Pres Debate #3

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mr2tony - 2012-10-23 8:55 AM

1stTimeTri - 2012-10-23 10:52 AM

scoobysdad - 2012-10-23 10:45 AM

Gaarryy - 2012-10-23 10:38 AM

tjh - 2012-10-23 1:15 AM

"Horses and bayonets" appears to have replaced "binders full of women" as the new internet meme.

But I have to say (as a Navy man), Obama's comments about the size and function of the Navy are among the most ignorant things I've ever heard from a president.

I think this will hurt him.. Badly.. doesnt he need to win Virginia? where the boats that go under water and have planes land on them are built. I would think the Navy Vets and people looking at the ship building effecting the local economy would be paying attention to his remarks more than someone in Iowa ( or any other land locked state)

Same things when Romney was speaking about GM.. his .. I was born in detroit, love american cars. those remarks might really boost him in Ohio and Michigan.

Sometimes I forget that there is a bigger picture and it's not the popular vote they are going for, They need to win states and tailor the remarks towards those issue's that really are not having an impact on where I live. but for them to win it's Huge.

Some of the U.S. Navy's most expensive and exciting new ships are also being built right here in Wisconsin, another swing state very much in play. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33431534/ns/us_news-military/t/navy-tes...

So, that means that jobs were created in the last four years??

No no no! Well, maybe. If they were, it's because of something Bush did. If not, then it's because Obama is a bad president.

Bush was the worst pres in history and Obama is doing a great job for what he inherited.

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Subject: RE: Pres Debate #3

mr2tony - 2012-10-23 10:55 AM

1stTimeTri - 2012-10-23 10:52 AM

scoobysdad - 2012-10-23 10:45 AM

Gaarryy - 2012-10-23 10:38 AM

tjh - 2012-10-23 1:15 AM

"Horses and bayonets" appears to have replaced "binders full of women" as the new internet meme.

But I have to say (as a Navy man), Obama's comments about the size and function of the Navy are among the most ignorant things I've ever heard from a president.

I think this will hurt him.. Badly.. doesnt he need to win Virginia? where the boats that go under water and have planes land on them are built. I would think the Navy Vets and people looking at the ship building effecting the local economy would be paying attention to his remarks more than someone in Iowa ( or any other land locked state)

Same things when Romney was speaking about GM.. his .. I was born in detroit, love american cars. those remarks might really boost him in Ohio and Michigan.

Sometimes I forget that there is a bigger picture and it's not the popular vote they are going for, They need to win states and tailor the remarks towards those issue's that really are not having an impact on where I live. but for them to win it's Huge.

Some of the U.S. Navy's most expensive and exciting new ships are also being built right here in Wisconsin, another swing state very much in play. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33431534/ns/us_news-military/t/navy-tes...

So, that means that jobs were created in the last four years??

No no no! Well, maybe. If they were, it's because of something Bush did. If not, then it's because Obama is a bad president.

Actually, it was because of something Bush did-- he approved the littoral battleship program, which included the USS Freedom, which was built in Marinette, Wisconsin, and commissioned on November 8, 2008. I know-- I was there at the commissioning.

The construction of battleships merely has continued under the Obama administration. So no, no "new" jobs were created in the last 4 years.

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scoobysdad - 2012-10-23 11:01 AM

mr2tony - 2012-10-23 10:55 AM

1stTimeTri - 2012-10-23 10:52 AM

scoobysdad - 2012-10-23 10:45 AM

Gaarryy - 2012-10-23 10:38 AM

tjh - 2012-10-23 1:15 AM

"Horses and bayonets" appears to have replaced "binders full of women" as the new internet meme.

But I have to say (as a Navy man), Obama's comments about the size and function of the Navy are among the most ignorant things I've ever heard from a president.

I think this will hurt him.. Badly.. doesnt he need to win Virginia? where the boats that go under water and have planes land on them are built. I would think the Navy Vets and people looking at the ship building effecting the local economy would be paying attention to his remarks more than someone in Iowa ( or any other land locked state)

Same things when Romney was speaking about GM.. his .. I was born in detroit, love american cars. those remarks might really boost him in Ohio and Michigan.

Sometimes I forget that there is a bigger picture and it's not the popular vote they are going for, They need to win states and tailor the remarks towards those issue's that really are not having an impact on where I live. but for them to win it's Huge.

Some of the U.S. Navy's most expensive and exciting new ships are also being built right here in Wisconsin, another swing state very much in play. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33431534/ns/us_news-military/t/navy-tes...

So, that means that jobs were created in the last four years??

No no no! Well, maybe. If they were, it's because of something Bush did. If not, then it's because Obama is a bad president.

Actually, it was because of something Bush did-- he approved the littoral battleship program, which included the USS Freedom, which was built in Marinette, Wisconsin, and commissioned on November 8, 2008. I know-- I was there at the commissioning.

The construction of battleships merely has continued under the Obama administration. So no, no "new" jobs were created in the last 4 years.

OK so you're saying that Bush increased spending, thereby contributing to the rising deficit?

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So I tried to watch the debate last night. I have tried to watch all three debates. But I really can't take these two men calling each other liars arguing, fighting, and other otherwise not providing me the facts I need. If I wanted to watch that I could just put in some of my old holiday home movies and watch my uncles and cousins go at each other.

I like to make informed decisions about who I vote for. To do that I need data. I cannot vote based off of what someone says their plan is without them actually giving me the plan details (this goes for all politicians from all parties). "My plan is to cut taxes" is not a plan to me, tell me what taxes, by how much, and how you are going to make up for budget shortfalls so I can judge if your plan has merit in my eyes. The same goes for foreign policy, infrastructure, defense and all government programs.

Voting based on these debates to me is like ordering from a restaraunt whose menu is in a language I cannot read. I can see the pictures and get a very general idea, but I cannot actually read the menu so I have no clue what is actually in the dish.

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bel83 - 2012-10-23 11:12 AM

So I tried to watch the debate last night. I have tried to watch all three debates. But I really can't take these two men calling each other liars arguing, fighting, and other otherwise not providing me the facts I need. If I wanted to watch that I could just put in some of my old holiday home movies and watch my uncles and cousins go at each other.

I like to make informed decisions about who I vote for. To do that I need data. I cannot vote based off of what someone says their plan is without them actually giving me the plan details (this goes for all politicians from all parties). "My plan is to cut taxes" is not a plan to me, tell me what taxes, by how much, and how you are going to make up for budget shortfalls so I can judge if your plan has merit in my eyes. The same goes for foreign policy, infrastructure, defense and all government programs.

Voting based on these debates to me is like ordering from a restaraunt whose menu is in a language I cannot read. I can see the pictures and get a very general idea, but I cannot actually read the menu so I have no clue what is actually in the dish.

Honestly I would be afraid of anyone that claims to have a plan to fix everything and it can be explained in a 2min debate time slot. Have you checked out both sides main website where it does go into a little more detail?

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Subject: RE: Pres Debate #3

I'm saying that Obama's diss on shipbuilding may affect him in not just one but TWO key swing states, considering that it affects thousands of jobs not just in Virginia but also in Wisconsin.

http://www.jsonline.com/business/senate-committee-approves-funding-...

But I know it's very hard to give up the "blame Bush" game when talking about Obama and elections. It's like a reflex by this point.

Edited by scoobysdad 2012-10-23 11:29 AM

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I swore I heard the moderator say Obama Bin Laden last night. I saw on Twitter where a bunch of other thought they heard it also! LOL

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Why are all of the people up in arms about the deficit not mentioning Romney completely ignoring how he would offset the $2T increase in defense spending? That's almost 2 whole years of Obama deficits right there.

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JoshR - 2012-10-23 1:17 PM Why are all of the people up in arms about the deficit not mentioning Romney completely ignoring how he would offset the $2T increase in defense spending? That's almost 2 whole years of Obama deficits right there.

Josh, for someone who supports Gary Johnson, you seem to defend Obama a lot.

Does Romney propose an increase of $2T or does he propose a budget of $2T for the military?

I just checked his website Here: http://www.mittromney.com/issues/national-defense

and it says 4% of GDP which is 4% of $15.09T = $609 B. Where does Romney say increase by $2T? Maybe over 4 years is that what you mean? Here's Romney's statement about the cost:

This will not be a cost-free process. We cannot rebuild our military strength without paying for it. Mitt Romney will begin by reversing Obama-era defense cuts and return to the budget baseline established by Secretary Robert Gates in 2010, with the goal of setting core defense spending—meaning funds devoted to the fundamental military components of personnel, operations and maintenance, procurement, and research and development—at a floor of 4 percent of GDP.

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Gaarryy - 2012-10-23 9:16 AM

bel83 - 2012-10-23 11:12 AM

So I tried to watch the debate last night. I have tried to watch all three debates. But I really can't take these two men calling each other liars arguing, fighting, and other otherwise not providing me the facts I need. If I wanted to watch that I could just put in some of my old holiday home movies and watch my uncles and cousins go at each other.

I like to make informed decisions about who I vote for. To do that I need data. I cannot vote based off of what someone says their plan is without them actually giving me the plan details (this goes for all politicians from all parties). "My plan is to cut taxes" is not a plan to me, tell me what taxes, by how much, and how you are going to make up for budget shortfalls so I can judge if your plan has merit in my eyes. The same goes for foreign policy, infrastructure, defense and all government programs.

Voting based on these debates to me is like ordering from a restaraunt whose menu is in a language I cannot read. I can see the pictures and get a very general idea, but I cannot actually read the menu so I have no clue what is actually in the dish.

Honestly I would be afraid of anyone that claims to have a plan to fix everything and it can be explained in a 2min debate time slot. Have you checked out both sides main website where it does go into a little more detail?

yes I have looked and I would not expect a lengthy response in a debate but at this point I do not get enough to satisfy my curiousity. I do not expect them to even have a plan that they say will fix everything, but a detailed starting point would be good enough for me.

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GomesBolt - 2012-10-23 11:36 AM

JoshR - 2012-10-23 1:17 PM Why are all of the people up in arms about the deficit not mentioning Romney completely ignoring how he would offset the $2T increase in defense spending? That's almost 2 whole years of Obama deficits right there.

Josh, for someone who supports Gary Johnson, you seem to defend Obama a lot.

Does Romney propose an increase of $2T or does he propose a budget of $2T for the military?

I just checked his website Here: http://www.mittromney.com/issues/national-defense

and it says 4% of GDP which is 4% of $15.09T = $609 B. Where does Romney say increase by $2T? Maybe over 4 years is that what you mean? Here's Romney's statement about the cost:

This will not be a cost-free process. We cannot rebuild our military strength without paying for it. Mitt Romney will begin by reversing Obama-era defense cuts and return to the budget baseline established by Secretary Robert Gates in 2010, with the goal of setting core defense spending—meaning funds devoted to the fundamental military components of personnel, operations and maintenance, procurement, and research and development—at a floor of 4 percent of GDP.

I "defend" Obama more because no one is supporting him in case you haven't noticed. If anyone was saying how he was going to create 12 million new jobs, reduce taxes, balance the budget and make rainbows, I would attack those arguments as well.

The $2T (Romney estimates it at $1.6T) is over 10 years. Here's an article about what it is. We don't technically know what he wants to do, so it is all speculation, like just about everything Romney has proposed (no, Obama hasn't proposed anything either)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamas-claim-that-romney-wants-to-boost-defense-spending-by-2-trillion/2012/10/18/e1f11a5a-1992-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_blog.html

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Okay, now this is funny. Courtesy of Bloomberg.

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JoshR - 2012-10-23 3:32 PM

Okay, now this is funny. Courtesy of Bloomberg.

I never thought of it that way, unicorns really are horses with bayonets!

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mrbbrad - 2012-10-23 2:42 PM

JoshR - 2012-10-23 3:32 PM

Okay, now this is funny. Courtesy of Bloomberg.

I never thought of it that way, unicorns really are horses with bayonets!

And they poop rainbows.

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Subject: RE: Pres Debate #3

mrbbrad - 2012-10-23 2:42 PM

JoshR - 2012-10-23 3:32 PM

Okay, now this is funny. Courtesy of Bloomberg.

I never thought of it that way, unicorns really are horses with bayonets!

but do we have more or less of them now?

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mrbbrad - 2012-10-23 3:42 PM

JoshR - 2012-10-23 3:32 PM

Okay, now this is funny. Courtesy of Bloomberg.

I never thought of it that way, unicorns really are horses with bayonets!

That Clinton one is hilarious.

We may disagree on our individual political stance or ideology, but we can all agree this crazy election has given us some material that is just funny as sh*t! Just ask Joe Biden.

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Subject: RE: Pres Debate #3

Obama and Unicorns have always had a love affair. Just type Obama Unicorn in the google image search. There's a long record of this story.

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GomesBolt - 2012-10-23 2:58 PM Obama and Unicorns have always had a love affair. Just type Obama Unicorn in the google image search. There's a long record of this story.

lol, i can't believe i've never seen that before. dang it, now i feel like such an uninformed voter.

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rayd - 2012-10-23 9:51 AM

ChineseDemocracy - 2012-10-22 10:10 PM

GomesBolt - 2012-10-22 11:55 PM Why is it that when CNN explains the polls, they always say "this is a scientific poll of debate watchers and is approximately 8% more republican."?

If its a scientific poll then you adjust for what you think will be the electorate (I.e. you value the Rs votes less). Right? Otherwise, where's the science?

But another thing is interesting. There have been 8% more Rs watching each of the debates. But all the polls indicate a majority of D voters. So either there will be 8% more Rs voting or the Dems who have not watched the debates (and I know there are many) will suddenly show up at the polls without having educated themselves on all the info.

What does COJ think the numbers will be? 8% more Rs or closer to 6% more D's like the polls have shown?

Really? You honestly believe that to be "educated on all the info" voters need to watch these debates? You really think more Republicans will vote 2 weeks from today? That's extremely unlikely.

The President just won his 2nd of 3 debates. There was a reason Mitt ignored foreign policy at the GOP Convention. Tonight showed why.

Actually Brian, I have to disagree with you on both points. Last night I was somewhat impressed with Romney and his knowledge of foriegn affairs. And while Romney seemed kind of passive at some points during the debate...I would not say that Mr. Obama was the winner. I know the pollsters are calling Obama but from what I understand Romney had a strategy and stayed with it last night. I don't think it lost him any votes and I do think Mr. Obama might have lost some undecided voters...especially military. Besides, Yahoo has a readers poll this morning and they have Romney 60%, Obama 40%. It's really hard to declare a true winner in a debate unless some Fs up really bad like Mr. O in the first one!

I'm mailing in my ballot tomorrow and I will be glad when this election is over and we can start talking about GnR again. BTW, Axl endorses Romney!

1st of all, Axl wouldn't endorse either of these guys...he's a smart rock star, he doesn't get political.

2nd of all, do you regularly read Yahoo reader polls? They couldn't be any more unscientific. btw, just read the comment sections there. After 5 minutes of reading it's difficult to not lose faith in humanity.

3rd, it was a clear win for President Obama. An overwhelming majority of scientific polls said so...but then again, we could pull a Hannity and tell everyone Romney won.

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