Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

Master

4101

Denver

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

Just out of curiousity... What if the bill was changed so that the changes to the health insurance and pension contributions stayed the same but the collective bargaining-removal was removed? Would that be an acceptable compromise or would it just make both sides unhappy?

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Libertyville, IL

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

PeterAK - 2011-02-17 3:07 PM

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 2:49 PM Then pay me the equivalent of my private sector colleague equivalent and remove the furlough days. You can't have it both ways.

Phil, honest question, have you considered seeking private sector employment in light of the impact of furlough days?

i know for a fact that US Bank and some other places did unpaid furlough days last year, so its not like the private secotor is immune. Of course, these can also be layoffs too.

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Elite

3491

In The Peleton

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 3:12 PM

JSA - 2011-02-17 2:36 PM When one does not understand the facts and does not understand the issues, one tends to resort to name-calling. The OP is simply employing that strategy with the hopes of winning over some folks on this thread.

Glad to see that you joined BT right at this time, and add all of your 4(?) posts to this thread. Or, perhaps you are an existing member needing to hide yourself behind a fake account violating the BT rules?

Phil, I know Joel personally. He's a triathlete and smart guy. He has not been on BT in the past but there are plenty of posts on ST under the same screen name.

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Libertyville, IL

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

bscharff - 2011-02-17 3:29 PM

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 3:12 PM

JSA - 2011-02-17 2:36 PM When one does not understand the facts and does not understand the issues, one tends to resort to name-calling. The OP is simply employing that strategy with the hopes of winning over some folks on this thread.

Glad to see that you joined BT right at this time, and add all of your 4(?) posts to this thread. Or, perhaps you are an existing member needing to hide yourself behind a fake account violating the BT rules?

I know the facts and I know the issues that I know.

I'm going over the Repair Bill and am reading up the information that is being provided to me from my employer, and NOT from the union.

I don't care about "hopes of winning over some folks on this thread". The opposition have spoken and I haven't slammed them. I accept with what they have to say.

All I care about is if I'm going to be treated in a particular way (as a private sector employee),
then make it so, but compensate me accordingly. My benefit compensation balances out the lower pay. You pay me lower, and then tack on furlough timeoff (no pay), and THEN have me pay more towards the benefits, that's double-jeopardy and is unreasonable.

Needless to say, I feel for the private sector persons that are having to go through this hassle because of the teachers that "called in sick".

Besides, NOBODY is winning in this.

Phil - I believe that the new bill eliminates furlough days... a minor point i know.. but just to clarify...

yep, thought i heard that as well.

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Iron Donkey

38643

, Wisconsin

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

bscharff - 2011-02-17 3:29 PM

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 3:12 PM

JSA - 2011-02-17 2:36 PM When one does not understand the facts and does not understand the issues, one tends to resort to name-calling. The OP is simply employing that strategy with the hopes of winning over some folks on this thread.

Glad to see that you joined BT right at this time, and add all of your 4(?) posts to this thread. Or, perhaps you are an existing member needing to hide yourself behind a fake account violating the BT rules?

I know the facts and I know the issues that I know.

I'm going over the Repair Bill and am reading up the information that is being provided to me from my employer, and NOT from the union.

I don't care about "hopes of winning over some folks on this thread". The opposition have spoken and I haven't slammed them. I accept with what they have to say.

All I care about is if I'm going to be treated in a particular way (as a private sector employee),
then make it so, but compensate me accordingly. My benefit compensation balances out the lower pay. You pay me lower, and then tack on furlough timeoff (no pay), and THEN have me pay more towards the benefits, that's double-jeopardy and is unreasonable.

Needless to say, I feel for the private sector persons that are having to go through this hassle because of the teachers that "called in sick".

Besides, NOBODY is winning in this.

Phil - I believe that the new bill eliminates furlough days... a minor point i know.. but just to clarify...

The wording I read was "does not intend to".

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Expert

1192

Oak Creek, WI

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

crowny2 - 2011-02-17 3:12 PM

JSA - 2011-02-17 3:02 PM

crowny2 - 2011-02-17 2:56 PM

JSA - 2011-02-17 2:46 PM

burhed - 2011-02-17 12:13 AM http://www.jsonline.com/business/29181264.htmlDo a search for "Wisconsin Department of Revenue, two-thirds of corporations pay no taxes" I will admit I didn't do a complete search (sorry, don't have the time to look at all the data), but to say that public employees needed to be treated the same as public is ridiculous when the corporations are not paying their fair share. From the bit in the linked article it looks like what they are doing is completely legal of course, but is is right? What's wrong with public workers being allowed to negotiate better pay and benefits? That is what is really being taken away. As UWMadTri mentions they have already taken furloughs and no pay increases over the last few years, they are making sacrifices just the public sector has done. Finally, why does everything have to be a race to the bottom?

You do realize that article was from 2006 and spoke about tax returns for 2003. What is "special" about 2003? It is the first year of Diamon Jim Doyle's reign of terror as Gov of WI.

What you do not understand here is that WI public workers have defined benefit plans, into which they contribute nothing. Show me anyone in the private sector with such a plan, especially on that does not cost them a dime.

WI public employees have the highest level of health insurance coverage in the state, yet most pay nothing for it and those who do, pay less than 40% that which is spent by private sector employee.

This has nothing to do with leveling the playing field. This has to do with the fact that we are broke. Per capita, WI's debt rivals CA. How would you suggest we get our house in order?

The Budget Repair Bill does not destroy unions and does not include pay cuts. It does require public employees to contribute to the enormous benefits they receive. How is that unfair?

Not according to this.

Wisconsin is in the lower quarter and California in the top quarter.

Wisconsin has the tenth worst financial condition, number 41, of all states in a ranking compiled by Forbes.com. Wisconsin has a debt per capita of $1,429, unfunded pensions per capita of $16,418, and debt as a percentage of Gross State Product of 22 percent. Our state is classified as a debt disaster.

http://www.franklinnow.com/blogs/communityblogs/87144437.html

Interesting. Thanks for the link. I think it shows that stats show what you want them to say.

Some other pieces that I think are worth including in the discussion.

http://www.dylanratigan.com/2011/02/17/david-cay-johnston-on-radio-free-dylan-2/

Quotes from the article.

The average Wisconsin state employee gets $24,500 a year.

The state pension plan, 15% of the money going into it each year is being paid out to Wall Street to manage the money. That’s a really huge high percentage to pay out to Wall Street to manage the money.

...go to GoodJobsFirst.org subsidy watch, you can see the tens and tens of millions of dollars over the years Wisconsin taxpayers have been forced to pay to give to corporations, to everybody from SC Johnson and Company in Racine to Harley-Davidson to various cheese companies that is massive amount of taxpayer gifts going to businesses instead of their competing in the marketplace.

with all due respect crowny... this interview is garbage... the points made are erroneous and misleading... and the inflammatory language serves no purpose in this discussion... if we are to post anything lets make sure it has a modicum of journalistic integrity...

the biz times recently posted 2 articles... one in favor (http://www.biztimes.com/blogs/milwaukee-biz-blog/2011/2/16/walker-is-right) and one in opposition (http://www.biztimes.com/blogs/milwaukee-biz-blog/2011/2/16/walker-is-wrong)... its hard to find anything unbiased on the subject...

and if anyone attempts to post anything from gwen moore i may just throw up...

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Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

JSA - 2011-02-17 2:13 PM

jszat - 2011-02-17 12:56 PM

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 7:52 AM

jszat - 2011-02-17 5:35 AM

Can someone clarify if teachers can negotiate on their own or if they are all part of the union?

As per a friend of mine who was a schoolteacher out of McFarland - when hired as a Wisconsin public schoolteacher, one automatically becomes a member of the represented teacher's union and mandatory dues are taken out of one's pay. However, each district has slightly different benefits provided within their contract.

I heard that UW 2-year campus professors/instructors do not have a union representative, though.

So basically they dont have a choice, and freedom is one of the arguments regarding collective bargaining? i wont claim to know the details, but um, huh?

That is correct. You have no choice. WI is in the minority of states in that it allows for "closed shops." That means, the union can obtain a clause in their union contract that requires all employees become part of the union to remain employed.

After the Budget Repair Bill is pass, Gov Walker will push to make WI a "Right to Work" state. That would put WI in line with that majority of states in the U.S. that prohibit provisions requiring that all employees join a union.

If there is a union, it is illegal for the employer to negotiate directly with employees represented by the union. Therefore, even if an employee does not want to be in a union, too bad. You are required to be in the union and you are required to be bound by whatever is contained in the union contract. It is illegal for the employer to bargain with you as an individual.

The Budge Repair Bill will take away a great number of these inequities.

yeah, that was kind of my understanding. so to reiterate, they are using freedom as a rally cry yet an individual has no freedom to seek better for themselves in this scenario. some very informative posts and welcome to BT.

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Iron Donkey

38643

, Wisconsin

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

drewb8 - 2011-02-17 3:32 PM Just out of curiousity... What if the bill was changed so that the changes to the health insurance and pension contributions stayed the same but the collective bargaining-removal was removed? Would that be an acceptable compromise or would it just make both sides unhappy?

Not my call.
But, I would be willing to add a little extra to the costs.

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3906

Libertyville, IL

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

PeterAK - 2011-02-17 3:34 PM

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 3:12 PM

JSA - 2011-02-17 2:36 PM When one does not understand the facts and does not understand the issues, one tends to resort to name-calling. The OP is simply employing that strategy with the hopes of winning over some folks on this thread.

Glad to see that you joined BT right at this time, and add all of your 4(?) posts to this thread. Or, perhaps you are an existing member needing to hide yourself behind a fake account violating the BT rules?

Phil, I know Joel personally. He's a triathlete and smart guy. He has not been on BT in the past but there are plenty of posts on ST under the same screen name.

i know sneaky pete. now there is a total d-bag.

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Iron Donkey

38643

, Wisconsin

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

jszat - 2011-02-17 3:41 PM

PeterAK - 2011-02-17 3:34 PM

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 3:12 PM

JSA - 2011-02-17 2:36 PM When one does not understand the facts and does not understand the issues, one tends to resort to name-calling. The OP is simply employing that strategy with the hopes of winning over some folks on this thread.

Glad to see that you joined BT right at this time, and add all of your 4(?) posts to this thread. Or, perhaps you are an existing member needing to hide yourself behind a fake account violating the BT rules?

Phil, I know Joel personally. He's a triathlete and smart guy. He has not been on BT in the past but there are plenty of posts on ST under the same screen name.

i know sneaky pete. now there is a total d-bag.

We need to go out for a beer, again, guys. It's been way too long. And, I haven't seen Peter-Peter's baby yet!

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Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 3:12 PM

JSA - 2011-02-17 2:36 PM When one does not understand the facts and does not understand the issues, one tends to resort to name-calling. The OP is simply employing that strategy with the hopes of winning over some folks on this thread.

Glad to see that you joined BT right at this time, and add all of your 4(?) posts to this thread. Or, perhaps you are an existing member needing to hide yourself behind a fake account violating the BT rules?

I know the facts and I know the issues that I know.

I'm going over the Repair Bill and am reading up the information that is being provided to me from my employer, and NOT from the union.

I don't care about "hopes of winning over some folks on this thread". The opposition have spoken and I haven't slammed them. I accept with what they have to say.

All I care about is if I'm going to be treated in a particular way (as a private sector employee),
then make it so, but compensate me accordingly. My benefit compensation balances out the lower pay. You pay me lower, and then tack on furlough timeoff (no pay), and THEN have me pay more towards the benefits, that's double-jeopardy and is unreasonable.

Needless to say, I feel for the private sector persons that are having to go through this hassle because of the teachers that "called in sick".

Besides, NOBODY is winning in this.

Feeling threatened by the new guy, huh? That's ok. I was invited to BT and to this thread to respond to the obscene inaccuracies contained herein.

I have read the 144 page bill. I have read the 44 page report from the legislative budget committee. I have already drafted summaries of the bill, the budget committee reports and the admendments introduced last night for publications that will go out early next week.

I have been bargaining public and private sector labor contracts for over a dozen years. I have drafted hundreds of proposals and reviewed thousands more. I am intimately familiar with collective bargaining in the public sector and in the private sector.

Those who feel victimized by the bill have been isolated from the harsh realities of our current economic climate. We, the people of the State of Wisconsin, are at fault. All of us. We allowed our elected leaders and our public officials to govern with no self-control. We allowed ourselves to become burried in debt. We have no where else to turn. We can print no more money.

Those who feel this is an attack on public sector employees are ignoring the very platform on which Gov Walker ran. He has set forth an agenda that will cause all of us -- everyone in this state -- some ecomonic pain. But, what choice do we have? Where else can we go?

It is time to wise up. It is time to get our house in order. We can discuss this all day and all night. If you like, I can answer any questions you or anyone else has about the actual bill and its real implications. We can debate the merits of the bill and possible alternatives.

Or, we can sit and whine to one another, call each other names, attack the new guy, and accuse others of wrong-doing.

Which way do you want to go? I kinda get a kick out of either ...

Elite

3491

In The Peleton

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

jszat - 2011-02-17 3:41 PM

PeterAK - 2011-02-17 3:34 PM

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 3:12 PM

JSA - 2011-02-17 2:36 PM When one does not understand the facts and does not understand the issues, one tends to resort to name-calling. The OP is simply employing that strategy with the hopes of winning over some folks on this thread.

Glad to see that you joined BT right at this time, and add all of your 4(?) posts to this thread. Or, perhaps you are an existing member needing to hide yourself behind a fake account violating the BT rules?

Phil, I know Joel personally. He's a triathlete and smart guy. He has not been on BT in the past but there are plenty of posts on ST under the same screen name.

i know sneaky pete. now there is a total d-bag.

Joe, are you still bitter that I used my supreme tactical strategery to beat you at the 2007 (was it 2007?) Tour de Cure?

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1192

Oak Creek, WI

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

JSA - 2011-02-17 3:45 PM

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 3:12 PM

JSA - 2011-02-17 2:36 PM When one does not understand the facts and does not understand the issues, one tends to resort to name-calling. The OP is simply employing that strategy with the hopes of winning over some folks on this thread.

Glad to see that you joined BT right at this time, and add all of your 4(?) posts to this thread. Or, perhaps you are an existing member needing to hide yourself behind a fake account violating the BT rules?

I know the facts and I know the issues that I know.

I'm going over the Repair Bill and am reading up the information that is being provided to me from my employer, and NOT from the union.

I don't care about "hopes of winning over some folks on this thread". The opposition have spoken and I haven't slammed them. I accept with what they have to say.

All I care about is if I'm going to be treated in a particular way (as a private sector employee),
then make it so, but compensate me accordingly. My benefit compensation balances out the lower pay. You pay me lower, and then tack on furlough timeoff (no pay), and THEN have me pay more towards the benefits, that's double-jeopardy and is unreasonable.

Needless to say, I feel for the private sector persons that are having to go through this hassle because of the teachers that "called in sick".

Besides, NOBODY is winning in this.

Feeling threatened by the new guy, huh? That's ok. I was invited to BT and to this thread to respond to the obscene inaccuracies contained herein.

I have read the 144 page bill. I have read the 44 page report from the legislative budget committee. I have already drafted summaries of the bill, the budget committee reports and the admendments introduced last night for publications that will go out early next week.

I have been bargaining public and private sector labor contracts for over a dozen years. I have drafted hundreds of proposals and reviewed thousands more. I am intimately familiar with collective bargaining in the public sector and in the private sector.

Those who feel victimized by the bill have been isolated from the harsh realities of our current economic climate. We, the people of the State of Wisconsin, are at fault. All of us. We allowed our elected leaders and our public officials to govern with no self-control. We allowed ourselves to become burried in debt. We have no where else to turn. We can print no more money.

Those who feel this is an attack on public sector employees are ignoring the very platform on which Gov Walker ran. He has set forth an agenda that will cause all of us -- everyone in this state -- some ecomonic pain. But, what choice do we have? Where else can we go?

It is time to wise up. It is time to get our house in order. We can discuss this all day and all night. If you like, I can answer any questions you or anyone else has about the actual bill and its real implications. We can debate the merits of the bill and possible alternatives.

Or, we can sit and whine to one another, call each other names, attack the new guy, and accuse others of wrong-doing.

Which way do you want to go? I kinda get a kick out of either ...

JSA... I was kind of hoping that you were the new 'girl'... because i think i [heart] you...!!!

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15211

Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

bscharff - 2011-02-17 3:37 PM

crowny2 - 2011-02-17 3:12 PM

JSA - 2011-02-17 3:02 PM

crowny2 - 2011-02-17 2:56 PM

JSA - 2011-02-17 2:46 PM

burhed - 2011-02-17 12:13 AM http://www.jsonline.com/business/29181264.htmlDo a search for "Wisconsin Department of Revenue, two-thirds of corporations pay no taxes" I will admit I didn't do a complete search (sorry, don't have the time to look at all the data), but to say that public employees needed to be treated the same as public is ridiculous when the corporations are not paying their fair share. From the bit in the linked article it looks like what they are doing is completely legal of course, but is is right? What's wrong with public workers being allowed to negotiate better pay and benefits? That is what is really being taken away. As UWMadTri mentions they have already taken furloughs and no pay increases over the last few years, they are making sacrifices just the public sector has done. Finally, why does everything have to be a race to the bottom?

You do realize that article was from 2006 and spoke about tax returns for 2003. What is "special" about 2003? It is the first year of Diamon Jim Doyle's reign of terror as Gov of WI.

What you do not understand here is that WI public workers have defined benefit plans, into which they contribute nothing. Show me anyone in the private sector with such a plan, especially on that does not cost them a dime.

WI public employees have the highest level of health insurance coverage in the state, yet most pay nothing for it and those who do, pay less than 40% that which is spent by private sector employee.

This has nothing to do with leveling the playing field. This has to do with the fact that we are broke. Per capita, WI's debt rivals CA. How would you suggest we get our house in order?

The Budget Repair Bill does not destroy unions and does not include pay cuts. It does require public employees to contribute to the enormous benefits they receive. How is that unfair?

Not according to this.

Wisconsin is in the lower quarter and California in the top quarter.

Wisconsin has the tenth worst financial condition, number 41, of all states in a ranking compiled by Forbes.com. Wisconsin has a debt per capita of $1,429, unfunded pensions per capita of $16,418, and debt as a percentage of Gross State Product of 22 percent. Our state is classified as a debt disaster.

http://www.franklinnow.com/blogs/communityblogs/87144437.html

Interesting. Thanks for the link. I think it shows that stats show what you want them to say.

Some other pieces that I think are worth including in the discussion.

http://www.dylanratigan.com/2011/02/17/david-cay-johnston-on-radio-free-dylan-2/

Quotes from the article.

The average Wisconsin state employee gets $24,500 a year.

The state pension plan, 15% of the money going into it each year is being paid out to Wall Street to manage the money. That’s a really huge high percentage to pay out to Wall Street to manage the money.

...go to GoodJobsFirst.org subsidy watch, you can see the tens and tens of millions of dollars over the years Wisconsin taxpayers have been forced to pay to give to corporations, to everybody from SC Johnson and Company in Racine to Harley-Davidson to various cheese companies that is massive amount of taxpayer gifts going to businesses instead of their competing in the marketplace.

with all due respect crowny... this interview is garbage... the points made are erroneous and misleading... and the inflammatory language serves no purpose in this discussion... if we are to post anything lets make sure it has a modicum of journalistic integrity...

the biz times recently posted 2 articles... one in favor (http://www.biztimes.com/blogs/milwaukee-biz-blog/2011/2/16/walker-is-right) and one in opposition (http://www.biztimes.com/blogs/milwaukee-biz-blog/2011/2/16/walker-is-wrong)... its hard to find anything unbiased on the subject...

and if anyone attempts to post anything from gwen moore i may just throw up...

You got that right!

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Iron Donkey

38643

, Wisconsin

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

JSA - 2011-02-17 3:45 PM

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 3:12 PM

JSA - 2011-02-17 2:36 PM When one does not understand the facts and does not understand the issues, one tends to resort to name-calling. The OP is simply employing that strategy with the hopes of winning over some folks on this thread.

Glad to see that you joined BT right at this time, and add all of your 4(?) posts to this thread. Or, perhaps you are an existing member needing to hide yourself behind a fake account violating the BT rules?

I know the facts and I know the issues that I know.

I'm going over the Repair Bill and am reading up the information that is being provided to me from my employer, and NOT from the union.

I don't care about "hopes of winning over some folks on this thread". The opposition have spoken and I haven't slammed them. I accept with what they have to say.

All I care about is if I'm going to be treated in a particular way (as a private sector employee),
then make it so, but compensate me accordingly. My benefit compensation balances out the lower pay. You pay me lower, and then tack on furlough timeoff (no pay), and THEN have me pay more towards the benefits, that's double-jeopardy and is unreasonable.

Needless to say, I feel for the private sector persons that are having to go through this hassle because of the teachers that "called in sick".

Besides, NOBODY is winning in this.

Feeling threatened by the new guy, huh?

Uhhh, should I?
Seriously, no.

That's ok. I was invited to BT and to this thread to respond to the obscene inaccuracies contained herein.

Thank you for reporting most of the true facts. It is appreciated.

I have read the 144 page bill. I have read the 44 page report from the legislative budget committee. I have already drafted summaries of the bill, the budget committee reports and the admendments introduced last night for publications that will go out early next week.

I have been bargaining public and private sector labor contracts for over a dozen years. I have drafted hundreds of proposals and reviewed thousands more. I am intimately familiar with collective bargaining in the public sector and in the private sector.

Those who feel victimized by the bill have been isolated from the harsh realities of our current economic climate. We, the people of the State of Wisconsin, are at fault. All of us. We allowed our elected leaders and our public officials to govern with no self-control. We allowed ourselves to become burried in debt. We have no where else to turn. We can print no more money.

The bolded was well-written (well, except for "burried", but that's neither here nor there ), and I respect that. Thank you.

Those who feel this is an attack on public sector employees are ignoring the very platform on which Gov Walker ran. He has set forth an agenda that will cause all of us -- everyone in this state -- some ecomonic pain. But, what choice do we have? Where else can we go?

It is time to wise up. It is time to get our house in order. We can discuss this all day and all night. If you like, I can answer any questions you or anyone else has about the actual bill and its real implications. We can debate the merits of the bill and possible alternatives.

Or, we can sit and whine to one another, call each other names, attack the new guy, and accuse others of wrong-doing.

Which way do you want to go? I kinda get a kick out of either ...

?I already stated what I wanted. Whether you work for the Gov. or not, you support one side. I don't support the same side, but perhaps a modification of it.

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Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

bscharff - 2011-02-17 4:54 PM
JSA... I was kind of hoping that you were the new 'girl'... because i think i [heart] you...!!!

Seriously!

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Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

I find it interesting that a thread titling Gov D-Bad (republican) is OK on this board but if this was about Obama and list as President D Bag it would be pulled.

Expert

1192

Oak Creek, WI

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

Pector55 - 2011-02-17 4:05 PM

bscharff - 2011-02-17 4:54 PM
JSA... I was kind of hoping that you were the new 'girl'... because i think i [heart] you...!!!

Seriously!

I'm not sure if this was posed as a question... or as agreement...?!? if its a question i suppose that i have to admit that i don't really [heart] JSA.. i'm kind of already taken (as the avatar may imply)... I just really liked his comments... okay, maybe i'd throw in a man hug... but thats where i draw the line...

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Iron Donkey

38643

, Wisconsin

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

RedShark - 2011-02-17 4:25 PM I find it interesting that a thread titling Gov D-Bad (republican) is OK on this board but if this was about Obama and list as President D Bag it would be pulled.

As I mentioned earlier, if bothers someone, then let the mods know and let them pull it. I don't have a problem with that.

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Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 2:28 PM

RedShark - 2011-02-17 4:25 PM I find it interesting that a thread titling Gov D-Bad (republican) is OK on this board but if this was about Obama and list as President D Bag it would be pulled.

As I mentioned earlier, if bothers someone, then let the mods know and let them pull it. I don't have a problem with that.

I don't think having it pulled was the point he was making.

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38643

, Wisconsin

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

bscharff - 2011-02-17 4:27 PM

Pector55 - 2011-02-17 4:05 PM

bscharff - 2011-02-17 4:54 PM
JSA... I was kind of hoping that you were the new 'girl'... because i think i [heart] you...!!!

Seriously!

I'm not sure if this was posed as a question... or as agreement...?!? if its a question i suppose that i have to admit that i don't really [heart] JSA.. i'm kind of already taken (as the avatar may imply)... I just really liked his comments... okay, maybe i'd throw in a man hug... but thats where i draw the line...

I think the adorable kids and lovely woman were Photoshopped in.

Edited by 1stTimeTri 2011-02-17 4:34 PM

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Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 4:28 PM

RedShark - 2011-02-17 4:25 PM I find it interesting that a thread titling Gov D-Bad (republican) is OK on this board but if this was about Obama and list as President D Bag it would be pulled.

As I mentioned earlier, if bothers someone, then let the mods know and let them pull it. I don't have a problem with that.

I don't have a problem with this not being pulled. I DO have a problem when something equal to this would be pulled if it was about Obama.

People got all mad just when people used the the term BO - even though the first family calls their dog that. And this is just one example.

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Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 4:28 PM

RedShark - 2011-02-17 4:25 PM I find it interesting that a thread titling Gov D-Bad (republican) is OK on this board but if this was about Obama and list as President D Bag it would be pulled.

As I mentioned earlier, if bothers someone, then let the mods know and let them pull it. I don't have a problem with that.

I don't have a problem with this not being pulled. I DO have a problem when something equal to this would be pulled if it was about Obama.

People got all mad just when people used the the term BO - even though the first family calls their dog that. And this is just one example.

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Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

RedShark - 2011-02-17 4:34 PM

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 4:28 PM

RedShark - 2011-02-17 4:25 PM I find it interesting that a thread titling Gov D-Bad (republican) is OK on this board but if this was about Obama and list as President D Bag it would be pulled.

As I mentioned earlier, if bothers someone, then let the mods know and let them pull it. I don't have a problem with that.

I don't have a problem with this not being pulled. I DO have a problem when something equal to this would be pulled if it was about Obama.

People got all mad just when people used the the term BO - even though the first family calls their dog that. And this is just one example.

Hey, quit double-posting.

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Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

bscharff - 2011-02-17 4:27 PM

Pector55 - 2011-02-17 4:05 PM

bscharff - 2011-02-17 4:54 PM
JSA... I was kind of hoping that you were the new 'girl'... because i think i [heart] you...!!!

Seriously!

I'm not sure if this was posed as a question... or as agreement...?!? if its a question i suppose that i have to admit that i don't really [heart] JSA.. i'm kind of already taken (as the avatar may imply)... I just really liked his comments... okay, maybe i'd throw in a man hug... but thats where i draw the line...

Ha! You guys here on BT are alright!

Back to the issue at hand -

Dem. Senators have fled the state and are currently held up at the Clock Tower Resort and Conference Center in Rockford, IL. I find that funny because when I interviewed for a co-op position at Sundstrand Advanced Aerospace in Rockford, while I was an engineering student at Purdue, it was simply the "Clock Tower Days Inn." I am uncertain how it obtained its "Resort" status, but, rest assured, they have taken great liberty with that term.

A "call" has been issued to the Dem. Senators to which they have not responded. As a result, law enforcement has been dispatched to arrest them, on sight, and bring them to the senate chamber, where they will be promptly arraigned. Per state law, the chamber doors will then be locked (literally) and the session will commence.

Given that these fugitives from the law have fled our fair state, local law enforcement are powerless to arrest them at their present location. This presents a great legal question of whether federal law enforcement may now be called to act. Probably not, because no actual crime has been committed, but, it is a fun debate, nonetheless.

This is no different that the actions of the Dem senators in Texas a few years back who also fled the state during debate on the state's budget bill.

It is a sad day in our fair state when our elected officials cannot be trusted with the powers we have given to them.

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