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 2009-03-13 6:07 PM in reply to: #2016692 |
Champion  8766       Evergreen, Colorado |  Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMsWe'll have to resurrect this thread after the first NAS IM event this year and as we'll watch IM Live and see if we see any non-racers come acroos the line. :-) Maybe they'll have a bouncer to rip the child from the finisher's arms just as they hand them a DQ tag! Yup. That would be CDA, right? Should be interesting..... |
| 2009-03-13 6:12 PM in reply to: #2016773 |
| Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs JorgeM - 2009-03-13 4:05 PM aggiecatcher - 2009-03-13 3:10 PM I laugh in the face of law!!! Frankly, if I finished, it wouldn't matter to me that I was DQ'd...that's my point...the picture alone would tell the story. I wouldn't plan on doing it, but if it happend spontaneously, so be it. Everyone would know I finished who mattered to me. I saw a guy bring his kids across at my last tri and I thought to myself, "good for him, you know his kids make a big sacrifice so daddy can race." Put some perspective on it...if it endagers racers (i.e. its done in a crowd, FOP'ers, etc), then I think they can DQ them for interfering with the race. However, if I limped down the victory chute and grabbed my son out of the crowd, it would be an amazing moment for me...not you, not the RD, but my son and I. No one means as much to me as my family. Am I entitled to bring them down the chute? No, I would be DQ'd right, so I would pay. It would be like punching a guy who touched my wife...worth it. At least you are open to admit what's this is really about. I just hope you live by that reasoning. At the end of the day, screw up rules or showing respect for others, even when someone's acts might upset or affect you in any way and you don't agree with their actions, please remember: they are entitled to do whatever they want! It might seem crazy to you but it might mean something to THEM. PS. Daddy could also choose to train enough just to be healthy and not race so he could spend more time with kids/wife. That would be a more valuable 'sacrifice', but we know it is not really about that but what he is entitled to I thought you were going to P.S. with - and it might even be a good lesson for the kids. Teaching them to do whatever it is they want to do, screw the rules, vs. teaching them the value of respecting the rules. But hey, I don't have any kids, so what do I know? As for CdA, I think that 99.9999 % of the racers tell their kids/familes, they can't come over. You know IM racers are rule freaks, look at all the reflective tape!!! (I'll admit, i bought some....) The .0001? Someone else mentioned.. snipers? |
| 2009-03-13 6:19 PM in reply to: #2016707 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs aggiecatcher - 2009-03-13 6:10 PM Would I do it? I can't possibly say for sure, but probably not since it would now be completely contrived. If the moment grabbed me, I don't believe I would regret it....man I've made some crazy sacrifices for my kids. Despite having achieved some pretty fun things in my career, the best moment of my athletic life was when my kids ran onto the green after I won a 5-day match play golf tourney last year. It was probably a once-in-a-lifetime moment (the win, their age, the moment). The picture is on my wall, the plaque is in a box in the garage. Sometimes rules are made to be broken...but, I agree this one is a big price to pay!!! "I'm just a cave man lawyer, I can't understand your modern ways." But what if they ran out onto the green while you were making your putt? Does that make sense to the corresponding situation? I have 3 wonderful little guys, 9, 6 and soon to be 3. They are uber important to me and we have a great relationship and they are all supportive of my endeavors. But the race is MINE. Not theirs. I've had no desire to take any of them across any line. In fact, when I did pace my oldest son during his only "official" 5k I peeled off with about 300 meters to go so he could have HIS finishing time that he worked hard for. Very proud moment for me seeing him cross the line ..... by himself!! Edited by Daremo 2009-03-13 6:21 PM |
| 2009-03-13 6:43 PM in reply to: #2010726 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs This rule has more in common with the ban on iPods than drafting. 10-20 years ago, when Ironman was still a small event, the novelty of crossing with family members got it's start and it was charming and all. Now the sport and the events have grown to such proportions that WTC had decided, and has been tightening down on this for a few years, that large group family finishes are becoming too problematic, both from a safety issue for participant and family member (who did not have to sign the same waivers as the athlete), general overcrowding at the finish line, and respect for other participants. It's not unreasonable and it's the norm ina ll other sporting events which have a finish line and yet no one complains when they can't cross the line at the NYC or Boston Marathon with junior in tow. Why should Ironman be any different? Because it was once? The rule has been made. It's OK if you don't like it or agree with it but you either follow it or face the consequences. Simple. Ironman isn't a democracy, it's a sporting event which has rules. Some of the comments in this thread are silly, but that's just my opinion. Edited by bryancd 2009-03-13 6:45 PM |
| 2009-03-14 8:05 AM in reply to: #2016787 |
Regular 185 New New York | Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs I thought you were going to P.S. with - and it might even be a good lesson for the kids. Teaching them to do whatever it is they want to do, screw the rules, vs. teaching them the value of respecting the rules. But hey, I don't have any kids, so what do I know? That's how I look at it. I also don 't have kids so there's no way I can possibly understand that the rules no longer apply to you after you have them but if I did I'd explain to them that you can't run across the finish line unless you do the entire race. This would teach them to respect the rules of the game and that some things require sacrifice to accomplish. |
| 2009-03-14 10:05 AM in reply to: #2017415 |
Champion 10157 Alabama | Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs Bender - 2009-03-14 8:05 AM I thought you were going to P.S. with - and it might even be a good lesson for the kids. Teaching them to do whatever it is they want to do, screw the rules, vs. teaching them the value of respecting the rules. But hey, I don't have any kids, so what do I know? That's how I look at it. I also don 't have kids so there's no way I can possibly understand that the rules no longer apply to you after you have them but if I did I'd explain to them that you can't run across the finish line unless you do the entire race. This would teach them to respect the rules of the game and that some things require sacrifice to accomplish.
I really don't think it's the children that need a lesson...it's the parents. I doubt there are many children who "want to cross the finishline with mama". I would guess it's usually the parent that want their children to 'share the moment' with them. But maybe I'm wrong. I used to give lots of advice about children....till I had a couple. ;-) ~Mike |
| 2009-03-14 10:28 AM in reply to: #2017415 |
| Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs Bender - 2009-03-14 9:05 AM I thought you were going to P.S. with - and it might even be a good lesson for the kids. Teaching them to do whatever it is they want to do, screw the rules, vs. teaching them the value of respecting the rules. But hey, I don't have any kids, so what do I know? That's how I look at it. I also don 't have kids so there's no way I can possibly understand that the rules no longer apply to you after you have them but if I did I'd explain to them that you can't run across the finish line unless you do the entire race. This would teach them to respect the rules of the game and that some things require sacrifice to accomplish. Because that's NOT the case - having kids does not make you more entitled than the rest of the world and it CERTAINLY DOES NOT mean that you are allowed to break the rules!!!!! That logic, when people use it, is by far the dumbest logic I've ever heard. Nowhere in the rules does it say "single, childless losers may not bring their friends or family across the finish line, but if you've got kids, you're special!! So screw the rules!" Nope, doesn't say that. And before anyone makes any assumptions - I happen to love children. I want them some day and one of the reasons that I do not at the moment is because I'm not married. If I ever get married, I will have a family. But I will also follow the rules - if it says no kids, that means no kids. |
| 2009-06-21 2:03 PM in reply to: #2010726 |
Champion 10157 Alabama | Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs So today we'll see if IM is actually going to enforce this rule. I say 'no' but I'm often wrong. :-)
~Mike |
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