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 2011-02-17 10:30 PM in reply to: #3361053 |
 49 |  Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:UWMadTri - 2011-02-17 9:57 PM Y'all keep talking about money, when it's really about collective bargaining and absolutely no negotiation. THAT'S the beef. I spoke to many many people today and they all know they need to take a pay cut. They just want to be able to have their right to bargain collectively. If that's asking too much, I dunno... Why should state employees have the right to collectively bargain? I mean that seriously. Why? What is it about state employees that makes it so they should have this guarantee? Moreover, what gives state employee unions the right to force all state employees to join their union in order to hold a public job? Why shouldn't each employee have the right to decide whether he or she wishes to join the union? Do you realize that over 50% of all union dues are used for polical campaign funds? In 2008, over 60% of AFSCME union dues when towards electing Democrats. What if you are a Republican and you want to work for the state of WI? Why should you be forced to join a union and pay union dues, over half of which go to the Dem party? How is that fair? Dues for WEAC Council 1, the largest group of the teachers union in WI are $36.12 per month and are paid for 10 months of the year. That is $361.20 per year. Approximately $189 of that was given to Democratic election funds during the Nov elections. I have been a card carrying member of the GOP since I was 17. Why should I have to give $189/year to the DNC just to have the "privilege" of working for the state? Public employees in WI have defined benefit plans. Do you know how rare those are? They have better health insurance coverage that I will ever have, regardless of the price. So, why should they have the right to collectively bargain? And, more importantly, why should they be allowed to force that agenda on others? |
| 2011-02-17 10:38 PM in reply to: #3360998 |
| 49 | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: burhed - 2011-02-17 9:05 PM JSA "Those who feel victimized by the bill have been isolated from the harsh realities of our current economic climate. We, the people of the State of Wisconsin, are at fault. All of us. We allowed our elected leaders and our public officials to govern with no self-control. We allowed ourselves to become burried in debt. We have no where else to turn. We can print no more money. Those who feel this is an attack on public sector employees are ignoring the very platform on which Gov Walker ran. He has set forth an agenda that will cause all of us -- everyone in this state -- some ecomonic pain. But, what choice do we have? Where else can we go?" I agree with most of your post and it's nice to see somebody here that does have an intimate knowledge of the situation. One thing I don't understand though is the comment that those whole feel victimized have been isolated by the harsh realities. Wasn't taking unpaid furloughs a harsh reality? And from my understanding many state employees have not seen a pay increase in a few years (sorry don't have a link to prove that). As far as all of us feeling economic pain; the only thing that is not mentioned as a possible solution is a tax increase. As you mentioned we got ourselves into this mess, maybe all of us, not just public sector, need to help pay for this as well through increase in taxes. I don't like this idea either, but what choice do we have, where else can we go? Also, (and I guess this is where I'm a bleeding heart liberal) why is it a race to the bottom? What's wrong with having teachers and state employees getting nice benefits? I know many (as in at least 100) state employees (I work in the private sector and make over six figures) and I can assure you that they are not driving BMW's and living in McMansions. Well, the last thing in the world you want to do is raise taxes during a recession. WI is already in the top 10 (and I think in the top 5) in state income and property tax. Given our unemployment rate of around 9.7%, we really cannot handle any more taxes. What we really need right now is to lower expenditures. We are simply spending too much money and we have to stop. This is just the first step. The public employees will not be the only ones feeling the pain. This is just front and center right now. When Walker took over, the Doyle admin reported a $2.2B deficit. However, what they failed to disclose, until November of last year, was that there was a "hidden" $1B on top of that. This $1B that was not disclosed was assumed to be made up by imposing the same furloughs as last fiscal year and the same layoffs (plus some salary reductions). Walker does not want to do that again. So, we are really looking at a $3.2B deficit. We have to stop spending and we have to start somewhere. You cannot keep milking the public dry. We have to attract business to this state. Look at what happened to Mercury Marine this past year. Look at what is happening to Harley Davidson. Those are just a few. We have to cut corporate taxes to get those companies to stay and new companies to join. There simply are no more taxes to raise. |
| 2011-02-17 10:43 PM in reply to: #3361053 |
Expert 1192   Oak Creek, WI | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: UWMadTri - 2011-02-17 9:57 PMY'all keep talking about money, when it's really about collective bargaining and absolutely no negotiation. THAT'S the beef. I spoke to many many people today and they all know they need to take a pay cut. They just want to be able to have their right to bargain collectively. This I truly do not understand... Not trying to be argumentative... but why do you need collective bargaining...??? I truly believe that this benefits poor performing employees and caps the upside of good employees... I genuinely cannot see how that is not the case... Would be happy to learn otherwise... Maybe I'm on my own little island but I see how the unions brought down the auto industry... And I see how they continually damage good companies... And now i think most people see and understand how they are damaging govt... And unlike what can be done in the private sector their response is just tax other people more... Make it their problem... So i think most of us are saying "no"... That's enough... It's time we all pitch in to fix this... As an interesting aside... I am watching a great documentary on reagan as I type this and they are currently talking about how he took on the air traffic controllers and put the wheels in motion of drastically reducing unions in america... LYle bless Reagan...!!!If that's asking too much, I dunno... Edited by bscharff 2011-02-17 10:48 PM |
| 2011-02-17 11:06 PM in reply to: #3357526 |
Expert 1002 | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: I've got nothing. There's nothing I can say that won't be argued. If you can't see that the state workers deserve their RIGHT (Wi. Stat. Ch. 111) to bargain collectively, I don't think we'll ever agree on anything. Despite the overwhelming disagreement on this board, anyone reading this should know that the Wisconsin people have spoken and we will not stop until Walker sits down and makes changes to this bill. If you disagree with this and think all of your friends disagree with this, have them vote. Only 17% of ~40,000 people polled said they agree with this bill. Who's the minority?? http://www.jsonline.com/polls/115922949.html?results=y&mr=1&oid=3&pid=115922949&cid=8500544 |
| 2011-02-17 11:22 PM in reply to: #3361097 |
| 49 | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: UWMadTri - 2011-02-17 11:06 PM I've got nothing. There's nothing I can say that won't be argued. If you can't see that the state workers deserve their RIGHT (Wi. Stat. Ch. 111) to bargain collectively, I don't think we'll ever agree on anything. Despite the overwhelming disagreement on this board, anyone reading this should know that the Wisconsin people have spoken and we will not stop until Walker sits down and makes changes to this bill. If you disagree with this and think all of your friends disagree with this, have them vote. Only 17% of ~40,000 people polled said they agree with this bill. Who's the minority?? http://www.jsonline.com/polls/115922949.html?results=y&mr=1&oid=3&pid=115922949&cid=8500544 Actually, my friend, the people of WI spoke in November and their voices were heard. Walker ran on this platform and won by a landslide. Both houses of the legislature flipped from Dem to Rep. This past Tuesday, Conservative WI Supreme Court Justice Prosser took an overwhelming majority of the votes in the primary. In Milwaukee County, only 1 conservative/Rep, Jeff Stone, ran in a 5 person race for Milwaukee County Executive and he took nearly double the vote of the next highest person. The people of WI have spoken. You should be careful when you try to use polling data. Funny thing about polls, you need to look at how the question is asked and to whom. See, 57% of over 60,000 people polled would vote in FAVOR of the bill: http://www.jsonline.com/polls/116392154.html?results=y&mr=1&oid=1&pid=116392154&cid=8500544 |
| 2011-02-18 12:51 AM in reply to: #3361107 |
Expert 1002 | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: JSA - 2011-02-17 11:22 PM UWMadTri - 2011-02-17 11:06 PM I've got nothing. There's nothing I can say that won't be argued. If you can't see that the state workers deserve their RIGHT (Wi. Stat. Ch. 111) to bargain collectively, I don't think we'll ever agree on anything. Despite the overwhelming disagreement on this board, anyone reading this should know that the Wisconsin people have spoken and we will not stop until Walker sits down and makes changes to this bill. If you disagree with this and think all of your friends disagree with this, have them vote. Only 17% of ~40,000 people polled said they agree with this bill. Who's the minority?? http://www.jsonline.com/polls/115922949.html?results=y&mr=1&oid=3&pid=115922949&cid=8500544 Actually, my friend, the people of WI spoke in November and their voices were heard. Walker ran on this platform and won by a landslide. Both houses of the legislature flipped from Dem to Rep. This past Tuesday, Conservative WI Supreme Court Justice Prosser took an overwhelming majority of the votes in the primary. In Milwaukee County, only 1 conservative/Rep, Jeff Stone, ran in a 5 person race for Milwaukee County Executive and he took nearly double the vote of the next highest person. The people of WI have spoken. You should be careful when you try to use polling data. Funny thing about polls, you need to look at how the question is asked and to whom. See, 57% of over 60,000 people polled would vote in FAVOR of the bill: http://www.jsonline.com/polls/116392154.html?results=y&mr=1&oid=1&pid=116392154&cid=8500544 Oh, I absolutely agree that they spoke. My belief in democracy is strong...I was ready to support Walker even though I did not vote for him. The rail peeved me off, but I got past it. This?? No. Absolutely not. I think it would be very interesting to see how things would have shaken up if Walker said that he was going to strip collective bargaining rights. There's also a lot that has changed since your poll was posted, but your point is well taken. At this point, Walker has too much national pressure not to make the collective bargaining concessions. Senate Dems are willing to go to jail to wait this out, 2 Republican Senators are with them and 5 more are on the fence now. Let's see what the people say now. |
| 2011-02-18 1:19 AM in reply to: #3357526 |
Expert 1002 | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: And one more thing: do you all support the billion dollars that Walker wants to cut from education next week? 20% from Milwaukee alone?! Look at Minnesota...top 5% of income earners have a 3% increase in taxes, plus increase in property taxes over $1 million dollars... it's going to generate $3 BILLION in two years. Walker's plan here will save $300 MILLION. You still support this guy? Before you answer, think about that. |
| 2011-02-18 5:01 AM in reply to: #3361097 |
Pro 3906  Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: UWMadTri - 2011-02-17 11:06 PM I've got nothing. There's nothing I can say that won't be argued. If you can't see that the state workers deserve their RIGHT (Wi. Stat. Ch. 111) to bargain collectively, I don't think we'll ever agree on anything. Despite the overwhelming disagreement on this board, anyone reading this should know that the Wisconsin people have spoken and we will not stop until Walker sits down and makes changes to this bill. If you disagree with this and think all of your friends disagree with this, have them vote. Only 17% of ~40,000 people polled said they agree with this bill. Who's the minority?? http://www.jsonline.com/polls/115922949.html?results=y&mr=1&oid=3&pid=115922949&cid=8500544[/QUOTE] Nobody has answered my question as to why the right of collective bargaining is being lamented yet anybody that would ever want to negotiate on their own is unable to. One could argue a lot of the problem with slow salary upticks for performers is that the collective bargaining system in itself is inefficient and allows non-performers to milk the system. So again, why isnt there a right for a teacher to be their own advocate and seek out the best opportunities for themselves? RE the poll, I thought the political system was based on who we put in office and not internet polls? |
| 2011-02-18 6:25 AM in reply to: #3361053 |
| Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: UWMadTri - 2011-02-17 8:57 PM Y'all keep talking about money, when it's really about collective bargaining and absolutely no negotiation. THAT'S the beef. I spoke to many many people today and they all know they need to take a pay cut. They just want to be able to have their right to bargain collectively. If that's asking too much, I dunno... I have yet to collectively bargain my salary/benefits. I am ok with the public sector not being able to as well. I think at one point in time, way before my time, unions and/or collective bargaining was a good thing. It was started to protect the employees. And like many good things they took it too far. IMO it's one of the primary reasons the price of goods has risen so high. Dude wouldn't have lost my vote if that was in his platform when he ran (assuming he my vote in the first place of course) |
| 2011-02-18 6:58 AM in reply to: #3357526 |
Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: Thank you to those that are contributing to this thread. |
| 2011-02-18 8:04 AM in reply to: #3357526 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: I was on the road all day yesterday so I skimmed the last 8 pages. My thoughts.. 1. The Democratic senators who skipped town should be ashamed. How is it a democratic process when they are trying to force the governor to change the bill just because they are going to lose the vote? They should all be removed from office for wasting tax payer money and acting like complete children. 2. What is being WAY under reported is that in exchange for these concessions the Governor is promising that there will be no layoffs or furloughs. Just like the auto unions they would rather have people lose jobs than give an inch. 3. Where is it written that anyone has a right to collective bargaining? A vast majority of the people in the public sector don't. Don't like what you are being paid in your career? Then go start a new one. Go find a place that does not have a teacher's union. 4. I hope all of these teachers are being docked pay for not showing up to work. The democratic senators as well. Edited by TriRSquared 2011-02-18 8:05 AM |
| 2011-02-18 8:07 AM in reply to: #3361097 |
Pro 4675 Wisconsin near the Twin Cities metro | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: UWMadTri - 2011-02-17 11:06 PM Despite the overwhelming disagreement on this board, anyone reading this should know that the Wisconsin people have spoken and we will not stop until Walker sits down and makes changes to this bill. If you disagree with this and think all of your friends disagree with this, have them vote. Only 17% of ~40,000 people polled said they agree with this bill. Who's the minority?? http://www.jsonline.com/polls/115922949.html?results=y&mr=1&oid=3&pid=115922949&cid=8500544 I'm no human dimensions expert on the science of polling and how questions should be worded without biasing the person being questioned, but the wording of this poll is a joke. I find it hard to believe that by just reading the poll question alone that many of those 40,000 people have even a slight understanding of the intricacies of the issue. Here's the actual poll question linked: How do you feel about Gov. Walker's plan for the public workers' unions?Gov. Scott Walker wants to help fix state finances by cutting benefits for union workers and wiping away their ability to negotiate over anything but their wages, setting up a potentially explosive battle in the Capitol. The choices given people to choose from were so misleading its not even funny.
Edited by Birkierunner 2011-02-18 8:13 AM |
| 2011-02-18 8:07 AM in reply to: #3361097 |
Champion 18680 Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: UWMadTri - 2011-02-18 12:06 AM I've got nothing. There's nothing I can say that won't be argued. If you can't see that the state workers deserve their RIGHT (Wi. Stat. Ch. 111) to bargain collectively, I don't think we'll ever agree on anything. Despite the overwhelming disagreement on this board, anyone reading this should know that the Wisconsin people have spoken and we will not stop until Walker sits down and makes changes to this bill. If you disagree with this and think all of your friends disagree with this, have them vote. Only 17% of ~40,000 people polled said they agree with this bill. Who's the minority?? http://www.jsonline.com/polls/115922949.html?results=y&mr=1&oid=3&pid=115922949&cid=8500544 1) Collective bargaining for public sector employees is a HUGE conflict of interest. Where else do you spend vast amounts of money to hire the people you have to bargain with. Those same people are then beholden to you for their job. 2) I find it interesting that price fixing by business is considered evil yet price fixing by labor is virtuous. |
| 2011-02-18 8:08 AM in reply to: #3357526 |
| Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: JSA brought up a good point or question which I find curious as well, why are the WI state employees forced to join a group that contributes so much money to a political party they may not agree with? Welcome to BT JSA, good stuff on this topic. |
| 2011-02-18 8:10 AM in reply to: #3361097 |
Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: UWMadTri - 2011-02-18 12:06 AM I've got nothing. If you disagree with this and think all of your friends disagree with this, have them vote. Only 17% of ~40,000 people polled said they agree with this bill. Who's the minority?? The question isn't who in that poll is the majority or minority. The question is, who in the poll even understands the bill before voting. I heard the story on the radio this morning and it was blatently incorrect in terms of facts. Heck, if that is all I knew about the story, I would vote on the "not in favor" side as well. |
| 2011-02-18 8:43 AM in reply to: #3361131 |
Pro 4675 Wisconsin near the Twin Cities metro | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: UWMadTri - 2011-02-18 1:19 AM And one more thing: do you all support the billion dollars that Walker wants to cut from education next week? 20% from Milwaukee alone?! Look at Minnesota...top 5% of income earners have a 3% increase in taxes, plus increase in property taxes over $1 million dollars... it's going to generate $3 BILLION in two years. Walker's plan here will save $300 MILLION. You still support this guy? Before you answer, think about that. I thought about it.....Yep...cut it. Gov. Dayton in MN is taking the lazy approach by PROPOSING the above and invoking class warfare...it hasn't even happened yet as you seem to suggest above. Practically the only thing I heard from him during his campaign was "I'm gonna make the rich pay their fair share". Fair share??? We don't need to go thru the fallacies of that thinking again here. Dayton should do his job and take a hard look at the MN budget, make cuts, and stop spending. You point to the $300 million of Walker's proposal and act like that's the only thing he wants to cut from the entire state budget, so comparing $3 B to $300 M is meaningless. Edited by Birkierunner 2011-02-18 8:44 AM |
| 2011-02-18 8:45 AM in reply to: #3357526 |
Extreme Veteran 312 | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: What a joke that the Dems run and hide out of state - really!!! Then they go disrupt business at an IL hotel and spend no money there - nice huh. People need to wake up and realize that there is not any money left - many states are on the verge of bankruptcy. The need to be fiscally responsible is finally here, businesses in the real world have dealt with this for years and run a business as a business. |
| 2011-02-18 8:53 AM in reply to: #3361097 |
Expert 1192 Oak Creek, WI | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: UWMadTri - 2011-02-17 11:06 PM I've got nothing. There's nothing I can say that won't be argued. If you can't see that the state workers deserve their RIGHT (Wi. Stat. Ch. 111) to bargain collectively, I don't think we'll ever agree on anything. Despite the overwhelming disagreement on this board, anyone reading this should know that the Wisconsin people have spoken and we will not stop until Walker sits down and makes changes to this bill. If you disagree with this and think all of your friends disagree with this, have them vote. Only 17% of ~40,000 people polled said they agree with this bill. Who's the minority?? http://www.jsonline.com/polls/115922949.html?results=y&mr=1&oid=3&pid=115922949&cid=8500544 At one point people had the RIGHT to own slaves... so i find your argument weak at best... some RIGHTS are damaging and need to be changed... I believe that the madison teachers mob is making our case just fine... |
| 2011-02-18 9:04 AM in reply to: #3361131 |
Master 2346 Dayton, Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: UWMadTri - 2011-02-18 1:19 AM Look at Minnesota...top 5% of income earners have a 3% increase in taxes, plus increase in property taxes over $1 million dollars... it's going to generate $3 BILLION in two years. Walker's plan here will save $300 MILLION. Just have to comment on this part to clarify... This is part of Gov. Dayton's PROPOSED budget for Minnesota for next year. There is no way it's going to pass in its current form (just as any proposed budget wouldn't pass unchanged in any other state either), and the two things you highlight above are the two things that are the most likely to be vehemently argued. (Disclosure: I did not vote for either Dayton (D) or Emmer (R). I am very middle-of-the-road and didn't agree with either of them.) |
| 2011-02-18 9:10 AM in reply to: #3361388 |
| Member 169 | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: Birkierunner - 2011-02-18 8:43 AM UWMadTri - 2011-02-18 1:19 AM And one more thing: do you all support the billion dollars that Walker wants to cut from education next week? 20% from Milwaukee alone?! Look at Minnesota...top 5% of income earners have a 3% increase in taxes, plus increase in property taxes over $1 million dollars... it's going to generate $3 BILLION in two years. Walker's plan here will save $300 MILLION. You still support this guy? Before you answer, think about that. I thought about it.....Yep...cut it. Gov. Dayton in MN is taking the lazy approach by PROPOSING the above and invoking class warfare...it hasn't even happened yet as you seem to suggest above. Practically the only thing I heard from him during his campaign was "I'm gonna make the rich pay their fair share". Fair share??? We don't need to go thru the fallacies of that thinking again here. Dayton should do his job and take a hard look at the MN budget, make cuts, and stop spending. You point to the $300 million of Walker's proposal and act like that's the only thing he wants to cut from the entire state budget, so comparing $3 B to $300 M is meaningless. Proposing a tax increase on high income earners is class warfare, but cutting the salary and benefits of middle class people isn't? Cutting public education which would effect low income students the most while higher income could just send to a private school is not class warfare? |
| 2011-02-18 9:14 AM in reply to: #3361436 |
Pro 4675 Wisconsin near the Twin Cities metro | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: burhed - 2011-02-18 9:10 AM Birkierunner - 2011-02-18 8:43 AM Proposing a tax increase on high income earners is class warfare, but cutting the salary and benefits of middle class people isn't? Cutting public education which would effect low income students the most while higher income could just send to a private school is not class warfare?UWMadTri - 2011-02-18 1:19 AM And one more thing: do you all support the billion dollars that Walker wants to cut from education next week? 20% from Milwaukee alone?! Look at Minnesota...top 5% of income earners have a 3% increase in taxes, plus increase in property taxes over $1 million dollars... it's going to generate $3 BILLION in two years. Walker's plan here will save $300 MILLION. You still support this guy? Before you answer, think about that. I thought about it.....Yep...cut it. Gov. Dayton in MN is taking the lazy approach by PROPOSING the above and invoking class warfare...it hasn't even happened yet as you seem to suggest above. Practically the only thing I heard from him during his campaign was "I'm gonna make the rich pay their fair share". Fair share??? We don't need to go thru the fallacies of that thinking again here. Dayton should do his job and take a hard look at the MN budget, make cuts, and stop spending. You point to the $300 million of Walker's proposal and act like that's the only thing he wants to cut from the entire state budget, so comparing $3 B to $300 M is meaningless. How you get class warfare out of proposing to make a small percentage of the middle class (not the entire middle class!!!!) pay just a tiny portion towards their own pension like many other people have to do is simply beyond me....truly...do you even realize what you just said?? edit: as for cutting public education...show me your data that says low income students would be affected the most...I have to believe that a HUGE portion of middle class people send their kids to public schools as well, so how do you get class warfare against the lower class out of that? Edited by Birkierunner 2011-02-18 9:25 AM |
| 2011-02-18 9:15 AM in reply to: #3361131 |
Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: UWMadTri - 2011-02-18 1:19 AMAnd one more thing: do you all support the billion dollars that Walker wants to cut from education next week? 20% from Milwaukee alone?! Look at Minnesota...top 5% of income earners have a 3% increase in taxes, plus increase in property taxes over $1 million dollars... it's going to generate $3 BILLION in two years. Walker's plan here will save $300 MILLION. You still support this guy? Before you answer, think about that. |
| 2011-02-18 9:16 AM in reply to: #3361131 |
Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: UWMadTri - 2011-02-18 1:19 AM And one more thing: do you all support the billion dollars that Walker wants to cut from education next week? 20% from Milwaukee alone?! as with this topic, i would probably seek more knowledge as to the whys instead of making judgements on headlines and spin. this thread and this week have been very interesting to learn more about just how deep folks actually analyze these things. there are a lot of folks that put much thought into this and then others that simply parrot out headlines and misinformation (i.e. the national guard being used as skull crushers in this). can you tell me there is no inefficiency in this system and if there is, why should it continue to be subsidized by just raising taxes? everybody got too involved with perceptions of how well off they should be due to a cocktail of ez 'money' through the tech boom, real estate boom, loose credit standards, etc. so now we as a state and nation are where we need to look at reality and cut out the cr@p including mak resonable decisions on govt spending. Is it true that the union had previously thumbed their noses at a chance to bargain Look at Minnesota...top 5% of income earners have a 3% increase in taxes, plus increase in property taxes over $1 million dollars... it's going to generate $3 BILLION in two years. Walker's plan here will save $300 MILLION. You still support this guy? Before you answer, think about that. |
| 2011-02-18 9:17 AM in reply to: #3361315 |
| Member 169 | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: crusevegas - 2011-02-18 8:08 AM JSA brought up a good point or question which I find curious as well, why are the WI state employees forced to join a group that contributes so much money to a political party they may not agree with? Welcome to BT JSA, good stuff on this topic. Just as people mention that "if you don't like your salary or benefits working in the public sector then go find a job in private". If you don't like who your company / union is giving money to go find a job else where. I think this is a poor argument. I work for very large company that I know gives money to political parties that I don't agree with. In theory that money could go back in to my salary right? Or if you want to talk about the taxes we all hate, I don't agree with the war in Iraq, but my tax money still goes to support that. |
| 2011-02-18 9:20 AM in reply to: #3361131 |
| Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: UWMadTri - 2011-02-17 11:19 PM And one more thing: do you all support the billion dollars that Walker wants to cut from education next week? 20% from Milwaukee alone?! Look at Minnesota...top 5% of income earners have a 3% increase in taxes, plus increase in property taxes over $1 million dollars... it's going to generate $3 BILLION in two years. Walker's plan here will save $300 MILLION. You still support this guy? Before you answer, think about that. What happens to those #'s if 20% of those who are getting the tax increase move to a state with more favorable taxes? |
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