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2013-04-30 10:04 PM
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I am left handed and left eye dominate.  That doesn't mean I can't shoot right handed.  I can and do so very well.    At one time it was a survival skill.   I imagine it still is.     If one is shooting targets or varmints time can be taken at leisure.   Combat situations are a different story.       

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2013-04-30 10:11 PM
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^^ true dat.

I'm not a good shot with my left with a rifle. But I can shoot and hit something.

With a pistol I'm actually a little better at long distances.
2013-05-01 12:01 AM
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MadMathemagician - 2013-04-30 10:04 PM

I am left handed and left eye dominate.  That doesn't mean I can't shoot right handed.  I can and do so very well.    At one time it was a survival skill.   I imagine it still is.     If one is shooting targets or varmints time can be taken at leisure.   Combat situations are a different story.       

Just sayin'....    Cool

That's great.....but being left-handed, left eye dominate, and shooting offhanded is NOT the same as being cross eye dominate.....no matter what you are just saying. Like I said earlier, you should be shooting a pistol with both eyes open anyway.If you want to experience it, put a patch over your left eye and shoot a rifle from the prone position, left handed...a true prone position, no bag rest or any other crutch.

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2013-05-01 4:54 AM
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Left Brain - 2013-05-01 12:01 AM
MadMathemagician - 2013-04-30 10:04 PM

I am left handed and left eye dominate.  That doesn't mean I can't shoot right handed.  I can and do so very well.    At one time it was a survival skill.   I imagine it still is.     If one is shooting targets or varmints time can be taken at leisure.   Combat situations are a different story.       

Just sayin'....    Cool

That's great.....but being left-handed, left eye dominate, and shooting offhanded is NOT the same as being cross eye dominate.....no matter what you are just saying. Like I said earlier, you should be shooting a pistol with both eyes open anyway.If you want to experience it, put a patch over your left eye and shoot a rifle from the prone position, left handed...a true prone position, no bag rest or any other crutch.

As I have said, at the range or in a tree stand it doesn't matter.  But on a battle field it is natural selection at work.   Darwinism is a real phenomena.

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2013-05-01 8:23 AM
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Left Brain - 2013-04-30 1:31 PM
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I'm left eye dominant and right handed as well.  A handgun is not the same big issue that a rifle is....you just have to get used to moving the gun a bit further to the left.......he should be shooting with both eyes open anyway so he'll automatically want to find the spot in front of his face where the left eye takes over.

I takes a bit of practice, like anything, but I won alot of shooting competitions as a young man being cross eye dominant.  Not a big deal to overcome.

That's what I've been thinking.

He's completely comfortable with shotgun, rifle, and archery shooting left handed. (He just moved up from .410 to a 20 gauge this weekend.  The .410 was his squirrel gun.  Now that he can handle the 20 gauge I'll take him out to the trap clinic our club has each week)

He hasn't shot much revolver yet, a .22,  and no pistol other than some airsoft.  He wants to naturally grip them right handed.

My youngest guy also seems to be left eye dominant. (I've done one of the the eye dominance test with him a number of times but haven't been 100% sure) He's too young in my opinion to be on a shotgun, but he's shooting a .22 rifle. Every time out so far, I had him on it right handed and he seems uncomfortable.  Had him just hold it left handed on a bench at home and he seems much more comfortable.  I could also see at the archery range a couple weeks ago that he was using his left eye to aim his right handed recurve.

I'm no expert by any means. So if it's best in any way for both of them to shoot everything left handed, that's what I'll have them do.  

Grip is VERY important in pistol shooting....arguably the most important.  If he wants to naturally grip right handed I would let him......much easier to get over the left eye dominance thing than to try to get muscle memory for a left handed grip if you are doing everything else in life with a right handed grip.

That's kind of my thought too.  I'd even go one step further to say that trigger control is even more important than grip.  Trigger control gets the first shot on target and grip is for the follow up shots.  Both very important though. 

For a kid, grip is the base...it just is.  After you learn to shoot then trigger control overtakes grip...in fact, we drill by pulling the trigger WITHOUT any grip at all....just use pressure on the trigger to hold the gun in the crook of your hand and pull backward....no grip needed. Laughing  It's the best trigger control drill I know.

Yeah, I agree for kids or newbies it's certainly better to train a proper grip.  I guess I was just trying to say you can still shoot an accurate shot without a proper grip, but why learn the wrong way if you can help it. 

What's funny is I was taught the "tea cup" grip in the Navy and shot very well that way for many years.  However a couple years ago when I took my CCW class the instructor made fun of my "tea cup" grip and suggested I try the thumbs forward grip.  I started practicing with it and it made a huge difference as far as control on follow up shots.  I was no more or less accurate on my initial shot, but the follow up shots are much easier and more accurate.  It's also a lot more stable with my XDs which likes a strong grip.

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MadMathemagician - 2013-05-01 4:54 AM
Left Brain - 2013-05-01 12:01 AM
MadMathemagician - 2013-04-30 10:04 PM

I am left handed and left eye dominate.  That doesn't mean I can't shoot right handed.  I can and do so very well.    At one time it was a survival skill.   I imagine it still is.     If one is shooting targets or varmints time can be taken at leisure.   Combat situations are a different story.       

Just sayin'....    Cool

That's great.....but being left-handed, left eye dominate, and shooting offhanded is NOT the same as being cross eye dominate.....no matter what you are just saying. Like I said earlier, you should be shooting a pistol with both eyes open anyway.If you want to experience it, put a patch over your left eye and shoot a rifle from the prone position, left handed...a true prone position, no bag rest or any other crutch.

As I have said, at the range or in a tree stand it doesn't matter.  But on a battle field it is natural selection at work.   Darwinism is a real phenomena.

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So is muscle memory....and when it comes to shooting, under any conditions, muscle memory will kick Darwins arse. 

Darwin apparently didn't know about practice.



2013-05-02 12:30 PM
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SAF wins permanent injunction v. public housing gun ban in IL
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/54916

The Public Housing Authority can no longer ban firearms by residents or guests.

2013-05-02 12:31 PM
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Whitehouse.gov petition asks Obama to repeal second amendment
http://www.stableytimes.com/news/whitehouse-gov-petition-asks-obama...

Finally, at least someone's being honest about it.

2013-05-02 3:54 PM
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OK, I've seen dumb things before but this has to be towards the top of the pile.

Teachers Shocked, Frightened After School Holds Unplanned Shooting Drill

I'm thinking it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that if you have multiple people burst into a room full of unarmed educators that most, if not all of them will die.  So, I'm not sure what their point was.
2013-05-02 3:59 PM
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tuwood - 2013-05-02 2:54 PM

OK, I've seen dumb things before but this has to be towards the top of the pile.

Teachers Shocked, Frightened After School Holds Unplanned Shooting Drill

I'm thinking it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that if you have multiple people burst into a room full of unarmed educators that most, if not all of them will die.  So, I'm not sure what their point was.

Wow, completely stupid. I would be pissed.

2013-05-02 4:01 PM
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DanielG - 2013-05-02 11:31 AM Whitehouse.gov petition asks Obama to repeal second amendment http://www.stableytimes.com/news/whitehouse-gov-petition-asks-obama... Finally, at least someone's being honest about it.

Right... repealing the amendment that states the RTBA shall not be infringed... would in no way take away the RTBA. Simply amazing.Undecided



2013-05-02 4:21 PM
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tuwood - 2013-05-02 2:54 PM

OK, I've seen dumb things before but this has to be towards the top of the pile.

Teachers Shocked, Frightened After School Holds Unplanned Shooting Drill

I'm thinking it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that if you have multiple people burst into a room full of unarmed educators that most, if not all of them will die.  So, I'm not sure what their point was.

Dang, they are lucky one of the "gunmen" didn't catch a chair to the face! Even after I knew what was going on I might still be inclined to start swinging.

2013-05-02 4:44 PM
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Aarondb4 - 2013-05-02 4:21 PM
tuwood - 2013-05-02 2:54 PM

OK, I've seen dumb things before but this has to be towards the top of the pile.

Teachers Shocked, Frightened After School Holds Unplanned Shooting Drill

I'm thinking it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that if you have multiple people burst into a room full of unarmed educators that most, if not all of them will die.  So, I'm not sure what their point was.

Dang, they are lucky one of the "gunmen" didn't catch a chair to the face! Even after I knew what was going on I might still be inclined to start swinging.

Maybe in this one case I'll go out on a limb and say it was good that none of the teachers had a CCW.    You might be shooting blanks, but I'm not...

On a somewhat related note, I have seen several pranks on youtube where people are pretending to be murdering somebody or assaulting somebody to film the reaction of people walking by.  They need to be really careful because a lawful citizen who walks up on a murder in progress has every legal right to use deadly force. Even if it's a prank.

Here's an example: Elevator Murder Experiment

 

 

2013-05-02 4:51 PM
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Believe it or not, a couple of friends and I did this very thing, but with authentic looking water guns during finals week (and ski masks).  Never heard a word about it.

This was back on 87.  Boy, things have changed.

And I agree above.  On a couple of occasions, I have lashed out/punched someone when they scared me - purely defensive.  In this climate, if that happened, I may have rushed and smashed they guy before I realized what I was doing.

Seems like an extraordinarily bad idea to me.  You may even have a case for a law suit for causing emotional distress in this law suit crazy world.  say you are getting anxiety attacks and can't sleep because of this?  BAM, get paid.

2013-05-02 6:34 PM
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Kido - 2013-05-02 3:51 PM

Believe it or not, a couple of friends and I did this very thing, but with authentic looking water guns during finals week (and ski masks).  Never heard a word about it.

This was back on 87.  Boy, things have changed.

And I agree above.  On a couple of occasions, I have lashed out/punched someone when they scared me - purely defensive.  In this climate, if that happened, I may have rushed and smashed they guy before I realized what I was doing.

Seems like an extraordinarily bad idea to me.  You may even have a case for a law suit for causing emotional distress in this law suit crazy world.  say you are getting anxiety attacks and can't sleep because of this?  BAM, get paid.

Ya, like was said not cool at all.  I would be pissed.

And ya, what was it supposed to acomplish??? I mean if they were in a meeting, and they said someone was spotted out side, what would you do, or they are entering, scram, or some sort of thing like that.... To see what their reactions would be and what avenues they would take.... But just barging into a meeting and start shooting.... WTF!!!

Just what was that suppose to do?

2013-05-03 6:05 AM
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powerman - 2013-04-30 6:07 PM

The ATF, needs a director. I do not know who that should be.

Laws either need to be enforced, or removed from the books. If we do not have the resources to enforce them, then either get them, or get rid of the law.

If we do not enforce the current laws, but want them in place for special cases, then I can't see how enacting more laws, are going to do anything. If the laws are not going to solve the problem they are enacted for, then they are bad laws and should not be enacted.

It's not complicated.



It would be nice if they actually followed guidelines for punishments for violating gun laws as well:

Man who sold ATF agents their own stolen gun gets 18 months
http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/man-who-sold-atf-a...

Stadtmueller reopened the court after about 15 minutes and handled the down the sentence, which was less than the federal sentencing guidelines of 24 to 30 months


Guy's probably going to be out somewhere near a year.



2013-05-03 2:31 PM
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So I just got my order in on a Serbu Firearms BFG 50.  Cool  I won't get it for a few months but I've wanted a 50 for a while.  I have fired 50's before and my buddy has a Barret but the Serbu is supposed to have some better accuracy.

 

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So I just got my order in on a Serbu Firearms BFG 50Cool  I won't get it for a few months but I've wanted a 50 for a while.  I have fired 50's before and my buddy has a Barret but the Serbu is supposed to have some better accuracy.

 

That's a Big Friggen Gun!

2013-05-03 2:43 PM
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Pector55 - 2013-05-03 2:31 PM

So I just got my order in on a Serbu Firearms BFG 50.  Cool  I won't get it for a few months but I've wanted a 50 for a while.  I have fired 50's before and my buddy has a Barret but the Serbu is supposed to have some better accuracy.

 

Who are you planning to go to war with?  Cool    Toted a Barrett 50 for a while.  That weapon was so damned heavy.   Much prefer the M40A series.

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MadMathemagician - 2013-05-03 3:43 PM
Pector55 - 2013-05-03 2:31 PM

So I just got my order in on a Serbu Firearms BFG 50.  I won't get it for a few months but I've wanted a 50 for a while.  I have fired 50's before and my buddy has a Barret but the Serbu is supposed to have some better accuracy.

 

Who are you planning to go to war with?  Cool    Toted a Barrett 50 for a while.  That weapon was so damned heavy.   Much prefer the M40A series.

Well, since I get the "why does anyone need..." about my AR's or my mags over 10rds, I figure I would just go with a single shot rifle to be less offensive. 

My buddy has the M95 and it is about 7-8lbs lighter than the semi-auto version of the Barrett used by the military.  Once I get my Serbu we will have an accuracy showdown just for fun.  I'm with you that I would rather carry an R700 / M40A3.  The M40A5's were after my day but deer fear my Savage 300 Win Mag with Rifle Basix trigger.  They will hate it even more once my suppressor arrives... they won't hear it but they will hate it.

2013-05-03 4:28 PM
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Pector55 - 2013-05-03 3:31 PM

So I just got my order in on a Serbu Firearms BFG 50.  Cool  I won't get it for a few months but I've wanted a 50 for a while.  I have fired 50's before and my buddy has a Barret but the Serbu is supposed to have some better accuracy.

 



Jim's Pawn Shop in Fayetteville, NC, has an indoor range in it. Well, in all honesty the "pawn" part of it is about 1/5th of the store and the rest is gun shop, shooting range, archery range, etc. They always claimed the left side is up to .50 BMG and right side is up to something like .460 Weatherby.

My buddy was visiting and I borrowed his rifle and brought it to Jim's. They always run a magnet over your ammo to make sure it's not steel core and when they asked what I was shooting I told them "One round" and brought out the single .50 BMG.

They made me wait until the left side was done and no one in there.

Ear plugs, ear muffs.

OH MY GOD.

Brass that has been caught up in the sound proofing above the lane comes raining down on my head. Apparently all the other lanes too. They said the glass outside the left side actually moved.

Suffice to say, shoot the thing outside when you get it. I think my ears are still ringing and that was 15 years ago.



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DanielG - 2013-05-03 5:28 PM

 

Jim's Pawn Shop in Fayetteville, NC, has an indoor range in it.

Went shooting there recently.  Reinforced my feeling (echoed by someone else here earlier in the thread) of not liking being crammed in a little room with a bunch of people that I don't know with weapons they may be handling for the first time.

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DanielG - 2013-05-03 5:28 PM

 

Jim's Pawn Shop in Fayetteville, NC, has an indoor range in it.

Went shooting there recently.  Reinforced my feeling (echoed by someone else here earlier in the thread) of not liking being crammed in a little room with a bunch of people that I don't know with weapons they may be handling for the first time.



They had literally dozens of crates of Chinese SKSs for $80/ea in 1992 when I was there. STILL kicking myself for not skipping a mortgage payment and buying a case or two.

2013-05-03 7:33 PM
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This could really go in the inspiring videos thread, but I figured I'd put it here just in case... Brings back memories...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=2G551KpNnA0

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GomesBolt - 2013-05-03 7:33 PM This could really go in the inspiring videos thread, but I figured I'd put it here just in case... Brings back memories...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=2G551KpNnA0

Love that movie 

My favorite bootcamp (Navy) memory was from a guy in the next rack over from me.  He was a big marshmallow similar to Private Pyle.  The Company Commander (Navy Drill Instructor) was in his face screaming something fierce because his shirt was all untucked and he looked like crap.  He started sniffing and tears were rolling down his face with the trembling chin.  The CC stopped yelling and took a step back and said the following.
"I'm so sorry, I wasn't trying to make you cry, I'm just so sorry, man I feel really bad right now"  The recruit starts to look up and just as his sniffles started to stop the CC screams at the top of his lungs "I'M OVER IT" and proceeds to tear into him like I've never seen in my life.  OMG, it was so dam funny and it was dam hard not to laugh.

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