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2013-01-18 11:59 AM in reply to: #4543084 |
Pro 4482 NJ | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN I just got an email from NYRR re NYC marathon. I have until the 25th to make a decision. Defer to 2013, 2014, or 2015. Or, opt for 2013 spring half. Or, refund. Will pass on the half or the refund. It took me 3 years of rejects to get in. I'm waivering between 2013 or 2014. I won't have any more deferrals. Frankly, this is more generous than I expected but given their PR nightmare it was smart. I'm still just beginning to run regularly again and planning a HIM in June. I realize November is a long ways out but leaning to 2014. I think the 2013 race is going to be a zoo and I could use an easy year of base building. Decisions, decisions. |
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2013-01-18 12:02 PM in reply to: #4584594 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN bzgl40 - 2013-01-18 1:54 PM axteraa - 2013-01-18 10:30 AM My run in the cold didn't suck as bad as I expected. Only about a half kilometre that was really exposed to the wind that was really bad. That's bad a.. dude. That being said, I am still going to wait until it is above 50 here. Given the choice, I would wait for shorts and a t-shirt temps too. |
2013-01-18 12:03 PM in reply to: #4584611 |
Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN kcarroll - 2013-01-18 10:59 AM I just got an email from NYRR re NYC marathon. I have until the 25th to make a decision. Defer to 2013, 2014, or 2015. Or, opt for 2013 spring half. Or, refund. Will pass on the half or the refund. It took me 3 years of rejects to get in. I'm waivering between 2013 or 2014. I won't have any more deferrals. Frankly, this is more generous than I expected but given their PR nightmare it was smart. I'm still just beginning to run regularly again and planning a HIM in June. I realize November is a long ways out but leaning to 2014. I think the 2013 race is going to be a zoo and I could use an easy year of base building. Decisions, decisions. You have had a long time off due to injuries. If it were me and I was making smart decisions (I tend not to do that) I would opt for 2014 and really work on getting that base built up so that you minimize the risk of building too fast and getting injured again |
2013-01-18 12:44 PM in reply to: #4584626 |
Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN bzgl40 - 2013-01-18 10:03 AM kcarroll - 2013-01-18 10:59 AM I just got an email from NYRR re NYC marathon. I have until the 25th to make a decision. Defer to 2013, 2014, or 2015. Or, opt for 2013 spring half. Or, refund. Will pass on the half or the refund. It took me 3 years of rejects to get in. I'm waivering between 2013 or 2014. I won't have any more deferrals. Frankly, this is more generous than I expected but given their PR nightmare it was smart. I'm still just beginning to run regularly again and planning a HIM in June. I realize November is a long ways out but leaning to 2014. I think the 2013 race is going to be a zoo and I could use an easy year of base building. Decisions, decisions. You have had a long time off due to injuries. If it were me and I was making smart decisions (I tend not to do that) I would opt for 2014 and really work on getting that base built up so that you minimize the risk of building too fast and getting injured again x2... injuries can turn into a vicious cycle if you try to come back too fast. I finally found more patience. Wait till I think I'm healed. Figure out how long that took. Double it. |
2013-01-18 1:22 PM in reply to: #4584518 |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN axteraa - 2013-01-18 12:30 PM ChrisM - 2013-01-18 1:15 PM Can't say I like the 5' test any better :^ Looking forward to a nice long ride up Latigo Canyon in Malibu this weekend. Beastly number! My run in the cold didn't suck as bad as I expected. Only about a half kilometre that was really exposed to the wind that was really bad. Nice job Arend. And nice job on the 5min test Chris. |
2013-01-18 1:24 PM in reply to: #4584490 |
Expert 1260 Norton Shores, MI | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN ChrisM - 2013-01-18 12:15 PM Can't say I like the 5' test any better :^ Looking forward to a nice long ride up Latigo Canyon in Malibu this weekend. Nice job! Based on that 5MP number you have alot of upside in improving your 20MP. Always good to have a high ceiling! |
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2013-01-18 1:30 PM in reply to: #4584870 |
Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN rymac - 2013-01-18 11:24 AM ChrisM - 2013-01-18 12:15 PM Can't say I like the 5' test any better :^ Looking forward to a nice long ride up Latigo Canyon in Malibu this weekend. Nice job! Based on that 5MP number you have alot of upside in improving your 20MP. Always good to have a high ceiling! Thanks... So what's the takeaway from that, where the 5 MP number is 61W over the 20 MP number? Should the delta be smaller, and what's a more "ideal" delta? Was I in fact sandbagging the 20 (didn't feel like it....)? Edited by ChrisM 2013-01-18 1:31 PM |
2013-01-18 1:38 PM in reply to: #4584897 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN ChrisM - 2013-01-18 3:30 PM rymac - 2013-01-18 11:24 AM ChrisM - 2013-01-18 12:15 PM Can't say I like the 5' test any better :^ Looking forward to a nice long ride up Latigo Canyon in Malibu this weekend. Nice job! Based on that 5MP number you have alot of upside in improving your 20MP. Always good to have a high ceiling! Thanks... So what's the takeaway from that, where the 5 MP number is 61W over the 20 MP number? Should the delta be smaller, and what's a more "ideal" delta? Was I in fact sandbagging the 20 (didn't feel like it....)? If I had to guess, I'd say it means your coach will have you do more threshold focused workouts than V02 max. I don't know that there is an ideal delta or not. My impression is that a sprinter will have a bigger difference than a TT specialist. *disclaimer* - I sort of made that up... |
2013-01-18 2:15 PM in reply to: #4584926 |
Expert 1260 Norton Shores, MI | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN axteraa - 2013-01-18 2:38 PM ChrisM - 2013-01-18 3:30 PM rymac - 2013-01-18 11:24 AM ChrisM - 2013-01-18 12:15 PM Can't say I like the 5' test any better :^ Looking forward to a nice long ride up Latigo Canyon in Malibu this weekend. Nice job! Based on that 5MP number you have alot of upside in improving your 20MP. Always good to have a high ceiling! Thanks... So what's the takeaway from that, where the 5 MP number is 61W over the 20 MP number? Should the delta be smaller, and what's a more "ideal" delta? Was I in fact sandbagging the 20 (didn't feel like it....)? If I had to guess, I'd say it means your coach will have you do more threshold focused workouts than V02 max. I don't know that there is an ideal delta or not. My impression is that a sprinter will have a bigger difference than a TT specialist. *disclaimer* - I sort of made that up... Pretty much sums it up. Typically the 5MP number is in the 120%FTP ballpark but that certainly varies by individuals and their strengths/weaknesses. But as Arend says you will likely benefit much more from working on threshold type workouts in lieu of VO2. |
2013-01-18 2:19 PM in reply to: #4584626 |
Seattle | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN bzgl40 - 2013-01-18 12:03 PM kcarroll - 2013-01-18 10:59 AM I just got an email from NYRR re NYC marathon. I have until the 25th to make a decision. Defer to 2013, 2014, or 2015. Or, opt for 2013 spring half. Or, refund. Will pass on the half or the refund. It took me 3 years of rejects to get in. I'm waivering between 2013 or 2014. I won't have any more deferrals. Frankly, this is more generous than I expected but given their PR nightmare it was smart. I'm still just beginning to run regularly again and planning a HIM in June. I realize November is a long ways out but leaning to 2014. I think the 2013 race is going to be a zoo and I could use an easy year of base building. Decisions, decisions. You have had a long time off due to injuries. If it were me and I was making smart decisions (I tend not to do that) I would opt for 2014 and really work on getting that base built up so that you minimize the risk of building too fast and getting injured again Yeah, I think this is excellent advice. If it were me, I would want to be in the best position (physically) as I could while running the NY so that I could fully enjoy the experience and not be suffering through one of the largest marathons in the world. |
2013-01-18 2:53 PM in reply to: #4585022 |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN rymac - 2013-01-18 2:15 PM axteraa - 2013-01-18 2:38 PM ChrisM - 2013-01-18 3:30 PM rymac - 2013-01-18 11:24 AM ChrisM - 2013-01-18 12:15 PM Can't say I like the 5' test any better :^ Looking forward to a nice long ride up Latigo Canyon in Malibu this weekend. Nice job! Based on that 5MP number you have alot of upside in improving your 20MP. Always good to have a high ceiling! Thanks... So what's the takeaway from that, where the 5 MP number is 61W over the 20 MP number? Should the delta be smaller, and what's a more "ideal" delta? Was I in fact sandbagging the 20 (didn't feel like it....)? If I had to guess, I'd say it means your coach will have you do more threshold focused workouts than V02 max. I don't know that there is an ideal delta or not. My impression is that a sprinter will have a bigger difference than a TT specialist. *disclaimer* - I sort of made that up... Pretty much sums it up. Typically the 5MP number is in the 120%FTP ballpark but that certainly varies by individuals and their strengths/weaknesses. But as Arend says you will likely benefit much more from working on threshold type workouts in lieu of VO2. Yeah, Skiba put this nicely in one of his books. Take a 1 room house. The main room is all the aerobic conditioning. The ceiling is threshold. The roof is VO2. It can get hard to push both the top parts up by only expanding the bottom. And it's hard to get the top up higher without building up underneath as well. He didn't give any percentages like the 120% though. I've seen it around in a few places, and like has been said, it's for helping to guide what to work on more. Don't think I could hit the 120%FTP for 5 min now, so that's where I'll be doing more of the shorter intervals to address it. |
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2013-01-18 2:58 PM in reply to: #4585096 |
Seattle | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN brigby1 - 2013-01-18 2:53 PM rymac - 2013-01-18 2:15 PM axteraa - 2013-01-18 2:38 PM ChrisM - 2013-01-18 3:30 PM rymac - 2013-01-18 11:24 AM ChrisM - 2013-01-18 12:15 PM Can't say I like the 5' test any better :^ Looking forward to a nice long ride up Latigo Canyon in Malibu this weekend. Nice job! Based on that 5MP number you have alot of upside in improving your 20MP. Always good to have a high ceiling! Thanks... So what's the takeaway from that, where the 5 MP number is 61W over the 20 MP number? Should the delta be smaller, and what's a more "ideal" delta? Was I in fact sandbagging the 20 (didn't feel like it....)? If I had to guess, I'd say it means your coach will have you do more threshold focused workouts than V02 max. I don't know that there is an ideal delta or not. My impression is that a sprinter will have a bigger difference than a TT specialist. *disclaimer* - I sort of made that up... Pretty much sums it up. Typically the 5MP number is in the 120%FTP ballpark but that certainly varies by individuals and their strengths/weaknesses. But as Arend says you will likely benefit much more from working on threshold type workouts in lieu of VO2. Yeah, Skiba put this nicely in one of his books. Take a 1 room house. The main room is all the aerobic conditioning. The ceiling is threshold. The roof is VO2. It can get hard to push both the top parts up by only expanding the bottom. And it's hard to get the top up higher without building up underneath as well. He didn't give any percentages like the 120% though. I've seen it around in a few places, and like has been said, it's for helping to guide what to work on more. Don't think I could hit the 120%FTP for 5 min now, so that's where I'll be doing more of the shorter intervals to address it. That's a fantastic analogy. I had not heard that before. |
2013-01-18 3:54 PM in reply to: #4543084 |
Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN Shorts and a t-shirt run today. Love it. My new trainer is here and assembled, might put a bit of time on it tomorrow morning. And I officially put two events on my race calendar (the marathon and the Flagstaff bike ride). Things are shaping up (literally and figuratively). And it is going to be warm for my long run on Sunday!!! |
2013-01-18 3:56 PM in reply to: #4585096 |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN brigby1 - 2013-01-18 3:53 PM rymac - 2013-01-18 2:15 PM axteraa - 2013-01-18 2:38 PM ChrisM - 2013-01-18 3:30 PM rymac - 2013-01-18 11:24 AM ChrisM - 2013-01-18 12:15 PM Can't say I like the 5' test any better :^ Looking forward to a nice long ride up Latigo Canyon in Malibu this weekend. Nice job! Based on that 5MP number you have alot of upside in improving your 20MP. Always good to have a high ceiling! Thanks... So what's the takeaway from that, where the 5 MP number is 61W over the 20 MP number? Should the delta be smaller, and what's a more "ideal" delta? Was I in fact sandbagging the 20 (didn't feel like it....)? If I had to guess, I'd say it means your coach will have you do more threshold focused workouts than V02 max. I don't know that there is an ideal delta or not. My impression is that a sprinter will have a bigger difference than a TT specialist. *disclaimer* - I sort of made that up... Pretty much sums it up. Typically the 5MP number is in the 120%FTP ballpark but that certainly varies by individuals and their strengths/weaknesses. But as Arend says you will likely benefit much more from working on threshold type workouts in lieu of VO2. Yeah, Skiba put this nicely in one of his books. Take a 1 room house. The main room is all the aerobic conditioning. The ceiling is threshold. The roof is VO2. It can get hard to push both the top parts up by only expanding the bottom. And it's hard to get the top up higher without building up underneath as well. He didn't give any percentages like the 120% though. I've seen it around in a few places, and like has been said, it's for helping to guide what to work on more. Don't think I could hit the 120%FTP for 5 min now, so that's where I'll be doing more of the shorter intervals to address it. Hmm, interesting. My tests last month had my 5min work out to 122% of my FTP. Chris - for the record my 20MP test and 5MP were 40 watts apart (293 vs 253). I think you likely started that 20MP test a little too easy and were able to climb too much throughout. If you start the next one closer to your target wattage I think you'll get a truer (and higher) result. |
2013-01-18 4:19 PM in reply to: #4585242 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN bzgl40 - 2013-01-18 5:54 PM Shorts and a t-shirt run today. Love it. My new trainer is here and assembled, might put a bit of time on it tomorrow morning. And I officially put two events on my race calendar (the marathon and the Flagstaff bike ride). Things are shaping up (literally and figuratively). And it is going to be warm for my long run on Sunday!!! a good day all around for you! Remind me of the dates of the marathon and Flagstaff? |
2013-01-18 4:24 PM in reply to: #4585247 |
Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN GoFaster - 2013-01-18 1:56 PM brigby1 - 2013-01-18 3:53 PM rymac - 2013-01-18 2:15 PM axteraa - 2013-01-18 2:38 PM ChrisM - 2013-01-18 3:30 PM rymac - 2013-01-18 11:24 AM ChrisM - 2013-01-18 12:15 PM Can't say I like the 5' test any better :^ Looking forward to a nice long ride up Latigo Canyon in Malibu this weekend. Nice job! Based on that 5MP number you have alot of upside in improving your 20MP. Always good to have a high ceiling! Thanks... So what's the takeaway from that, where the 5 MP number is 61W over the 20 MP number? Should the delta be smaller, and what's a more "ideal" delta? Was I in fact sandbagging the 20 (didn't feel like it....)? If I had to guess, I'd say it means your coach will have you do more threshold focused workouts than V02 max. I don't know that there is an ideal delta or not. My impression is that a sprinter will have a bigger difference than a TT specialist. *disclaimer* - I sort of made that up... Pretty much sums it up. Typically the 5MP number is in the 120%FTP ballpark but that certainly varies by individuals and their strengths/weaknesses. But as Arend says you will likely benefit much more from working on threshold type workouts in lieu of VO2. Yeah, Skiba put this nicely in one of his books. Take a 1 room house. The main room is all the aerobic conditioning. The ceiling is threshold. The roof is VO2. It can get hard to push both the top parts up by only expanding the bottom. And it's hard to get the top up higher without building up underneath as well. He didn't give any percentages like the 120% though. I've seen it around in a few places, and like has been said, it's for helping to guide what to work on more. Don't think I could hit the 120%FTP for 5 min now, so that's where I'll be doing more of the shorter intervals to address it. Hmm, interesting. My tests last month had my 5min work out to 122% of my FTP. Chris - for the record my 20MP test and 5MP were 40 watts apart (293 vs 253). I think you likely started that 20MP test a little too easy and were able to climb too much throughout. If you start the next one closer to your target wattage I think you'll get a truer (and higher) result. I did notice that the 20MP test ave W number started lower and inched its way up. The 5MP number started way high and then dropped, then maintained (barely). Amazing what you think you can hold for 5 minutes and suddenly realize "shoot, I am in trouble here" |
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2013-01-18 4:27 PM in reply to: #4585285 |
Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN axteraa - 2013-01-18 3:19 PM bzgl40 - 2013-01-18 5:54 PM Shorts and a t-shirt run today. Love it. My new trainer is here and assembled, might put a bit of time on it tomorrow morning. And I officially put two events on my race calendar (the marathon and the Flagstaff bike ride). Things are shaping up (literally and figuratively). And it is going to be warm for my long run on Sunday!!! a good day all around for you! Remind me of the dates of the marathon and Flagstaff? April 20th and July 20th (I even had to rearrange my on call schedule) I should make a rule about only racing on the 20th this year. |
2013-01-18 4:28 PM in reply to: #4543084 |
Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN Also, I think it's been touched on before, but I saw a significant increase in power in aero over a similar feeling effort on the horns. |
2013-01-18 4:29 PM in reply to: #4585242 |
Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN bzgl40 - 2013-01-18 1:54 PM Shorts and a t-shirt run today. Love it. My new trainer is here and assembled, might put a bit of time on it tomorrow morning. And I officially put two events on my race calendar (the marathon and the Flagstaff bike ride). Things are shaping up (literally and figuratively). And it is going to be warm for my long run on Sunday!!! Spring's coming!!!! Won't be long before we're complaining about the heat. |
2013-01-18 4:29 PM in reply to: #4585293 |
Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN ChrisM - 2013-01-18 3:28 PM Also, I think it's been touched on before, but I saw a significant increase in power in aero over a similar feeling effort on the horns. That would make sense though right? Cause you get fit in that position so it is the most ideal position on that bike. And fit can affect power? |
2013-01-18 4:30 PM in reply to: #4585296 |
Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN bzgl40 - 2013-01-18 2:29 PM ChrisM - 2013-01-18 3:28 PM Also, I think it's been touched on before, but I saw a significant increase in power in aero over a similar feeling effort on the horns. That would make sense though right? Cause you get fit in that position so it is the most ideal position on that bike. And fit can affect power? Yeah, but I was kind of shocked at the number, like 30+ watts (total out of my a$$ number guess based on what I was looking at in the middle of my suffering) Edited by ChrisM 2013-01-18 4:31 PM |
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2013-01-18 4:44 PM in reply to: #4585297 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN ChrisM - 2013-01-18 6:30 PM bzgl40 - 2013-01-18 2:29 PM ChrisM - 2013-01-18 3:28 PM Also, I think it's been touched on before, but I saw a significant increase in power in aero over a similar feeling effort on the horns. That would make sense though right? Cause you get fit in that position so it is the most ideal position on that bike. And fit can affect power? Yeah, but I was kind of shocked at the number, like 30+ watts (total out of my a$$ number guess based on what I was looking at in the middle of my suffering) If your ability to do simple math in the middle of a trainer session is as good as mine, I wouldn't trust that number much. I find I can generate more power in aero as well, until I start getting really tired and my breathing gets laboured. At that point, it switches on me and I feel an overwhelming need to sit up. |
2013-01-18 5:04 PM in reply to: #4581688 |
Member 112 Danielson Ct | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN tri808 - 2013-01-16 6:08 PM With or without injury. The worse rides always involve snow and ice. The without injury story I laughed and the with injury I laid there and thought, oh crap, I have to face my wife! Take a pick.heykev - 2013-01-16 12:41 PM Made it out this morning for a ride in the snow storm before going to work, 5AM. Pretty slick and cold but the mtb did good. Roads were'nt plowed yet so it was interesting. Went down the road about a half of mile and saw a truck rolled over. A state cop was the so I just rolled up an the side of him to see if anyone was hurt. Should have seen the look on his face. An old man in reflective gear, cycling in a snow storm. I think he thought he was dreaming. Luckily the individual was ok. Glad the guy was okay... Just curious...what was the worst conditions you have ridden in during your streak. How far did you go, and after it was done...did you think it was worth it? |
2013-01-18 5:12 PM in reply to: #4585335 |
Member 112 Danielson Ct | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN Windy 24 degree ride today. Yup it's New England. Power swim technique class tomorrow at 5:30 a.m. Who swims at 5:30? I need to be up at 3:45 to get to this place. Early to bed tonight. |
2013-01-18 5:14 PM in reply to: #4585339 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia - OPEN heykev - 2013-01-18 7:12 PM Windy 24 degree ride today. Yup it's New England. Power swim technique class tomorrow at 5:30 a.m. Who swims at 5:30? I need to be up at 3:45 to get to this place. Early to bed tonight. Me! What is a power swim technique class? |
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