Bill Clinton is pathological liar!!!! (Page 4)

• Just Cause: Force may be used only to correct a grave public evil (e.g. a massive violation of the basic rights of whole populations) or in defense;
• Comparative Justice: While there may be rights and wrongs on all sides of a conflict, to override the presumption against the use of force, the injustice suffered by one party must significantly outweigh that suffered by the other;
• Legitimate Authority: Only duly constituted public authorities may use deadly force or wage war;
• Right Intention: Force may be used only in a truly just cause and solely for that purpose; Correcting a suffered wrong is considered a right intention, while material gain is not.
• Probability of Success: Arms may not be used in a futile cause or in a case where disproportionate measures are required to achieve success;
• Proportionality: The overall destruction expected from the use of force must be outweighed by the good to be achieved.[2]
• Last Resort: force may be used only after all peaceful and viable alternatives have been seriously tried and exhausted.

I rode the bus everywhere!  To school, to the mall, to friends houses..... yeah, a white girl in MISSISSIPPI.  My school bus was 2/3rds black folks though and the white kids always sat in the back (probably b/c we got on first).

Sorry I had to drive home from work and catch up......first off let me say that I truely did not mean to offend anyone from the Great Frozen North....that being said I felt as if Opus was questioning my qualifications on commenting on the Clinton administration...and I was saying if I am not justified how can you be since you aren't a citizen and don't participate in our polictical process. That being said, I saw with my own eyes how the Department of Defense gutted the military during the Clinton years, expected the American fighting men and women to do more with less, and oh yea soldiers and dogs keep off the grass. Given the limited time that we had to rebuild the military during the first Bush term I am amazed at how well our forces have performed, it is a true testament to the spirit and professionalism of our Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines.

As for a response to the war being immoral and non military courses of action, my response is this: When I and my friends went out in Kuwait City we had numerous people come up to us and thank us for protecting them, I made close friends with some of our Kuwaiti counterparts who were POW's during the Gulf War and they begged us to get rid of him before he was able to aquire nuclear arms. These men told us of how the country was looted, women raped and killed, men killed for no reason, Saddam is a despot and I hope the Iraqi courts sentence him to die so he can take his place in Hell with Satan. WMD's-1993 Northern Iraq- 50,000 Kurds gassed...what more proof do you need? As for non military courses of action 13 years of sanctions obviously didn't work....Oil for Food anyone? It seems interesting to me that the countries opposing the war (Russia, France) were the ones making millions illegally in this scam.

I don't have to tell you where I stand I think that is obvious, everyone is entitled to their opinion and if you are against the war or POTUS then that is you right as a citizen (or non-citizen) to dissent. However never forget that those brave men and women who are in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other countries that you probably have never heard of are fighting and dying to give you that right.

As much as I would love to continue debating politics with you all , I am going to make dinner for my wife and daughter so keep it civil....we may disagree with each other but we alll still like to ride our bikes.

Coredump hope your brother is well....sorry that you feel the way that you do.

First let me say I wish your brother a safe return home.  I find it very interesting that I keep meeting folks who have served in Iraq recently who are very much against this war.  My neighbor has just returned from nearly 2 years there, where he held his best friend's head in his lap as he died, where he shrunk 2 inches from the weight of his armor, where he was exposed to countless chemicals and other dangerous substances. 

It's heartbreaking to listen to him talk about how we were misled into this war and how so many lives, American, British, Iraqi, etc. have been sacrificed.

Perhaps it's just a sign of where I live, but you see many cars with "Support Our Troops" stickers next to "Impeach W" stickers.

Also, I don't believe Clinton gutted our military as badly as many neo-cons would have us believe.  He continued what both Reagan and Bush 1 started before him.  I'd like to see supportable facts regarding his military-destruction before I'll agree to that one.

And further, it helps no one's argument to resort to pejoratives and nicknames like "Slick Willy" or whatever is the favored term for George W. in certain circles.