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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Mcluvin22 - 2010-01-16 9:04 AMThank you for the tips. I usually incorporate swim golf in my drill (to help improve length of stride) throughout the week and consistently have a score of 75-78. Sometimes I get lucky and score around 73 but it's rare. I usually take around 33 strokes per 50 yds, out of curiosity how many strokes do faster swimmers take per 50? 16 for me in one length. The guy I swim with is faster than me and does 13-14 per length. |
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![]() Only 188 Days Left People!! Doesn't seem like a whole heck of a lot of time to get ready for a 140.6 mile Race!! |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() HI there to give you an idea from an OK swimmer but not so speedy like jenn and a few of the rest of them.... I take about 19 strokes per length. I can do flip turns but am often lazy about them and find my push off is stronger without them!! (given that we don't need them in tri's very often I don't tend to work on them) I swam a 1:07 something at Placid last time i did it (2007). I swam around a 1:30 to 1:35 per 100 for distances greater than about 200y at that time. I placed myself middle, about a 1/3 way back. I put my head down and swam following people (it was a bit rough to start and I can tell you no men are worried about bashing through women in that race!) and found myself right on top of that underwater line (and I was intending to keep clear of it). But actually it wasn't that crowded there so I stuck with it for most of the time. I think my IM time was enhanced by the whirlpool effect as I don't think I could swim that time for that distance in a pool. |
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Member ![]() ![]() | ![]() I too am using the trifuel plan, with minor changes. I used it for my first 140.6 last year at beach to battleship, and it got me to the line. Im thinking with more base, it should get me there at placid as well, considering the course will be much harder. Hope everyone is training safe! Cant wait til spring :/ |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Anyone here do IMLP on the BT Ironman plan (the free one)? I might tweak things here or there, but I guess I'd just like someone to say "Yeah! That's a great plan and if you stick to it and do the work, you'll totally cross the finishline!" Currently, I'm trying to do extra bike workouts so I have a stronger base on that going into the spring, since my biking sucks. (As does my swimming, but I know you can gain far more on time/energy by being a better cyclist than being a better swimmer). |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() trigirlswim - 2010-01-19 1:10 PM 1. Is this your first IM? yes Welcome to BT! and welcome to the best thread on BT. You'll find tons and tons of info on BT and the people on this IMLP thread are some of the most knowledgeable folks on the entire site. Just give them a minute to stop training and they’ll be a huge help in answering your questions. |
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![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 1. Is this your first IM? yes 2. Have you done LP before? no 3. What are your goals for the 2010 race? To finish and not get divorced before the race 4. Do you have any specific questions that you wish addressed about LP (the race, training etc) Yes -- I was up there last year as a volunteer (Run #1 near Lisa G's) and took some time to ride the bike. I came away with a very healthy respect for the course....especially the stretch from Jay to Wilmington and then the final 10 miles that everyone talks about. The other thing, though, is the Keene descent. Not to sound like a baby, but I rode it on two different days with nobody around and found the speed a little scary. I can imagine it being even more uncomfortable on race day with people screaming by me at 50 mph! I currently ride a Cervelo Dual and have been seriously thinking about an upgrade for LP. My question is this: for this specific bike course do you still think a tri bike provides an advantage? While flying down Keene I was lamenting my front end and wishing I was on a road bike that would provide more stability and control. A similar thought crossed my mind while doing the final climb back into LP....although at that time I was just wishing for a slightly lighter bike of any kind. So for this specific race the issue is whether to go to a road bike or upgrade to a higher end carbon tri bike. Any thoughts? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() greyguy - 2010-01-19 10:37 AM 1. Is this your first IM? yes 2. Have you done LP before? no 3. What are your goals for the 2010 race? To finish and not get divorced before the race 4. Do you have any specific questions that you wish addressed about LP (the race, training etc) Yes -- I was up there last year as a volunteer (Run #1 near Lisa G's) and took some time to ride the bike. I came away with a very healthy respect for the course....especially the stretch from Jay to Wilmington and then the final 10 miles that everyone talks about. The other thing, though, is the Keene descent. Not to sound like a baby, but I rode it on two different days with nobody around and found the speed a little scary. I can imagine it being even more uncomfortable on race day with people screaming by me at 50 mph! I currently ride a Cervelo Dual and have been seriously thinking about an upgrade for LP. My question is this: for this specific bike course do you still think a tri bike provides an advantage? While flying down Keene I was lamenting my front end and wishing I was on a road bike that would provide more stability and control. A similar thought crossed my mind while doing the final climb back into LP....although at that time I was just wishing for a slightly lighter bike of any kind. So for this specific race the issue is whether to go to a road bike or upgrade to a higher end carbon tri bike. Any thoughts? If road bikes provided an advantage for IMLP then everyone would be riding one. As it is, you'll see very few... and for good reason. If you get out of your aero-bars on the descent it will provide additional comfort, though you'll see lots of people riding it on their bars as well... on all types of bikes. That tells me the secret is not the type of bike, but the rider's skill. And to be honest, the "skill" is probably more about comfort/fear than actual bike handling. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I am with Greyguy regarding answer to question #3. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Ask Jenn (with 2N`s) they forming some sort of BT get together for IMLP and Plzzz do not spell Jenn(with 2N`s wrong) her user name is gospennstate on here. ![]() |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Livestrong191 - 2010-01-19 11:56 AM Ask Jenn (with 2N`s) they forming some sort of BT get together for IMLP and Plzzz do not spell Jenn(with 2N`s wrong) her user name is gospennstate on here. ![]() Ha... Ha... Ha... gps also works. ![]() Camps: There are a bunch. I am hopeful to go to JorgeM's camp this year. There are a few BTers who will be there. I did a little bit of the Fireman camp as well last year. It's a huge camp, and everyone stays in all different hotels. So basically I felt like what I got out of it was a supported ride and the banquet dinner w/ speakers (speakers were helpful), which last year you paid an extra $30 for i think. Aid stations set up is nice....but not enough for me to do it again. If you print off a cue sheet on mapmyride, it's pretty easy to figure out the route. There is a convenience store at the out & back, so it's an easy place mid way to stop & buy more drinks. Then you can stop back at your hotel at the end of Loop 1 for more drinks. So it's not a hard ride to do self-supported b/c of the location of that convenience store. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gopennstate - 2010-01-19 12:06 PM Livestrong191 - 2010-01-19 11:56 AM Ask Jenn (with 2N`s) they forming some sort of BT get together for IMLP and Plzzz do not spell Jenn(with 2N`s wrong) her user name is gospennstate on here. ![]() Ha... Ha... Ha... gps also works. ![]() Haha I was going to write miss pink piggie swim toes but that would have made you sound wierd lol |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() greyguy Given your answer to q3 then for q4 just ride whatever bike you are going to be comfortable on for that length of time. When I did it in 2007 there were quite a few road bikes there but it was predominantly tri bikes. I rode a road bike with a triple ring and it worked beautifully for me. Having said that, since then I have got a tri bike which I intend to ride. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() trigirlswim - 2010-01-18 11:10 PM 1. Is this your first IM? yes It depends on what you want to get out of the camp. If you need coaching and support, you'll want to pay more and go with something more structured. If you just want ride support (water, etc.) then you can go with the cheaper camps. I've ridden the course totally alone with no support and done just fine. I've also ridden with a camp (Jorge's camp last year) and while it was really nice to have the on-course support and motivation, I still rode alone. It's a training camp and people are there to push themselves so it's not like you're out in a pack of riders. The group swim was really nice, but beyond that, I chose to do my own thing when it came to shorter rides and the running. As Jenn said, the course is really easy to follow. There are very few turns so it's hard to get lost. I enjoyed the camp mostly for the social aspect. It's really nice to share the training weekend with others training for an Ironman. |
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Member![]() ![]() | ![]() 1. Is this your first IM? yes 2. Have you done LP before? no 3. What are your goals for the 2010 race? Finish Happy!!! 4. Do you have any specific questions that you wish addressed about LP (the race, training etc) I have a few friends looking to come up to watch and cheer on their IM virgin friend...anyone know if there are any available rooms anywhere? |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Kevlujohn - 2010-01-19 4:22 PM 1. Is this your first IM? yes 2. Have you done LP before? no 3. What are your goals for the 2010 race? Finish Happy!!! 4. Do you have any specific questions that you wish addressed about LP (the race, training etc) I have a few friends looking to come up to watch and cheer on their IM virgin friend...anyone know if there are any available rooms anywhere? Most places sold out the day after the race, but have waiting lists. They may want to look at renting a house if there are a few of them, try VRBO.com. Good luck! |
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New user![]() | ![]() The Firemanironman camp runs over 3 days and is geared for all levels. That is the beauty of such a large group -- you will always have someone to ride and run with. You will complete all disciplines of the race during the time of day you will be doing it on race day. You will have completed the full Ironman and then some over the 3 days and the confidence and mental visualization you will gain is priceless. Yes, we have had had countless Hawaii Qualifiiers and podium athletes. This year we have Lake Placid age group champions, Hawaii age group champions and an overall Hawaii World Champion Karen Smyers will be joining us this year, but everyone is equally important and we try and focus on the first timer and provide them with the knowledge, confidence and attitude to have a great race. This is not a testosterone hammer fest (OK, maybe the lead group is) but the only real requirement is to leave your ego at home. We train hard and have a lot of fun...too much fun sometimes... This is not a money maker we keep this as inexpensive as we can put the money back into the camp to provide a great knowledge base and support unit to provide everything you will need to have a successful weekend and race. Many people choose to go up and ride the course themselves and some choose a all- inclusive camp. It really is a personal choice, and what ever you decide we wish you a heathy safe journey.
Good Luck Train Safe Larry Parker www.firemanironman.com www.firemanironman.blogspot.com |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hey greyguy and Jackie, I will be on a road bike this year--can't afford to buy another bike. I'm sure some people use road bikes because they're more comfortable on them, but I would be a hefty percentage of the road bikers at the race are like me and are just riding what they have because of the expense of getting a tri bike. I am going to go to a bike fitter and see how much we can modify it to make the aero position more comfortable on it, though. Kelly |
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![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() BTW, I have been reading this thread for a while and have found it very helpful to me as a first timer. My name is Brian and I am a 42 year old living on Long Island with my wife and three kids. Work is as lawyer in NYC and commute + family + job = need for maximum training efficiency....so many thanks to the veterans for sharing the knowledge! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() greyguy - 2010-01-20 1:51 PM BTW, I have been reading this thread for a while and have found it very helpful to me as a first timer. My name is Brian and I am a 42 year old living on Long Island with my wife and three kids. Work is as lawyer in NYC and commute + family + job = need for maximum training efficiency....so many thanks to the veterans for sharing the knowledge! Welcome! Brian...you need to meet Bobby (Dream Chaser). He's in your neck of the woods. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() KWin - 2010-01-20 9:01 AM Hey greyguy and Jackie, I will be on a road bike this year--can't afford to buy another bike. I'm sure some people use road bikes because they're more comfortable on them, but I would be a hefty percentage of the road bikers at the race are like me and are just riding what they have because of the expense of getting a tri bike. I am going to go to a bike fitter and see how much we can modify it to make the aero position more comfortable on it, though. Kelly Kelly, Do this sooner rather than later. And don't skimp on a good fitter. It doesn't matter if you're riding a 10 yr old road bike or a brand new top of the line tri bike, if you're fit on it properly you will maximize the benefits of it. I used a road bike with aerobars for 2 seasons. Not a problem. But pay good money for a great bike fit. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks Marvarnett for the advice, I will do that. We have a great bike fitter here and I had him set me up on the bike originally--gonna go back to him and get it dialed in fairly soon. Thank you! Greyguy, I am also on Long Island. Lots of tri people here. Are you on the Runner's Edge tri team? It's a great way to find training buddies, learn from people, etc. Welcome to the forum. Kelly |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() This got lost at the bottom of page 40-something, so I am reposting, in between the discussion of seat height and supported LP rides. ![]() swishyskirt - 2010-01-18 9:08 PM Anyone here do IMLP on the BT Ironman plan (the free one)? I might tweak things here or there, but I guess I'd just like someone to say "Yeah! That's a great plan and if you stick to it and do the work, you'll totally cross the finishline!" Currently, I'm trying to do extra bike workouts so I have a stronger base on that going into the spring, since my biking sucks. (As does my swimming, but I know you can gain far more on time/energy by being a better cyclist than being a better swimmer). |
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![]() swishyskirt - 2010-01-20 5:41 PM This got lost at the bottom of page 40-something, so I am reposting, in between the discussion of seat height and supported LP rides. ![]() swishyskirt - 2010-01-18 9:08 PM Anyone here do IMLP on the BT Ironman plan (the free one)? I might tweak things here or there, but I guess I'd just like someone to say "Yeah! That's a great plan and if you stick to it and do the work, you'll totally cross the finishline!" Currently, I'm trying to do extra bike workouts so I have a stronger base on that going into the spring, since my biking sucks. (As does my swimming, but I know you can gain far more on time/energy by being a better cyclist than being a better swimmer). I haven't done an Ironman yet... but I am using the BT Beginner HIM plan now (loosely), and then will segway into the BT Intermediate Plan on, I think, the second week in March. And I will follow that 20 week plan closely. All I have to say is: They better freaking work! |
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