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2010-08-16 7:37 PM
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hrliles - 2010-08-14 7:27 PM A lot of people ask themselvs that age old question "what is my purpose in life".  I always wondered until I had my first, Colby!  When I realized I was given a gift, a life, totally dependant upon me and my wife, I realized then and there exactly what God put me here for.  Now I have 2 more girls and my life was nothing until they came into it!

It's not easy and it's not for everyone, but the return on investment is immeasurable and infinite!

I'm glad your kids fill such as important part of your life.  I really hope you have more to your life than just the kids though...

I feel just the opposite.  Granted, I don't believe life has a "purpose" but for me having kids would be such a hindrance to my life that it would prevent me from truly living life as I see fit. 

Immeasurable and infinite?  Maybe.  The return on your investment is immesurable and infinite happiness.  I suspect my returns on that same investment would be immseasurable and infinite misery. 



2010-08-16 8:08 PM
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hrliles - 2010-08-14 7:27 PM A lot of people ask themselvs that age old question "what is my purpose in life".  I always wondered until I had my first, Colby!  When I realized I was given a gift, a life, totally dependant upon me and my wife, I realized then and there exactly what God put me here for.  Now I have 2 more girls and my life was nothing until they came into it!

It's not easy and it's not for everyone, but the return on investment is immeasurable and infinite!


I think he was just trying to say that his kids are a really important part of his life. I don't think he meant to imply that they are the only part of his life. And, I think he was expressing how he felt, and not trying to imply that this is how everyone should feel.

I can relate. After I had my kids, other things I thought were important were suddenly less important. Not unimportant. Just less important. Like my job. Haha...tell that to my boss, I bet she'd love it. But, seriously I don't stress like I used to about other stuff since I've had kids. They give me enough to stress over.

As I've said before, I respect people & couples who chose not to have kids for whatever reason. I agree that couples who do not have kids are totally still a family.


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2010-08-17 8:20 AM
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My mom has on several occasion said you can't be a family orhappy without kids.  This has been a constant source of amusement for me.  Especially when every time I call my brother I can hear a kid screaming or bothering him in the background.

Yeah..that would make me SOOO happy

But she is coming to visit her grand daughter this weekend.  My dog Dali who is probably better behaved than 80% of other 4 year olds.
2010-08-17 8:49 AM
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jazz82482 - 2010-08-16 8:07 PM
hrliles - 2010-08-14 8:27 PM A lot of people ask themselvs that age old question "what is my purpose in life".  I always wondered until I had my first, Colby!  When I realized I was given a gift, a life, totally dependant upon me and my wife, I realized then and there exactly what God put me here for.  Now I have 2 more girls and my life was nothing until they came into it!

It's not easy and it's not for everyone, but the return on investment is immeasurable and infinite!
Wow, I am so sorry! No purpose in life before kids? I feel the complete opposite- I have so much purpose in life, so much happiness, and so many things to do with my life, that I have no compelling desire or reason to give all of that up to have kids. I know it's extreme to say it that way, but essentially, if I choose to have kids, I can no longer have the life I lead now- the kid would be the absolute #1 priority, and every choice I make would be about putting them first. I LOVE my life how it is, and have no desire to be forced to give up how I live for someone else. Since I have no true desire to have kids, no mothering gene or whatever, I really don't see why I would have them. Believe me, I am NOT missing out on something that I just don't want. But I can also understand how much love people have for their kids. Our species would not survive if people didn't automatically fall in love with their own offspring- but if I don't have them, I'm not missing it.... And by the way- I love kids, love people with kids, am great with kids and always get the comment 'you would be such a great mom!' And I am- to my dog I just wish that it weren't such a big deal to choose NOT to have them.


There needs to be a 'kudos' or a 'like' button.  but here we just do...

x2. 

I understand that doing it this way does help to pad the post count :p

Well said an we feel the same way.  My parents did get the bumper sticker "Ask me about my grand-dog"
2010-08-17 8:54 AM
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hrliles - 2010-08-14 8:27 PM A lot of people ask themselvs that age old question "what is my purpose in life".  I always wondered until I had my first, Colby!  When I realized I was given a gift, a life, totally dependant upon me and my wife, I realized then and there exactly what God put me here for.  Now I have 2 more girls and my life was nothing until they came into it!

It's not easy and it's not for everyone, but the return on investment is immeasurable and infinite!


so...mother teresa's life had no purpose?  hmmm.
2010-08-17 9:04 AM
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jazz82482 - 2010-08-16 6:07 PM
hrliles - 2010-08-14 8:27 PM A lot of people ask themselvs that age old question "what is my purpose in life".  I always wondered until I had my first, Colby!  When I realized I was given a gift, a life, totally dependant upon me and my wife, I realized then and there exactly what God put me here for.  Now I have 2 more girls and my life was nothing until they came into it!

It's not easy and it's not for everyone, but the return on investment is immeasurable and infinite!
Wow, I am so sorry! No purpose in life before kids? I feel the complete opposite- I have so much purpose in life, so much happiness, and so many things to do with my life, that I have no compelling desire or reason to give all of that up to have kids. I know it's extreme to say it that way, but essentially, if I choose to have kids, I can no longer have the life I lead now- the kid would be the absolute #1 priority, and every choice I make would be about putting them first. I LOVE my life how it is, and have no desire to be forced to give up how I live for someone else. Since I have no true desire to have kids, no mothering gene or whatever, I really don't see why I would have them. Believe me, I am NOT missing out on something that I just don't want. But I can also understand how much love people have for their kids. Our species would not survive if people didn't automatically fall in love with their own offspring- but if I don't have them, I'm not missing it.... And by the way- I love kids, love people with kids, am great with kids and always get the comment 'you would be such a great mom!' And I am- to my dog I just wish that it weren't such a big deal to choose NOT to have them.

so why do you hate kids?


2010-08-17 9:21 AM
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bootygirl - 2010-08-16 7:36 PM

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And stop asking me when we are going to start a family...we ARE a family.


Like!

 

Me too. 



Me Three  

My wife and I have been married for 15 years and have said no kids all along.  We just aren't wired for kids.  I have the utmost respect and admiration for good parents and all the stuff they do but it's just not for us. 


2010-08-17 9:34 AM
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ratherbesnowboarding - 2010-08-17 9:49 AM

jazz82482 - 2010-08-16 8:07 PM
hrliles - 2010-08-14 8:27 PM A lot of people ask themselvs that age old question "what is my purpose in life".  I always wondered until I had my first, Colby!  When I realized I was given a gift, a life, totally dependant upon me and my wife, I realized then and there exactly what God put me here for.  Now I have 2 more girls and my life was nothing until they came into it!

It's not easy and it's not for everyone, but the return on investment is immeasurable and infinite!
Wow, I am so sorry! No purpose in life before kids? I feel the complete opposite- I have so much purpose in life, so much happiness, and so many things to do with my life, that I have no compelling desire or reason to give all of that up to have kids. I know it's extreme to say it that way, but essentially, if I choose to have kids, I can no longer have the life I lead now- the kid would be the absolute #1 priority, and every choice I make would be about putting them first. I LOVE my life how it is, and have no desire to be forced to give up how I live for someone else. Since I have no true desire to have kids, no mothering gene or whatever, I really don't see why I would have them. Believe me, I am NOT missing out on something that I just don't want. But I can also understand how much love people have for their kids. Our species would not survive if people didn't automatically fall in love with their own offspring- but if I don't have them, I'm not missing it.... And by the way- I love kids, love people with kids, am great with kids and always get the comment 'you would be such a great mom!' And I am- to my dog I just wish that it weren't such a big deal to choose NOT to have them.


There needs to be a 'kudos' or a 'like' button.  but here we just do...

x2. 

I understand that doing it this way does help to pad the post count :p

Well said an we feel the same way.  My parents did get the bumper sticker "Ask me about my grand-dog"


Haha- my mom just got a pillow that says "So you're telling me my grandchild....is a dog??" I think she has finally realized that when I say no kids, I really mean it.

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2010-08-17 9:36 AM
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rayd - 2010-08-17 10:04 AM

jazz82482 - 2010-08-16 6:07 PM
hrliles - 2010-08-14 8:27 PM A lot of people ask themselvs that age old question "what is my purpose in life".  I always wondered until I had my first, Colby!  When I realized I was given a gift, a life, totally dependant upon me and my wife, I realized then and there exactly what God put me here for.  Now I have 2 more girls and my life was nothing until they came into it!

It's not easy and it's not for everyone, but the return on investment is immeasurable and infinite!
Wow, I am so sorry! No purpose in life before kids? I feel the complete opposite- I have so much purpose in life, so much happiness, and so many things to do with my life, that I have no compelling desire or reason to give all of that up to have kids. I know it's extreme to say it that way, but essentially, if I choose to have kids, I can no longer have the life I lead now- the kid would be the absolute #1 priority, and every choice I make would be about putting them first. I LOVE my life how it is, and have no desire to be forced to give up how I live for someone else. Since I have no true desire to have kids, no mothering gene or whatever, I really don't see why I would have them. Believe me, I am NOT missing out on something that I just don't want. But I can also understand how much love people have for their kids. Our species would not survive if people didn't automatically fall in love with their own offspring- but if I don't have them, I'm not missing it.... And by the way- I love kids, love people with kids, am great with kids and always get the comment 'you would be such a great mom!' And I am- to my dog I just wish that it weren't such a big deal to choose NOT to have them.

so why do you hate kids?


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2010-08-17 9:36 AM
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dp, sorry

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2010-08-17 9:56 AM
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I have 5 kids and think it is great when people have the freedom to choose if they have children.
My grandmother was a career woman, very unusual during that time and should not have had children.  Obviously I am glad she did because I am here.  However, she was not maternal and did not parent/Mother her children well.  Motherhood was thrust upon her and expected.  I honestly feel sorry for her.  Not having children wasn't really an option in the 40s.  Of course she could have become a nun but that wasn't her calling.  She just wanted to work and move up the ladder.

I am not an expert on the whole population thing but have a friend in Greece who sees it as a huge problem with her country.  From what she has told me the population of Greece is dropping leaving them vulnerable to other countries around them. 
I personally don't feel the number of people is the issue but how we use our resources.  I can tell you that our family of 7 puts out half the amount of trash as the family of 4 next door to us.  We use cloth diapers, no bottles/formula/baby food, compost and do our best to reduce, reuse and recycle.  It's all in how you live.  My brother and sister didn't have children so I guess I made up for them.



2010-08-17 1:59 PM
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2010-08-17 9:53 PM
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I would have loved to have had kids.  I would have loved to have met the  man of my dreams at 28yo... so I could pop out 5 kids... I would have loved it.  I would have loved alot of things that didn't happen for me.  I never met the man that made my heart go pitter patter... until 1.5yrs ago at the age of 46.

I am now getting married at 48yo... kissed alot of toads, but damn it was worth the wait.  I knew I would never settle, and I didn't... and it was worth it.... however, I am much too old to have kids.  It wasn't in the card for me, that I know.  I know what was right, and getting married up until now was never right... never ever felt right... therefore, I know... kids was not in the cards for me or IT simply would have happened.

I carry on... praying daily as I always do for God's will... he apparently didn't want me to have kids, but I'm so glad he threw a hot man at me before I'm 50... that I can kiss and hug and make my husband... that is pretty damn awesome... I waited a LONNNNNNNNNNNNG time for that to happen.Tongue out
2010-08-17 10:36 PM
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Congrats on finding your prince!

pigfinn - 2010-08-17 9:53 PM I would have loved to have had kids.  I would have loved to have met the  man of my dreams at 28yo... so I could pop out 5 kids... I would have loved it.  I would have loved alot of things that didn't happen for me.  I never met the man that made my heart go pitter patter... until 1.5yrs ago at the age of 46.

I am now getting married at 48yo... kissed alot of toads, but damn it was worth the wait.  I knew I would never settle, and I didn't... and it was worth it.... however, I am much too old to have kids.  It wasn't in the card for me, that I know.  I know what was right, and getting married up until now was never right... never ever felt right... therefore, I know... kids was not in the cards for me or IT simply would have happened.

I carry on... praying daily as I always do for God's will... he apparently didn't want me to have kids, but I'm so glad he threw a hot man at me before I'm 50... that I can kiss and hug and make my husband... that is pretty damn awesome... I waited a LONNNNNNNNNNNNG time for that to happen.Tongue out

2011-04-21 8:47 AM
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Bump -Instead of starting a new thread, just rehashing the old.

 

Came across an interesting article last night.  A couple stories really resonated with me and my wife. I really liked the 'Uncle vs Dad' on page 3


The No-Baby Boom

 

2011-04-21 9:10 AM
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I'm confuzzled that the Subject is about No Kids, yet there was a question about "do you have kids?".


2011-04-21 9:11 AM
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That's probably the best article I've read in a long time.

My favorite and accurate statement: "Unless you're among the less than 2 percent of Americans who farm for a living and might conceivably rely on offspring for free labor, children have gone from being an economic asset to an economic liability."

 

2011-04-21 9:11 AM
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It's an interesting article. One thought...He made a lot of valid points (and ones which I agree with and are reasons I don't want kinds myself), but, honestly, I sort of found his tone off-putting, condescending, and kind of snotty. "Actually, regret is more common among the breeders." "Breeders"??

I am one of the people who could never have kids, and be perfectly happy. I agree with most of his arguments in theory. But I read his words, and they made me feel...eh, dirty. Like it made ME want  to say "You people will die fruitless and unloved! You will regret your life!" (to myself :p).

I get that that's his schtick...and believe me, I get the pent up annoyance. I just think it sort of makes us look bad.



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2011-04-21 9:12 AM
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That whole article is a scream.  I particularly liked this paragraph:

But for the child-free, the benefits go beyond dollars and cents. There's less guilt, less worry, less responsibility, more sleep, more free time, more disposable income, no awkward conversations about Teen Mom, no forced relationships with people just because your kids like theirkids, no chauffeuring other people's kids in your minivan to soccer games you find less appealing than televised chess.

Pretty much sums it up for me!

And considering my husband and I are heading off to Europe for the next two weeks, I am sure glad I don't have to account for kid(s) too!  It was hard enough to remember to stop the mail.
2011-04-21 9:15 AM
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Yeah, I wouldn't send this article to a "breeder" as any sort of proof why being childfree is a good idea.  He's definitely using a certain tone to prove his point and not everyone would take it well.   It's more like an inside joke.  I even think my husband, an "Acquiesor", would find this article to be harsh.


mmrocker13 - 2011-04-21 9:11 AM

It's an interesting article. One thought...He made a lot of valid points (and ones which I agree with and are reasons I don't want kinds myself), but, honestly, I sort of found his tone off-putting, condescending, and kind of snotty. "Actually, regret is more common among the breeders." "Breeders"?

I am one of the people who could never have kids, and be perfectly happy. I agree with most of his arguments in theory. But I read his words, and they made me feel...eh, dirty. Like it made ME want  to say "You people will die fruitless and unloved! You will regret your life!" (to myself :p).

I get that that's his schtick...and believe me, I get the pent up annoyance. I just think it sort of makes us look bad.

2011-04-21 9:17 AM
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Having three GREAT kids, I shake my head at what I see as very selfish, cold, and uncaring in a couple of posts.  But, to each their own.


2011-04-21 9:19 AM
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1stTimeTri - 2011-04-21 10:17 AM Having three GREAT kids, I shake my head at what I see as very selfish, cold, and uncaring in a couple of posts.  But, to each their own.

 

"Oh, don't be so philosophical, Phil".

2011-04-21 9:33 AM
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1stTimeTri - 2011-04-21 10:17 AM Having three GREAT kids, I shake my head at what I see as very selfish, cold, and uncaring in a couple of posts.  But, to each their own.

I have no doubt that you have great kids.  But the reality is that for many of us that don't want kids, it's not an emotional transaction.  I look at having kids from a logical (read: unemotional) aspect. 

Just like my mother said, "You can't have a family without kids".  That is just as selfish, cold and uncaring as saying "I have more free time and enjoy my life better without kids".

It's simply perspective.

2011-04-21 9:37 AM
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1stTimeTri - 2011-04-21 10:17 AM Having three GREAT kids, I shake my head at what I see as very selfish, cold, and uncaring in a couple of posts.  But, to each their own.

 

And you think that they would make good parents w/ those attributes?  Wouldn't our society be better off with kids whose parents care about them and are willing to sacrifice their freedoms for child rearing rather than those that dont care or refer to their kids as a mistake or are selfish cold and uncaring?  How many times have you said "where are those kids parents"? 

Society has judged the childless negatively for so long that it is refreshing to see that the stigma is lowering and more people are making it a choice and are open about it.

 


2011-04-21 9:37 AM
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mrbbrad - 2011-04-21 9:19 AM

1stTimeTri - 2011-04-21 10:17 AM Having three GREAT kids, I shake my head at what I see as very selfish, cold, and uncaring in a couple of posts.  But, to each their own.

 

"Oh, don't be so philosophical, Phil".

I'm picking up my books, Brad.

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