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2008-06-25 11:33 AM
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owl_girl - 2008-06-25 11:43 AM I'm bummed.  A friend has been diagnosed with cancer.  Things are still a little hazy as to the type of cancer.  Think good thoughts for her.

Sorry to hear that. Does she live near by where you can visit her?



2008-06-25 12:58 PM
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Sorry to hear about that Tracy. Hope she comes through ok.  Keep us posted.

2008-06-25 1:25 PM
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owl_girl - 2008-06-25 11:43 AM I'm bummed.  A friend has been diagnosed with cancer.  Things are still a little hazy as to the type of cancer.  Think good thoughts for her.

So sorry to hear that   Sending some good thoughts and vibes her way....

2008-06-25 2:54 PM
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owl_girl - 2008-06-25 11:43 AM I'm bummed.  A friend has been diagnosed with cancer.  Things are still a little hazy as to the type of cancer.  Think good thoughts for her.

So sorry to hear that! A friend of mine was recently diagnosed and after one surgery and two week-long bouts of chemo, cancer is gone. I hope things go as well for your friend. I am sure they will . Positive thoughts coming your way !

2008-06-25 2:57 PM
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vball03umd - 2008-06-25 9:51 AM

Good morning guys   I joined the ranks of the folks who have fallen off their bike because of the clipless pedals and fell off at an intersection last night.  Well I guess I really shouldn't blame the pedals, I just made a poor decision. 

Bruised my butt, leg, knee and my pride.. grrr.  Of course it had to be at an intersection where there was a lot of traffic!

I'm glad you're not hurt too badly. I didn't have my first clipless-pedal mishap until after about 2,000 miles of riding with them. I've since had several clipless pedals falls .

2008-06-25 3:19 PM
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owl_girl - 2008-06-25 11:43 AM I'm bummed.  A friend has been diagnosed with cancer.  Things are still a little hazy as to the type of cancer.  Think good thoughts for her.

Let's hope for the best.



2008-06-25 7:05 PM
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shiggy - 2008-06-25 9:33 AM

owl_girl - 2008-06-25 11:43 AM I'm bummed.  A friend has been diagnosed with cancer.  Things are still a little hazy as to the type of cancer.  Think good thoughts for her.

Sorry to hear that. Does she live near by where you can visit her?

Yes, she lives near.  She quit her job so she can focus on more important things.....like her kids and her husband.

2008-06-25 7:07 PM
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lisazapato - 2008-06-25 6:55 AM
vball03umd - 2008-06-25 9:51 AM

Good morning guys I joined the ranks of the folks who have fallen off their bike because of the clipless pedals and fell off at an intersection last night. Well I guess I really shouldn't blame the pedals, I just made a poor decision.

Bruised my butt, leg, knee and my pride.. grrr. Of course it had to be at an intersection where there was a lot of traffic!

heh, don't worry, it happens to everyone!!  in fact - sssh, don't tell hubby i told you, but he fell on saturday at the end of the century.  an ironman finisher, who has ridden thousands and thousands of miles (literally), and he can still fall from the pedals.  but he had a good reason.  it was the end of the century, and he had clipped out on one side, then suddenly noticed the free beer tent and turned toward it too quickly while going at a slow pace, which put all the leaning on the wrong side, and he fell....in front of everyone...and bruised his butt.  he said there was a collective "ooooohhhhhh!" and it was mortifying.  talk about wounded pride

so, just consider it part of your rite of passage - what a week, first tri, first fall!  

My husband did the same thing at a race!  The power of beer!

2008-06-26 8:13 AM
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hahahha... Whew.. thanks for sharing your embarrassing falling stories   It's also good to hear that it still happens to people that have ridden a lot.  I don't feel like such a doofus! 

I have a question about marathon training. I was using the BT plan but it goes by time and I want to train by distance for the Marine Corp Marathon in October.  I decided to use Hal Higdon's 18 week novice 2 plan but I noticed that the longest scheduled run is 20 miles three weeks before the race.  Is that normal and a good idea?  It seems like the longest run should be longer than that.

 



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2008-06-26 9:41 AM
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vball03umd - 2008-06-26 6:13 AM

hahahha... Whew.. thanks for sharing your embarrassing falling stories   It's also good to hear that it still happens to people that have ridden a lot.  I don't feel like such a doofus! 

I have a question about marathon training. I was using the BT plan but it goes by time and I want to train by distance for the Marine Corp Marathon in October.  I decided to use Hal Higdon's 18 week novice 2 plan but I noticed that the longest scheduled run is 20 miles three weeks before the race.  Is that normal and a good idea?  It seems like the longest run should be longer than that.

To be honest, I can't recall ever seeing a plan that has you doing more than 20 or 22 miles.  So it doesn't seem out of line.  I think if you can do 20 pretty comfortably, the last 10k you can knock out when you push for the race.  I think they try to keep long runs a little limited to be easier on the body.  Seems to be a proven method in many plans, so I wouldn't worry too much if you follow it.

Just my 0.02.

2008-06-26 9:55 AM
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Aikidoman - 2008-06-26 10:41 AM
vball03umd - 2008-06-26 6:13 AM

hahahha... Whew.. thanks for sharing your embarrassing falling stories   It's also good to hear that it still happens to people that have ridden a lot.  I don't feel like such a doofus! 

I have a question about marathon training. I was using the BT plan but it goes by time and I want to train by distance for the Marine Corp Marathon in October.  I decided to use Hal Higdon's 18 week novice 2 plan but I noticed that the longest scheduled run is 20 miles three weeks before the race.  Is that normal and a good idea?  It seems like the longest run should be longer than that.

To be honest, I can't recall ever seeing a plan that has you doing more than 20 or 22 miles.  So it doesn't seem out of line.  I think if you can do 20 pretty comfortably, the last 10k you can knock out when you push for the race.  I think they try to keep long runs a little limited to be easier on the body.  Seems to be a proven method in many plans, so I wouldn't worry too much if you follow it.

Just my 0.02.

I've never trained for a marathon, but that sounds fine to me. Higdon's plans are good.



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2008-06-26 11:22 AM
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vball03umd - 2008-06-26 9:13 AM

hahahha... Whew.. thanks for sharing your embarrassing falling stories   It's also good to hear that it still happens to people that have ridden a lot.  I don't feel like such a doofus! 

I have a question about marathon training. I was using the BT plan but it goes by time and I want to train by distance for the Marine Corp Marathon in October.  I decided to use Hal Higdon's 18 week novice 2 plan but I noticed that the longest scheduled run is 20 miles three weeks before the race.  Is that normal and a good idea?  It seems like the longest run should be longer than that.

This is normal. Although some elite altheles do longer runs than 20 miles, it is very taxing on the body and without a support team of PTs, etc. you have to be very lucky to get through those without injury.

My first marathon, I did 2 x 18 miles, and 2 x 20 miles. This was more than enough to get through the race. The other (4) marathons I trained for, I typically did 1 x 18 and 1 x 20 and got through the race just fine. Once due to injuries I did as little as 1 x 16 miles and still got through the race.

Generally, I did about 30-35 miles/week.

IMO, the hardest thing about getting through the last 6 miles is nutrition. If you don't have good nutrition the whole race, those last 6 miles are VERY tough. Once I almost slugged a spectator that told me I was "almost there" at mile 20

 

 



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2008-06-26 1:43 PM
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If it makes you feel better, I'm doing an Ironman in 24 days and my longest run prior would have been 12.93 miles .
2008-06-26 1:52 PM
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not that i've ever done a marathon, but i've know many people who have, and they usually cap it at 20 miles or so, MAYBE 22, because then you need so much time to recover that you won't be in top form for the marathon.  one friend of mine, who has done i think 3 marathons is going to try to hit 20 miles 3 times before the race, 20, down week, 20, down week, 20, down week, nother down week, race.  but that's probably because she has a really solid base and can jump into high mileage early.  for first timers 20 should be sufficient to get through, or that's what i hear and read.  either way, you'll have to tell for yourself how much recovery time you need after, say, a 16 mile run, and you can tweak the plan for yourself.  but Hal will probably not lead you astray.

finally, the Ironman CdA winner this year doesn't run more than 2 hours at a time. 

2008-06-26 1:54 PM
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shiggy - 2008-06-26 12:22 PM

IMO, the hardest thing about getting through the last 6 miles is nutrition. If you don't have good nutrition the whole race, those last 6 miles are VERY tough. Once I almost slugged a spectator that told me I was "almost there" at mile 20

hubby swears that flat coke duriing the last six miles is the nectar of the gods - concentrated sugar + caffeine makes exhausted runner happy.  but it has to be flat, obviously.  my entire role at jockstrapping MCM last year was to make sure i had a bottle of flat coke to hand him at mile 20, nothing else really mattered to him, heh. 

2008-06-26 3:38 PM
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lisazapato - 2008-06-26 11:52 AM

not that i've ever done a marathon, but i've know many people who have, and they usually cap it at 20 miles or so, MAYBE 22, because then you need so much time to recover that you won't be in top form for the marathon.  one friend of mine, who has done i think 3 marathons is going to try to hit 20 miles 3 times before the race, 20, down week, 20, down week, 20, down week, nother down week, race.  but that's probably because she has a really solid base and can jump into high mileage early.  for first timers 20 should be sufficient to get through, or that's what i hear and read.  either way, you'll have to tell for yourself how much recovery time you need after, say, a 16 mile run, and you can tweak the plan for yourself.  but Hal will probably not lead you astray.

finally, the Ironman CdA winner this year doesn't run more than 2 hours at a time

but I'm betting they can cover almost 20 miles in that time!  Those people are FAST....



2008-06-26 3:42 PM
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lisazapato - 2008-06-26 2:54 PM
shiggy - 2008-06-26 12:22 PM

IMO, the hardest thing about getting through the last 6 miles is nutrition. If you don't have good nutrition the whole race, those last 6 miles are VERY tough. Once I almost slugged a spectator that told me I was "almost there" at mile 20

hubby swears that flat coke duriing the last six miles is the nectar of the gods - concentrated sugar + caffeine makes exhausted runner happy. 

Thanks for the input guys... I'll stick with the plan.  It sounds like he knows what the heck he's talking about

hmmmm.. flat coke is interesting.  Maybe I'll try that out on my training runs.  I've read some race reports and people have used coke too.  I like coke a lot more than powerade and gels.  

 

2008-06-26 3:49 PM
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Aikidoman - 2008-06-26 4:38 PM
lisazapato - 2008-06-26 11:52 AM

not that i've ever done a marathon, but i've know many people who have, and they usually cap it at 20 miles or so, MAYBE 22, because then you need so much time to recover that you won't be in top form for the marathon. one friend of mine, who has done i think 3 marathons is going to try to hit 20 miles 3 times before the race, 20, down week, 20, down week, 20, down week, nother down week, race. but that's probably because she has a really solid base and can jump into high mileage early. for first timers 20 should be sufficient to get through, or that's what i hear and read. either way, you'll have to tell for yourself how much recovery time you need after, say, a 16 mile run, and you can tweak the plan for yourself. but Hal will probably not lead you astray.

finally, the Ironman CdA winner this year doesn't run more than 2 hours at a time.

but I'm betting they can cover almost 20 miles in that time! Those people are FAST....

TOTALLY true, good point.  he is also time constrained because i don't think he's a pro and he's actually a doctor.  (i know, right?  what the heck??)

anyway, they were saying over in ST that huge training volumes aren't necessarily if you're going high intensity, and this doctor dude's approach is high intensity and non-high volume (they said he doens't cycle for more than 4 hrs and he doesn't run for more than 2).

makes sense for certain people, i suppose - everyone is different! 

2008-06-26 3:49 PM
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Here's another idea if you're interested, you could try honey packets. (like the ones at the coffee bar).
2008-06-26 3:52 PM
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shiggy - 2008-06-26 4:49 PM Here's another idea if you're interested, you could try honey packets. (like the ones at the coffee bar).

Yum!! Another great idea... thanks

2008-06-27 7:59 AM
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vball03umd - 2008-06-26 4:52 PM

shiggy - 2008-06-26 4:49 PM Here's another idea if you're interested, you could try honey packets. (like the ones at the coffee bar).

Yum!! Another great idea... thanks

Oooh, that sounds good. Those Stinger Honey gels are pretty good too .



2008-06-27 8:40 AM
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So I was out running today, and there was this area with construction vehicles, rough road, traffic, etc. not a nice little area to squeeze through. So I proceeded to run very close to the parked constrution vehicles in order to avoid the traffic, and all of a sudden I was hit with a opening truck door! The man inside was getting out just as I happened to be running by! Well luckily all it did was bang and cut up my arm a little bit. This was a new one for me though, never thought to worry about that!
2008-06-27 8:45 AM
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shiggy - 2008-06-27 9:40 AM So I was out running today, and there was this area with construction vehicles, rough road, traffic, etc. not a nice little area to squeeze through. So I proceeded to run very close to the parked constrution vehicles in order to avoid the traffic, and all of a sudden I was hit with a opening truck door! The man inside was getting out just as I happened to be running by! Well luckily all it did was bang and cut up my arm a little bit. This was a new one for me though, never thought to worry about that!

Yikes!!!  Glad you're OK.

2008-06-27 9:06 AM
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shiggy - 2008-06-27 9:40 AM So I was out running today, and there was this area with construction vehicles, rough road, traffic, etc. not a nice little area to squeeze through. So I proceeded to run very close to the parked constrution vehicles in order to avoid the traffic, and all of a sudden I was hit with a opening truck door! The man inside was getting out just as I happened to be running by! Well luckily all it did was bang and cut up my arm a little bit. This was a new one for me though, never thought to worry about that!

I'm glad you're okay. Ironically enough, that's a paranoia of mine, so whenever I am running or riding and pass parked cars, I always try to determine before I reach it whether or not someone's inside. If I can't tell, I move over...when there's room. That had to hurt, though. Was the guy apologetic?

2008-06-27 9:08 AM
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shiggy - 2008-06-27 9:40 AM So I was out running today, and there was this area with construction vehicles, rough road, traffic, etc. not a nice little area to squeeze through. So I proceeded to run very close to the parked constrution vehicles in order to avoid the traffic, and all of a sudden I was hit with a opening truck door! The man inside was getting out just as I happened to be running by! Well luckily all it did was bang and cut up my arm a little bit. This was a new one for me though, never thought to worry about that!

yikes!!!  i've heard of getting doored while biking, but not running!  glad you're ok!!   

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