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 2009-12-29 6:19 PM in reply to: #2582922 |
Master  2501  |  Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSEDAnd one last post before I go... Suzy, I totally found myself thinking about you and your conversation with that guy last night. I can imagine he probably woke up this morning thinking, "What the heck...??" But then when he got your email with a plan, I can just picture him getting that adrenaline tickle in his tummy and thinking, "I CAN DO THIS!!" I LOVE that you are taking him under your wing and giving him a starting point. I will say that one thing I find with so many people who aren't runners it that they try it a few times, it's hard, and they stop. I tell everyone to stick with it for at least a month -- you really do have to get over a hump. And as you improve, you also find that your body takes awhile to warm up, so the first 1-2 miles of a run often SUCK and you just have to gut it out and give your body a chance to get going. Run/walk is certainly a great place to start (walking and tracking his time is great too!). Galloway would say something like run just 10 seconds every 2 minutes and build from there. Baby steps... Keep us posted on how he does, OK? And yay for you!! |
| 2009-12-29 6:53 PM in reply to: #2582781 |
Master 1952    Guelph, Ontario | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED AF_SGT - 2009-12-29 5:54 PM Preface**I was a swimmer when I was a teenager (20 yrs ago)** training long distance for swimming is the same as for the running or biking. You need to slow down your pace. I was doing what you were doing at the beginning of last year. I was trying to increase my distance keeping the short distance speed until a friend here told me to slow down for the longer distances. ( my problem was really in the running dept but I adapted it for the long distance swim also.) Once you have gained the distance you can start to put speed back into the equation. When I say slow down you should really slow down. IF you are 1:40 for 400 hundred you may have to slow down to around the 2:00 mark. As with any of the other disciplines here add a little distance at a time. |
| 2009-12-29 7:02 PM in reply to: #2555972 |
Master 1952 Guelph, Ontario | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED One other thing I have to contribute to the swim conversation and breathing. When I am on my breath stroke I think of it as gathering air from my armpit.( Maybe not a great image but quite accurate Edited by Redknight 2009-12-29 7:03 PM |
| 2009-12-29 7:28 PM in reply to: #2582533 |
Elite 4108 Calgary,AB,Canada | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED kt65 - 2009-12-29 1:28 PM dalessit - 2009-12-29 4:50 AM ^^That was me BTW^^ That might be it, Tony, because I did install the "serial adapter" thing at the prompt and still no communication. maybe they will give us a discount if we buy two? I know the seller was running windows XP and it worked no problem. Thank you, I was thinking I was having another ridiculous computer numbskull moment (could still be the case, but that makes sense, I'm not home now, so I will check the adapter that's on there when I get home) I did go to the link you sent, Lisa, and I did the install as it instructed, still no communication, which leads me to believe it is the adapter. Suzy, thanks, I might just call you anyway...just because!  2:20 on the trainer this morning went pretty darn well...it always takes me awhile to get warmed up, but once my body knows it's stuck on there, it just settles in. I had 3 different 20 minute Zone 3 intervals and they were HARD! I am never going to catch up with this thread today...the office is hopping crazy today! Nice ride Kim...2:20 on the trainer is awesome. I just did a 1:12 program and was ready to get off when 72 minutes hit. |
| 2009-12-29 7:53 PM in reply to: #2582744 |
Champion 9060 Charlottesville, Virginia | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED Hey Tony I understand why you would want to know your FTP, but what does the VO2 stuff do for you? Like how does it change you training? Also curious how did your coach run the test? was blood taken? how lon was it? was it on a course? I haven't done a TT since my stress fracture, but know it won't be long before I do. Suzy From this page. http://www.brianmac.co.uk/vo2max.htm "VO2max is the maximum amount of oxygen in ml's, one can use in one minute per kilo of body weight. Those who are fit have higher VO2max values and can exercise more intensely than those who are not as well conditioned. Numerous studies show that you can increase your VO2max by working out at an intensity that raises your heart rate to between 65 and 85% of its maximum for at least 20 minutes three to five times a week. A mean value of VO2max for male athletes is about 3.5 litres/minute and for female athletes it is about 2.7 litres/minute." ============ FTP seems to be a more useful number to me bike wise. Going to do some more reading into it though. Basically get on a Computrainer. Put on the mask, which is hooked to some machine, then he incremented the wattage up every minute or so. Go as long as you can, then they print out your numbers. Took about 15 minutes for the actual test not including all the warmup time. |
| 2009-12-29 9:33 PM in reply to: #2582241 |
Master 1690 Metro NY Area | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED You shouldn't say that about yourself. You are just starting out and giving it a good try. A+ for you and screw the dumb 19 year old crappy coach. kickitinok - 2009-12-29 1:32 PM Tony - Thanks for telling me your story. I know I suck supremely. I guess I just needed input from you all on how you broke-through the sucky swim technique stage. It sucks being here. Knowing one sucks and continues to train while sucking is so hard mentally and physically. Has there ever been anybody who just couldn't get their technique down? Will a good coach be able to break my sucky breathing habits/form and put me on the path to swimming greatness? Also, I know that swimming is all about technique, but doesn't one have to build endurance in swimming just as they would running? Am I delusional in thinking that being able to swim 75-100 m (without resting) only three weeks in is decent? I need to find a good coach. Will post inquiry on Oklahoma message board. |
| 2009-12-29 9:55 PM in reply to: #2555972 |
Expert 801 Oklahoma City | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED Oh my gosh, thank you all so much for the input. (And I will quit calling myself sucky). Strangely enough, after I posted my concerns here I went to the pool and had a great workout. I concentrated on my rotation (something the teen coach never even mentioned - I was swimming totally flat), especially exaggerating my roll on my breath stroke (worked great! - only caught myself lifting my head once or twice), and just relaxing in the water. I was able to swim a lot further in less time without being out of breath as much. I don't have problems with my body/limbs being sore or tired, it's always a matter of being out of breath. So yes, it's totally my form holding me up. You guys are just wonderful. So supportive. I am touched. Thanks!!!!! |
| 2009-12-29 10:06 PM in reply to: #2583238 |
Elite 4108 Calgary,AB,Canada | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED kickitinok - 2009-12-29 8:55 PM Oh my gosh, thank you all so much for the input. (And I will quit calling myself sucky). Strangely enough, after I posted my concerns here I went to the pool and had a great workout. I concentrated on my rotation (something the teen coach never even mentioned - I was swimming totally flat), especially exaggerating my roll on my breath stroke (worked great! - only caught myself lifting my head once or twice), and just relaxing in the water. I was able to swim a lot further in less time without being out of breath as much. I don't have problems with my body/limbs being sore or tired, it's always a matter of being out of breath. So yes, it's totally my form holding me up. You guys are just wonderful. So supportive. I am touched. Thanks!!!!! Hey great new signature line as well!!! |
| 2009-12-30 6:34 AM in reply to: #2555972 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED Tis Wednesday everyone.....if you're racing lay down the details! If not, who has a New Year's Resolution or a 2010 goal(s) they would like to share???? |
| 2009-12-30 7:26 AM in reply to: #2583463 |
Master 1539 Sin City | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED SSMinnow - 2009-12-30 4:34 AM Tis Wednesday everyone.....if you're racing lay down the details! If not, who has a New Year's Resolution or a 2010 goal(s) they would like to share???? This year is probably the ONLY year that I have resolutions that I *will* see through!! - FINISH a Sprint and have LOADS of fun! - Lose 10 more pounds - very doable! - Be 1 to 1.5 mph faster on the bike That's about it! |
| 2009-12-30 7:32 AM in reply to: #2583463 |
Expert 1027 | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED SSMinnow - 2009-12-30 6:34 AM Tis Wednesday everyone.....if you're racing lay down the details! If not, who has a New Year's Resolution or a 2010 goal(s) they would like to share???? Happy for this! No real "New Year's Resolution", but have some goals in mind: 1. Lock in a good Work Life Exercise Balance. 2. Stick with a training schedule all year round 3. Focus on nutrition and getting rid of the junk 4. 2&3 should get me down to maintain 160 lbs or less 5. My tri specific goals (First race time splits and overall time, top 3 in Age group although I am basing this on time, because I cannot control who shows up that day, relative to last years times) Also raise my bike wattage, I want to be a machine on the bike and still have legs left for the run. |
| 2009-12-30 7:38 AM in reply to: #2583507 |
Expert 1027 | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED CyborgQueen - 2009-12-30 7:26 AM SSMinnow - 2009-12-30 4:34 AM Tis Wednesday everyone.....if you're racing lay down the details! If not, who has a New Year's Resolution or a 2010 goal(s) they would like to share???? This year is probably the ONLY year that I have resolutions that I *will* see through!! - FINISH a Sprint and have LOADS of fun! - Lose 10 more pounds - very doable! - Be 1 to 1.5 mph faster on the bike That's about it! Great goals, you will get hooked really fast after that first race and the pounds will come with the training, spend plenty of time building a base that is the best zone for shedding weight. Not knowing your avg bike speed, this should be a good goal to push yourself. Since I have not been riding with power yet I cannot say specifically, but based on the Kurt Kinetic trainer I have, this PDF helps to gauge what it takes to improve. You can use the road columns under the graph to get an idea of the power it takes to generate your speed. Use this to gauge your goal although 1-1.5 does not sounds like a lot, It is probably between 10 & 20% more wattage required for that new speed depending where you fall on the scale. Good luck! |
| 2009-12-30 7:40 AM in reply to: #2555972 |
Master 1539 Sin City | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED Got a question I wanted to bounce off the experts: Is this too much for first swim? 1000 meters (my pool only has 25 meter pool vs yards) - warm up 2x50, main set (4 times each): one arm drill - 1x25, catch up - 1x25; Core (3 times): 8x25; warm down - 4x25 easy. OR 800 meters - WU 2x50; MS (4 times each) 1x25 Catch up, 1x25 Streamline kicking; Core: 8x50 frestyle swim; WD - 1x100 easy. I'm thinking about doing the 800 meter one, and just kind of go with the flow. Maybe cut the drills to 2 times each. I will not be focusing on speed or anything, just seeing where I'm at. If I feel it's too hard, then I will cut back. If I feel it's too easy, I can just add a bit. I just don't know what to expect until I'm in the pool. I'm just not too sure about doing drills for first swim, hence why I'm asking you guys. I posted this somewhere else, and I got "go for it" answers. However, now that I'm looking at it, it seems such a lofty workout. The first sprint is in May, and that's 800 meters. I wonder if that's too much for first swim. How about 300? Experience: I can swim, I can do strokes, and I'm much faster going backstroke than freestyle, I can float, and I know some of the techniques (such as cupping the hands to "push" the water, and not kicking). So it's not like I'm completely starting from scratch. I *do* however, have issues with breathing (who doesn't?!), since I was young, I've always wore nose clips because my nose gets so flooded with water. No matter what I do, I can't seem to propel air out of my nose. Is it bad idea to start with nose clips and then progressively take them off? I know people say don't use "stuff" as a clutch, but I would like to use it for a couple weeks or so just so I can get used to turning my head to my "armpits" (lol), and then take them off. I just don't want to feel defeated the first swim or get sick because I've been flooded with water. Thanks for the help, and I'm SO excited. Seriously. :-) |
| 2009-12-30 7:41 AM in reply to: #2583538 |
Veteran 242 New York, New York | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED Great goals, you will get hooked really fast after that first race and the pounds will come with the training, spend plenty of time building a base that is the best zone for shedding weight. Wish that were me! I seem to gain weight while training! What's your secret? :-) dbw27 |
| 2009-12-30 7:50 AM in reply to: #2583538 |
Master 1539 Sin City | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED jvanis - 2009-12-30 5:38 AM CyborgQueen - 2009-12-30 7:26 AM SSMinnow - 2009-12-30 4:34 AM Tis Wednesday everyone.....if you're racing lay down the details! If not, who has a New Year's Resolution or a 2010 goal(s) they would like to share???? This year is probably the ONLY year that I have resolutions that I *will* see through!! - FINISH a Sprint and have LOADS of fun! - Lose 10 more pounds - very doable! - Be 1 to 1.5 mph faster on the bike That's about it! Great goals, you will get hooked really fast after that first race and the pounds will come with the training, spend plenty of time building a base that is the best zone for shedding weight. Not knowing your avg bike speed, this should be a good goal to push yourself. Since I have not been riding with power yet I cannot say specifically, but based on the Kurt Kinetic trainer I have, this PDF helps to gauge what it takes to improve. You can use the road columns under the graph to get an idea of the power it takes to generate your speed. Use this to gauge your goal although 1-1.5 does not sounds like a lot, It is probably between 10 & 20% more wattage required for that new speed depending where you fall on the scale. Good luck! Yeah, that's what everyone says! I just know the most important thing is to have fun and finish, doesn't matter where you are...whether you finish DFL...you still finished! As for the pounds - I actually lost a little over 20 pounds because of cycling and counting the calories. Yes I still eat "junk" food, but I've cut down a lot. I'm not giving up pizza just because it's not "healthy". I have always hated veggies, and I will contiune to do so. So, I don't like forcing myself to eat because it's healthy. You want a cookie? go for it. Just don't eat 3 or 4. Have one. Bike speed - since I cycle with lesiure pace - 14-15mph, with avg of 25-35 mph downhills (yeah I know, I LOVE going downhills!), I would like to be 16mph avg for racing. I don't have aero bars, so it's a good goal. I also have a trainer, so I'm hoping to spend more time in it now that I got a spinerval DVD. |
| 2009-12-30 8:04 AM in reply to: #2583463 |
Elite 4108 Calgary,AB,Canada | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED SSMinnow - 2009-12-30 5:34 AM Tis Wednesday everyone.....if you're racing lay down the details! If not, who has a New Year's Resolution or a 2010 goal(s) they would like to share???? Wife and I are running a resolution run tomorrow at 6pm.....Weather forecast for then is -17C( -4F)!!!! Its going to be friggin cold!! Its a 7k ish fun run. |
| 2009-12-30 8:09 AM in reply to: #2583507 |
Elite 4108 Calgary,AB,Canada | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED CyborgQueen - 2009-12-30 6:26 AM SSMinnow - 2009-12-30 4:34 AM Tis Wednesday everyone.....if you're racing lay down the details! If not, who has a New Year's Resolution or a 2010 goal(s) they would like to share???? This year is probably the ONLY year that I have resolutions that I *will* see through!! - FINISH a Sprint and have LOADS of fun! - Lose 10 more pounds - very doable! - Be 1 to 1.5 mph faster on the bike That's about it! You forgot one...... Host a SWBKRUN party in Sin City!!! |
| 2009-12-30 8:16 AM in reply to: #2583463 |
Champion 5522 Frisco, TX | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED SSMinnow - 2009-12-30 6:34 AM Tis Wednesday everyone.....if you're racing lay down the details! If not, who has a New Year's Resolution or a 2010 goal(s) they would like to share???? Not sure if it is a "race" but I am doing a 38 mile bike ride on Jan 1... Hope to finish in 2:00 - 2:15 or so... 2010 Goals: 2HIM, 3 Oly, 5 Sprint, 1 century ride, two OWS races, Half Mary to wrap it up.... Training Goals: Bike 3000mi; Run 750mi; Swim 150mi... Weight: 210 at end of year (that's gonna be hard!) |
| 2009-12-30 8:22 AM in reply to: #2583540 |
Elite 4108 Calgary,AB,Canada | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED CyborgQueen - 2009-12-30 6:40 AM Got a question I wanted to bounce off the experts: Is this too much for first swim? 1000 meters (my pool only has 25 meter pool vs yards) - warm up 2x50, main set (4 times each): one arm drill - 1x25, catch up - 1x25; Core (3 times): 8x25; warm down - 4x25 easy. OR 800 meters - WU 2x50; MS (4 times each) 1x25 Catch up, 1x25 Streamline kicking; Core: 8x50 frestyle swim; WD - 1x100 easy. I'm thinking about doing the 800 meter one, and just kind of go with the flow. Maybe cut the drills to 2 times each. I will not be focusing on speed or anything, just seeing where I'm at. If I feel it's too hard, then I will cut back. If I feel it's too easy, I can just add a bit. I just don't know what to expect until I'm in the pool. I'm just not too sure about doing drills for first swim, hence why I'm asking you guys. I posted this somewhere else, and I got "go for it" answers. However, now that I'm looking at it, it seems such a lofty workout. The first sprint is in May, and that's 800 meters. I wonder if that's too much for first swim. How about 300? Experience: I can swim, I can do strokes, and I'm much faster going backstroke than freestyle, I can float, and I know some of the techniques (such as cupping the hands to "push" the water, and not kicking). So it's not like I'm completely starting from scratch. I *do* however, have issues with breathing (who doesn't?!), since I was young, I've always wore nose clips because my nose gets so flooded with water. No matter what I do, I can't seem to propel air out of my nose. Is it bad idea to start with nose clips and then progressively take them off? I know people say don't use "stuff" as a clutch, but I would like to use it for a couple weeks or so just so I can get used to turning my head to my "armpits" (lol), and then take them off. I just don't want to feel defeated the first swim or get sick because I've been flooded with water. Thanks for the help, and I'm SO excited. Seriously. :-) Hey/....My advice....Go jump in a pool!! If this is your first swim, just go jump in and swim. get a feel for the water I wouldn't worry to much about 'drills' on your first swim. I sent you a PM as well. I didn't realize this was the first time back in the water for you ....I say enjoy the first swim!! |
| 2009-12-30 8:35 AM in reply to: #2583540 |
Champion 9060 Charlottesville, Virginia | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED CyborgQueen - 2009-12-30 8:40 AM Got a question I wanted to bounce off the experts: Is this too much for first swim? 1000 meters (my pool only has 25 meter pool vs yards) - warm up 2x50, main set (4 times each): one arm drill - 1x25, catch up - 1x25; Core (3 times): 8x25; warm down - 4x25 easy. OR 800 meters - WU 2x50; MS (4 times each) 1x25 Catch up, 1x25 Streamline kicking; Core: 8x50 frestyle swim; WD - 1x100 easy. I'm thinking about doing the 800 meter one, and just kind of go with the flow. Maybe cut the drills to 2 times each. I will not be focusing on speed or anything, just seeing where I'm at. If I feel it's too hard, then I will cut back. If I feel it's too easy, I can just add a bit. I just don't know what to expect until I'm in the pool. I'm just not too sure about doing drills for first swim, hence why I'm asking you guys. I posted this somewhere else, and I got "go for it" answers. However, now that I'm looking at it, it seems such a lofty workout. The first sprint is in May, and that's 800 meters. I wonder if that's too much for first swim. How about 300? Experience: I can swim, I can do strokes, and I'm much faster going backstroke than freestyle, I can float, and I know some of the techniques (such as cupping the hands to "push" the water, and not kicking). So it's not like I'm completely starting from scratch. I *do* however, have issues with breathing (who doesn't?!), since I was young, I've always wore nose clips because my nose gets so flooded with water. No matter what I do, I can't seem to propel air out of my nose. Is it bad idea to start with nose clips and then progressively take them off? I know people say don't use "stuff" as a clutch, but I would like to use it for a couple weeks or so just so I can get used to turning my head to my "armpits" (lol), and then take them off. I just don't want to feel defeated the first swim or get sick because I've been flooded with water. Thanks for the help, and I'm SO excited. Seriously. :-) Just curious if you are following a plan or not. Like all the other disciplines, I am a big fan of using a plan and starting off well within yourself then gradually moving to faster and further. I tend to do a few reps of drills, then a buildup set, main set and cool down. For this workout I think it depends on your experience. When I started training for my first sprint, my first swims were maybe 200M and I was exhausted after that. Sounded like I just finished smoking a carton of cigarrettes. Though my first sprint swims were 300-400M in a pool. I did take some lessons to help me get more comfortable in the water, then tried to do some of the plans here on BT. At first I couldn't do the distances or the times but worked up to them. After awhile I tried to make sure I at least got in the time, then made sure I could do the distances. |
| 2009-12-30 8:53 AM in reply to: #2583238 |
Master 1952 Guelph, Ontario | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED kickitinok - 2009-12-29 10:55 PM Oh my gosh, thank you all so much for the input. (And I will quit calling myself sucky). Strangely enough, after I posted my concerns here I went to the pool and had a great workout. I concentrated on my rotation (something the teen coach never even mentioned - I was swimming totally flat), especially exaggerating my roll on my breath stroke (worked great! - only caught myself lifting my head once or twice), and just relaxing in the water. I was able to swim a lot further in less time without being out of breath as much. I don't have problems with my body/limbs being sore or tired, it's always a matter of being out of breath. So yes, it's totally my form holding me up. You guys are just wonderful. So supportive. I am touched. Thanks!!!!! Quite alright trina. We're all a little "touched" in this group |
| 2009-12-30 9:02 AM in reply to: #2583540 |
Master 1952 Guelph, Ontario | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED CyborgQueen - 2009-12-30 8:40 AM Got a question I wanted to bounce off the experts: Is this too much for first swim? 1000 meters (my pool only has 25 meter pool vs yards) - warm up 2x50, main set (4 times each): one arm drill - 1x25, catch up - 1x25; Core (3 times): 8x25; warm down - 4x25 easy. OR 800 meters - WU 2x50; MS (4 times each) 1x25 Catch up, 1x25 Streamline kicking; Core: 8x50 frestyle swim; WD - 1x100 easy. I'm thinking about doing the 800 meter one, and just kind of go with the flow. Maybe cut the drills to 2 times each. I will not be focusing on speed or anything, just seeing where I'm at. If I feel it's too hard, then I will cut back. If I feel it's too easy, I can just add a bit. I just don't know what to expect until I'm in the pool. I'm just not too sure about doing drills for first swim, hence why I'm asking you guys. I posted this somewhere else, and I got "go for it" answers. However, now that I'm looking at it, it seems such a lofty workout. The first sprint is in May, and that's 800 meters. I wonder if that's too much for first swim. How about 300? Experience: I can swim, I can do strokes, and I'm much faster going backstroke than freestyle, I can float, and I know some of the techniques (such as cupping the hands to "push" the water, and not kicking). So it's not like I'm completely starting from scratch. I *do* however, have issues with breathing (who doesn't?!), since I was young, I've always wore nose clips because my nose gets so flooded with water. No matter what I do, I can't seem to propel air out of my nose. Is it bad idea to start with nose clips and then progressively take them off? I know people say don't use "stuff" as a clutch, but I would like to use it for a couple weeks or so just so I can get used to turning my head to my "armpits" (lol), and then take them off. I just don't want to feel defeated the first swim or get sick because I've been flooded with water. Thanks for the help, and I'm SO excited. Seriously. :-) With you're background you could probably do the distance with some rests but I would go with Trevor on this one. Take it easy the first time back in the pool and enjoy yourself. You have lotsof time to get up to the 800 meter for May. Us e the nose plugs if you want. No sense in feeling rotten just because "someone" said don't use that stuff. Once you get used to breathing "armpit" air you can lose them if you want. doing drills you're first time back in the pool will give you a sense of accomplishment so yes go ahead and do some but enjoy |
| 2009-12-30 9:21 AM in reply to: #2583540 |
Member 85 Keller, Tx | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED CyborgQueen - 2009-12-30 7:40 AM Got a question I wanted to bounce off the experts: Is this too much for first swim? 1000 meters (my pool only has 25 meter pool vs yards) - warm up 2x50, main set (4 times each): one arm drill - 1x25, catch up - 1x25; Core (3 times): 8x25; warm down - 4x25 easy. OR 800 meters - WU 2x50; MS (4 times each) 1x25 Catch up, 1x25 Streamline kicking; Core: 8x50 frestyle swim; WD - 1x100 easy. I'm thinking about doing the 800 meter one, and just kind of go with the flow. Maybe cut the drills to 2 times each. I will not be focusing on speed or anything, just seeing where I'm at. If I feel it's too hard, then I will cut back. If I feel it's too easy, I can just add a bit. I just don't know what to expect until I'm in the pool. I'm just not too sure about doing drills for first swim, hence why I'm asking you guys. I posted this somewhere else, and I got "go for it" answers. However, now that I'm looking at it, it seems such a lofty workout. The first sprint is in May, and that's 800 meters. I wonder if that's too much for first swim. How about 300? Experience: I can swim, I can do strokes, and I'm much faster going backstroke than freestyle, I can float, and I know some of the techniques (such as cupping the hands to "push" the water, and not kicking). So it's not like I'm completely starting from scratch. I *do* however, have issues with breathing (who doesn't?!), since I was young, I've always wore nose clips because my nose gets so flooded with water. No matter what I do, I can't seem to propel air out of my nose. Is it bad idea to start with nose clips and then progressively take them off? I know people say don't use "stuff" as a clutch, but I would like to use it for a couple weeks or so just so I can get used to turning my head to my "armpits" (lol), and then take them off. I just don't want to feel defeated the first swim or get sick because I've been flooded with water. Thanks for the help, and I'm SO excited. Seriously. :-) DJ-- Do not worry about the nose clip...at this point just get in and swim. As you get more comfortable you can take off the nose clip. Make sure when you do that you are not holding your breath while you swim, slowly exhale (through your mouth) the entire time your face is in the water..it keeps you relaxed plus it allows you to get more air in when you turn to take a breath (you only have to breath in not exhale then inhale) You also mentioned "cupping" your hands. The pull in any stroke uses your hand and forearm to move you through the water, not just the hand. Cupping your hands puts the focus on just your hand not the full stroke. Keep you hands relaxed and think of using your hand AND forearm during the pull. Robert Edited by TriFrog93 2009-12-30 9:25 AM |
| 2009-12-30 9:28 AM in reply to: #2583814 |
Master 1497 Maryland | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED You also mentioned "cupping" your hands. The pull in any stroke uses your hand and forearm to move you through the water, not just the hand. Cupping your hands puts the focus on just your hand not the full stroke. Keep you hands relaxed and think of using your hand AND forearm during the pull. Robert This is good advice Robert, thanks, something I tend to forget about. |
| 2009-12-30 9:29 AM in reply to: #2555972 |
Elite 4108 Calgary,AB,Canada | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED Hey Robert you are the swim coach i think right? IF you are question for you..... I've got a 1900m swim workout today. One set of the drills calls for head lead side kick and then are lead side kick. What's your thoughts on using zoomers to complete these drills?? I have a pretty weak kick, and 100m of head lead side kick may drown me. |
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