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Bricks are debatable about the value, although I think a couple of them leading up to race day have value and certainly to a newer triathlete.  I like bricks and do them from time to time, but I use them more as a way to eliminate a double session or to add in extra run sessions (probably part of the premise of the Time Crunched Triathlete).  Some coaches prescribe a lot of them, other coaches don't.  Those that don't believe that you gain more value from running on rested legs.  I am sure the argument could also be made that to some extent the value depends on the individual as well.  At the end of the day, you should do the training that you and your coach (if you use one) feels works best.

Adam, I haven't seen you mention it or I missed it, but was the heat a factor?  I know it was hot this year down your way, but don't what the temps were last year.  The time off running probably was a factor, but considering the volume you had for the marathon, probably less then you think. 

Ken -  I think I mentioned it but it was the hottest race I ever did. I was dripping from sweat the entire race except for the swim. 

I didn't really hold back on the bike I kind of new I was in for it on the run. 

I do like a few good bricks before a race! Makes me remember I'm a triathlete. I've done races with and without doing bricks and for me I like to do a few before the race. I seam to do better on the run after having done a few bricks. But during my training for the most part I don't do bricks or I don't count on them as run training.

I should have been clearer, you did say it was hot this year, I was wondering as a comparison to last year. 

BTW, I don't think I mentioned it Adam, but that is a blazing fast bike split!

My race as a whole was ok Sunday but my swim was great.  I finished 1st in my age group and about 25th overall.  The bike was fine and the run was ok but I was so excited about the swim that it didn't matter.  My group was 35 - 39 and 55 - 59 going off at the same time.  An older gentleman moved up right in front of me.  I didn't think much about until the horn went off. The fact that he had no goggles should have been a clue.  First thing he did was go straight to the breaststroke and boot me right in the jaw.  I got around him very quickly and was on my way.  One guy crossed my face and I thought I might have been off course.  I looked up and was right on line, so I kept swimming.  I was in smooth water with no one touching me (never happened before).  So I was thinking that I was way off line.  I looked up and I was almost at the first bouy.  I got to the bouy and no one was there so I took a second and looked around.  I was about 20 feet in front of everyone. What?!  I put my head down and kept swimming.  The rest of the way in I couldn't believe no one was catching me.

Another neat part of the race is that Jimmie Johnson and Kasey Kane were racing their first races.  Not sure how many Nascar fans are here but they were very nice guys.  They were very approachable and were very nice to everyone.  Lots of pictures and signatures for whoever wanted them and then they had some cold beers afterward.  I was impressed that Jimmie hit the wall at 190mph Sat night around 10 PM and was at the race at 7AM. 

My race as a whole was ok Sunday but my swim was great.  I finished 1st in my age group and about 25th overall.  The bike was fine and the run was ok but I was so excited about the swim that it didn't matter.  My group was 35 - 39 and 55 - 59 going off at the same time.  An older gentleman moved up right in front of me.  I didn't think much about until the horn went off. The fact that he had no goggles should have been a clue.  First thing he did was go straight to the breaststroke and boot me right in the jaw.  I got around him very quickly and was on my way.  One guy crossed my face and I thought I might have been off course.  I looked up and was right on line, so I kept swimming.  I was in smooth water with no one touching me (never happened before).  So I was thinking that I was way off line.  I looked up and I was almost at the first bouy.  I got to the bouy and no one was there so I took a second and looked around.  I was about 20 feet in front of everyone. What?!  I put my head down and kept swimming.  The rest of the way in I couldn't believe no one was catching me.

Another neat part of the race is that Jimmie Johnson and Kasey Kane were racing their first races.  Not sure how many Nascar fans are here but they were very nice guys.  They were very approachable and were very nice to everyone.  Lots of pictures and signatures for whoever wanted them and then they had some cold beers afterward.  I was impressed that Jimmie hit the wall at 190mph Sat night around 10 PM and was at the race at 7AM. 

Hi.

I think I am depressed.

...and getting "fat"...

::: Sigh :::

Hi Carla!  Whats the next goal?  Thats what knocks me out of the post IM funk! 

::: Looking around to see who is in ear shot ::: 
::: Whispering ::: ... well Ken... my next BHAG is...  ::: double checking the coast is clear :::
Ironman Canada!!!  Ssssshhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! 
Right now I am trying to figure out a supporting goal... need to check on an upcoming 10 miler.

Go Carla!!

::: Looking around to see who is in ear shot ::: 
::: Whispering ::: ... well Ken... my next BHAG is...  ::: double checking the coast is clear :::
Ironman Canada!!!  Ssssshhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! 
Right now I am trying to figure out a supporting goal... need to check on an upcoming 10 miler.

Hey guys,

I've been absent for the last few weeks with traveling for work.  I've been able to keep up with you guys on my phone a little and trying to get a run in whenever possible.  It seems like everyone is doing great. 

We're finally getting a break from the heat (at least for a few days) and I'm back at home for a while.  Getting back in the groove.  Hope everyone is having a good week of training.

Congrats Wesley!! Sounds like a breakthrough swim!!

Huge Nascar fan, although I find a lot of the current racing somewhat boring.  Did you beat those 2?

No, they both beat me but at least I got them in the swim.  Jimmie Johnson was second in our age group in the swim and his total time was about 1:11:00.  Kasey Kane finished around 1:10:00.  But I really can't say enough about how nice they were.  I'm guessing there must not be a whole lot of nascar fans doing triathlons.  At least not at the Charleston race last Sunday.  He and Kasey were just walking around with not many people talking to them.  I don't think many people recognized them.  They spent about 10 or 15 minutes just talking with me.  At the end of the race when the local news media starting talking to them, a lot more people started paying attention.  I haven't been able to get into the races too much the last couple of years.  Nascar definately needs to take a look at their product because most of the nascar fans that I know have all said the same thing.  I understand the safety issues but they need to do something to make the races a little more exciting. 

Progressing along with the PT.  First visit was all about the stretching and regaining range of motion, yesterdays 2nd visit added some strength training.  It is going to be time consuming as he is wanting me to do 2 sessions a day and it takes about 30 minutes or so, but doing it right will be worth it.

Spent some time discussing the progression and time line.  Looks like the 70.3 in Florida next May is a safe target for returning to tri's, with possibly doing an indoor tri in March. 

Still progressing with the run, up to 5 miles and feeling pretty strong.  Ready to start hitting the seemingly weekly 5K races coming up the next couple of months.  But not till after this weekends volunteer duty at Musselman!

What other training issues, topics you guys want to talk about?

Hi guys!  Anyone racing this weekend in the Musselman or Mini-Mussel?

I'll be heading up to the NY area tomorrow morning with my family for the Mini-Mussel on Saturday.  Figures that just before our long vacation my daughter falls from her bed in the middle of the night requiring a trip to the ER and stitches, then yesterday, I need to go to the dentist for an emergency root canal!  Hope I can get the fuel I need for the race through soft foods!

Looking forward to this weekend and hope to see some of you there!

hmmmmmm......

do any of you play around with tire pressure at all and/or have experience with different tire/tuber combo's?

I put on some Vittoria Open Corsa CX tires and latex tubes.  I usually run Conti Grand PRix 4000s and the max psi on them is 120.  The Open Corsa max is 140.  I used 135 rear and 130 front.  The ride felt FAST, but much rougher than my conti's.  I don't think I'll have time to make any more adjustments before the race.  However, Racine has a VERY bumpy section in the first and last 2-3 miles on the bike course.  I'm not sure if I should try to drop pressure in them.  What do you guys/girls think?

Ken - if you go at PT the way you stick with training, you should be fine in no time.

Brian - I don't have any insights on tire pressure but I'm interested to hear if anyone else does.  The Conti tubulars I ordered (can't wait to get them and get em on the new race wheels) can go up to 170lbs but I have no idea how I'll actually run them.

Vivian - Good luck on your race this weekend.

Training - Eh, my consistency seems to be getting better.  That's mostly because I changed my diet a week ago to get rid of what hurts my mornings the most, booze.  I changed plans for IMAZ on the fly.  I was using a BT custom plan, but I ignored the fact that my "performance membership" was expiring.  When it did, I figured I'd just renew when they offer one of the discounted periods.  Oops, my planned calendar was wiped out, along with the plan I was using.  Even if I renewed now, I think the timing would be all off, plus I already had Fink's book. 

So now I jumped over to week 12 of 30 of Fink's competitive plan.  I really only use it for volume mix and run intensity.  I've never followed a tri swim plan (masters or a varied swimmer's workout) and I'm using Jorge's bike plan (again...lets hope I can get through it this time).  So in the end, I should match Fink's volume (at least for now, not sure I'll be keeping up with 20hr weeks later on) with the extra intensity I need on the bike.