NRA: Armed guards for schools is the answer (Page 6)

Apparently.  But I'm not going to waste my time putting it in one syllable words.

Last line:

"It may be a solution, but it's a BAD one, IMO.  Sad we would even have to consider it.  Guns at schools and around kids is just a bad idea..."

Not sure where that elludes to "take all the weapons away" or "don't trust security guards at school".

My opinion is pretty simple and a simplified version of what I wrote. 

Cops with guns, good.  F B I with guns, good.   Guns near lots of kids, bad.  Men with guns at shools, bad. 

This one hit a little close to home. 9th grader!!Few miles from my house at the school my nephews attend. What the hell is wrong with a 9th grader that he wants to kill? Copycat?

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."  How can that possibly be debated?  If my daughter leaves her window open at night and I hear a cry and find a guy on top of her with a knife, should I :

A.  Call the police?

B.  Call the police and pray?

C.  Call the police and pray real hard?

D.  blow his stinkin head off? 

You only get one answer. 

A competent, trained security guard/police officer in every school makes perfect sense. 

Admittedly, I have read maybe 20 posts in this thread......after sitting in meetings about this subject all week I'm a bit worn out with it.  Here's a couple of thoughts fro what I've heard this week.

Forget arming teachers.....they don't want it. Yes, there are exceptions....they are part of a giant minority.

We've had cops in schools for over a decade.....it doesn't cause a problem and I don't know of an incident at a school with a Police Officer posted there. (notice I did NOT say security guard)  I'm not saying there hasn't been one, I just couldn't find one.

Putting a cop in EVERY school in the country will be outrageously expensive.  We charge the school district $53,000 per year plus $8,000 per vehicle for each officer.  That doesn't count private and parochial schools.....think about it.  Our district currently has an Officer in the High School and one that splits time between 3 Middle Schools...none for the 5 grade schools, none for the 16 other schools in our area.....and then we still  haven't taken into account day care centers.....anyone care to do the math?  Is that  money well spent?  I'm asking......you all make the decision, we don't.

There is mush retrofitting that can be done at schools to make them safer...doors that only open outward, bullet proof/unbreakable glass on all ground floor windows, panic alarms that go directly to Police departments, etc......the list is long.......anyone care to do the math on this one?

I don't know what the answer is.....I wish I did.  People have shot up malls, movie theaters, restaurants, colleges, subways, and on and on.  I don't feel less safe at any of those places.  I don't worry about my kids at school.  Maybe I just refuse to live in fear....I sure as hell don't want to see any more kids killed, but I'm not sure I would if NOTHING was done.

My son's high school had 2 threats of violence for today.....he said there were 8 officers at his school all day.

This was our text exchange as school got out:

Him:  Now comes the most suspenseful part of the day, heading into the commons to get to the bus. haha

Me:  Run in a serpentine pattern. LOL

Him:  Tally Ho!!!!!!

Don't be afraid, and let's not have a knee jerk reaction to this......maybe there is an answer to help keep our kids safer....but maybe not....I would bet that we lose less of our kids to accidents and murder than at any other time in history.  Prove me wrong.

Arming teachers simply isn't going to happen. Texas allows teachers that have a CCW to carry on school property... but nobody is going to ask, or require teachers to carry. That is the job of the police dept. We may or may not be willing to pay for it, but that is who should do it. We certainly are not going to be asking the schools to provide a security guard force to guard schools.

Life is not a multiple choice test. The problem with your choices is also that it avoids the other options - call the police and shoot the bad guy. Call the police and bring out the shotgun (that distinctive sound of chambering one - even if it is actually empty - tends to stop a lot of people in their tracks). Call the police and hit the guy with your ice axe/machete/baseball bat/shovel/sledgehammer/iron pry bar. Call the police and pepper the guy with knife at close range with paintballs - non-lethal but will drive him off. Call the police and nail him in the 'nads with a hockey stick. Call the police while the dogs take the guy down and keep him at bay. Take any of the actions while your wife calls the police. Don't call the police, but bash the guy on the head with a long handled sledgehammer, knocking him out. Send your daughter away. Use duct tape, zip ties and a big u-lock around the neck to hold the guy to a pole in your basement. When he comes to, slide a bucket his way and a jug of water. Basically, re-enact the first couple of episodes of Breaking Bad...

See? You don't have to be passive. And you don't to have risk a stray bullet hitting your daughter, either. And if your fantasies run towards hurting the bad guy, you can even go further than what you left on your little list.

this may have been mentioned elsewhere in the thread (did not read the whole thing my bad) but

-Columbine had an armed guard. He missed 4 times

-Virginia Tech had its own police force described as a SWAT team

I do not want to see schools become fortresses nor islands. They are institutions of learning, where our children also learn trust and empathy. Having a teacher packing heat does not bring up the warm nurturing environment I want for them nor will it stop the random acts of violence.

My wish list:

-an AWB with teeth - not one with loopholes and workarounds

-ban on high capacity magazines except at gun ranges

-registry of all guns and gun owners

-tracking of ammunition sales (we track sudafed )

-longer waiting periods and better background checks which also means ending private sales of guns to get rid of the gun show loophole.

yes I understand that criminals will not obey these laws. That argument is moot. Fewer weapons out there means less chance they land in the wrong hands.

Fewer weapons means when someone becomes suicidal/homicidal they are less likely to have the means to achieve that end.

finally:

You can have everything on your wish list.  All I ask is that you start by repealing the 2nd amendment.  

Because I don't want restrictions like that being applied to my other constitutional rights.

I work in higher education. I have a Ph.D. as do most of my colleagues. I can emphatically say that level of education has nothing to do with ability to be responsible. I wouldn't trust most of them with anything outside of work.

-ban on high capacity magazines except at gun ranges

I'm not sure how that will work. Are you suggesting that gun ranges rent them out or store them for customers?

-tracking of ammunition sales (we track sudafed )

Most handgun ammo comes in boxes of 50 rounds, rifle twenty. How many rounds purchased would trigger a red flag and what would determine that number? Fifty rounds would inflict a lot of chaos.

Do have any idea how many crimes semi-automatic rifles are involved in...< 10%. They were involved in shootings that killed more than 4 people 35 times in the last 30 years.. And all I could find on that was of the 142 guns used in those events... 35 of them were rifles. I do not know how much those were used. So 35 guns in 30 years requires the complete ban of them all together of the roughly 30 million that are owned?

I'm not being unreasonable... all you are doing is effecting those that are not a problem... and admitting it will do nothing to those that are. But it is OK to effect millions of people not doing anything... just for the giggles that it "appears" like we are.

If I can afford to shoot 1000 rounds a month... then it is none of your business, and I'm not doing anything remotely illegal or bad.

When I shoot those 1000, if I want to change magazines and load them 30 times instead of 100 times.. it matters not one bit to you.

Longer waiting periods do nothing to end gun violence, period. Most people don't snap, buy a gun, and go shoot someone. Those that do something bad, already have one one way or another. Then again, me waiting is no big deal either... just as long as everyone thinks we are accomplishing something.

But obviously, your goal isn't to actually solve the problem of gun violence... it's just to solve the problem of people owning guns, and that isn't going to happen.

The only thing I will agree with is gun shows. Nobody should be allowed to sell guns at a gun show without a FFL and background check. Other than that, when you allow the government to regulate all private sales... then maybe you can regulate private gun sales.

Are you suggesting Senators are unaware what the heck they're talking about when suggesting laws? I'm stunned at such an accusation!

yes -store/rent at ranges

we track EVERY package of sudafed - whether you buy a box with 10 pills or 100 why would it be tougher for 50 bullets?

TriToy - I am virtually impossible to offend, so your picture doesn't....in fact, I find it somewhat comical.  It's comical in that you continue to throw crap against the wall to see what may stick.  

How about this......I'll find a picture of someone dying on the operating table after a routine surgery.....the caption will be, "Doctors cutting into bodies, what could go wrong?"......would that cover the amount of malpractice and incompetent doctors in our country?

I've told you all along, if you continue to make your argument based on emotion you will get NOTHING from the other side.  They are laughing at you.  You have to at least present facts, present accurate data, present a reason why any changes in gun laws will prevent mass shootings.  So far, you've got nothing.

It may be that we can't, or shouldn't, do anything about the 400,000,000 guns in our society (growing with each emotionally charged sentence you, and others, pen.....yes, you scare gun owners and others into buying more guns)....but we're never going to know the way you are going about it....because nobody will listen to ignorance.

so you ignore the facts that there have been armed guards at mass shooting - and accuse me of just being emotional - got it.

Would love to see more data - but this happened:

Again, you're showing your ignorance.  Sure, there was a Police Officer at Columbine, and Virginia Tech had it's own Police force.

1. Police don't respond the active shooters the way they did at Columbine....that was virtually the first time.....we learned.  We don't train that way anymore.

2.  An elementary school is NOT a college campus....I don't know where those cops were....but I bet today they are in every building where kids are.....we adapt.  

I just want you to name a single change you propose that would have stopped Sandyhook....just one.  The person responsible for the deaths of those children probably never even heard of any type of gun law.....nor cared.

As for the article you site....I won't read it, I'm not a member of the NRA, and I never will be.....unless you make me.