EagleMan Ironman 70.3 Triathlon : Official Thread (Page 7)

I am not a big fan of comparing races like this.  One is hilly and one is not.  Each race brings a different conditions and factors to the table. 

At the 70.3 distance no matter what you do on the bike if you don't fuel properly your run is gonna be in the hopper.  So the complexity of going fast on the bike at 70.3 in my opinion is exponentially different that at 40K.  You can have kinda bad nutrition at the OLY distance and still run well over 10K.  However the opposite is far from true. 

If you have been out doing race day simulations at or near the 70.3 distance you know where you should be.  Try not to compare race to race. 

Very good points Rick....

I don't train with power just speed.  But it looks like you have enough metrics to know where you should be.  Would you not want to ride at your goal Watts for the distance?  Speed should take care of itself if you stay in those ranges, no? 

Lets just say for simplicity sake that your race simulation rides...you should be faster than those.... 

Daremo - 2009-05-19 10:42 AM Considering you 2 will be going head to head, this should be fun to watch!!

Both of you will come out of the water about the same time and I expect similar bike splits.  We'll just have to see if Dan can put up the sort of run that Mike can.

You guys should put a beer bet on your swim splits!

I love the idea of racing head to head but unfortunatly you must not have looked too closely at my logs recently.  I have 6 miles of running in my legs YTD...that would indicate that I am one of three things:

1. The biggest sandbagger on the east coast.  Likely, but I am not telling

2. The most well rested 70.3 runner in the field.

3. Not doing the race....

Sorry guys but I pulled out a few months ago as I simply lost motivation and have not returned to 100% physically.  Maybe next year. 

Honestly, if Dan's nutrition is spot on I would expect him to rip it at Eagleman.  The key is to get out fast on the swim...take the first 40K of the bike fast but controlled, fuel, fuel, fuel, survive the last 10-15 miles of headwind/cross and come off the bike ready to run.  If you arrive it T2 in one piece with out your legs locking up...you have a very legit shot at placing Top 5 OA. 

I know a bunch of the top guys in 30-34 and if you would like to disucss how they race shoot me a PM... I'll show you who to look for while your out there...

Maybe I'll ride down and watch....

Really Good discussion going on here....

I have been going back and fwd uin my head about my race wattage for EMan.

Based on an approx. bike split of 2:30 and a 1 hour time trialling FTP of 276. My wattage numbers I am working towards are 220watts first 30mins and 230watts the remainder approx 80% of FTP for first 30mins and 83% for remainder.

Sounds like from all of the above may make sense to extend the 220watts out a little longer and push a bigger number into the wind the last 15miles?

Would be interested in hearing from the experts their recommended strategies? I guess the other option is hammer the first hour to get as far into the ride as possible before the wind builds 8-) But I am not a gambling man so I wont be going that route.

Thxs and looking fwd to seeing you all there, my family and I are at the Days Inn Cambridge where ever that is?

JG

Ok so last year I was injured but did the race.  From March up until the race I didn't put anything huge down on the bike or the run.  As I said I don't train with power but here is what I got from the guy who won 30-34 last year.  I am not going to get into a debate about if he was drafting me or not.   A few folks who saw us thought that he was up my a$$ for most of the ride.  But that's not why I am posting this.  I have no clue what 200 watts is vs 300 watts.  What I do know is that if you want to win on this course you have to put a killer ride and run together.  Here is what I pulled off Adam Zucco's blog right after the race:

"...I got passed 5 miles in by a guy who was flying. I had to maintain between 320-350 watts on average to follow him (not drafting). To use some motivation is absolutely an advantage, but nothing illegal about that. We went through the half way point after going back and forth with each other in 1:03! He eventually dropped off the pace and I could feel my stomach shutting down so I slowed up the last 10-15 miles as well to try to get ready for the very hot run. I ended up with a solid 2:16 bike split. I averaged just under 270 watts I believe."

I eventually dropped off the pace because of a few things.  #1 it was 110 degree out.  #2 I simply didn't put the training in to ride like that.  I think I pulled in at 2:18 for the ride.  I no doubt with the proper training should ride in the 2:10-12 range.  Draft legal. 

So for you power guys out there the winner of M30-34 last year rode avg 270 watts. 

Enjoy....

This race should be pretty interesting to say the least.  I'll totally enjoy seeing a good mass'em up bike race!

How big meaning how tall and his weight?  I would guess he's an over 6' guy but on the lean side.  Maybe low 180s upper 170s.  But I don't know.  I mean I am almost 6 foot and I am like 195.  So weight can be deceiving.

Yes Mike good info indeed, damn that guy was strong you mention above. Trying to do the maths reverse wise with the info you gave:

If he averaged 270odd racing at 85% of thresehold tells me his 1hour FTP about 320 or so and if low 80kgs he would have a weight to kilo ratio of about 4 watts per kilo. Damn nice. In all honesty given the heat you mention he probably had a declining power ratio over the course of the race so I am guessing he is probably up about 340watts or so..ouch and you hung with him you are a bad AS*

I am 6'2 and about 183lbs so I race off about a 3.4watts per kilo. I am guessing in male M35-39 I am going to be on the edge of the top 20% which is pretty much what I did at Wisconsin and RI last year...

we need a bt tent.  does such a thing exist?

docswim24 - 2009-05-20 1:07 PM

PennState - 2009-05-19 5:23 PM

Also, Dan what beer is it that Rick and I are buying for you?

btw, it looks like I will be in for Eagleman as long as things continue to improve for me. Should be fun.

Great news about Eagleman Fred! A 6 pack of any of the following will work - bring it to Eagleman and we can have it after. Killians Red Molsen Canadian Labbat Blue Light Sam Adams Light Turbo Dog (#1 choice - available at world market)

Let me just say you have exceptional taste in beer for an American...add some Sam Adams Summer Ale and some Stella and I would say first rate selection that!!!

I agree with this.  Does anyone have a little pop up tent at all?  Trying to organize a small group area for some pictures and such.