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2008-06-05 9:48 AM
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brownlab - 2008-06-04 3:08 PM

We found ourselves feeding our son mac n cheese and chicken nuggets because it was easier.........now we have a problem feeding him good, homecooked meals. He wants the processed food.



Just out of curiousity... how is mac n cheese easier than PB+J? Tuna sandwich and chips? Wheat thins and cheese? There are tons of things that aren't flat out processed that are just as easy as those two things. This is the type of stuff my kids get when we need to do super easy. On a rare occasion they will get Chef Boyardee but I do everything I can to avoid that because they do exactly what you've described. They start seeking the crappy foods if I give it to them too often.

I need to get our house back into the habit of family dinner time. For years we were great about making sure one meal a day was all four of us at the table at the same time. That has fallen by the wayside in the last 6 months and I want it back.


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brownlab - 2008-06-04 3:08 PM We found ourselves feeding our son mac n cheese and chicken nuggets because it was easier.........now we have a problem feeding him good, homecooked meals. He wants the processed food.
Just out of curiousity... how is mac n cheese easier than PB+J? Tuna sandwich and chips? Wheat thins and cheese? There are tons of things that aren't flat out processed that are just as easy as those two things. ...

Raw fruits and veggies????

2008-06-05 10:01 AM
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1stTimeTri - 2008-06-05 10:51 AM

Raw fruits and veggies????




That's good too, but you also have to give them things they're actually going to put into their mouth. Show me a kid who's going to eat raw veggies. I eat a lot of apples and my younger son will too but my older son has palate texture issues. Most fruits will make him gag and he literally cannot swallow them. I believe his response - I had it as a kid too and still have it for some fruits. I eventually ended up learning to pop them in a blender with some apple juice in order to get my fruit servings in but didn't get to that until well into my 20s.
2008-06-05 10:04 AM
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chadtower - 2008-06-05 11:01 AM
1stTimeTri - 2008-06-05 10:51 AM Raw fruits and veggies????

 

That's good too, but you also have to give them things they're actually going to put into their mouth. Show me a kid who's going to eat raw veggies. I eat a lot of apples and my younger son will too but my older son has palate texture issues. Most fruits will make him gag and he literally cannot swallow them. I believe his response - I had it as a kid too and still have it for some fruits. I eventually ended up learning to pop them in a blender with some apple juice in order to get my fruit servings in but didn't get to that until well into my 20s.

Most of the young kids I nannied for happily snacked on raw baby carrots - they come in a bag, prewashed. Can't get much simpler than that - open bag, dump on plate. Apple slices and bananas were usually hits as well. Never met a kid who wouldn't eat a banana.

2008-06-05 10:05 AM
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chadtower - 2008-06-05 10:01 AM
1stTimeTri - 2008-06-05 10:51 AM Raw fruits and veggies????

 

That's good too, but you also have to give them things they're actually going to put into their mouth. Show me a kid who's going to eat raw veggies. ..

My sons!  They love carrots, and my 2nd son enjoys snap peas like I do.  Depending on the mood, they'll go after broccoli.  My wife instilled this healthiness immediately.  I'm proud of her!

2008-06-05 10:36 AM
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My son does love raw carrots, it's one of the few veggies he'll eat.  Bananas are a hit too.

He hates meat though - I think the texture repluses him.......although he doesn't have a problem with processed nuggets, hmmm.  He flat out refuses to eat any chicken, pork or beef that we make.  I've taken to food processing ground chicken and sticking it in our spaghetti sauce - it's so small he can't pick it out.  Anyone have any other ideas?   

We've been actively making him join us at dinner with healthier food (but there's been many times when he refuses to eat anything).  It's hard to watch him go hungry, but I suppose if he were really hungry, he'd eat what we were having. 

*sigh*  I wish kids came with a manual.

 



2008-06-05 10:46 AM
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brownlab - 2008-06-05 11:36 AM

We've been actively making him join us at dinner with healthier food (but there's been many times when he refuses to eat anything).  It's hard to watch him go hungry, but I suppose if he were really hungry, he'd eat what we were having. 

Yup - kids aren't stupid. He won't starve.

Not a big deal if he doesn't like meat, I guess, but is he at least getting other protein sources, like beans? I wouldn't worry too much as long as he gets a viable protein source at mealtimes.

You could "make" your own chicken nuggets, simply by coating "nugget-sized" pieces of chicken breasts (sans bones, of course) with plain bread crumbs and some seasoning and baking them. A teeny bit time consuming, but at least they wouldn't contain any processed crap and wouldn't be fried. And you could make a bunch, stick them in the fridge and they'd last for a few days. Could probably freeze them too.

Other than that, keep bringing him to to the table - that's great and really important - he'll eat it, if he's hungry enough and it's there. I nannied for some families who didn't sit down together for meals and it just always seemed sad to me (the one family fed their kids in front of the TV - while the parents were home in the other room; not sure why they needed me there too! - inexcusable!!)

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trinnas - 2008-06-04 9:34 PM

Wow some of you are amazingly judgmentel.  How did you all become the purveyors of what is right and and who should be praised and punished.  If you don't like the way a parent raises their kids then don't look.  Next thing you know a group of people will impose their agenda for what they believe is right on you for the things you do that they don't agree with.  I don't drink, I think it is foolish, unhealthy and leads to way too many compromising situation including drunk driving.  A group of people who believed the way I do passed a law in 1920 outlawing alcohol maybe we should do it again?  Oh yeah that's right it didn't work because way to many people in this country are married to their beer on Fri/Sat/Sun...  If you want to drink it is not up to me to tell you what to do and how to live your life or how to raise your kids.  I am sure you intend to raise your children to view alcohol the same way you do.  There are way too many people out there who are willing to tell you how to behave and call you a bad parent if you do not parent the way they believe you should.  Just wait until you are on the receiving end.

Many of you have said I saw this or I saw that.  You take snap shots of peoples lives and then make snap judgments about them.  Some of those people may have justifications for the way they act that you know nothing about.  You want people to respect you for who you are and leave you alone to live your life but you are unwilling to let them do the same.  I look at my sons friends and most of them are not as skinny as he is (he won the genetic lottery on that score, I did not) but they are by no means fat.  Most of the kids I see around the neighborhood are also by no means fat.  Are we as a society getting heavier yes but we are also changing the definition of what is fat.  In todays world of size 00 models and actresses Marilyn Monroe would be considered positively obese at a size 16.  Because athleticism is a major focus of your life does not mean that anyone who does not follow your guidelines for living is wrong or bad.




Couple of things. In the case of obesity, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of the lifestyle from the "snapshot picture". While genetics plays a role, being overweight is much more a product of lifestyle and a series of choices that are made over and over again by either individuals for themselves or parents, in the case of kids. This is not an issue of "athleticism", this is an issue of health.

Next, you may be right in saying it's not our business how other people raise their kids IF we all weren't expected to pay for their choices in the form of higher health benefits and taxes. In fact, if President Obama (gack!) has his way, we're all soon going to be paying a LOT more for the lifestyle choices of others with whom we may not agree.


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Most of the young kids I nannied for happily snacked on raw baby carrots - they come in a bag, prewashed. Can't get much simpler than that - open bag, dump on plate. Apple slices and bananas were usually hits as well. Never met a kid who wouldn't eat a banana.




Bananas make me throw up. I literally cannot swallow banana. We're talking projectile comic effect vomiting. My older son does it too. Just the thought makes my throat tighten up.
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runnergirl - 2008-06-04 10:17 AM And lemme guess- they all had backpacks on wheels because they're too lazy to carry them.

Yup, a couple of them did. Looked like carry-on luggage.

Though with the amount of books and work that they pile on at an earlier and earlier age, I'm not too surprised. I wonder how I didn't end up with scoliosis from carrying my books in a shoulder bag from 7th grade on. But when I was in elementary school, we didn't have that kind of workload. Still though, kids are definitely fatter and lazier these days, as we've discussed ad nauseum in COJ. (Not bashing your thread at all, Ryan - I think the point continually needs to be made until someone does something about it)

I was going to mention that, too. I swear my backpack in middle school/high school weighed 30 pounds.

Backpacks??  Apparently we were not that soFisticated to have backpacks.  Load the books in a large gym bag and sling it over one shoulder and then alternate on the walk to and from school.

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2008-06-05 10:56 AM
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surfwallace - 2008-06-05 11:52 AM . My solution: veggie chick patties and nuggets. He has no clue and I don't feel bad feeding him any Morningstar stuff.

I meant to add that too! Trader Joe's, if you have one nearby, makes really good soy nuggets that aren't that crappy and actually taste good. I buy them for myself sometimes b/c they're quick and usually, I don't feel like cooking or thawing meat when I get home late.

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Wow some of you are amazingly judgmentel.  How did you all become the purveyors of what is right and and who should be praised and punished.  If you don't like the way a parent raises their kids then don't look.  Next thing you know a group of people will impose their agenda for what they believe is right on you for the things you do that they don't agree with.  I don't drink, I think it is foolish, unhealthy and leads to way too many compromising situation including drunk driving.  A group of people who believed the way I do passed a law in 1920 outlawing alcohol maybe we should do it again?  Oh yeah that's right it didn't work because way to many people in this country are married to their beer on Fri/Sat/Sun...  If you want to drink it is not up to me to tell you what to do and how to live your life or how to raise your kids.  I am sure you intend to raise your children to view alcohol the same way you do.  There are way too many people out there who are willing to tell you how to behave and call you a bad parent if you do not parent the way they believe you should.  Just wait until you are on the receiving end.

Many of you have said I saw this or I saw that.  You take snap shots of peoples lives and then make snap judgments about them.  Some of those people may have justifications for the way they act that you know nothing about.  You want people to respect you for who you are and leave you alone to live your life but you are unwilling to let them do the same.  I look at my sons friends and most of them are not as skinny as he is (he won the genetic lottery on that score, I did not) but they are by no means fat.  Most of the kids I see around the neighborhood are also by no means fat.  Are we as a society getting heavier yes but we are also changing the definition of what is fat.  In todays world of size 00 models and actresses Marilyn Monroe would be considered positively obese at a size 16.  Because athleticism is a major focus of your life does not mean that anyone who does not follow your guidelines for living is wrong or bad.

Couple of things. In the case of obesity, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of the lifestyle from the "snapshot picture". While genetics plays a role, being overweight is much more a product of lifestyle and a series of choices that are made over and over again by either individuals for themselves or parents, in the case of kids. This is not an issue of "athleticism", this is an issue of health. Next, you may be right in saying it's not our business how other people raise their kids IF we all weren't expected to pay for their choices in the form of higher health benefits and taxes. In fact, if President Obama (gack!) has his way, we're all soon going to be paying a LOT more for the lifestyle choices of others with whom we may not agree.

 

Actually studies have shown that healthy people cost more in terms of health care because they live longer and are subject to the diseases of old age such as cancer.  Secondly at what point do you stop, how about helmet laws? Cyclists (motorcyclists and Bicyclists) who don't wear their helmets are more likely to sustain serious head injuries in a crash.  These people increase health care costs shall we now mandate helmet use?  Loud music damages hearing shall we now mandate noise limits at rock concerts?  Some people will tell you red meat is bad for you shall we outlaw steaks?  Where does it stop?  What lifestyle choices do you make that I don't agree with, is it right for me to force my beliefs or priorities on you?  Is the life style unhealthy yes I don't think even the people living it would disagree, but does that make all of them, or even most of them morally bankrupt, lazy, uncaring...?  People have different priorities in life among your top priorities is eating right but that is not the case for all people.  I have seen people who are more concerned about their kid’s athletic performance than their academic ability, I think this is atrocious.   Just look at an interview with a number or pro athletes, the butchering of the English language that is rampant makes me wince.  Are the parents of these people bad?  Ultimately I try to look at people the way my mother taught me - There but for the grace of God/Providence/a unique set of circumstances go I.  Also known as - when they come for you who will stand up for you?

As for your assertion that it’s easy to get an idea of lifestyle from a snapshot don't bet on it.  I have gotten the look from people like you who believe that the snapshot tells all.  Any one who has been overweight knows "the Look".  The one people like you give me when I go and have a hamburger at a restaurant.  You know, the look that says if you just wouldn't eat that and got some exercise you wouldn't look like that.  Never mind that is the first time I've had a hamburger in at least 6+ months (and I don't even remember the last time I had a big mac and fries).  Never mind I rode for 60 miles earlier that day, if I just didn't eat like that and exercised more I wouldn't look like this.  I have many skinny friends and even not so skinny friends (but skinnier than me) that if I eat like they do I would be 300+ pounds.  I have been working at this for over 3 years now and have fought for every bit of progress I have gained but your snapshot wouldn't show you that.  Your snapshot is your prejudice, there are many skinny people who eat as poorly as many fat people yet you do no demonize them be cause they look a certain way.

 

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brownlab - 2008-06-05 10:36 AM He hates meat though - I think the texture repluses him.......although he doesn't have a problem with processed nuggets, hmmm.  He flat out refuses to eat any chicken, pork or beef that we make.  I've taken to food processing ground chicken and sticking it in our spaghetti sauce - it's so small he can't pick it out.  Anyone have any other ideas?   
My 3yo son has a big problem with meat. He will eat turkey burgers and turkey on the tacos we make. He will eat deli meat. He will also eat the nuggets. My solution: veggie chick patties and nuggets. He has no clue and I don't feel bad feeding him any Morningstar stuff. My 3yo doesn't eat much and I don't make him. I think that might have been my problem. I had to eat everything on my plate growing up and some things just haven't changed. He doesn't eat but is very healthy. He wants to eat certain meats; he wanted to try a hamburger when we were out of town earlier this week. He couldn't get it down. I don't think he likes red meat and I don't have a problem with that. We feed our kids as many fruits and veggies as we can get in them (mainly apples, oranges, grapes, bananas, green beans and corn). I am not worried about the lack of meat. They try everything and they like some and don't like others. All I care is that they are open to try and have the proper things in front of them at all times. Our pediatrician said early on that they won't starve. If they are hungry enough, they will find something you put in front of them to eat. Our variety may suck at this moment but it could be much worse. Disclaimer: I am not judging anyone else and I am not perfect or even correct. I just have a keyboard and am not afraid to use it.

I also remember our pediatrician telling us our kids won't starve.  Well, I believe that to be true but I still become concerned when they don't eat.  My daughter, now 8, won't eat meat either.  In fact, if she never had to eat anythng but raw fruits and vegtables she would be happy.  But this worries us, she is very thin and her energy level is not always where we think in should be.  We don't want to make eating stressfull for her...but we also want her to take in more calories.  We're constantly working on getting her to try new things...it's a struggle!  My 6 year old son on the other hand hates fruits and vegies and would live off of meat, cheese, noodles and chocolate if we let him. 

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trinnas - 2008-06-04 9:34 PM

Wow some of you are amazingly judgmentel.  How did you all become the purveyors of what is right and and who should be praised and punished.  If you don't like the way a parent raises their kids then don't look.  Next thing you know a group of people will impose their agenda for what they believe is right on you for the things you do that they don't agree with.  I don't drink, I think it is foolish, unhealthy and leads to way too many compromising situation including drunk driving.  A group of people who believed the way I do passed a law in 1920 outlawing alcohol maybe we should do it again?  Oh yeah that's right it didn't work because way to many people in this country are married to their beer on Fri/Sat/Sun...  If you want to drink it is not up to me to tell you what to do and how to live your life or how to raise your kids.  I am sure you intend to raise your children to view alcohol the same way you do.  There are way too many people out there who are willing to tell you how to behave and call you a bad parent if you do not parent the way they believe you should.  Just wait until you are on the receiving end.

Many of you have said I saw this or I saw that.  You take snap shots of peoples lives and then make snap judgments about them.  Some of those people may have justifications for the way they act that you know nothing about.  You want people to respect you for who you are and leave you alone to live your life but you are unwilling to let them do the same.  I look at my sons friends and most of them are not as skinny as he is (he won the genetic lottery on that score, I did not) but they are by no means fat.  Most of the kids I see around the neighborhood are also by no means fat.  Are we as a society getting heavier yes but we are also changing the definition of what is fat.  In todays world of size 00 models and actresses Marilyn Monroe would be considered positively obese at a size 16.  Because athleticism is a major focus of your life does not mean that anyone who does not follow your guidelines for living is wrong or bad.

Couple of things. In the case of obesity, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of the lifestyle from the "snapshot picture". While genetics plays a role, being overweight is much more a product of lifestyle and a series of choices that are made over and over again by either individuals for themselves or parents, in the case of kids. This is not an issue of "athleticism", this is an issue of health. Next, you may be right in saying it's not our business how other people raise their kids IF we all weren't expected to pay for their choices in the form of higher health benefits and taxes. In fact, if President Obama (gack!) has his way, we're all soon going to be paying a LOT more for the lifestyle choices of others with whom we may not agree.

 

Actually studies have shown that healthy people cost more in terms of health care because they live longer and are subject to the diseases of old age such as cancer.  Secondly at what point do you stop, how about helmet laws? Cyclists (motorcyclists and Bicyclists) who don't wear their helmets are more likely to sustain serious head injuries in a crash.  These people increase health care costs shall we now mandate helmet use?  Loud music damages hearing shall we now mandate noise limits at rock concerts?  Some people will tell you red meat is bad for you shall we outlaw steaks?  Where does it stop?  What lifestyle choices do you make that I don't agree with, is it right for me to force my beliefs or priorities on you?  Is the life style unhealthy yes I don't think even the people living it would disagree, but does that make all of them, or even most of them morally bankrupt, lazy, uncaring...?  People have different priorities in life among your top priorities is eating right but that is not the case for all people.  I have seen people who are more concerned about their kid’s athletic performance than their academic ability, I think this is atrocious.   Just look at an interview with a number or pro athletes, the butchering of the English language that is rampant makes me wince.  Are the parents of these people bad?  Ultimately I try to look at people the way my mother taught me - There but for the grace of God/Providence/a unique set of circumstances go I.  Also known as - when they come for you who will stand up for you?

As for your assertion that it’s easy to get an idea of lifestyle from a snapshot don't bet on it.  I have gotten the look from people like you who believe that the snapshot tells all.  Any one who has been overweight knows "the Look".  The one people like you give me when I go and have a hamburger at a restaurant.  You know, the look that says if you just wouldn't eat that and got some exercise you wouldn't look like that.  Never mind that is the first time I've had a hamburger in at least 6+ months (and I don't even remember the last time I had a big mac and fries).  Never mind I rode for 60 miles earlier that day, if I just didn't eat like that and exercised more I wouldn't look like this.  I have many skinny friends and even not so skinny friends (but skinnier than me) that if I eat like they do I would be 300+ pounds.  I have been working at this for over 3 years now and have fought for every bit of progress I have gained but your snapshot wouldn't show you that.  Your snapshot is your prejudice, there are many skinny people who eat as poorly as many fat people yet you do no demonize them be cause they look a certain way.

 



Boy, that's a quick jump to "I have gotten the look from people like you"... tell me again, who is pre-judging whom?

I'm very interested in the studies you mention that show healthy people cost more in terms of health care because they live longer. Are they looking at aggregate costs over a lifetime, because overweight people don't have nearly the same longevity (because they're dying much younger from conditions and diseases that research has shown are directly related to obesity... diabetes, heart disease, certain forms of cancer, etc.)? Do they also take into account that healthy people who live longer PAY IN a disproportionate share because they're living longer? Please provide these studies you mention.

I also never made any mention of how I believe the Law should regulate individual behavior. Generally, I'm opposed to laws that attempt to do so because I don't believe they work. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I believe individuals are responsible for their own choices and behaviors. I simply have a problem when others' choices impact me, because then it becomes an infringement of my rights and freedoms.

Any form of socialized medicine, to me, is an infringement of my rights because such a system DICTATES (like those laws you're so afraid of) that I be held responsible for the unhealthy choices made by others... be it smoking, being overweight, heck, even engaging in extreme sports that are likely to result in serious injury. I would much prefer an MSA system, in which individuals draw on the funds they themselves contribute. Don't you think that then people would think twice about engaging in behaviors that will cost them thousands of dollars?

That being said, in the case of children, I think society does have a place in helping to ensure they are being raised in a safe and healthy environment. That is why we have laws against child abuse and neglect, child pornography, etc. These laws also potentially infringe on the rights of parents to raise their children as they see fit. Do these laws go too far too? I mean, where will it stop?



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scoobysdad - 2008-06-05 1:39 PM  That being said, in the case of children, I think society does have a place in helping to ensure they are being raised in a safe and healthy environment. That is why we have laws against child abuse and neglect, child pornography, etc. These laws also potentially infringe on the rights of parents to raise their children as they see fit. Do these laws go too far too? I mean, where will it stop?

Exactly. As adults, we are free to make stupid choices and f*ck up our lives all we want. But come on, if a parent loved their children, they wouldn't let them become obese by the age of 5 - that IS neglect, and bad parenting, imho. And I don't think you have to necessarily BE a parent to understand how important it is to take care of your children. It's common sense. And furthermore, wouldn't parents want to stay healthy themselves, so they can be around to see their kids grow up?



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wurkit_gurl - 2008-06-05 1:49 PM

It's common sense. And furthermore, wouldn't parents want to stay healthy themselves, so they can be around to see their kids grow up?




Well.... if you go outside and look around... your common sense should tell you a large percentage of people doesn't agree with that thought.
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Actually studies have shown that healthy people cost more in terms of health care because they live longer and are subject to the diseases of old age such as cancer.  >




Ummm. Doubtful. I'd like to see those studies. Here's some facts:

Everyday in the US, diabetes causes an estimated:
225 amputations
33-66 people lose their eyesight
117 people start therapy for end-stage kidney disease

Rates of Type 2 diabetes in children increased as much as 10-fold over the past 2 decades

Why? The obesity epidemic.
The CDC has great maps/data showing that in the last 10 yrs obesity has grown and diabetes right along with it. When diagnosed with diabetes you automatically get put on 3-4 meds to control it and other comorbidities. These maps are from CDC data:






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   Boy, that's a quick jump to "I have gotten the look from people like you"... tell me again, who is   pre-judging whom?


 Reffering to your statement - 

 Couple of things. In the case of obesity, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of the lifestyle from the "snapshot picture".

You apperently believe that you can tell you about peoples lifestyle by looking at them, your words not mine.  I did not mean to imply that you give people "the look".  If that is what you are objecting too I apologize, that was not my intent.

 I'm very interested in the studies you mention that show healthy people cost more in terms of health care because they live longer

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18711498

 

I will also have my issues with socialized healthcare but for different reasons.  The issue is you don't want to pay for other people’s choices well neither do I but we do it every day.  It is part of the social contract we make with society.  There are things you do, that are important to you, for which society picks up the increased costs.  I hear a great deal from people about their rights but almost no mention of when their rights impact my right or anyone else’s rights.  Unless you live on an island you are part of the social contract for good and for Ill.
Yes society has a duty to protect its children but again how far will you go?  I doubt you will find anyone willing to say the laws against child abuse/pornography are wrong but to equate poor food choices with beating a child is facetious.  Where do we stop?  Should people who are obese be discouraged from having children because the have poor genetic tendencies as well as poor choices?  Shall we tell people who have genetic illnesses that are transmittable to offspring that they also shouldn’t have children?  Shall we tell the woman with rheumatoid arthritis she shouldn't have kids because the health risks to that child are too great?  How about people with a family history of cancer not only are the health risks greater but the cost to society when their progeny end up with cancer are increased as well?   Whether or not we pass a law shall we demonize these people as well or just the ones with fat kids?

2008-06-05 1:57 PM
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< 'betes hijack >

Bloody CDC maps...oh wait...GSK maps (huge manufacturers of diabetic medications). Who the heck writes their copy? "Storm of Diabetes". For Pete's Sake, I'm not a bloody lightning bolt here. I just have a disease. And I really wish they'd put TYPE 2 in HUGE print across the top, because it makes life for us type 1's really annoying.

And in addition, it's kinda hurtful to be told repeatedly how much of a drag on resources I am because I have a disease. I've been told by strangers, "so you're the one raising my healthcare costs." I didn't chose it people, really, and trust me, its a drain on my own resources as well (a vial of insulin costs HOW MUCH?).

< /betes hijack >

On obesity:
Maybe its just the perspective of a girl who didn't really shape up til college, but man, it's HARD being a fat kid. You know you're being judged. You know people are secretly (or not so secretly) laughing at you. And being told "just shape up!" or "you're BAD (parents/person/whatever) because of what you eat" is unhelpful and disheartening. Perhaps I'm the minority here, but I think this whole thing has to be tackled in a positive manner, not with simplistic "if you'd just (exercise, eat right, blah blah blah) you wouldn't be this way" messages. We all know those things are so simple, yet complex at the same time. Negativity, name calling, and judgment aren't going to help. If it did, we wouldn't be here.
2008-06-05 2:06 PM
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trinnas - 2008-06-05 1:43 PM
Where do we stop?  Should people who are obese be discouraged from having children because the have poor genetic tendencies as well as poor choices?  Shall we tell people who have genetic illnesses that are transmittable to offspring that they also shouldn’t have children?  Shall we tell the woman with rheumatoid arthritis she shouldn't have kids because the health risks to that child are too great?  How about people with a family history of cancer not only are the health risks greater but the cost to society when their progeny end up with cancer are increased as well?   Whether or not we pass a law shall we demonize these people as well or just the ones with fat kids?



The difference between the obese person and those with diseases like cancer, arthritis or genetic illness is that obesity is self-imposed. Only in very, very, very rare cases is it genetic.



2008-06-05 2:06 PM
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phoenixazul - 2008-06-05 1:57 PM

< 'betes hijack >

Bloody CDC maps...oh wait...GSK maps (huge manufacturers of diabetic medications). Who the heck writes their copy? "Storm of Diabetes". For Pete's Sake, I'm not a bloody lightning bolt here. I just have a disease. And I really wish they'd put TYPE 2 in HUGE print across the top, because it makes life for us type 1's really annoying.

And in addition, it's kinda hurtful to be told repeatedly how much of a drag on resources I am because I have a disease. I've been told by strangers, "so you're the one raising my healthcare costs." I didn't chose it people, really, and trust me, its a drain on my own resources as well (a vial of insulin costs HOW MUCH?).

< /betes hijack >

On obesity:
Maybe its just the perspective of a girl who didn't really shape up til college, but man, it's HARD being a fat kid. You know you're being judged. You know people are secretly (or not so secretly) laughing at you. And being told "just shape up!" or "you're BAD (parents/person/whatever) because of what you eat" is unhelpful and disheartening. Perhaps I'm the minority here, but I think this whole thing has to be tackled in a positive manner, not with simplistic "if you'd just (exercise, eat right, blah blah blah) you wouldn't be this way" messages. We all know those things are so simple, yet complex at the same time. Negativity, name calling, and judgment aren't going to help. If it did, we wouldn't be here.


Data is data and it's from the CDC. I can go to the CDC website and pull down the same map and repost if you you like. Either way, the country is getting fatter and sicker.

2008-06-05 2:12 PM
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triturn - 2008-06-05 1:20 PM
trinnas - 2008-06-05 11:55 AM

 

 

Actually studies have shown that healthy people cost more in terms of health care because they live longer and are subject to the diseases of old age such as cancer.  >

Ummm. Doubtful. I'd like to see those studies. Here's some facts: Everyday in the US, diabetes causes an estimated: 225 amputations 33-66 people lose their eyesight 117 people start therapy for end-stage kidney disease Rates of Type 2 diabetes in children increased as much as 10-fold over the past 2 decades Why? The obesity epidemic. The CDC has great maps/data showing that in the last 10 yrs obesity has grown and diabetes right along with it. When diagnosed with diabetes you automatically get put on 3-4 meds to control it and other comorbidities. These maps are from CDC data:

yet more reasons to move back to colorado - thanks!

2008-06-05 2:13 PM
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That's not a study.  That's a simulation.

Those of us who deal with this on a daily basis don't need a simulation.  The vast majority of my time is dealing with self-imposed problems from smoking to obesity to alcoholism. 

For the record, that's not a judgement of anybody.  It's just an honest observation.

2008-06-05 2:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Just followed a school bus through town...
trinnas - 2008-06-05 1:43 PM

   Boy, that's a quick jump to "I have gotten the look from people like you"... tell me again, who is   pre-judging whom?


 Reffering to your statement - 

 Couple of things. In the case of obesity, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of the lifestyle from the "snapshot picture".

You apperently believe that you can tell you about peoples lifestyle by looking at them, your words not mine.  I did not mean to imply that you give people "the look".  If that is what you are objecting too I apologize, that was not my intent.

 I'm very interested in the studies you mention that show healthy people cost more in terms of health care because they live longer

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18711498

 

I will also have my issues with socialized healthcare but for different reasons.  The issue is you don't want to pay for other people’s choices well neither do I but we do it every day.  It is part of the social contract we make with society.  There are things you do, that are important to you, for which society picks up the increased costs.  I hear a great deal from people about their rights but almost no mention of when their rights impact my right or anyone else’s rights.  Unless you live on an island you are part of the social contract for good and for Ill.
Yes society has a duty to protect its children but again how far will you go?  I doubt you will find anyone willing to say the laws against child abuse/pornography are wrong but to equate poor food choices with beating a child is facetious.  Where do we stop?  Should people who are obese be discouraged from having children because the have poor genetic tendencies as well as poor choices?  Shall we tell people who have genetic illnesses that are transmittable to offspring that they also shouldn’t have children?  Shall we tell the woman with rheumatoid arthritis she shouldn't have kids because the health risks to that child are too great?  How about people with a family history of cancer not only are the health risks greater but the cost to society when their progeny end up with cancer are increased as well?   Whether or not we pass a law shall we demonize these people as well or just the ones with fat kids?




I read the article/5-paragraph snippet. It's flawed reasoning in exactly the way I pointed out: healthy people "cost" more IN TOTAL because they live longer than obese people. Brilliant. Also, no mention that they PAY IN disproportionately more because live longer, more productive lives (are able to work).

Again, I have made no statements about social legislation, nor do I really care to go down that path. We could spend all day coming up with "slippery slope" arguments and get nowhere. I'm not looking to demonize anyone, nor have I. I would like to look for ways to assist individuals/parents re-think unhealthy choices they make for themselves and their children. That is partly because I would love to see a healthier society with more people (especially children) leading happier, healthier lives and partly because I do not want to pay the price for the poor choices of others.

Yes, I stand by my assertion that, in the overwhelming number of cases of people who are obese, their physical appearance is a direct result of their lifetimes of unhealthy choices moreso than their genetic makeup. If genetics were the chief cause, please explain the CDC graphs provided by the earlier poster. Obesity does not increase 10x in a short span of time because of genetics. It is a result of lifestyle choices made by individuals responsible for their own behavior.
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