 8 oz water, 2 gu

Post run  smoothie with almond silk, almond butter and cherries.  Kind bar, coffee with silk

Lunch small dish left over pasta

I've had at least 48 oz water since the run.  My stomach feels like someone has kicked me in the gut and  I don't know if I want to hurl or poop.

urgh....so sorry. I hate it when you get the POST event stomach upset. For me I can tell you it would probably have been all the "UCTOSE" (Fructose, glucose, sucrose). Such sweeteners are in Gu and Gatorade. It can cause stomach upset. Depending on which gu it can be up to 30%. It hits my husband almost immediately but it takes a few hours for it to hit me. Just a thought - and that's just me. Hope you get to relax this afternoon edit: one other thought - the banana and oatmeal seem innocuous - no idea about the v8 - I would assume that's acidic? Have you had that pre run before?

I have V8 every morning prior to running.  
Only thing different was one of the gu flavors was a fruity one (handed out last week during the race) and I don't like the fruity gu.  Too sweet. 

I cannot recommend UCAN highly enough - I buy the unsweetened, unflavoured version - this is a slow release energy - it's a modified starch that acts like a fat.  Absorbed very easily by the gut - was designed for chemo patients to get them nutrition without hurling.

It's an acquired taste -like licking a chalk board!  You can add Nunn tablets for flavour but I got used to the chalky tap water taste.  I mix it with protein powder, contents of one salt tab stops it clumping.  I try and add coconut oil too for energy from fat, but if cold it goes clumpy if too warm a little rancid!

no stomach issues at all.

1:31/100 METERS?!?  For 2.5 K?!?!

I am so not worthy.  You are an animal.  This is what happens with a year of really hard work, dedication and masters swims.  Well done.

Here's what I think: sodium.

If I ate that sequence without taking in salt, I would be in the hurt tank, fo sho.  Try eating something salty--some chips, some baked potato with salt, whatever floats your boat, but make it salty and see what happens.

That is all I have to say about that.

Gooooooo All You Racing Manatees!

Mike
Melanie
Michael
Jonathan AK
Kate
Tom
Randee

Janyne, I'm especially thinking of you this weekend.  

I hope the bad weather luck has left everyone alone this weekend!

Hey, DLs! Ya'll get better now, ya hear?
Ann-Marie, JoGo, Jen, Kirsten

50km road ride lots of stops ride into my driveway and topple im pretty sure i busted my wrist sigh

ETA moved it though sore it moves its also not swollen a few days rest itll be right

Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by 4agoodlife

Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by Asalzwed

Originally posted by 4agoodlife

Originally posted by Asalzwed

Originally posted by 4agoodlife

So I was on the elliptical this morning and thought I should pose this question to those who use a gym.

Do you always use a treadmill for your run training? If you use another machine, how much/often?

It's obvious that training on the elliptical isn't the same, but how much can I do and have it really be useful? Right now it's usually a 10-15min warm up to help loosen my knee (30-60min total time, so 25-30%). It seems better than walking on treadmill for warming up my joint. Then I do some stretches before getting on the treadmill for jogging. So far my knee is appreciating it, but I don't want to do too much and take away much needed "real" running time. 

 

The very, very best way to become a better runner is to run.

I think you can use it to warm up if that is what works for you, and it sounds like it really does. But to be clear, they are not like for like.

It's a good tool to stay fit, if say, you had an injury or needed some low impact training. 

Definitely. ^^^

I'll adjust my question a bit...

Thinking of muscle use/training, do you think I would be better off using those 10-15 warm up minutes fast walking on the treadmill to loosen my joint ? Or just put it all in a "not running so it doesn't matter" box?

 

Hmmm matter? That's tough. I don't have an answer.

I'm sure it matters, to some degree. But whether it's anything worth even mentioning? I don't know.

Erin, I just posed the elliptical question in SBR utopia this morning--haha, great minds baby! 

Z2 base?

The no impact thing is kinda appealing.  That and I have one 10 feet from my bed.

Ha! And what did your SBR peeps have to say?

Yes, now that I know my true zones...working in my z2 except for interval day.

No impact is VERY appealing to a gimpy runner like myself.

Haha--none of them even acknowledged it.  I think they were like, uhhhh, I'm not even gonna touch that one  In all fairness, they are all geeked out analyzing ChrisM's IM power data and his IM times, which, really, is INFINITELY  more interesting, and it is really, really helpful.  I'm learning a ton just by reading that thread, even though a lot of it is over my head :/

Ha, I completely missed it over there!

Nooooooo!!  

it was very Benny Hill its sore but i dont think broken no swelling and moderately painful to flex but not agony taped it icing it and well its taper week anyway.  damn fine 50km

OK...so I'm gathering info for myself, and anyone else who ever wondered, like Switch. This is what I dug up about the topic that I found most helpful and specific:

http://www.builtlean.com/2012/04/20/elliptical-vs-treadmill/

http://coachjoeenglish.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/training-does-an-elliptical-trainer-offer-the-same-workout-as-a-treadmill-or-running-outside/

http://running.competitor.com/2013/01/training/smart-marathon-training-which-kinds-of-cross-training-are-best-for-runners_48779

http://beta.active.com/running/Articles/How-Cross-Training-Will-Help-Boost-Your-Mileage

Booooo on the fall, but glad you had a good ride   Hope it feels better quick.