'The' Gun Thread (Page 36)

It's only logical that people believe that universal background checks are just the first step, and that more and stricter gun regulation will follow from the Obama administration. "Sooner or later, we're going to get this right," the president predicted in his Rose Garden remarks after the defeat. Vice President Biden was quoted yesterday saying that the president would be moving forward with more executive actions; former Speaker Nancy Pelosi told The Hill that further gun legislation is "inevitable" and "a matter of time." That's why people think this is the beginning of a slippery slope. The administration has said so, and its past record of expanding the reach and scope of government suggests that the White House will not stop with background checks. It's not irrational or inexplicable at all.

tuwood - 2013-04-20 4:43 PM

Will Piers Morgan Keep His Word and Deport Himself?

Of course we know the answer, but I always find these things funny.

Aarondb4 - 2013-04-19 4:54 PM

Ahem!

Gun Thread rules dictate that you at least tell us what you bought for her and if you are feeling generous post a pic. Otherwise you have to keep info like this to yourself!

Kido - 2013-04-19 2:47 PM

Well, the concern is this guy may have explosives strapped to his person.  If I had a gun or not, or wished I had a gun or not, I would also think it may do not good against a bomb if they guy comes to my house.

Along the same lines of IED's or trip wires or landmines the military deal with.  I'm sure having their M-4 on them doesn't offer any comfort to that threat.  In a fire fight?  Sure.

 

What made me perk my ears up a little and made me say  "I don't know about that".  Apparently, in the home to home search the protocol is to knock first.  If no answer, they use a blow horn.  If no answer?  They kick down the door and enter.  I know we need to catch this guy, but man, that's pushing the line of illegal search, no?  Maybe it's the right thing to do, but I can't help feel icky about it. 

1_Mad_Madone - 2013-04-20 9:00 PM

SO If the guy choses my house and I shoot his arse its over; if the guy blows us both up its over; either way it’s over...

If I don’t shoot his arse and he kills my family and then moves on to the next family then it’s easy to understand how this could play out... how many families?

If they kick down my door while I'm not home and find nothing great as long as they close, secure the door and pay for the repairs…

If they kick down the door and find the SOB and end the madness then I think I would just be happy my family and my city is safe.

Now IF they cataloged every house they went into and return next week with warrants for violations found during the "search"... we shall see...

Pretty sure there was "Just cause" for the tactics used... at least in my view....

Contrary to what you may have heard from CNN, the president, or other unreliable sources, this is how the U.S. Senate is supposed to work. Senators debated legislation, considered competing amendments and voted. The process isn’t broken just because you didn’t like the result.

tuwood - 2013-04-20 10:04 PM

jmk-brooklyn - 2013-04-21 7:32 AMIts funny, b/c some very liberal friends of mine have already decided that the shots were fired at the participants by someone who was opposed to the event. You've already decided that the shots were fired by someone who was a participant at the event. Seems like everyone's jumping to whatever conclusion best serves their politics.

ScudRunner - 2013-04-21 7:38 AM

Tested my first batch of handloads yesterday.  Didn't blow my face off, so mission accomplished.

The rounds cycled the action of my pistol, so that was good.  However, not one of the rounds hit near the point of aim.  They were all low.  That, combined with the flakes of unburned powder on my arms, leads me to believe they were woefully undercharged.

The Lyman reloading manual I have has load data for two different types of 200 grain cast bullets.  I went with the more conservative data, which has a maximum charge (5.4 grains) that is less than the starting charge for the other bullet (6.0 with a max of 6.7).  I loaded rounds with 5.0 grains and 5.2 grains, so I have plenty of room to work up.  Of course, I'm working with a 50 round sample pack of this particular bullet, so by the time I figure it out I'll be out of rounds and the company still isn't taking bulk orders due to their backlog.

Maybe by then I'll have gotten my .308 dies and I can start working on a recipe for my M1A.

Speaking of the M1A, it is so choice.  If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up.

jmk-brooklyn - 2013-04-21 8:32 AM



Its funny, b/c some very liberal friends of mine have already decided that the shots were fired at the participants by someone who was opposed to the event. You've already decided that the shots were fired by someone who was a participant at the event. Seems like everyone's jumping to whatever conclusion best serves their politics.

ScudRunner - 2013-04-21 7:38 AM

Tested my first batch of handloads yesterday.  Didn't blow my face off, so mission accomplished.

The rounds cycled the action of my pistol, so that was good.  However, not one of the rounds hit near the point of aim.  They were all low.  That, combined with the flakes of unburned powder on my arms, leads me to believe they were woefully undercharged.

The Lyman reloading manual I have has load data for two different types of 200 grain cast bullets.  I went with the more conservative data, which has a maximum charge (5.4 grains) that is less than the starting charge for the other bullet (6.0 with a max of 6.7).  I loaded rounds with 5.0 grains and 5.2 grains, so I have plenty of room to work up.  Of course, I'm working with a 50 round sample pack of this particular bullet, so by the time I figure it out I'll be out of rounds and the company still isn't taking bulk orders due to their backlog.

Maybe by then I'll have gotten my .308 dies and I can start working on a recipe for my M1A.

Speaking of the M1A, it is so choice.  If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up.

DanielG - 2013-04-21 9:08 AM



I'm not seeing a comment on who did it at all, just a statement of fact for two different get togethers. Perhaps you can point out to me where anyone has decided it was a participant or an external person, please?

firstnet911 - 2013-04-21 10:18 AM

Did the cast bullets group well? If not, the light load may not be enough to get them to seal the rifling and you may see better groups as you increase the powder charge.

Dan-L - 2013-04-21 6:08 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/21/boston-marathon-bombs-us-gun-law

Article taken from a UK newspaper

Not something I agree with but I thought some of you might find it interesting.

DanielG - 2013-04-21 5:31 PMWe had a discussion about whether England had any say in US law some 230 years or so ago. The US decided that England gets no say in it.Of course, they can chatter on amongst themselves all they want.

ChineseDemocracy - 2013-04-21 7:37 PM

I have to admit, like I said earlier in the gun discussion, the gun rights folks do make some very good points.  What I've read has definitely made me reconsider my gun laws stance.  That said, what's up with the NRA and there involvement fighting the inclusion of identifiers into gunpowders.  From what I read, other countries include identifying "markers?" into the powder.  In terror attacks it can be used to help trace where the bombs came from.  Is there a reason I am not aware of that the NRA objects to something like this? 

Marking, Rendering Inert, and Licensing of Explosive Materials

Interim Report

Committee on Marking, Rendering Inert, and Licensing of Explosive Materials

Board on Chemical Sciences and Technology

Commission on Physical Sciences, Mathematics, and Applications

National Research Council

NATIONAL ACADEMY PRESS
WASHINGTON, D.C.
1997

NAS Final Report on Black and Smokeless Powder

To conduct the study on black and smokeless powders, the National Research Council, the research body of the NAS, created the Committee on Smokeless and Black Powder which conducted the research and wrote the final report. In that final report, which was reviewed by an independent panel of experts with diverse perspectives and technical expertise, included the following findings:

Bombs using black and smokeless powders account for a small number of deaths and injuries each year. (Annually, 10 deaths and approximately 100 injuries.)

Information gathered by the BATF and the FBI regarding bombings is incomplete.
An effective taggant system with the associated record keeping would incur significant costs.
No taggant system has been found that is technically feasible for use in black and smokeless powders.

The Committee specifically recommended:
"Detection markers in black and smokeless powder should not be implemented at the present time."
"Identification taggants in black and smokeless powder should not be implemented at the present time."

ScudRunner - 2013-04-21 4:03 PM

Not, they did not group well.  I'm going to load the next batch using the data from my manual for the other 200 grain cast bullet.  I checked again, and the range is 6.0 to 7.5, and the OAL is much closer to what I get when I seat the bullets properly (calls for a min OAL of 1.235, and I am seating at 1.25).  So, I'll start the next batch at 6 and see what happens.

DanielG - 2013-04-21 7:08 AM I'm not seeing a comment on who did it at all, just a statement of fact for two different get togethers. Perhaps you can point out to me where anyone has decided it was a participant or an external person, please?