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2015-03-12 1:04 PM
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Awesome job! Trainers definitely help a lot, especially when you find a really good one.

I also like how you took a drinking buddy and are trying to turn them into an activity buddy. I find most of my friends want to hang out at Happy Hours, so I often try to find activities for us to do together that are not drinking related (or they are followed by drinking )


Thanks! She's not cheap, but if I come away from every session feeling this good, it'll be worth it.

Honestly, most of my buddies are the drinking kind! Not terribly sure how to switch them all over, but doing something active and THEN drinking seems like a start, for sure.

As I'm tracking calories more fastidiously, I'm realizing how much my beer habit is tanking my diet. I had three PBR tallboys yesterday (not even worth it, just all that was around at the house show I went to) and they cost me almost 600 calories, yikes. Eliminating the mediocre stuff like that is an easy change to make, but I just don't want to cut back on my porter/black ipa habit.


2015-03-12 1:13 PM
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Gretchen - I have had trouble with bike spokes too. I was 275 lb when I started riding and I was breaking spokes over a set of train tracks repeatedly. How old is your bike? My spokes were corroding near the hub and that is where they were all breaking. I eventually replaced the wheel (more than just the spokes were corroded). One LBS here suggested I try wheels for a tandem bike which I thought overkill. Another thing that helped me was to make sure my wheel was kept true. Check YouTube videos but be careful it can be easy to make it worse! I made myself a rig with my bike trainer and I take the tire off to true the wheel when it is not a simple minor adjustment. Also keeping your tires inflated to the correct pressure should help. The other thing that happened to me is as I transitioned from a mountain bike to a road bike I really didn't change my riding style much and my experience is that the road bike needs more careful treatment especially when you cross train tracks, patches or gravel etc.

Originally posted by drfoodlove

Reading over my last couple of posts, clearly I'm not yet quite good at quoting others (and editing those quotes to make the post shorter). Sorry for anyone whose text I co-opted unintentionally!!

Couple more good workouts, and a bonus that neither has been associated with foot pain! Yesterday I got in a nice 1850 yd swim at noon. Had a nice sleep in this morning (hey, it is Spring Break!) and then hit the spin bike for an hour with sprint intervals and seated hill climbs (86 & 87/400). I would love to take my bike out, but I broke a spoke last fall and it is in the shop. It would be a miracle if they got it back to me today, we are supposed to have 67F and sun here this afternoon. I would totally play hookey from the things I'm supposed to be doing to enjoy that!

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Last spring I had my bike tuned up. First ride after the tune up, I broke a spoke (first time ever breaking a spoke). Had it fixed. Then, all summer I had issues with spokes. I broke four last summer in total, at least three of them were on turns (all four maybe, but I can confidently say three of them were). I talked to the guy at the LBS yesterday about this issue and whether given my weight (300+) I should consider new wheels designed for heavier folks. He said that weight isn't usually the cause of broken spokes, but instead the pressure put on the spokes by the gears (and the lack of pressure on the other side). He also said that the spokes put on wheels by the manufactures are generally poor quality and suggested that I have the entire wheel re-spoked. So, that is what I am doing. Any thoughts on the causes of broken spokes and/or whether this guy is just blowing smoke up my...? I generally like this shop, but not this particular guy at the shop. I've never felt that they were dishonest with me or anything like that, I just don't know enough.

Also, is changing a spoke something I should be able to do myself? I saw it in the bike maintenance book I bought, but it looks quite complicated and seems to require several specialized tools.

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2015-03-12 1:14 PM
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Originally posted by whichwayisdown
Originally posted by nicole14e Awesome job! Trainers definitely help a lot, especially when you find a really good one. I also like how you took a drinking buddy and are trying to turn them into an activity buddy. I find most of my friends want to hang out at Happy Hours, so I often try to find activities for us to do together that are not drinking related (or they are followed by drinking )
Thanks! She's not cheap, but if I come away from every session feeling this good, it'll be worth it. Honestly, most of my buddies are the drinking kind! Not terribly sure how to switch them all over, but doing something active and THEN drinking seems like a start, for sure. As I'm tracking calories more fastidiously, I'm realizing how much my beer habit is tanking my diet. I had three PBR tallboys yesterday (not even worth it, just all that was around at the house show I went to) and they cost me almost 600 calories, yikes. Eliminating the mediocre stuff like that is an easy change to make, but I just don't want to cut back on my porter/black ipa habit.

 

I have the opposite problem. I plead and beg with my Saturday group ride comrades to go for a beer afterward but no one has ever taken up the offer. In fact, that's why I like this group so much. Some folks have mentioned their love of BDAS being that it's full of 'normal' people. I'm the type that falls into the hyper competitive over zealous annoying professional wannabe-types. But I also like beer. And none of my other hyper competitive over zealous annoying pro wannabe compadres are as excited about chilling out with a delicious IPA as I am. They're more about coffee or tea and trying to emulate the stereotypical European cycling culture... So here I am. I bought a 6 pack of Muskoka IPAs. It's a sampler of ever increasing hoppiness. The first two are 30 IBU, the second are in the 50s range and the third are 94IBU. Delicious stuff. 

2015-03-12 1:23 PM
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Originally posted by adempsey10

Originally posted by Moonrocket Archaeological evidence is usually housed in warehouses or museums somewhere but the items are catalogued, photographed and then published (eventually) in journals. It's painstaking though because archaeology reports can take up to 20 years to get published sometimes, which is incredibly annoying. 

In defense of the archaeologists, 20 years is sometimes how long it takes! I am currently working with our team to write up the findings of our most recent cemetery excavation and bioarchaeology analysis (this is what I do) project. The project started in 2005. It took 10 years to get to the place where we could draw meaningful conclusions. It will take us another 2 years (with luck) to publish the monograph of the project.

Yea, funding is usually the cause for taking so long to publish in my neck of the woods. Sometimes though its ego. Way back in the 60s the Derveni Papyrus was discovered in Greece and it included some of the oldest known texts from some really obscure but interesting sources, namely fragments of Heraclitus and some Orphic stuff. The editio princeps was finally published 5 years ago. It was taking so long to be published that some scholars went to the museum where it was displayed, took pictures, copied it out and published a bootleg copy in the back cover of a reputable journal without any attributions. For almost 20 years that was the only available text of the papyrus. It caused a lot of hu-bub in the classics community. But it became almost a weird point of pride because scholars felt cool working with a 'bootleg' copy of something --like they had got their hands on a Grateful Dead bootleg or something...

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They're more about coffee or tea and trying to emulate the stereotypical European cycling culture... So here I am. I bought a 6 pack of Muskoka IPAs. It's a sampler of ever increasing hoppiness. The first two are 30 IBU, the second are in the 50s range and the third are 94IBU. Delicious stuff. 



Something about coffee/tea after a bike ride just doesn't sound satisfying! That IPA sampler sounds amazing, gonna add that to my wish list.

Speaking of, does anyone use Untapped? It's a great little app with a social component that lets you track the beer you drink, and there are silly badges and whatnot. I find it's a great way to see what my friends are drinking!

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I love that app. My username is adempsey10. same as here. 



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Alan, that stinks that no one takes you up on that! Keep trying, you will find someone eventually :-) I agree with Mel, a beer is much more satisfying after a ride!

I would get that beer app, but you all would be so disappointed in me if you saw the beers I drink regularly. Does anyone have any suggestions of good beers that are not very hoppy? I feel like I may have to start just drinking the hoppy beers so eventually I acquire a taste for them. Usually when I find a beer I stick with it and don't venture out much (we have one in Baltimore called the Raven Special Lager...I'm pretty sure I mentioned it when I first joined the group. It's Edgar Allan Poe themed, and it's also light and delicious, so that is my go to whenever it is available.
2015-03-12 2:00 PM
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Originally posted by nicole14e Alan, that stinks that no one takes you up on that! Keep trying, you will find someone eventually :-) I agree with Mel, a beer is much more satisfying after a ride! I would get that beer app, but you all would be so disappointed in me if you saw the beers I drink regularly. Does anyone have any suggestions of good beers that are not very hoppy? I feel like I may have to start just drinking the hoppy beers so eventually I acquire a taste for them. Usually when I find a beer I stick with it and don't venture out much (we have one in Baltimore called the Raven Special Lager...I'm pretty sure I mentioned it when I first joined the group. It's Edgar Allan Poe themed, and it's also light and delicious, so that is my go to whenever it is available.

That's more a of a reason to get the app. You can connect with other folks, see what they're drinking and start sampling things. I'd give recommendations but I'm up Canada, I'm not sure what makes it across the border. For lagers I really like Mill St. Organic. 

2015-03-12 2:09 PM
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Originally posted by nicole14e Alan, that stinks that no one takes you up on that! Keep trying, you will find someone eventually :-) I agree with Mel, a beer is much more satisfying after a ride! I would get that beer app, but you all would be so disappointed in me if you saw the beers I drink regularly. Does anyone have any suggestions of good beers that are not very hoppy? I feel like I may have to start just drinking the hoppy beers so eventually I acquire a taste for them. Usually when I find a beer I stick with it and don't venture out much (we have one in Baltimore called the Raven Special Lager...I'm pretty sure I mentioned it when I first joined the group. It's Edgar Allan Poe themed, and it's also light and delicious, so that is my go to whenever it is available.

That's more a of a reason to get the app. You can connect with other folks, see what they're drinking and start sampling things. I'd give recommendations but I'm up Canada, I'm not sure what makes it across the border. For lagers I really like Mill St. Organic. 




I agree, I find such great brews on untappd by following my favorite breweries and friends with good taste. Also I love the Raven Special!!

What are yr thoughts on Dead Rise (the Flying Dog old bay beer?)
2015-03-12 2:11 PM
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Originally posted by whichwayisdown
Originally posted by nicole14e Awesome job! Trainers definitely help a lot, especially when you find a really good one. I also like how you took a drinking buddy and are trying to turn them into an activity buddy. I find most of my friends want to hang out at Happy Hours, so I often try to find activities for us to do together that are not drinking related (or they are followed by drinking )
Thanks! She's not cheap, but if I come away from every session feeling this good, it'll be worth it. Honestly, most of my buddies are the drinking kind! Not terribly sure how to switch them all over, but doing something active and THEN drinking seems like a start, for sure. As I'm tracking calories more fastidiously, I'm realizing how much my beer habit is tanking my diet. I had three PBR tallboys yesterday (not even worth it, just all that was around at the house show I went to) and they cost me almost 600 calories, yikes. Eliminating the mediocre stuff like that is an easy change to make, but I just don't want to cut back on my porter/black ipa habit.

 

I have the opposite problem. I plead and beg with my Saturday group ride comrades to go for a beer afterward but no one has ever taken up the offer. In fact, that's why I like this group so much. Some folks have mentioned their love of BDAS being that it's full of 'normal' people. I'm the type that falls into the hyper competitive over zealous annoying professional wannabe-types. But I also like beer. And none of my other hyper competitive over zealous annoying pro wannabe compadres are as excited about chilling out with a delicious IPA as I am. They're more about coffee or tea and trying to emulate the stereotypical European cycling culture... So here I am. I bought a 6 pack of Muskoka IPAs. It's a sampler of ever increasing hoppiness. The first two are 30 IBU, the second are in the 50s range and the third are 94IBU. Delicious stuff. 

Have not seen that around here...I believe I had the Mad Tom or something like that...What are the other two?

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I love that app. My username is adempsey10. same as here. 



Me too. Just sent a request from jrgiza.

Mel - what's your username on Untapp'd?

Edited by firebert 2015-03-12 2:22 PM


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Originally posted by nicole14e Alan, that stinks that no one takes you up on that! Keep trying, you will find someone eventually :-) I agree with Mel, a beer is much more satisfying after a ride! I would get that beer app, but you all would be so disappointed in me if you saw the beers I drink regularly. Does anyone have any suggestions of good beers that are not very hoppy? I feel like I may have to start just drinking the hoppy beers so eventually I acquire a taste for them. Usually when I find a beer I stick with it and don't venture out much (we have one in Baltimore called the Raven Special Lager...I'm pretty sure I mentioned it when I first joined the group. It's Edgar Allan Poe themed, and it's also light and delicious, so that is my go to whenever it is available.

My advice is drink two ipa's in one sitting...once you get past the overpowering hit of hops you can settle in and enjoy it.

2015-03-12 2:24 PM
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Originally posted by nicole14e Alan, that stinks that no one takes you up on that! Keep trying, you will find someone eventually :-) I agree with Mel, a beer is much more satisfying after a ride! I would get that beer app, but you all would be so disappointed in me if you saw the beers I drink regularly. Does anyone have any suggestions of good beers that are not very hoppy? I feel like I may have to start just drinking the hoppy beers so eventually I acquire a taste for them. Usually when I find a beer I stick with it and don't venture out much (we have one in Baltimore called the Raven Special Lager...I'm pretty sure I mentioned it when I first joined the group. It's Edgar Allan Poe themed, and it's also light and delicious, so that is my go to whenever it is available.

My advice is drink two ipa's in one sitting...once you get past the overpowering hit of hops you can settle in and enjoy it.




Start with an easier drinking (lower IBU) IPA like Harpoon. Or with a Pale Ale even. If that's too much, try pilsener (real ones, not American macro brews labeled as pilseners - looking at you Miller Lite...)
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Originally posted by thor67

 

Have not seen that around here...I believe I had the Mad Tom or something like that...What are the other two?

 

Detour is the lighter of the 3. Mad Tom is the middle and then there is a 'Double Mad Tom'

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Originally posted by firebert

Me too. Just sent a request from jrgiza.

Mel - what's your username on Untapp'd?


untapp'd: Hellorhighwatermelon
2015-03-12 3:41 PM
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Originally posted by firebert

Me too. Just sent a request from jrgiza.

Mel - what's your username on Untapp'd?


untapp'd: Hellorhighwatermelon

You just got a request from the same


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Pretty good day today.

Could sleep last night, found myself running at around 4am, Had a solid 1.5mi run.

Back up at 10am to lift. Damn good bicep and back day and then jumped on a spin bike for 30 minutes. Legs still sore from Monday's leg workout, but they loosened up a bit after a little time riding.

Also did some more bike shopping, seems that most of the entry level road bikes are essentially the same...going to make the decision even harder 0.o

Cheers!
2015-03-12 4:07 PM
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Ok caught up on the last 7 days or so worth of posts. Man - so much going on!

First things first well wishes going out to all the injured and ill - get well soon!

Why I love BDAS - to echo what's been said, it's a tri group frequented by normal people of all sorts of skill and experience levels. Who love beer :D There's a Tri club that runs out of our YMCA that's overrun with tri snobs. I don't know any other way to describe them. I'm sure they're all competitive and I'm sure they're all FOP and everything, but they're a very unwelcoming unfriendly group - both the men (in my experience) and the women (in my wife's experience). Tri is supposed to be you against yourself and the course, and at races is more of a friendly camaraderie. It's so refreshing to have a group like BDAS dedicated to that aspect!

What is holding me back - Life getting in the way. If I could, I'd be doing 6+ workouts every week. Even with a full time job, a wife also tri training, and a little one at home, this should be doable. But sometimes it just isn't. Like this week. And last week... Wanted to do kickboxing tonight but nope, have to work late and go grocery shopping. Tomorrow should be a swim-run brick or at least a swim but nope, its a Luau festival at the Y and we're taking the little one. We need food in the house, I want to do stuff with my family, AND work out. Haven't been able to make the leap at getting that done.

What motivates me - For me so far it's just been the little victories that motivate me so much. Getting faster at something, doing something else longer, etc. they don't happen every time but when they do it's such a great feeling.

Workouts - ugh... I have been keeping up with the plank challenge (yay!). I managed to get 2.5 workouts in while on vaca (including my first 1000yd swim!), along with 40-odd miles of walking around Sea World over 4 days (seriously - used a GPS app on day 1, 10.3 miles). Since getting home Tuesday though it's been a disaster... Looking forward to resetting and getting back on track Saturday!

I forget at this point what the picture theme was supposed to be (is there a theme?) but here's a diferent shot of me from the Beer'd Run in November:




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2015-03-12 4:42 PM
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John, I can't remember how old your LO is, but a product I have and love that combines family time and workouts is a WeeHoo bike trailer. It's a recumbent seat on a single wheel with a 3 ot harness. Granted I love it because I can take my daughter on single track with it- but it fits the kids too big or bored for a Burley trailer but not ready to ride alone. That and a frozen yogurt shop 6 miles away one way with options to loop further get me a lot of summer bike miles. They might not be ideal ones, but once I pull the trailer off my bike always feels super light and fast.
2015-03-12 4:46 PM
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Originally posted by drfoodlove

Questions: Last spring I had my bike tuned up. First ride after the tune up, I broke a spoke (first time ever breaking a spoke). Had it fixed. Then, all summer I had issues with spokes. I broke four last summer in total, at least three of them were on turns (all four maybe, but I can confidently say three of them were). I talked to the guy at the LBS yesterday about this issue and whether given my weight (300+) I should consider new wheels designed for heavier folks. He said that weight isn't usually the cause of broken spokes, but instead the pressure put on the spokes by the gears (and the lack of pressure on the other side).

Adam hit most of the key points squarely on the head.  I'm curious as to what bike / wheels you have, but I imagine that, like most people, you have a entry- or mid-level bike with a decent drivetrain and either house-brand or Alex wheels.  I also predict you're breaking spokes on the drive side of the rear wheel.

After four broken spokes, unless it's got "Zipp" written on it, it's trash.  After I broke two spokes on my stock Alex wheels on my road bike within three weeks, I simply bought another wheelset.  The old rear wheel is regulated to trainer duty now, and the old front wheel still has lights and garland on it from when I made a wreath out of it for Christmas.

Most mid- or entry-level bikes have good components and frames, but the manufacturers have to cut costs somewhere, and that's usually wheels.  Add to that the fact that you're on the heavy end of the spectrum, and you have a recipe for broken spokes.  And once you break one, well, more tend to follow.  Trueing a wheel is done by adjusting the spoke tension in an orderly manner, so once one breaks, the even tension goes off kilter and the rest of the spokes take undue strain.  Then you fix the spoke and but strain on them the other way; then you break one again, and the process repeats, causing a cascade effect.  The rim is also being torqued around, but that's probably not as big a problem.

Since you're already down what, $200 (4x$50?) to fix spokes, don't throw good money after bad.  By the time you spend money to respoke the wheel, you can buy a new wheelset.  What I am surprised at isn't that the shop (Bike Surgeon in Carbondale, right?) thought to suggest a new wheelset after four broken spokes, but that they didn't suggest it after the first one.  

Here's a simple answer, and exactly what I did:  go buy a set of Mavic Aksiums.  $250 out the door, complete (wheels, tubes, tires, skewers, rim tape), with straight-pull bladed spokes, and 9/10/11 speed compatible.  Buy 'em, swap cassettes, pump them up, and you're good to go.  They are heavy, cheap, durable, and spin nicely.  They are not light or fast.  If you want really bomb-proof, you can look for something like a set of Velocity Deep-Vs, with 32h rims.  

Or, if you want to make a decent investment, there's always a PowerTap setup for ~$900.  That would be $650 for the powertap and $250 for the wheelset, which is a decent deal.

Like Adam said, Flos are nice wheels, but finding a set can be tricky with their "sign up and rush" online ordering.  And at $500 for a set of 30s, I think there are better deals out there.  

Personally, I would just buy a set of Aksiums and call it a day.  I'd sell you mine, but I plan on beating them senseless until the road crews can fix all the potholes here.  

Also, run some big tires.  The Mavics come with 23mm, which are okay, but if your frame can fit a set of 28mm, you can run lower pressure for a smoother ride.  Tires that big are slow, but comfy.  I run a set of 28mm Stada K from Performance Bike on my roadie, with no problems.

2015-03-12 4:56 PM
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John, I can't remember how old your LO is, but a product I have and love that combines family time and workouts is a WeeHoo bike trailer. It's a recumbent seat on a single wheel with a 3 ot harness. Granted I love it because I can take my daughter on single track with it- but it fits the kids too big or bored for a Burley trailer but not ready to ride alone. That and a frozen yogurt shop 6 miles away one way with options to loop further get me a lot of summer bike miles. They might not be ideal ones, but once I pull the trailer off my bike always feels super light and fast.


Thanks for the suggestion!! The WeeHoo looks really nice, and in the grand scheme of things not overly expensive. I dig that it attaches to the seatpost instead of the rear axle area.

She's 5, but tall for her age. We have an enclosed trailer that I want to use, I just haven't taken the time to see how to connect it to my carbon roadie. It just feels like I'm putting a trailer/hitch on a Ferrari you know? lol. We haven't much for bike trails nearby, but there is some great riding through farm country and I'll definitely take her out when the snow and ice pulls back from the road a bit and they sweep the sand off... Right now the shoulders of our roads go like this - 4 foot frozen snowpile - beach - potholes - halfway into car traffic.


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My daughter is 5 and also tall- she's 45" with most of it in torso- she loves it because it's pedal driven so she gets to help which made her transition to a two wheel bike super easy since she had already been pedaling on the weehoo and stridering. They are a little pricy, but we have three friends who want it when it's outgrown- they hold resale value extremely well!

I first heard of it on ST and have probably sold 5 to friends since! My husband will do two hour mountain bike rides with her and she screams faster daddy faster most of the way. We can go out as a whole family- which is awesome.
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On track for the week- I did my 8 mile run outside in the sunshine, including 2 miles on the trails I haven't been on since December! They were mostly muddy and slushy but no ice and it was just fun.
Things I learned today:
~ 8 miles is far
~ I really suck at estimating distances. I planned to do a big loop on roads through a park near me, then the 2 miles on the trails (I do know that distance from running them so much) and figured I might have at most another mile to get in when I got back to my car. Turned out when I finished the first loop I'd run just over 3 miles. At least it worked out to do another loop on the roads to get my right to 8. This always happens on my long runs too- I'm constantly surprised at how far (or close) things are to each other.
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Originally posted by mirthfuldragon

Originally posted by adempsey10

Originally posted by drfoodlove

Questions: Last spring I had my bike tuned up. First ride after the tune up, I broke a spoke (first time ever breaking a spoke). Had it fixed. Then, all summer I had issues with spokes. I broke four last summer in total, at least three of them were on turns (all four maybe, but I can confidently say three of them were). I talked to the guy at the LBS yesterday about this issue and whether given my weight (300+) I should consider new wheels designed for heavier folks. He said that weight isn't usually the cause of broken spokes, but instead the pressure put on the spokes by the gears (and the lack of pressure on the other side).

Adam hit most of the key points squarely on the head.  I'm curious as to what bike / wheels you have, but I imagine that, like most people, you have a entry- or mid-level bike with a decent drivetrain and either house-brand or Alex wheels.  I also predict you're breaking spokes on the drive side of the rear wheel.

After four broken spokes, unless it's got "Zipp" written on it, it's trash.  After I broke two spokes on my stock Alex wheels on my road bike within three weeks, I simply bought another wheelset.  The old rear wheel is regulated to trainer duty now, and the old front wheel still has lights and garland on it from when I made a wreath out of it for Christmas.

Most mid- or entry-level bikes have good components and frames, but the manufacturers have to cut costs somewhere, and that's usually wheels.  Add to that the fact that you're on the heavy end of the spectrum, and you have a recipe for broken spokes.  And once you break one, well, more tend to follow.  Trueing a wheel is done by adjusting the spoke tension in an orderly manner, so once one breaks, the even tension goes off kilter and the rest of the spokes take undue strain.  Then you fix the spoke and but strain on them the other way; then you break one again, and the process repeats, causing a cascade effect.  The rim is also being torqued around, but that's probably not as big a problem.

Since you're already down what, $200 (4x$50?) to fix spokes, don't throw good money after bad.  By the time you spend money to respoke the wheel, you can buy a new wheelset.  What I am surprised at isn't that the shop (Bike Surgeon in Carbondale, right?) thought to suggest a new wheelset after four broken spokes, but that they didn't suggest it after the first one.  

Here's a simple answer, and exactly what I did:  go buy a set of Mavic Aksiums.  $250 out the door, complete (wheels, tubes, tires, skewers, rim tape), with straight-pull bladed spokes, and 9/10/11 speed compatible.  Buy 'em, swap cassettes, pump them up, and you're good to go.  They are heavy, cheap, durable, and spin nicely.  They are not light or fast.  If you want really bomb-proof, you can look for something like a set of Velocity Deep-Vs, with 32h rims.  

Or, if you want to make a decent investment, there's always a PowerTap setup for ~$900.  That would be $650 for the powertap and $250 for the wheelset, which is a decent deal.

Like Adam said, Flos are nice wheels, but finding a set can be tricky with their "sign up and rush" online ordering.  And at $500 for a set of 30s, I think there are better deals out there.  

Personally, I would just buy a set of Aksiums and call it a day.  I'd sell you mine, but I plan on beating them senseless until the road crews can fix all the potholes here.  

Also, run some big tires.  The Mavics come with 23mm, which are okay, but if your frame can fit a set of 28mm, you can run lower pressure for a smoother ride.  Tires that big are slow, but comfy.  I run a set of 28mm Stada K from Performance Bike on my roadie, with no problems.

 

Alan.... I forgive you. :P 

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Questions: Last spring I had my bike tuned up. First ride after the tune up, I broke a spoke (first time ever breaking a spoke). Had it fixed. Then, all summer I had issues with spokes. I broke four last summer in total, at least three of them were on turns (all four maybe, but I can confidently say three of them were). I talked to the guy at the LBS yesterday about this issue and whether given my weight (300+) I should consider new wheels designed for heavier folks. He said that weight isn't usually the cause of broken spokes, but instead the pressure put on the spokes by the gears (and the lack of pressure on the other side).

Adam hit most of the key points squarely on the head.  I'm curious as to what bike / wheels you have, but I imagine that, like most people, you have a entry- or mid-level bike with a decent drivetrain and either house-brand or Alex wheels.  I also predict you're breaking spokes on the drive side of the rear wheel.

After four broken spokes, unless it's got "Zipp" written on it, it's trash.  After I broke two spokes on my stock Alex wheels on my road bike within three weeks, I simply bought another wheelset.  The old rear wheel is regulated to trainer duty now, and the old front wheel still has lights and garland on it from when I made a wreath out of it for Christmas.

Most mid- or entry-level bikes have good components and frames, but the manufacturers have to cut costs somewhere, and that's usually wheels.  Add to that the fact that you're on the heavy end of the spectrum, and you have a recipe for broken spokes.  And once you break one, well, more tend to follow.  Trueing a wheel is done by adjusting the spoke tension in an orderly manner, so once one breaks, the even tension goes off kilter and the rest of the spokes take undue strain.  Then you fix the spoke and but strain on them the other way; then you break one again, and the process repeats, causing a cascade effect.  The rim is also being torqued around, but that's probably not as big a problem.

Since you're already down what, $200 (4x$50?) to fix spokes, don't throw good money after bad.  By the time you spend money to respoke the wheel, you can buy a new wheelset.  What I am surprised at isn't that the shop (Bike Surgeon in Carbondale, right?) thought to suggest a new wheelset after four broken spokes, but that they didn't suggest it after the first one.  

Here's a simple answer, and exactly what I did:  go buy a set of Mavic Aksiums.  $250 out the door, complete (wheels, tubes, tires, skewers, rim tape), with straight-pull bladed spokes, and 9/10/11 speed compatible.  Buy 'em, swap cassettes, pump them up, and you're good to go.  They are heavy, cheap, durable, and spin nicely.  They are not light or fast.  If you want really bomb-proof, you can look for something like a set of Velocity Deep-Vs, with 32h rims.  

Or, if you want to make a decent investment, there's always a PowerTap setup for ~$900.  That would be $650 for the powertap and $250 for the wheelset, which is a decent deal.

Like Adam said, Flos are nice wheels, but finding a set can be tricky with their "sign up and rush" online ordering.  And at $500 for a set of 30s, I think there are better deals out there.  

Personally, I would just buy a set of Aksiums and call it a day.  I'd sell you mine, but I plan on beating them senseless until the road crews can fix all the potholes here.  

Also, run some big tires.  The Mavics come with 23mm, which are okay, but if your frame can fit a set of 28mm, you can run lower pressure for a smoother ride.  Tires that big are slow, but comfy.  I run a set of 28mm Stada K from Performance Bike on my roadie, with no problems.

Hmm. I disagree with aksiums. They have a recommended weight rating of 100kg. Reason I suggest the Flos is because they make a set specifically for heavier riders (and the sign up and rush system isn't so frantic. The 30s usually stay in stock for 2-3 weeks). They're pricier than Aksiums and some of the $250 range wheels. Wheels in that price range are typically what you would fine stock on a $1500 road bike in terms of quality. Flo might seem more expensive but for the price you're getting a wheel that would otherwise be in the $800-900 range in terms of quality. In order to feel confident and put it out of your mind while riding, I would go with something that you know will hold up rather than something that is on the cusp. Mavic CXPs are a good bet and as Charles mentioned the Velocity Deep Vs are also suitable. You'll want something with at least 32 spokes. 



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