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2011-08-28 8:37 PM
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dmmdds - 2011-08-28 8:55 PM By the way the avitar to the left is from my 1st IM there in 09 so Louisville will always have a special place in my heart.

Ditto.  09 IMKY was awesome!  Sounds like it was pretty nice out there this year too.  Hoping we get something similar in a couple weeks.

2011-08-29 7:29 AM
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Fred Doucette - 2011-08-25 7:08 AM

I'm still trying to grasp the hills on the run course. The athlete guide 'run profile' makes them look like epic mount Everest climbs but I suspect they aren't that bad.

Any vets or locals have more comments on the hills for the run??



I am not a local - but have been on the course several times this year. My opinion is that the hill on Observitory is significant. I am planning to walk up it. Because it is a two loop course you run it twice.
2011-08-29 7:49 AM
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brigby1 - 2011-08-27 7:18 PM

Fred Doucette - 2011-08-27 1:47 PM

amyjotris - 2011-08-27 2:38 PM Had a fantastic 4 hour ride out on the course today.  Lots of riders doing the course backwards! Perfect weather too.

Can I ask what the condition of the roads is like these days? thanks.

I'm not racing, but rode the 40 mile loop of the course today as it seems similar to the one I am doing soon (same day as you guys).  None of the sections in that area would make me nervous due to road conditions. Some cracks filled in and some rougher sections, but to me it was pretty good for the area.  Maybe an occasional gap, but no serious potholes.  This course was fun!

On a couple sections I'm wondering if they are going to lay down some pavement soon.  There were a bunch of metal line markers set out periodically here and the road had a constant buzz to it in these sections.  It looked like base layer asphalt too.  It's fine to ride on, won't hurt anything on the bike, just not quite as fast as smoother sections.



There are a couple of short sections of road that were recently "chip & sealed". I believe they must have done it a couple of weeks ago, as they are pretty packed down at this point - but beware of the loose gravel in the turns and close the edges of the road.

Overall - the condition of the roads is fairly good. One exception is the short stretch between Bourbon road and Stagecoach (sorry, not sure what the name is but it was BUSY during training rides) - right outside of Cross Planes. This road is pretty cracked up and has multiple smallish potholes.
2011-08-29 8:34 AM
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kmwilliams - 2011-08-29 8:29 AM

I am not a local - but have been on the course several times this year. My opinion is that the hill on Observitory is significant. I am planning to walk up it.

This was my impression when I saw it last year.  I may also walk it if I can't keep my effort down with a slow jog.

2011-08-29 8:51 AM
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wiky - 2011-08-29 9:34 AM

kmwilliams - 2011-08-29 8:29 AM

I am not a local - but have been on the course several times this year. My opinion is that the hill on Observitory is significant. I am planning to walk up it.

This was my impression when I saw it last year.  I may also walk it if I can't keep my effort down with a slow jog.

I've already mentally prepared myself for walking this hill.  Looking forward to it, actually.  It'll be a nice little breather.  I may just set up camp next to the hill and chill for awhile.

2011-08-29 9:03 AM
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2011-08-29 11:05 AM
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Does anyone happen to know the precise locations (by mile marker) of the aid stations on the bike?  What about on the run?  I was hoping this information would be provided in the athlete's guide, but it just generally refers to aid stations every 12-15 miles on the bike, and every mile or so on the run.

Thanks for your help.

2011-08-29 11:10 AM
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You can google:

First aid station is about Whalen/Fitchrona Rd then a water only stop at Sugar River & Marsh view then

Mt Horeb high school, Uphill Grind, and Verona High School

2011-08-29 4:23 PM
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sfulkers - 2011-08-29 8:51 AM
wiky - 2011-08-29 9:34 AM

kmwilliams - 2011-08-29 8:29 AM

I am not a local - but have been on the course several times this year. My opinion is that the hill on Observitory is significant. I am planning to walk up it.

This was my impression when I saw it last year.  I may also walk it if I can't keep my effort down with a slow jog.

I've already mentally prepared myself for walking this hill.  Looking forward to it, actually.  It'll be a nice little breather.  I may just set up camp next to the hill and chill for awhile.

Yes, if you need to, walk the hill.  It's worth saving the energy during that 0.25 mile of "fun".

2011-08-29 6:05 PM
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Mrs. brown_dog_us - 2011-08-28 8:13 PM

Not to beat a dead horse, but I've been dorking out watching IM Wisconsin start videos from youtube while we track buddies at Louisville and Canada.  SO, is it possible to start and do the first leg of the swim wide outside of the scrum or are efforts to swim a wider route pinched off by the shore? 

In the 2010 video, it looks like there are a few boats about 100 meters from the start and then it looks clear, but the camera angle is bad.  BTDT folks, what say you?



I know I posted earlier in this thread about my swim in 2009 and trying to avoid any contact. But, yes, is the answer to your question.

I got in the water about 10 minutes before the start. At that point, I was the furthest outside of anybody in the water. By the time the race started there were 10-15 people to the right of me. That made me pretty anxious as it was pretty essential for me to avoid contact. That said, when the cannon went off I pretty much made a beeline to swim forward and towards the terrace to stay well to the outside of 95% of the field. There will be plenty of room, still, between you and the shore once you swim about 100 yards.

I wound up staying well off the buoy line (guessing 40 yards, give or take) for the whole swim and it was EXTREMELY clean. I know I swam a bit further than many, but, for me and the situation I was in, I needed to avoid as much contact as possible. FWIW, I swam just under a 1:15...easy to get into a good rhythm early.
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2011-08-30 7:31 AM
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bossfan - 2011-08-29 7:05 PM
Mrs. brown_dog_us - 2011-08-28 8:13 PM

Not to beat a dead horse, but I've been dorking out watching IM Wisconsin start videos from youtube while we track buddies at Louisville and Canada.  SO, is it possible to start and do the first leg of the swim wide outside of the scrum or are efforts to swim a wider route pinched off by the shore? 

In the 2010 video, it looks like there are a few boats about 100 meters from the start and then it looks clear, but the camera angle is bad.  BTDT folks, what say you?

I know I posted earlier in this thread about my swim in 2009 and trying to avoid any contact. But, yes, is the answer to your question. I got in the water about 10 minutes before the start. At that point, I was the furthest outside of anybody in the water. By the time the race started there were 10-15 people to the right of me. That made me pretty anxious as it was pretty essential for me to avoid contact. That said, when the cannon went off I pretty much made a beeline to swim forward and towards the terrace to stay well to the outside of 95% of the field. There will be plenty of room, still, between you and the shore once you swim about 100 yards. I wound up staying well off the buoy line (guessing 40 yards, give or take) for the whole swim and it was EXTREMELY clean. I know I swam a bit further than many, but, for me and the situation I was in, I needed to avoid as much contact as possible. FWIW, I swam just under a 1:15...easy to get into a good rhythm early.

Perfect, thank you bossfan!  And also littleminnow for responding in my log!  I will have a much better day by swimming a longer loop without the contact.  : ) What a relief.  Whew!

2011-08-30 9:47 AM
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Slight brag here:

I won IM Wisconsin's Ford Ironman Training Team this year. I apparently win an entry into any Ford IM event next year, prize money, VIP guest passes, they have told me that cameras will be filming me throughout the weekend, and featured at the athlete banquet. My essay and I guess a story will be written on the website.

2011-08-30 9:47 AM
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Slight brag here:

I won IM Wisconsin's Ford Ironman Training Team this year. I apparently win an entry into any Ford IM event next year, prize money, VIP guest passes, they have told me that cameras will be filming me throughout the weekend, and featured at the athlete banquet. My essay and I guess a story will be written on the website.

 

will be on www.ironmanfordtrainingteam.com, its not posted yet.



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Decatur217 - 2011-08-30 10:47 AM

Slight brag here:

I won IM Wisconsin's Ford Ironman Training Team this year. I apparently win an entry into any Ford IM event next year, prize money, VIP guest passes, they have told me that cameras will be filming me throughout the weekend, and featured at the athlete banquet. My essay and I guess a story will be written on the website.

That's awesome, congrats!  Can't wait to read it!

2011-08-30 11:48 AM
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... so I've been beating this horse over and over again, and I am wonder if starting closer to the jump may not be a bad option. Starting really wide right seems to add quite a bit of distance to an already long swim -I think about the extra energy used. Plus, at some point, one has to converge into the pack.
Also, I wonder if swimmers to the right might be more likely to panic? I'm not a real strong swimmer ( hopefully out around 1:10-1:15), but usually don't panic in open water. In other races, I have had people around me freeze and stop swimming, or start breast stroking. While I don't want to get mixed up in the scrum, getting kicked by a breast stroker isn't fun either.
Idealy, it would be nice to be around confident, but not overly aggressive swimmers.

Thoughts?

2011-08-30 11:52 AM
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buhl0006 - 2011-08-30 11:48 AM

  • .. so I've been beating this horse over and over again, and I am wonder if starting closer to the jump may not be a bad option. Starting really wide right seems to add quite a bit of distance to an already long swim -I think about the extra energy used. Plus, at some point, one has to converge into the pack.
    • Also, I wonder if swimmers to the right might be more likely to panic? I'm not a real strong swimmer ( hopefully out around 1:10-1:15), but usually don't panic in open water. In other races, I have had people around me freeze and stop swimming, or start breast stroking. While I don't want to get mixed up in the scrum, getting kicked by a breast stroker isn't fun either.
    Idealy, it would be nice to be around confident, but not overly aggressive swimmers.

    Thoughts?


    Honestly the depth of the start line isn't very deep.... but it is wide. If your not super fast but want to avoid major contact you'd probably not add as much swim distance if you start closer to buoys but hang back just a tiny bit. if you're fast this probably doesn't apply because you'd just catch up to the chaos.

    As for me... I don't want to add distance to the swim if I don't have to. I started midway between the ski jump and the buoy line about 3/4 the way back. In front of the way too nervous people but behind the Malay.
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    Decatur217 - 2011-08-30 9:47 AM

    Slight brag here:

    I won IM Wisconsin's Ford Ironman Training Team this year. I apparently win an entry into any Ford IM event next year, prize money, VIP guest passes, they have told me that cameras will be filming me throughout the weekend, and featured at the athlete banquet. My essay and I guess a story will be written on the website.

     

    will be on www.ironmanfordtrainingteam.com, its not posted yet.

    WOW!!  CONGRATULATIONS!!!! THAT'S AWESOME!!

    2011-08-30 12:36 PM
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    Ok, so I've been mapping out the bike course today for my family (yes, I absolutely should be working instead of doing this, but I have no real motivation to do actual work this week).  My plan is to have them go from Monona Terrace after the swim to the hill in Mt Horeb on Rt 92, just after the US-18 overpass. 

    Here is the dilemma:  after Mt Horeb, they'd like to head to the real hills on Old Sauk Pass and Timber Ln.  I think I can get them there directionally, but it appears they'll be "stuck" inside the loop after they see me on the hills. 

    How hard is it for vehicle traffic to cross the course around that area?  I'm assuming the police are letting some traffic cross in between bikes.  Anyone have experience with this?

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    buhl0006 - 2011-08-30 11:48 AM ... so I've been beating this horse over and over again, and I am wonder if starting closer to the jump may not be a bad option. Starting really wide right seems to add quite a bit of distance to an already long swim -I think about the extra energy used. Plus, at some point, one has to converge into the pack. Also, I wonder if swimmers to the right might be more likely to panic? I'm not a real strong swimmer ( hopefully out around 1:10-1:15), but usually don't panic in open water. In other races, I have had people around me freeze and stop swimming, or start breast stroking. While I don't want to get mixed up in the scrum, getting kicked by a breast stroker isn't fun either. Idealy, it would be nice to be around confident, but not overly aggressive swimmers. Thoughts?

    assuming that the length of the "long" legs of the swim are around 800 yards, there is a minimal impact of starting 100 yards to the right of the bouy line.   We're talking about less that 20 yards additional swimming.  There is likely more impact swimming wide (distance wise) at the first two turn buoys... If you are looking to go sub 1:00, start upfront with the swimmers!!!

    If you take a nice slow angle to the first turn, you won't feel much additional distance.

    2011-08-30 1:42 PM
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    sfulkers - 2011-08-30 12:36 PM

    Ok, so I've been mapping out the bike course today for my family (yes, I absolutely should be working instead of doing this, but I have no real motivation to do actual work this week).  My plan is to have them go from Monona Terrace after the swim to the hill in Mt Horeb on Rt 92, just after the US-18 overpass. 

    Here is the dilemma:  after Mt Horeb, they'd like to head to the real hills on Old Sauk Pass and Timber Ln.  I think I can get them there directionally, but it appears they'll be "stuck" inside the loop after they see me on the hills. 

    How hard is it for vehicle traffic to cross the course around that area?  I'm assuming the police are letting some traffic cross in between bikes.  Anyone have experience with this?

    Being inside the stick is the best to hit multiple spots fot spectating. I had somd friends inside the loop that were literally at everu turn and hill. I think they took thr 18 bypass back into Madison.

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    chasingkona - 2011-08-30 1:42 PM
    sfulkers - 2011-08-30 12:36 PM

    Ok, so I've been mapping out the bike course today for my family (yes, I absolutely should be working instead of doing this, but I have no real motivation to do actual work this week).  My plan is to have them go from Monona Terrace after the swim to the hill in Mt Horeb on Rt 92, just after the US-18 overpass. 

    Here is the dilemma:  after Mt Horeb, they'd like to head to the real hills on Old Sauk Pass and Timber Ln.  I think I can get them there directionally, but it appears they'll be "stuck" inside the loop after they see me on the hills. 

    How hard is it for vehicle traffic to cross the course around that area?  I'm assuming the police are letting some traffic cross in between bikes.  Anyone have experience with this?

    Being inside the stick is the best to hit multiple spots fot spectating. I had somd friends inside the loop that were literally at everu turn and hill. I think they took thr 18 bypass back into Madison.

    It is very easy to get back downtown from Timber Lane/Old Sauk Pass without being part of the course.  The key is to have them park on Old Sauk Road (which T bones with Timber Lane).  Lots of people park there.  You can then head back down Old Sauk.  If you want directions let me know.

    Trying to drive on the bike course is a pain for the driver and the race participants, especially around the most crowded areas, Verona, Midtown and Cross Plains.

    2011-08-30 3:53 PM
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    Anyone have a good check list of things to bring for this race I have a good HIM checklist but want to make sure I am not missing anything. Without a list I always forget something.
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    BuckHamilton - 2011-08-30 3:53 PM Anyone have a good check list of things to bring for this race I have a good HIM checklist but want to make sure I am not missing anything. Without a list I always forget something.

    Here are 3 that were posted online that are worth using/modifying:

    1).  This is for a woman, but you can leave out the parts for that gender (barrette, extra ponytail, etc.):
    http://www.ironwomantobe.com/my-ultimate-triathlon-and-ironman-checklist/the-ultimate-checklist-2/
    and then click on "The ultimate checklist - MS Word version (updated)"

    The shortcut to the doc -
    http://www.ironwomantobe.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/The-ultimate-checklist.doc

    2). http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.triathlon/msg/e22b6bd867bf6826

    3). A basic one: http://felixwong.com/2006/04/ironman-checklist/

    I thought the Athlete's Guide had a listing in it, too.

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    Just received an email from the WTC stating I was given a low bib # (125) for being a first responder, I am a career firefighter, thought was pretty cool, 9/11 is a day of remeberance for many of us and it means alot to me to be able to do an ironman on the anniversary of such a tragic day in our history and in the fire service! Just thought I would share, thought it was cool by the WTC..
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