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RJohnson1979 - 2011-03-02 10:56 AM

Does anyone else ever think the milage or miles per hour reading on their bike computer while on the trainer is low compared to being outside?

I feel like I can sustain higher miles per hour when riding outside than while on the trainer at the same effort. I'm sure there are a lot of factors that could contribute to it.

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It really depends on the trainer. Some trainers take 300 watts to go 18mph, some will take 150. I would pay more attention to the % increase in speed so long as the other factors (same trainer, tire pressure, etc) remain constant. If you were going 15mph in December and can now go 16.5 mph, that is a nice (10%!) increase in speed.

The other factor indoors can be heat - outside you are getting the breeze, inside not so much. Try a large fan while doing your training indoors. I have found I can push much harder (both watts and speed) indoors when I have a fan cooling me off.


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Tire PSI and the tension you have your trainer set effects mph.

I ride with power so don't care or pay attention to mph inside.

Do you ride by HR, power, RPE, use those to see how you are doing.
2011-03-02 11:15 AM
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Thanks all! Very helpful! I train using HR so it always baffled my mind that I was only going low 20 mphs when hammering at my LT.
 
It also explains why I can do a Zone 1 high RPM spin session on one of those bikes at the gym and log like 2x the mileage as normal - but I already knew those machines were way off.

It makes sense that the tire pressure and flywheel tension affect the mph. I'm using a time based training program but like most newbies am very motivated by distance (even while technically not moving!). I'll try not to worry about it as much... unless DC posts a bike challenge again! My goal (like everyone's) for March is to get outside as much as possible on the bike so it should solve the problem

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wstchstrTriathlete - 2011-03-02 10:09 AM

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wstchstrTriathlete - 2011-03-02 9:51 AM So you aren't required to stay to the right of the buoys at all times? (except for the turn buoys?)


You are right just need to stay right of turn buoys at end of course.

I swam just to the left of the buoys 85% of the of the course and yes I did bump into the buoys at times but I learned to anticipate when to expect them. I breath right so it was ideal for me to stay slightly to the left.


interesting....how many folks do this? I am a right breather as well


A lot more than you think. It appears to me that not everyone knows that you can swim on the inside of the buoys and that you have to swim on the outside of the large turn buoys. Therefore, swimming on the inside is a bit less crowded. I also can relate to swimming on the cable and running into the larger buoys, but you adjust and learn what to expect after doing it once. I breathe to the left so staying just outside worked well for me.
2011-03-02 8:37 PM
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wstchstrTriathlete - 2011-03-02 10:09 AM

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wstchstrTriathlete - 2011-03-02 9:51 AM So you aren't required to stay to the right of the buoys at all times? (except for the turn buoys?)


You are right just need to stay right of turn buoys at end of course.

I swam just to the left of the buoys 85% of the of the course and yes I did bump into the buoys at times but I learned to anticipate when to expect them. I breath right so it was ideal for me to stay slightly to the left.


interesting....how many folks do this? I am a right breather as well


I took the same approach..start right, merge your way to the line during the first leg and then as a right breather I kept to the inside except for the turns. I must admit I did hit one bouy but they are really not a big deal to go through/under.
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So just an update about my training...I've decided to go with a 6 day per week running plan for a little while.  Running is my weakness so I am going to focus a little more on it thru April I think.  I am not quite too sure how my body is going to respond, but I am keeping the pace very low and will adjust however necessary.  I think this is a good training plan where HR matters a lot.  For example, if my legs are sore and I can only run 11:15 minute miles with HR between 120 - 140, then that's as fast as I'll go.  Expect 120 - 140 pace to be well below 10:00 in about a month.  I know a lot of people dont like HR training, but I feel this will actually help me stay on the good side of injury free.  (okay well maybe not the running 6x a week)...

Going to get interesting and I can NOT wait to get up there (I'm from right outside Philly, South Jersey) to ride the course.  Once spring hits, I'm going to start going out to eastern PA and ride some great hills.  Will be nice to get some hill training in for multiple reasons.  The speed on the downhills doesn't hurt either

Good luck to everyone in their training and I hope you are getting as excited about it as I am!  Going to be a blast.


2011-03-03 10:32 AM
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My iPhone said it was -2 this morning in Lake Placid.  It was 18 degrees here on Long Island.  I'm starting to think it may never warm up!

2011-03-03 10:40 AM
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RJohnson1979 - 2011-03-02 12:15 PM Thanks all! Very helpful! I train using HR so it always baffled my mind that I was only going low 20 mphs when hammering at my LT.
 
It also explains why I can do a Zone 1 high RPM spin session on one of those bikes at the gym and log like 2x the mileage as normal - but I already knew those machines were way off.

It makes sense that the tire pressure and flywheel tension affect the mph. I'm using a time based training program but like most newbies am very motivated by distance (even while technically not moving!). I'll try not to worry about it as much... unless DC posts a bike challenge again! My goal (like everyone's) for March is to get outside as much as possible on the bike so it should solve the problem


Unless you have a powertap or computrainer, pay no attention to the MPH while on the trainer.  Use time, HR and RPE.  I know how you feel though, when you bust your butt on the trainer for an hour or more, you want to see you've accomplished a decent distance.  This is is one of the reasons I may invest in a computrainer in the near-future.  The good thing to know about the trainer, is that riding outside will be much easier -- at least it is for me!

And I will not be posting any Bike Challenge this go-around.  Riding too hard and too often (not following a structured plan) was probably one of the biggest factors that led to my injury which kept me off the start line at LP last year.  The day my injury first reared its ugly head, was on a Century Ride about 90 miles in, and I had started the ride on VERY-VERY fatigued legs from a heavy week of cycling, in an effort to keep up with the contest.  Everything I had read in interviews with athletes and articles about getting faster on the bike said: Ride Hard and Ride Often.  I'm sure this is the case, but one should do so under a structured plan.  For me, riding hard and often was a recipe for disaster.  I would enter the caveat: Ride Smart, Hard and Often.  
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RJohnson1979 - 2011-03-02 12:15 PM Thanks all! Very helpful! I train using HR so it always baffled my mind that I was only going low 20 mphs when hammering at my LT.
 
It also explains why I can do a Zone 1 high RPM spin session on one of those bikes at the gym and log like 2x the mileage as normal - but I already knew those machines were way off.

It makes sense that the tire pressure and flywheel tension affect the mph. I'm using a time based training program but like most newbies am very motivated by distance (even while technically not moving!). I'll try not to worry about it as much... unless DC posts a bike challenge again! My goal (like everyone's) for March is to get outside as much as possible on the bike so it should solve the problem


Unless you have a powertap or computrainer, pay no attention to the MPH while on the trainer.  Use time, HR and RPE.  I know how you feel though, when you bust your butt on the trainer for an hour or more, you want to see you've accomplished a decent distance.  This is is one of the reasons I may invest in a computrainer in the near-future.  The good thing to know about the trainer, is that riding outside will be much easier -- at least it is for me!

And I will not be posting any Bike Challenge this go-around.  Riding too hard and too often (not following a structured plan) was probably one of the biggest factors that led to my injury which kept me off the start line at LP last year.  The day my injury first reared its ugly head, was on a Century Ride about 90 miles in, and I had started the ride on VERY-VERY fatigued legs from a heavy week of cycling, in an effort to keep up with the contest.  Everything I had read in interviews with athletes and articles about getting faster on the bike said: Ride Hard and Ride Often.  I'm sure this is the case, but one should do so under a structured plan.  For me, riding hard and often was a recipe for disaster.  I would enter the caveat: Ride Smart, Hard and Often.  

 

Even with a powerTap and Computrainer I still don't pay attention to MPH

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"And I will not be posting any Bike Challenge this go-around.  Riding too hard and too often (not following a structured plan) was probably one of the biggest factors that led to my injury which kept me off the start line at LP last year.  The day my injury first reared its ugly head, was on a Century Ride about 90 miles in, and I had started the ride on VERY-VERY fatigued legs from a heavy week of cycling, in an effort to keep up with the contest.  Everything I had read in interviews with athletes and articles about getting faster on the bike said: Ride Hard and Ride Often.  I'm sure this is the case, but one should do so under a structured plan.  For me, riding hard and often was a recipe for disaster.  I would enter the caveat: Ride Smart, Hard and Often."

This is some of the best biking advice I've seen posted -- NICE!

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Dream Chaser - 2011-03-03 11:40 AM  Riding too hard and too often (not following a structured plan) was probably one of the biggest factors that led to my injury which kept me off the start line at LP last year.  The day my injury first reared its ugly head, was on a Century Ride about 90 miles in, and I had started the ride on VERY-VERY fatigued legs from a heavy week of cycling, in an effort to keep up with the contest.  Everything I had read in interviews with athletes and articles about getting faster on the bike said: Ride Hard and Ride Often.  I'm sure this is the case, but one should do so under a structured plan.  For me, riding hard and often was a recipe for disaster.  I would enter the caveat: Ride Smart, Hard and Often.  

Great advice! I'm only up to mid-April of last year's thread so I didn't know how it turned out... But glad to learn from others so I hopefully dont' have to learn it the hard way. How are you liking Be Iron Fit? 1st 10 weeks and Base Phase coming to a close this weekend... I just did the last 2500 continuous swim and saw some improvements in my split time so I'm happy



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Are the cable and bouys always in the water at Mirror lake?

ie if I head up there late May/June time will the cable/ bouys be present to sight off of?

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Yes the cable and bouys are always in. The water will be preety chilly in May to swim. good luck
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Cable is always in. I went up in May back in 2008 and they put up the buoys up the weekend I was up there. The next time I went up in June they were up.
2011-03-04 10:26 AM
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Dream Chaser - 2011-03-03 11:40 AM  Riding too hard and too often (not following a structured plan) was probably one of the biggest factors that led to my injury which kept me off the start line at LP last year.  The day my injury first reared its ugly head, was on a Century Ride about 90 miles in, and I had started the ride on VERY-VERY fatigued legs from a heavy week of cycling, in an effort to keep up with the contest.  Everything I had read in interviews with athletes and articles about getting faster on the bike said: Ride Hard and Ride Often.  I'm sure this is the case, but one should do so under a structured plan.  For me, riding hard and often was a recipe for disaster.  I would enter the caveat: Ride Smart, Hard and Often.  

Great advice! I'm only up to mid-April of last year's thread so I didn't know how it turned out... But glad to learn from others so I hopefully dont' have to learn it the hard way. How are you liking Be Iron Fit? 1st 10 weeks and Base Phase coming to a close this weekend... I just did the last 2500 continuous swim and saw some improvements in my split time so I'm happy



I'm enjoying the Be IronFit plan.  Before I decided on this plan I did some research (of course ) and many people commented on how they didn't like the swim workouts, and how they were boring.  Funny thing is, I LOVE the swim workouts.  I always questioned plans that had me doing sets of 500 and less, but NEVER had any Long Endurance Swims.  And this plan has both!!  Admittedly I have strayed from the plan a few times (and due to the weather I have not been doing BRICKs) however seeing as Monday is 20-weeks out (and it's really 18 weeks out because the last two weeks are Taper, with the goal of just maintaining fitness because you can't see fitness gains in workouts done less than 14-days out from the event) I plan to adhere to the plan hence forward.  I will be sacrificing one Long Bike the last weekend in March for my Half Marathon, but that is the only change I anticipate on making. 

Glad to see your Swim Fitness improving with the plan!!    Good stuff
2011-03-04 10:29 AM
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davetri1 - 2011-03-03 9:22 PM Yes the cable and bouys are always in. The water will be preety chilly in May to swim. good luck


I'm going to say the water temps in May will be in the mid 50's.   


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Hopefully the water will be warm enough to swim over Memorial Day weekend. I am planning on going up for training then and really wanted to get a sense of what the swim is like.

Anyone else planning to be up there Memorial Day?

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RJohnson1979 - 2011-03-04 11:57 AM

Hopefully the water will be warm enough to swim over Memorial Day weekend. I am planning on going up for training then and really wanted to get a sense of what the swim is like.

Anyone else planning to be up there Memorial Day?



Here is a sense of what the swim is like! My wife took this race morning last summer. FUN!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2-jVwBcLqk
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I need some advice on how to best incorporate some races into my training plan. I'm doing the Gale Bernhardt 26 week IM plan.

I'm a fairly experience triathlete, been in the sport since the mid 90's, and I've done several half IM's, my best was a 5:50 in 2009. Lake Placid is my first full ironman.

Unlike Don Fink's Be Iron Fit, my plan doesn't include any racing. I'd like to do a half and an olympic distance prior to Lake Placid. I'd like to do this so I can check out my race day gear, and get a warm fuzzy for doing some longer swims and bikes.

I was thinking I could do Mooseman on June 5th, this is seven weeks prior to Lake Placid, and an olympic distance race about two to three weeks prior to IM.

I'd really appreciate some feedback from some of the iron vets in this group.

BTW, anyone in our group older than 52? Just want to see if I'm the old fart in the crew!

thanks,

Ralph

 

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Monty - 2011-03-04 3:51 PM

RJohnson1979 - 2011-03-04 11:57 AM

Hopefully the water will be warm enough to swim over Memorial Day weekend. I am planning on going up for training then and really wanted to get a sense of what the swim is like.

Anyone else planning to be up there Memorial Day?



Here is a sense of what the swim is like! My wife took this race morning last summer. FUN!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2-jVwBcLqk


Okay so I caught up on the thread and saw where Bobby posted my video already. Sorry for the double post.
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Saw where someone was asking about grocery stores. There is a Price Chopper right up the road from the center of town. Just my 2cents, but sign up for a store card when you get there to get the discounts. It was worth the effort with a family of 6 staying up there for the week.


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I have done L.P. the past 3 years and will be competing again this year. Mooseman or Rev 3 would be a good prep race, but not requried. I like to do a half as a prep race to see how my fitness is progressing. I wouldnt do the olympic 2 weeks after the half because this will be your last big bulild period before the taper. just my .02
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In response to Ralph's question, I don't know if I should admit this or not, but I am 57 and my husband is 62.  (With a birthday in August, I miss competing at age 58 by a couple of weeks.)  Unlike you, we have very little experience in triathlons.  We have 2 sons doing Lake Placid this year and took their challenge to join them - a family affair - which is why we are going ahead this year without much experience, instead of waiting a year.  I have been following these posts, but am a little intimidated by how much farther ahead everyone seems, so don't feel like I have much worthwhile to contribute.  But - after another longer ride on a spinner in the basement today I am looking for any advice on how to keep going and not go crazy!  It is still snowing and blowing around here - even had a highway shut down for awhile today, so it doesn't look like it is going to be possible to bike outside anytime soon.

 

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In the immortal words of Bill Clinton..."I feel your pain". I knew I was going to spend a lot of time on the trainer this year, so I asked my wife if she would mind my putting my bike+trainer up in the family room. No problem. So it's tucked against the wall and when I'm ready to use it I spread a couple of beach towels on the floor, park the bike in front of the big screen tv, pop in a dvd (last week it was "Blackhawk Down") and get after it!

I saw a few brave souls riding outside yesterday, but the the streets are still too narrow and covered with sand for me.

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My bike is in our sun room tucked against the windows so I can look outside and enjoy watching our new puppies play outside, have a TV with on demand so I can watch various shows. In general if you ride shorter ride harder, ride longer ride easier. Are you following a program for your trainer rides? Use HRM or RPE to determine effort level?

Many Northern triathletes work on run and swim over winter, ride trainer doing more intensity doing zone 3-5 work, then once spring comes they build their bike when they can ride outside.

For me to get some early outside riding, I'm going to tri camp in Solvang CA next week.

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