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2013-01-11 9:03 AM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2013-01-09 8:36 AM I was a huge, unapologetic supporter of his for many years. I find myself still automatically making excuses for him in my head. Like, about the $250,000 “contribution” he offered to USADA a few years ago, my head immediately went to, “Well, it was before they started investigating him, so, you know it could be legit…” I don’t care what he says to Oprah or does at this point. It doesn’t matter to me if he comes clean or doesn’t, or races or doesn’t, or wins Kona or doesn’t. I just don’t care. I’ve wasted enough energy on him.

That's exactly how I feel about the whole thing. I also think it's too soon for him to be doing anything. I wish, for his sake, that he'd just go away for a while. I, for one, as a huge HUGE supporter of his, feel... betrayed.

When my Dad passed away, we had donations made to LAF in his memory. I'm so glad my poor dad isn't alive to see this. I wore a yellow Livestrong band for (honestly!) 7 years straight. 2004-2011.

So, yeah, I don't care what he does. Whatever.

And I won't watch.

I used to believe in Lance, or at least I wanted to believe in him.  His comeback from cancer was an inpiration for me when I was recovering from my open heart surgery and helped motivate me to resume an active life again.

My father died from renal cell cancer in June 2004 after suffering horribly for eight months.   I started wearing my LiveStrong bracelet just before my father died and even bought a couple bags of them to pass out at his memorial service.  When my father-in-law died two years later from pancreatic cancer it reinforced my conviction to support LiveStrong. 

As the story has emerged over the past months, I still wanted to keep believing on an emotional level, but my rational side increasingly couldn't ignore the facts.  I also felt betrayed.

I've considered taking off my bracelet.  The thing that keeps me wearing it is I keep telling myself that I really never wore it for Lance, I wore it for my Dad, my father-in-law, and others who have suffered fron cancer...and for myself.

I still think that Lance can find redemption as a human being, but he has to be completely honest, show true remorse, not temper his position due to potential financial considerations and be willing to accept whatever consequences that the truth brings.

I guess we'll see if he is willing to do that.

Mark

 

 

LIVESTRONG was never about Lance.  People shouldn't have worn those bracelets, or bought the clothes because they were Lance fans.  It's an excellent organization that should be lauded despite what the former chairman may or may not have done - the work they do is important, and needed.  I raise money for them every year doing various running/cycling events.  This year, I'm doing the NYC Triathlon, and have elected to try to raise money for them (see sig ).  

What he did might be depolorable, but doesn't really change much IMO.  He's still an incredible athlete, and still won those tours, albeit by beating the other cheaters.  Still a good man, even if he let his aspirations cloud his judgement.



2013-01-11 9:10 AM
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VGT - 2013-01-11 10:03 AM

What he did might be depolorable, but doesn't really change much IMO.  He's still an incredible athlete, and still won those tours, albeit by beating the other cheaters.  Still a good man, even if he let his aspirations cloud his judgement.

Well, that's one way to look at it.

 

 

2013-01-11 10:16 AM
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I have some swamp land in Florida that I'll happily sell to anyone who believes Lance's ban will be removed.  He's done IMO.

As to choosing Oprah - big audience, and I expect that it will be kid gloves all the way during the interview giving him ample opportunity to respond with his carefully crafted answers, without much fear of tough follow-up questions.

 

2013-01-11 10:54 AM
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Goosedog - 2013-01-11 10:10 AM
VGT - 2013-01-11 10:03 AM

What he did might be depolorable, but doesn't really change much IMO.  He's still an incredible athlete, and still won those tours, albeit by beating the other cheaters.  Still a good man, even if he let his aspirations cloud his judgement.

Well, that's one way to look at it.

 

 

 

Yep, looking at the bolded statements and ignoring the surrounding context is a fabulous way to look at it.

2013-01-11 11:04 AM
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VGT - 2013-01-11 10:54 AM
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VGT - 2013-01-11 10:03 AM

What he did might be depolorable, but doesn't really change much IMO.  He's still an incredible athlete, and still won those tours, albeit by beating the other cheaters.  Still a good man, even if he let his aspirations cloud his judgement.

Well, that's one way to look at it.

 

 

 

Yep, looking at the bolded statements and ignoring the surrounding context is a fabulous way to look at it.

Another way to look at it would be to say he is a complete piece of garbage who used his propped up status from Livestrong to bully, threaten, and ruin people.  Luck Fance.

2013-01-11 11:22 AM
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You think they will let in Lance haters into the Audience......now that would really make for good tv...


2013-01-11 11:26 AM
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Jorgito22 - 2013-01-11 9:22 AM You think they will let in Lance haters into the Audience......now that would really make for good tv...

Springer could probably find a few more of Lance's baby mamas to make a good show out of it

2013-01-11 12:38 PM
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Left Brain - 2013-01-11 12:04 PM
VGT - 2013-01-11 10:54 AM
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VGT - 2013-01-11 10:03 AM

What he did might be depolorable, but doesn't really change much IMO.  He's still an incredible athlete, and still won those tours, albeit by beating the other cheaters.  Still a good man, even if he let his aspirations cloud his judgement.

Well, that's one way to look at it.

 

 

 

Yep, looking at the bolded statements and ignoring the surrounding context is a fabulous way to look at it.

Another way to look at it would be to say he is a complete piece of garbage who used his propped up status from Livestrong to bully, threaten, and ruin people.  Luck Fance.

*yawn*

2013-01-11 12:53 PM
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Left Brain - 2013-01-11 12:04 PM
VGT - 2013-01-11 10:54 AM
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VGT - 2013-01-11 10:03 AM

What he did might be depolorable, but doesn't really change much IMO.  He's still an incredible athlete, and still won those tours, albeit by beating the other cheaters.  Still a good man, even if he let his aspirations cloud his judgement.

Well, that's one way to look at it.

 

 

 

Yep, looking at the bolded statements and ignoring the surrounding context is a fabulous way to look at it.

Another way to look at it would be to say he is a complete piece of garbage who used his propped up status from Livestrong to bully, threaten, and ruin people.  Luck Fance.

You can't separate Lance from Livestrong.  To do so is just naive.  Sure, Livestrong has done some good things.  But it makes me think about Bernie Madoff and how everyone thought he was such a great guy for giving millions to charity, only to learn that it was money that he got from robbing his clients blind.   Lance always knew how to manipulate his image and that the best defense was a good offense.  How many of the millions he made in endorsements came as a result of the do-gooder image from his association with LiveStrong?   

My Christian faith teaches me that no person is beyond redemption or forgiveness, but the ball is in his court at this point.

Mark

2013-01-11 1:01 PM
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Well, Livestrong helped me more than any other organization when I was fighting cancer.  I used to be a HUGE Lance fan.  I'm just really disappointed, but I will still support Livestrong, and with regards to Lance?  I'm pretty ambivalent.  I don't care enough to be a fan OR hate the guy anymore.

To be honest, there is so much cheating/drugs/dishonesty is ALL of sport these days to be offended anymore.  I used to HATE Bonds/Clemens/Sosa/Mcguire.  Or anti Pete Rose because they seemed like rare cases.  Now?  I have to accept that's what was happening at the time.  I'm glad all sports are TRYING to get clean - it needs to, but I'm tired of hate'n on cheaters since it was so prevalent.  It's a disappointing  reality but not worth getting outraged and offended anymore - otherwise I would have SO much anger, it would be unhealthy.

2013-01-13 3:27 AM
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Yahoo Sport Germany is reporting today that LA will give in and will confess completely to doping ...
according to "close friends" ... he will confess without mentioning any details

 

http://de.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/radsport-medien-armstrong-gesteht-ohne-details-nennen-094131512.html

 

 

 



2013-01-13 8:17 AM
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I used to be a huge LA fan. I thought he represented many good characteristics of Americans, including establishing LIVESTRONG. From dozens of stories I have read, that organization has helped so many people battling cancer. For me, this doesn't change anything.  It doesn't matter if others around him cheated, or if time has elapsed since his Tour wins. He lied and cheated to gain an advantage over his rivals. He used that fame to establish an organization that represented "winning" right down to the yellow bracelets. I wore one for years. It represented what I thought was his commitment to training, desire to win and his ethics. The marketing of LIVESTRONG was essentially based on this. People donated to his organization and wanted a "piece of him" because he was a winner. He won seven Tours, beat cancer, defied all the odds. All of this is based upon lies. Lies, corrosion, intimidation, etc. I can no longer support him or his future athletic endeavors.  I do hope LIVESTRONG continues to support cancer patients and their families. I hope people support LIVESTRONG. Perhaps that will be his only redeeming legacy. I will likely watch the Oprah interview; but will probably be saddened by what I see and hear. 
2013-01-14 5:45 PM
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I'm a bit confused.  On ESPN today, they keep mentioning that Lance will be talking to Oprah today (and already addressed the staff of LiveStrong) but I checked my DirecTV listing and the Oprah/Lance interview is showing on Thursday. 

I'm assuming they are taping today and will show it Thursday?  Edited perhaps?  Not sure.

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Kido - 2013-01-15 10:45 AM

I'm a bit confused.  On ESPN today, they keep mentioning that Lance will be talking to Oprah today (and already addressed the staff of LiveStrong) but I checked my DirecTV listing and the Oprah/Lance interview is showing on Thursday. 

I'm assuming they are taping today and will show it Thursday?  Edited perhaps?  Not sure.

Recording Monday at Lance's place - not at Oprah's.  His terms....

2013-01-14 6:17 PM
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He will always have the comfort in knowing he was the best.......at using PEDs and never getting caught.

2013-01-14 6:18 PM
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Rogillio - 2013-01-15 11:17 AM He will always have the comfort in knowing he was the best.......at using PEDs and never getting caught.

...at getting caught and getting away with it....



2013-01-14 6:33 PM
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Maybe I'm missing something.  But he WAS caught and did NOT get away with it. 

Or does he still have his 7 TdF wins and I was just dreaming they were stripped from him as well as being banned from cycling?

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Rogillio - 2013-01-15 11:17 AM He will always have the comfort in knowing he was the best.......at using PEDs and never getting caught.

...at getting caught and getting away with it....



...after 7 glorious years of being king of the world!
2013-01-14 8:23 PM
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Kido - 2013-01-15 10:45 AM

I'm a bit confused.  On ESPN today, they keep mentioning that Lance will be talking to Oprah today (and already addressed the staff of LiveStrong) but I checked my DirecTV listing and the Oprah/Lance interview is showing on Thursday. 

I'm assuming they are taping today and will show it Thursday?  Edited perhaps?  Not sure.

Recording Monday at Lance's place - not at Oprah's.  His terms....



Is that different from her usual interviews? She doens't have her daily show anymore, so I don't know if she has a "place". Barbara Walters' interviews, which is sort of what I envision this being similar to, are always held at the subjects house. Probably makes them more at ease to be somewhere familiar.

Anyway, your implication seems to be that he's trying to control the terms of the interview, so I was wondering if you knew for sure that it was unusual that she was interviewing him at his place, not hers.
2013-01-14 8:42 PM
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So done with him... he should have done it when he knew George testified. He should have done it when charges were brought. Instead he throws a little tantrum and blames everyone except him self for all their vendettas. And now he is going to do it on Oprah... WTF? No respect. Hell of a bike rider, but no respect for the person.... and no.. LiveStrong does not count for crap when you make it your lifes mission to destroy anyone that gets in your way that speaks the truth.

Luck Fance.

2013-01-14 9:07 PM
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I'd rather know what the REAL CROOKS in Washington DC are up to.  Doping, who cares, our country is in trouble.


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SWIM2LIVE - 2013-01-14 10:07 PM I'd rather know what the REAL CROOKS in Washington DC are up to.  Doping, who cares, our country is in trouble.

I agree. Someone uses PEDs just to have a chance in his sport and they follow him around and continue to bring up cases on him. However, millions of dollars are stolen from the American people with no sign of where it's going and nobody is held accountable?

2013-01-14 9:26 PM
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I'm sorry, for me it would be too little, too late.

What would I like to see:  Confesses everything, admits that he's destroyed some peoples lives and careers with his years of lies and deceptions, races again, gets to Kona, gets his arse beaten badly, retires, and finally stays retired.  

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SWIM2LIVE - 2013-01-14 10:07 PM I'd rather know what the REAL CROOKS in Washington DC are up to.  Doping, who cares, our country is in trouble.

I agree. Someone uses PEDs just to have a chance in his sport and they follow him around and continue to bring up cases on him. However, millions of dollars are stolen from the American people with no sign of where it's going and nobody is held accountable?

UH hello... the Federal investigation was now indeed true and he defrauded tax payers sponsor money on U.S. Postal.I personally would not have a problem with them filing charges. Yes... even with all the other crap going on in this country.

But ya, since there are "real" crooks in Washington... everyone else just gets a free pass. Hell, let Madoff out.

2013-01-15 1:29 AM
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AP says he admited to doping. I guess we'll see what was said when it airs....
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