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drcherrybomb21 - 2012-03-06 7:01 AM I may be out.  Possible stress fracture.  MRI today.  Fingers crossed.

Sorry to hear- fingers crossed for you.

 

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MRI showed "stress related changes in bone."  I was on crutches for about a week and out of running for another.  I have been running again for this week and did 7 miles on Thursday.  My left quad feels like crap, but it's not like it was before I went for the MRI. 

My docs want me out, but my response was "pain is just weakness leaving the body."  If the pain gets severe where I can't bear weight on it again, I will have to be out.  I think this will be my last long course.  I think reading on the MRI was a bit of an over-read (I am a physician too and had a radiologist friend look at it too), but I definitely have some osteoarthritis in the knee as well.  I am 38 and I don't want a new knee by the time I'm 50.  I think I will stick to Olympics after this.  Running does not agree with me.

Sorry to hear about your injury. Have you given any consideration to starting with a plan of more frequent running and lower miles until these issues subside? As in, running 6 days a week on a more balanced mileage approach?

I run 4x/week.  2 short, 1 med, 1 long.  Increasing 10% per week.  I think it is pretty conservative. I don't want to run 6x/week.  My legs like a little rest even after the short runs.  The only change I would make is putting one of the short runs on an elliptical.  I just don't feel like paying for the gym.

I did a brick run today with some speedwork. I feel pretty good.  Now to get in the pool...

Granted everyone is different but I thought the same as you a few years ago. But I was constantly getting hurt. Feb 2011 I started with 6 runs a week using the 1:2:3 approach and today will be the first time I miss a workout since. That's hard to swallow. That's like 13 months of 6 a week. This ear infection is just too painful. So no run for me today.
What is the 1:2:3 approach. I only run three days a week. Never back to back. Am an older athlete and this is working so far with respect to injuries. Cross my fingers. None for three years.


2012-03-25 5:49 PM
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So, the basic premise of 1:2:3 is this.  Running unlike swimming and cycling takes a much larger toll physically on your body. There is a limit on how far and how fast/hard you can go over and over before you get seriously hurt.  With that in mind, breaking things down into more manegable smaller components seems to yield the best results for beginner runners.  The idea is to be able to run more and not get hurt. Running more will result eventually in running faster, so on and so forth. 

Unless you are an advanced runner and have been running your whole life.  In that case your probably running 6-7 days a week anyway.   

As Barry Pollock says in his great posts on ST: 

"Many triathletes are shocked at how slow they should be running. All of these runs should be at a pace where you can comfortably carry a conversation. How can this make you faster? You don’t run slow for the sake of running slow. You run slow so that you can run more. Hammering through 25 miles a week for an above average male triathlete is only going to hinder improvement. You shouldn’t be thinking about how to get more out of the running you do, but rather what you can do to run more. As your mileage builds toward 35-40 miles/wk, your paces will naturally come down as your aerobic system improves." 

So the structure for 1:2:3 can look two ways.  Time based approach or miles based approach.  I'll give an example of both below. The basic idea is that 1 = 1 long run which is 3 times your short run.  2 = 2 medium runs which are 2 times your short run and 3 = 3 short runs which is at x distance.  3 short, 2 mod, 1 long for six runs.  See below.  There is plenty more info out there on ST but that's the quick and dirty.  

Time:  

Mon - Off,

Tuesday - 15 Minutes

Wednesday - 60 Minutes

Thursday - 15 Minutes

Friday 30 Minutes

Saturday - 15 Minutes

Sunday - 30 Minutes

Miles:

Monday - Off

Tuesday - 3 Miles

Wednesday - 9 Miles

Thursday - 3 Miles

Friday - 6 Miles

Saturday - 3 Miles

Sunday - 6 Miles

 

2012-03-26 7:41 AM
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Thanks.  The approach is just about the only one I've seen that might make sense for me to try and run 6 days/week.  I might have to try it in the off season and see how it feels.  Would work very nice for a sprint/oly tri for me.
2012-03-26 8:04 AM
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hoffsquared - 2012-03-26 8:41 AM Thanks.  The approach is just about the only one I've seen that might make sense for me to try and run 6 days/week.  I might have to try it in the off season and see how it feels.  Would work very nice for a sprint/oly tri for me.

Again there's no harm in switching to it for a few weeks.  It's made me a much stronger and consistent runner.  Start off with low miles and time.  Repeat the weeks and if they are to easy gradually increase.  

More importantly stay injury free and have fun.

2012-03-26 8:11 AM
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gadzooks - 2012-03-26 8:04 AM

hoffsquared - 2012-03-26 8:41 AM Thanks.  The approach is just about the only one I've seen that might make sense for me to try and run 6 days/week.  I might have to try it in the off season and see how it feels.  Would work very nice for a sprint/oly tri for me.

Again there's no harm in switching to it for a few weeks.  It's made me a much stronger and consistent runner.  Start off with low miles and time.  Repeat the weeks and if they are to easy gradually increase.  

More importantly stay injury free and have fun.



I've been stuck in a rut of mid to long runs being around e same pace for 6 months. I'm going to try this as a different training approach for a few months

2012-03-26 8:21 AM
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hoffsquared - 2012-03-26 8:41 AM Thanks.  The approach is just about the only one I've seen that might make sense for me to try and run 6 days/week.  I might have to try it in the off season and see how it feels.  Would work very nice for a sprint/oly tri for me.

Again there's no harm in switching to it for a few weeks.  It's made me a much stronger and consistent runner.  Start off with low miles and time.  Repeat the weeks and if they are to easy gradually increase.  

More importantly stay injury free and have fun.



I've been stuck in a rut of mid to long runs being around e same pace for 6 months. I'm going to try this as a different training approach for a few months

The thing I like about this approaches that it really spreads the miles out nicely over a full week.  My body seems to absorb the stress much better this way and I PR'd my runs over and over again last year while being injury free.  That is the key for me.  Not being hurt!  

Interestingly, I think leading into Eagleman and Las Vegas worlds last year the most I ran in one week was about ~36 miles.  Figure that out.   Thats not even weekly long run of 12 miles based on the formula above.  



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gadzooks - 2012-03-26 8:21 AM
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gadzooks - 2012-03-26 8:04 AM

hoffsquared - 2012-03-26 8:41 AM Thanks.  The approach is just about the only one I've seen that might make sense for me to try and run 6 days/week.  I might have to try it in the off season and see how it feels.  Would work very nice for a sprint/oly tri for me.

Again there's no harm in switching to it for a few weeks.  It's made me a much stronger and consistent runner.  Start off with low miles and time.  Repeat the weeks and if they are to easy gradually increase.  

More importantly stay injury free and have fun.



I've been stuck in a rut of mid to long runs being around e same pace for 6 months. I'm going to try this as a different training approach for a few months

The thing I like about this approaches that it really spreads the miles out nicely over a full week.  My body seems to absorb the stress much better this way and I PR'd my runs over and over again last year while being injury free.  That is the key for me.  Not being hurt!  

Interestingly, I think leading into Eagleman and Las Vegas worlds last year the most I ran in one week was about ~36 miles.  Figure that out.   Thats not even weekly long run of 12 miles based on the formula above.  



interestingly, I did IMKY and Rev 3 CP full last August and September with a longest run of about 17. I think this year it'll be about the same distance but in less time. Granted my Rev 3 PR was only 11:50, but it was also 2 weeks after IMKY. I think a lot of that success was due to not trashing my body with absurd runs all summer.

gearing up for kinetic half in va and then eagle an I think 10-11 miles will be the longest playing with the plan here.
2012-03-26 10:51 AM
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I am assuming though that the weekly 3-2-1 structure runs include speed work, tempo pace, and moderate paced efforts, right? Doing that many miles all at an easy to moderate pace will not make you fast
2012-03-26 11:18 AM
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eyeofthetiger2007 - 2012-03-26 11:51 AM I am assuming though that the weekly 3-2-1 structure runs include speed work, tempo pace, and moderate paced efforts, right? Doing that many miles all at an easy to moderate pace will not make you fast

...and so the great debate begins.   One which I am not going to entertain really.  I like to let me racing speak for itself.   

I'll leave you with this food for thought.  Of all of the running I did last year... Starting 1:2:3 in early February 2011, and roughly 30 weeks of very focused training from Feb-Septermber, I probably only had 2-4 weeks with any very fast tempo or speed work type stuff.  Within those 2-4 weeks, I probably only ran hard for 50% of the runs that I did within those weeks. 

What I can tell you is I am not advocating "Easy" running.  A lot of this running is done at a fairly moderate to upper moderate aerobic intensity.  As you put the time in, you get stronger, your HR improves as does your paces.  Before long what was an easy pace become pedestrian.  You don't need to run at or greater than race pace to run fast in your races.  Your RUN workouts should always leave you feeling like you could have done more.  Your races should be your HARDEST run workouts.   

At the beginning of last year I remember most of my easier type runs were in the 8:00 min/mile range.  By June just after eagle man the same runs were in the 6:50-7:10 min/mile pace with the same exact HR.  Again, no speed work.  Consistent focused training to support hard race efforts.  

2012-03-27 3:58 PM
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Anyone not book a room yet?  Hyatt (Host Hotel) is $$$, but does have a few rooms left, though you have to call them, they are blocked out for the race.

Also be careful using a map function on travel sites; they don't account for the Chesapeake bay; they show Lexington Park hotels as 26 miles away, which is true if you could swim about 20 miles (I know you're thinking about that).  In reality, it's about a 2 hour drive from Lexington Park.

Hotels look pretty thin at this point...

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I just printed out the Athlete Guide for leisurely reading this weekend.  How is training going for everyone?  

I am ready for the weather to really warm up to get used to the heat.



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hoffsquared - 2012-04-06 1:02 PM

I just printed out the Athlete Guide for leisurely reading this weekend.  How is training going for everyone?  

I am ready for the weather to really warm up to get used to the heat.

2 weeks with an ear infection but training is getting much closer to what I'd like it to be.  This week will look like this and it only goes up from here:

16000 Yards Swimming

140 Miles Riding

35 Miles Running



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hoffsquared - 2012-04-06 1:02 PM

I just printed out the Athlete Guide for leisurely reading this weekend.  How is training going for everyone?  

I am ready for the weather to really warm up to get used to the heat.

2 weeks with an ear infection but training is getting much closer to what I'd like it to me.  This week will look like this and it only goes up from here:

16000 Yards Swimming

140 Miles Riding

35 Miles Running

That is your week total?  Gadzooks!!! 

Mine are...plan to get in about 10 miles on Saturday or Sunday.  Had a planned swim today but forgot the all important bathing suit.

S:  
2550.00 Yd
55m
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76.14 Mi
5h 28m 49s
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12.43 Mi
2h 07m 27s
2012-04-06 12:18 PM
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Gadzooks is right!  Now if I can only string another 8+ weeks of this together hopefully I'll be able to make it to the finish line.

2012-04-06 7:19 PM
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You are insane dude!! What are you gunning for this year 4:05? How did you do last year? How long have you been racing triathlons?

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eyeofthetiger2007 - 2012-04-06 8:19 PMYou are insane dude!! What are you gunning for this year 4:05? How did you do last year? How long have you been racing triathlons?
I'm not really gunning for a time. In fact I usually don't think of times until we get much closer to the race. I just want to get to the start line with no injuries and then have fun on race day. Last year I did ok but only had very limited run miles in me after coming off a big injury in 2008-2009. I started tris in 2006. I've been swimming since I was 6. Also only problem with time goals on this course...times can swing 10 minutes or more in the wrong direction if it's as hot as it can be. See 2008/2009 as an example. In 2008 it was 95 degrees at 5 am and the sun was not up yet.


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Speaking of temps, I wonder what the water will be this year. Last year I think it pushed above 80 by the time my wave went off.
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I just printed out the Athlete Guide for leisurely reading this weekend.  How is training going for everyone?  

I am ready for the weather to really warm up to get used to the heat.

2 weeks with an ear infection but training is getting much closer to what I'd like it to be.  This week will look like this and it only goes up from here:

16000 Yards Swimming

140 Miles Riding

35 Miles Running

That's close to what I am doing each week...
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I just printed out the Athlete Guide for leisurely reading this weekend.  How is training going for everyone?  

I am ready for the weather to really warm up to get used to the heat.

2 weeks with an ear infection but training is getting much closer to what I'd like it to be.  This week will look like this and it only goes up from here:

16000 Yards Swimming

140 Miles Riding

35 Miles Running

That's close to what I am doing each week...

That's cause your a freekin' animal! An ANIMAL!!!!

2012-04-09 11:01 AM
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I thought my weekly totals were getting big, but thats sick!

This is the week ahead - Swim 6K meters, Bike 130 miles, and run 25 miles.

I ran a 1/2 this past Sat and still recovering a bit today. I haven't been doing a lot of speed work, but crushed my PR. A Pretty tough course and I was able to run 1:22. One of my goals is to go sub 1:30 on the run at Eagleman, so this was a solid confidence booster. Obviously a lot of things in play for that too happen, but feeling good about the possiblility.

Glad to hear everyone is tearing it up!
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pauljra - 2012-04-09 12:01 PM I thought my weekly totals were getting big, but thats sick! This is the week ahead - Swim 6K meters, Bike 130 miles, and run 25 miles. I ran a 1/2 this past Sat and still recovering a bit today. I haven't been doing a lot of speed work, but crushed my PR. A Pretty tough course and I was able to run 1:22. One of my goals is to go sub 1:30 on the run at Eagleman, so this was a solid confidence booster. Obviously a lot of things in play for that too happen, but feeling good about the possiblility. Glad to hear everyone is tearing it up!

Wow 1:22 is a decent time and should certainly give you some confidence for Eagleman.  Nicely done.  



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So after 7 years of racing triathlons, it looks like this will be my first without a wetsuit. (Gotta love the northeast cool water temps)

For those who have done this before, love some insight. Here is what I am looking at,
1. No top for the swim and then put it on in transition. - Sounds like a wrestling match in the making
2. Speedskin - Great spend more money and the jury is out on whether or not these are worth it.
3. Get a 1 piece kit w/out pockets - Again spend more money, but I do need a new kit. I've never worn a one piece, but a couple training buddies swear by them. Looking at the De Soto Liftfoil.


And yes, I am over thinking this.....

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pauljra - 2012-04-23 3:17 PM So after 7 years of racing triathlons, it looks like this will be my first without a wetsuit. (Gotta love the northeast cool water temps) For those who have done this before, love some insight. Here is what I am looking at, 1. No top for the swim and then put it on in transition. - Sounds like a wrestling match in the making 2. Speedskin - Great spend more money and the jury is out on whether or not these are worth it. 3. Get a 1 piece kit w/out pockets - Again spend more money, but I do need a new kit. I've never worn a one piece, but a couple training buddies swear by them. Looking at the De Soto Liftfoil. And yes, I am over thinking this.....

Your not going to need a wetsuit for Eagleman.  The temps will be warm by race day.  Depends on your situation and what your trying to do.  If your looking for a podium in your AG or just looking to compete and have fun?  I raced last year and swam in just tri shorts with my top folded up and tucked into my shorts.  Pulled it up and had it on before I even got to my bike.  I think my results were ok last year.  

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Oh and yes you are over thinking it for sure!  There's other stuff to stress about. Plus it's only April right now.  I was about to have a speed suit overnighted to my hotel.  Glad I waited until Vegas to make that purchase.  You simply don't "NEED" it.
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Water temp in the Choptank is 61 degrees if anyone is wondering.  That's pretty warm for the third week in April - way ahead of average.
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