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 2011-04-28 2:53 PM in reply to: #3471906 |
Buttercup  14334    |  Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ...trinnas - 2011-04-28 3:29 PM Renee - 2011-04-28 3:23 PM TriAya - 2011-04-28 1:05 PM WAIDAMINIT! Does that mean I can't be President? But I'm turning 35 this year and I'm a nonwhite Republican female who actually knows an awful lot about politickin' ... I'm the perfect upstart candidate! I was born on U.S. soil to two non-U.S. citizens, neither of whom was a U.S. resident at the time. It depends. You never said whether you are a US citizen, so it's very unclear. Were your parents diplomats at the time of your birth? Also, do you possess an American passport? And, very importantly, do you possess a passport from another country? The US does not recognize dual citizenship (which possession of said passport would support). The US will not allow you to retain your US citizenship if you declare your citizenship in another country. Actually as I understand it you can have dual citizenship but only with a certain countries including Great Brittan and I thought Canada but I could be wrong on that one. Here's the State Department's webpage on the topic: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html Some of my sisters who were born in Panama are considered citizens; they never had to apply for citizenship, it is simply their birthright. I, however, am not automatically eligible because I was born in the US. If I sought Panamanian citizenship, I could put my US citizenship in jeopardy. I looked into relocating to Panama in the mid-90s and getting my cedula (which is the same as rights of a citizen). At the time, I was advised that the US would not recognize my dual citizenship, though the US could not stop me from getting Panamanian citizenship. Panama had no problem with dual citizenship. It appears that the US has relaxed their policies, but I could still risk my citizenship if I pursued citizenship in Panama. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship. Edited by Renee 2011-04-28 2:54 PM |
| 2011-04-28 2:59 PM in reply to: #3471968 |
Champion 18680   Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... Renee - 2011-04-28 3:53 PM trinnas - 2011-04-28 3:29 PM Renee - 2011-04-28 3:23 PM TriAya - 2011-04-28 1:05 PM WAIDAMINIT! Does that mean I can't be President? But I'm turning 35 this year and I'm a nonwhite Republican female who actually knows an awful lot about politickin' ... I'm the perfect upstart candidate! I was born on U.S. soil to two non-U.S. citizens, neither of whom was a U.S. resident at the time. It depends. You never said whether you are a US citizen, so it's very unclear. Were your parents diplomats at the time of your birth? Also, do you possess an American passport? And, very importantly, do you possess a passport from another country? The US does not recognize dual citizenship (which possession of said passport would support). The US will not allow you to retain your US citizenship if you declare your citizenship in another country. Actually as I understand it you can have dual citizenship but only with a certain countries including Great Brittan and I thought Canada but I could be wrong on that one. Here's the State Department's webpage on the topic: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html Some of my sisters who were born in Panama are considered citizens; they never had to apply for citizenship, it is simply their birthright. I, however, am not automatically eligible because I was born in the US. If I sought Panamanian citizenship, I could put my US citizenship in jeopardy. I looked into relocating to Panama in the mid-90s and getting my cedula (which is the same as rights of a citizen). At the time, I was advised that the US would not recognize my dual citizenship, though the US could not stop me from getting Panamanian citizenship. Panama had no problem with dual citizenship. It appears that the US has relaxed their policies, but I could still risk my citizenship if I pursued citizenship in Panama. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship. Interesting, thank you. |
| 2011-04-28 3:01 PM in reply to: #3471935 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... TriAya - 2011-04-28 3:40 PM I am a U.S. citizen, have been from birth, and have never held citizenship in another nation. My parents were not diplomats. If you were born a US citizen on US territory, then you're eligible. No controversy there. Same for Piyut Amrish (Bobby) Jindal and Marco Rubio, both born in to immigrant parents. They are first-generation Americans. Or, at least I think they are. I haven't seen their certificates of live birth. I wonder what else they're hiding! |
| 2011-04-28 3:09 PM in reply to: #3471968 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... Renee - 2011-04-29 4:53 AM trinnas - 2011-04-28 3:29 PM Renee - 2011-04-28 3:23 PM TriAya - 2011-04-28 1:05 PM WAIDAMINIT! Does that mean I can't be President? But I'm turning 35 this year and I'm a nonwhite Republican female who actually knows an awful lot about politickin' ... I'm the perfect upstart candidate! I was born on U.S. soil to two non-U.S. citizens, neither of whom was a U.S. resident at the time. It depends. You never said whether you are a US citizen, so it's very unclear. Were your parents diplomats at the time of your birth? Also, do you possess an American passport? And, very importantly, do you possess a passport from another country? The US does not recognize dual citizenship (which possession of said passport would support). The US will not allow you to retain your US citizenship if you declare your citizenship in another country. Actually as I understand it you can have dual citizenship but only with a certain countries including Great Brittan and I thought Canada but I could be wrong on that one. Here's the State Department's webpage on the topic: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html Some of my sisters who were born in Panama are considered citizens; they never had to apply for citizenship, it is simply their birthright. I, however, am not automatically eligible because I was born in the US. If I sought Panamanian citizenship, I could put my US citizenship in jeopardy. I looked into relocating to Panama in the mid-90s and getting my cedula (which is the same as rights of a citizen). At the time, I was advised that the US would not recognize my dual citizenship, though the US could not stop me from getting Panamanian citizenship. Panama had no problem with dual citizenship. It appears that the US has relaxed their policies, but I could still risk my citizenship if I pursued citizenship in Panama. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship. You're right, the United States does not recognize dual citizenships, but neither does it disallow them. For example, if you were a dual U.S./Panamanian citizen, the U.S. would simply not recognize your Panamanian citizenship. But as you said, the U.S. could not stop you from obtaining the Panamanian citizenship, nor would it. The last bolded part here is key. If there is no evidence of your intention to give up U.S. citizenship, you cannot lose it. This generally pertains to when U.S. citizens try to obtain additional citizenship to a country that outright forbids dual citizenship. |
| 2011-04-28 4:59 PM in reply to: #3468475 |
Master 3127 Sunny Southern Cal | Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... Great news !! We won't need to insist that the First Lady stay somewhere besides the White House. It appears that the Obamas are officially married. I was so worried about this. Thanks Citizens Against Pro-Obama Media Bias. Now, I wonder if the President's immunizations are current? Has anybody seen Obama's vaccination records? http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/04/07/barrys-marriage-license-wedding-photo/ |
| 2011-04-28 5:10 PM in reply to: #3472250 |
| Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... SevenZulu - 2011-04-28 2:59 PM Great news !! We won't need to insist that the First Lady stay somewhere besides the White House. It appears that the Obamas are officially married. I was so worried about this. Thanks Citizens Against Pro-Obama Media Bias. Now, I wonder if the President's immunizations are current? Has anybody seen Obama's vaccination records? http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/04/07/barrys-marriage-license-wedding-photo/ Not to mention that Roberts actually swore in as POTUS "Barack Hussein Obama." Accdg to the BC's, his name is "Barack Hussein Obama II." So I guess we have a Kenyan president after all..... |
| 2011-04-28 5:27 PM in reply to: #3472259 |
Master 3127 Sunny Southern Cal | Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... ChrisM - 2011-04-28 3:10 PM SevenZulu - 2011-04-28 2:59 PM Great news !! We won't need to insist that the First Lady stay somewhere besides the White House. It appears that the Obamas are officially married. I was so worried about this. Thanks Citizens Against Pro-Obama Media Bias. Now, I wonder if the President's immunizations are current? Has anybody seen Obama's vaccination records? http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/04/07/barrys-marriage-license-wedding-photo/ Not to mention that Roberts actually swore in as POTUS "Barack Hussein Obama." Accdg to the BC's, his name is "Barack Hussein Obama II." So I guess we have a Kenyan president after all..... Was that during the first swearing in, the second, or both? |
| 2011-04-28 5:36 PM in reply to: #3472279 |
| Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... SevenZulu - 2011-04-28 3:27 PM ChrisM - 2011-04-28 3:10 PM SevenZulu - 2011-04-28 2:59 PM Great news !! We won't need to insist that the First Lady stay somewhere besides the White House. It appears that the Obamas are officially married. I was so worried about this. Thanks Citizens Against Pro-Obama Media Bias. Now, I wonder if the President's immunizations are current? Has anybody seen Obama's vaccination records? http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/04/07/barrys-marriage-license-wedding-photo/ Not to mention that Roberts actually swore in as POTUS "Barack Hussein Obama." Accdg to the BC's, his name is "Barack Hussein Obama II." So I guess we have a Kenyan president after all..... Was that during the first swearing in, the second, or both? Optimistic, are we? |
| 2011-04-28 6:53 PM in reply to: #3472286 |
Master 1529 Living in the past | Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... ChrisM - 2011-04-28 5:36 PM SevenZulu - 2011-04-28 3:27 PM ChrisM - 2011-04-28 3:10 PM SevenZulu - 2011-04-28 2:59 PM Great news !! We won't need to insist that the First Lady stay somewhere besides the White House. It appears that the Obamas are officially married. I was so worried about this. Thanks Citizens Against Pro-Obama Media Bias. Now, I wonder if the President's immunizations are current? Has anybody seen Obama's vaccination records? http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/04/07/barrys-marriage-license-wedding-photo/ Not to mention that Roberts actually swore in as POTUS "Barack Hussein Obama." Accdg to the BC's, his name is "Barack Hussein Obama II." So I guess we have a Kenyan president after all..... Was that during the first swearing in, the second, or both? Optimistic, are we? I believe he was referring to the "do over" swearing in thought prudent back then as Robert's flubbed the oath the first time. |
| 2011-04-29 10:30 AM in reply to: #3471906 |
| Master 2083 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... trinnas - 2011-04-28 2:29 PM Renee - 2011-04-28 3:23 PM TriAya - 2011-04-28 1:05 PM WAIDAMINIT! Does that mean I can't be President? But I'm turning 35 this year and I'm a nonwhite Republican female who actually knows an awful lot about politickin' ... I'm the perfect upstart candidate! I was born on U.S. soil to two non-U.S. citizens, neither of whom was a U.S. resident at the time. It depends. You never said whether you are a US citizen, so it's very unclear. Were your parents diplomats at the time of your birth? Also, do you possess an American passport? And, very importantly, do you possess a passport from another country? The US does not recognize dual citizenship (which possession of said passport would support). The US will not allow you to retain your US citizenship if you declare your citizenship in another country. Actually as I understand it you can have dual citizenship but only with a certain countries including Great Brittan and I thought Canada but I could be wrong on that one.
Not England. My MIL had to denounce her English citizenship in order to become a U.S. Citizen. She refused, but no one was watching so they assumed every one did it. She is no longer an English citizen and is quite upset about it. What you may be thinking of is you can have dual citizenship until a certain age, and then you have to pick. I may be wrong about that though. Edited by jgaither 2011-04-29 10:39 AM |
| 2011-04-29 11:37 AM in reply to: #3468475 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... I haven't read the full 8 pages of this thread, so maybe this has already been said. Arguments that Obama isn't qualified to be president, because he's not a natural-born U.S. citizen are implausible, if only for one reason: The Rebublican Party. If there were any evidence in existence to legitimately question his right to seek the office, the GOP would have found it, and made it public during the election as a way to ensure McCain's election. The fact that they didn't do this with all the resources at their disposal makes it very unlikely that he isn't qualified. BTW, I'm not an Obama fan at all. I'm a Libertarian by ideals, a Republican by registration, and I try to judge candidates on their own merits on election day. I didn't vote for Obama, and I disagree with many of his policies, but he's still our President. |
| 2011-04-29 11:42 AM in reply to: #3473466 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... TriMyBest - 2011-04-30 1:37 AM I haven't read the full 8 pages of this thread, so maybe this has already been said. Arguments that Obama isn't qualified to be president, because he's not a natural-born U.S. citizen are implausible, if only for one reason: The Rebublican Party. If there were any evidence in existence to legitimately question his right to seek the office, the GOP would have found it, and made it public during the election as a way to ensure McCain's election. The fact that they didn't do this with all the resources at their disposal makes it very unlikely that he isn't qualified. BTW, I'm not an Obama fan at all. I'm a Libertarian by ideals, a Republican by registration, and I try to judge candidates on their own merits on election day. I didn't vote for Obama, and I disagree with many of his policies, but he's still our President. The more I learn about you, the more I like you. Carry on ... |
| 2011-04-29 11:55 AM in reply to: #3473480 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... TriAya - 2011-04-29 12:42 PM TriMyBest - 2011-04-30 1:37 AM I haven't read the full 8 pages of this thread, so maybe this has already been said. Arguments that Obama isn't qualified to be president, because he's not a natural-born U.S. citizen are implausible, if only for one reason: The Rebublican Party. If there were any evidence in existence to legitimately question his right to seek the office, the GOP would have found it, and made it public during the election as a way to ensure McCain's election. The fact that they didn't do this with all the resources at their disposal makes it very unlikely that he isn't qualified. BTW, I'm not an Obama fan at all. I'm a Libertarian by ideals, a Republican by registration, and I try to judge candidates on their own merits on election day. I didn't vote for Obama, and I disagree with many of his policies, but he's still our President. The more I learn about you, the more I like you. Carry on ...
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| 2011-04-29 11:59 AM in reply to: #3468475 |
Champion 5312 Calgary | Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... and this is why it is a big deal... at least to this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX5ueEKsSWc |
| 2011-04-29 12:08 PM in reply to: #3473466 |
| Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... TriMyBest - 2011-04-29 9:37 AM I haven't read the full 8 pages of this thread, so maybe this has already been said. Arguments that Obama isn't qualified to be president, because he's not a natural-born U.S. citizen are implausible, if only for one reason: The Rebublican Party. If there were any evidence in existence to legitimately question his right to seek the office, the GOP would have found it, and made it public during the election as a way to ensure McCain's election. The fact that they didn't do this with all the resources at their disposal makes it very unlikely that he isn't qualified. BTW, I'm not an Obama fan at all. I'm a Libertarian by ideals, a Republican by registration, and I try to judge candidates on their own merits on election day. I didn't vote for Obama, and I disagree with many of his policies, but he's still our President. Not only that, but Hillary in the primaries. Well said, and I am basically exactly the same in political leanings, registration and voting history |
 2011-04-29 4:59 PM in reply to: #3473466 |
| Subject: ... This user's post has been ignored. Edited by Fred Doucette 2011-04-29 5:01 PM |
| 2011-04-29 5:04 PM in reply to: #3468475 |
| Pro 5361 | Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... apparently, there's still a fringe out there claiming that the long form birth certificate is a forgery, etc, etc. Do we get to call them "afterbirthers?" |
| 2011-04-29 5:57 PM in reply to: #3473514 |
| Expert 1002 | Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... BigDH - 2011-04-29 11:59 AM and this is why it is a big deal... at least to this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX5ueEKsSWc Wow,powerful. Thanks for sharing. |
| 2011-04-29 6:32 PM in reply to: #3474078 |
| Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... I also fully respect Obama. Both him as our leader and him as a man. But more importantly I RESPECT THE OFFICE HE HOLDS! I remember a story I heard, can't recall if it was on TV, or ..... Someone had a photo of Nixon on their wall, during the times when he was in some serious trouble (or perhaps getting some questions). Someone asked "why do you have a photo of Nixon on the wall??" Reply was "I have a photo of the President of the United States on the wall." While I don't think the office transcends all conduct, I do believe that the office deserves respect, whether it's Obama or Bush. |
| 2011-04-29 7:49 PM in reply to: #3474087 |
| Elite 4547 | Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... morey000 - 2011-04-29 6:04 PM apparently, there's still a fringe out there claiming that the long form birth certificate is a forgery, etc, etc. Do we get to call them "afterbirthers?" awesome. very clever morey000. |
| 2011-05-02 3:06 PM in reply to: #3468475 |
| Champion 17756 SoCal | Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... |
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| Elite 3972 Reno | Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... |
| 2011-05-02 3:27 PM in reply to: #3474158 |
| Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... UWMadTri - 2011-04-29 6:57 PM BigDH - 2011-04-29 11:59 AM and this is why it is a big deal... at least to this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX5ueEKsSWc Wow,powerful. Thanks for sharing.
I could only get through the first minute; not a very compelling or charismatic speaker. What's the Reader's Digest version? |
| 2011-05-02 4:13 PM in reply to: #3478201 |
| Master 1903 Portland, Oregon | Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... Big Appa - 2011-05-02 1:06 PM AWESOME!! I love it. My DH and I checked and according to the birthers we aren't citizens either. I'm from AZ and he is from OR, and both states use Certificates of Live Birth that look hokier than carp. And you know that AZ is pretty close to Mexico and I have dark hair so I'm almost certainly a foreigner. |
| 2011-05-02 4:19 PM in reply to: #3468475 |
| Master 1890 Cypress, CA | Subject: RE: Obama's birth certificate ... The thing I don't get about the birthers is, what result are they looking to achieve? I mean, it's not like Miss America where the runner up (McCain) gets the sash and tiara if the winner is unable to fulfill the office. And it's not a re-do on the election. The Constitution tells us what happens if a sitting president is unable to fill the office. If you disqualify Obama, you get President Joe Biden. Even the Democrats couldn't stomach that possibility in 2008. But say you make the argument that Biden is also disqualified, tainted by Obama's Kenyanosity. Say you make that argument before the midterm elections. President Nancy Pelosi, anybody? With those alternatives, seems to me that even if you believed Obama's disqualified, if you were anything like halfway conservative you'd be saying "dude, shut up!" |
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