Fred D Mentor Group Part III (Page 42)

Great job Andy!!!

ChrisM - 2012-10-23 10:03 PM

gsmacleod - 2012-10-23 5:48 PM

Fred D - 2012-10-23 9:30 PMIt's wrong to compete on the stuff and I will keep saying it again and again. I know your thoughts on doping Shane and I know you agree with me, but I see it partially as my job to keep at this stuff.

It's definitely something that is very important to me and I get frustrated when athletes don't realize the importance of anti-doping policies. Just saw this on ST -makes me sad.Shane

Although I am not naive enough to believe that AGers don't dope to an extent, I have to believe that the hotel management is referring to saline drips (or thinks they are). No hotel tha wants to keep its occupancy certificate would knowingly allow blood bags to be transported in. It's a potentially infectious bodily fluid. And I hear self administered post race saline drips are, if not common, certainly not unknown

I really hope this is the case as well.  Really, really hope....  

Funny you mention swimming. I started swimming right after running, and loved it. i won my ymca lap swim challenge the month after I finally could swim a mile. I went all the time. But my time is still beyond bad, and I lost no weight. I am the walking textbook case of diet being 90% of weight loss. Whe I swam, I fell into the typical higher hunger sensations, and ate even more. My first year in endurance training, I ended up at the same weight by the end. For a guy this big, that's really crazy. It wasn't until this year that I got serus about the food, and for the first half of the year, did great. I fell off the wagon in late July. I know what I have to do, it's no hidden secret.

As for the career change, I would still be doing what I do, but within an institution that requires physical fitness standards. It is something I have considered on and off for years, but at 365 pounds, it wasn't even in the real of possibility. I'm still far away, but within reach if I get serious now. OK, enough cryptic stuff. This is a closed group, and no one that can't know this has access. I am considering application to become a chaplain in the US Navy.

I was in the pool with the swim team kids at 5:45 this morning.  My wife made me go, I was looking for any excuse not to!  Of course everything she kept saying made sense, grrr!  

I noticed something this morning swimming with the kids. (I call them kids, even though some are in University, does that make me old?)  I can hold my own with the free sets, I lag a little bit on the non-free stuff but not too badly but they destroy me on the kick sets!

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3850 meters

2x200 swim 
8x50 kick with fins, 1. ez, 2. fast on 1:00 
2x200 swim w/ paddles and fins on 3:00 - quick pace - ~2:10 
4x100 - 25 kick, 50 free, 25 kick 
MS: 2x ( 
8x75 - 1. 75 stroke (not free), 2. 50 stroke/25 free, 3. 25 stroke/50 free, 4. 75 free 
4x125 - 1. 25 stroke fast/100 free, 2. 50 stroke/25 free fast/50 free, 3. 50 stroke/25 stroke fast/50 free, 4. 100 stroke/25 free fast 
) 
First time through the 75s were on 1:20 and 125s on 2:40 then the lane I was in was closed for the aqua joggers so I was bumped to a faster lane doing 1:15 and 2:30 
50 ez CD 

If there is one, get into the hot tub for 10 mins after you swim.  It is remarkably effective (at least for me and others I have suggested it to) at curbing the massive hunger cravings after a swim.

Isn't that the truth - last night while swimming during swim team practice - they smoked me on the kick sets. I did notice that it tends (for the girls) to be a social time when they can chat and for the boys to be a competition (all while motoring across the pool).

I typically don't swim anything other than free (I'm afraid of hitting people I may be sharing a lane with while doing back, breast stroke tweaks my knee and I don't know how to do butterfly)...should I explore doing different strokes? In my mind - I won't be doing butterfly during a race (at least I hope not), so I don't train it.

And Andy - Whoot woot! Fantastic job. The thing for me about watching what I eat is I know how to eat well, I just need to keep eating well. I definitely slack off sometimes (vacation would be a prime example), but it really does come down to quality and quantity of food. Putting weight training/yoga into the mix will only help.

Thanks for this....answered my question before I asked it ;

This is a good place for me to start, and then adjust (likely slower) as necessary. Now, if I can just remained focused enough to leave on anything other than the top or bottom of the clock....

That's awesome.

I think learning the other strokes is worthwhile to a point, depending on your current skill level.  I wouldn't spend a ton of time on it but it at least gives you options for mixing things up during a swim.  Butterfly is a tough one - if you don't have the technique and timing right, it can be really bad and ugly but if you can do it, it's a beautiful stroke and a great challenge to mix in a set.

Simply that your body may need a bit of a break.  Now seems like a great time to rest a little more, what's difficult is forcing ourselves to do that when the normal schedule has us constantly fitting in workouts.  If you dial things back a bit for a couple of weeks you'll likely feel guilty, but the body should recharge a bit, especially if you're fighting something.

I also think if you scale back the on the riding just a touch, to compensate for the run frequency, you'll feel better.  Just my thoughts.

axteraa - 2012-10-24 7:02 AM

ChrisM - 2012-10-23 10:03 PM

gsmacleod - 2012-10-23 5:48 PM

Fred D - 2012-10-23 9:30 PMIt's wrong to compete on the stuff and I will keep saying it again and again. I know your thoughts on doping Shane and I know you agree with me, but I see it partially as my job to keep at this stuff.

It's definitely something that is very important to me and I get frustrated when athletes don't realize the importance of anti-doping policies. Just saw this on ST -makes me sad.Shane

Although I am not naive enough to believe that AGers don't dope to an extent, I have to believe that the hotel management is referring to saline drips (or thinks they are). No hotel tha wants to keep its occupancy certificate would knowingly allow blood bags to be transported in. It's a potentially infectious bodily fluid. And I hear self administered post race saline drips are, if not common, certainly not unknown

I really hope this is the case as well.  Really, really hope....  

I thought someone photoshopped that as a joke.  I didn't think it was real...

Training gurus, please help if you can:

Typically, I will set a planned training schedule as my ideal, adjusting (or dropping) workouts as necessary due to other commitments or priorities. It usually looks like:

Monday: AM bike (trainer), PM long run

Tuesday: AM bike (trainer), PM short run

Wednesday:  AM swim, AM medium run

Thursday: AM bike (trainer), PM short run

Friday: AM swim, AM medium run

Saturday: AM long outdoor bike followed by short run

Sunday: Off

When life dictates a deviation from the ideal plan, swims are usually the first to go, then bikes, and I really try not to miss a run, even if it is shorter than planned due to time. During this year, I think I only hit that ideal plan once, cut came close a few times. Based on planned races, time/mileage/intensity will increase or decrease accordingly. For instance, this winter will be a heavy run focus, with what I'll call maintenance workouts on the swim and bike.

The weekday bikes (and now swims) are the intensity portions, and the runs are BarryP style, with the medium runs at tempo.

So, how flawed is this overall approach?

I would agree. I took a quick peak at your logs and you do not seem to be doing a crazy amount more than your average. I basically took your year, divided by 10months and it's in line with your month of Ocrober

HOWEVER....you have been doing this for many months now. You may have some accumulated fatigue in you that you need to address. 

Personally, I would back off the bike if you continue your run frequency. Last year I started my high frequency much later (mid December) because I knew my cycling volume would drop with the trainer

I suspect you are chasing the few nice outdoor rides and trying to do the run frequency and working like a nut and have accumulated fatigue in your body. You sound like a candidate for an anti-aging clinic :-)

For better or worse, I use this plan all year (minus a week or so following a race) - 6 runs per week, 4 bikes per week and 2 swims per week - except when getting within +/- 6 weeks of a race. Then I will generally drop a bike and add a swim. But I do like the idea of keeping the bike and dropping a run instead. 

Following a period of run focus and a period of bike focus, perhaps drop one of each from the schedule so that I can move to 4 swims per week instead of 2??

During the year, I will keep the same format, but change the duration/intensity/mileage depending upon whether it is a run focus or a bike focus.

That sequence would be tough for me, assuming the trainer rides include hard intervals.  I would try to work in the PM long run after or before an AM swim.  I am not a training guru.

Me too, that second trainer ride would be rough for me.