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2012-02-27 3:23 PM
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Had a great weekend of training, probably had my best run ever yesterday.  Really felt great.

Question for the group.  I have 5 weeks left to my HIM.  Not really following a plan, but it's been 2 week builds/1 week cutbacks, more or less.  If I build again this week, then cutback, that leaves me 3 weeks to the HIM.  one more 2 week build into taper?  Or one final week build, two week taper?  The latter sounds like a lot of taper for a HIM for me. 

Thoughts on how to structure the last 5 weeks? 



2012-02-27 3:32 PM
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I am doing two weeks of taper, but volume is still somewhat high in that 1st week, especially on the bike.  And still some intensity in there.
2012-02-28 6:49 AM
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What's everyone up to today.  I have an easy pace 1:10 run today and some strength training.  See if I can run without being blown away.  I think the winds have died somewhat but are still fairly strong out there.
2012-02-28 7:31 AM
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It's going to be one more slow training week for me. I'm interviewing in Tucson Thursday-Friday, and the BF leaves FL on Friday. 

So, it's two more days of cramming in time with him and friends, two days of travel, then I can really buckle down and start training harder. I miss it, but since I'm not going to see my boyfriend for a month, I think I can put it off a little longer

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ChrisM - 2012-02-27 3:23 PM

Had a great weekend of training, probably had my best run ever yesterday.  Really felt great.

Question for the group.  I have 5 weeks left to my HIM.  Not really following a plan, but it's been 2 week builds/1 week cutbacks, more or less.  If I build again this week, then cutback, that leaves me 3 weeks to the HIM.  one more 2 week build into taper?  Or one final week build, two week taper?  The latter sounds like a lot of taper for a HIM for me. 

Thoughts on how to structure the last 5 weeks? 

Great news on the awesome run Chris. I believe we are similar runners so take any advice I give with a grain of salt. I would run a race pace 10-11 three weeks out to make sure everything is good and establish what you think can be your race pace. Two weeks out I would still keep up intensity and knock it down to 8-9 miles for long run. Still keeping with some interval work and tempo runs to stay sharp. One week out I would look at 5-6 at race pace and then short stuff during race week. I'm not saying that is correct but it is the protocol I follow going in to 1/2 marathons that has worked well for me. Best of luck on the race. Any goals?
2012-02-28 7:37 AM
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bzgl40 - 2012-02-28 6:49 AMWhat's everyone up to today.  I have an easy pace 1:10 run today and some strength training.  See if I can run without being blown away.  I think the winds have died somewhat but are still fairly strong out there.
Was supposed to be on a rest day from running today with a 6 mile tempo for tomorrow. Need to take my daughter for her drivers test tomorrow morning so I'm going to try and get the run in tonight after school. Always a crap shoot trying to get out of school in time to run and get home in time for kids. We shall see.


2012-02-28 7:56 AM
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ChrisM - 2012-02-27 4:23 PM

Had a great weekend of training, probably had my best run ever yesterday.  Really felt great.

Question for the group.  I have 5 weeks left to my HIM.  Not really following a plan, but it's been 2 week builds/1 week cutbacks, more or less.  If I build again this week, then cutback, that leaves me 3 weeks to the HIM.  one more 2 week build into taper?  Or one final week build, two week taper?  The latter sounds like a lot of taper for a HIM for me. 

Thoughts on how to structure the last 5 weeks? 

I guess it depends on what you are defining as a build.  I would not necessarily be doing peak volume in the week prior to your race week but I would not be training as if it were taper time either.  I think a one week taper is plenty for a HIM.  Anything more than that and you risk being flat and not as sharp.  Looking at your current volume I think a one week taper is sufficient.

2012-02-28 8:00 AM
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I ran 8.5 this morning and going to hit the pool a little later.  It was a cold morning (20 deg) but no wind so that was good.

I have to go vote here later too.

2012-02-28 8:26 AM
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ChrisM - 2012-02-27 4:23 PM

Had a great weekend of training, probably had my best run ever yesterday.  Really felt great.

Question for the group.  I have 5 weeks left to my HIM.  Not really following a plan, but it's been 2 week builds/1 week cutbacks, more or less.  If I build again this week, then cutback, that leaves me 3 weeks to the HIM.  one more 2 week build into taper?  Or one final week build, two week taper?  The latter sounds like a lot of taper for a HIM for me. 

Thoughts on how to structure the last 5 weeks? 

Chris, With your sporadic training taking 2 weeks taper maybe ok. Extra rest before a race is never a bad idea.
2012-02-28 8:58 AM
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bzgl40 - 2012-02-28 7:49 AMWhat's everyone up to today.  I have an easy pace 1:10 run today and some strength training.  See if I can run without being blown away.  I think the winds have died somewhat but are still fairly strong out there.
A fast run this AM with 4x1/4 mile intervals @6:45 pace. At noon 4k swim with 4x800 built in.
2012-02-28 10:10 AM
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Got a 10 miler done last night, legs felt great for the first 5- then the last three dragged.  Gonna go swim tonight and hit the trainer and run tomorrow.


2012-02-28 10:19 AM
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tasr - 2012-02-28 9:58 AM
bzgl40 - 2012-02-28 7:49 AMWhat's everyone up to today.  I have an easy pace 1:10 run today and some strength training.  See if I can run without being blown away.  I think the winds have died somewhat but are still fairly strong out there.
A fast run this AM with 4x1/4 mile intervals @6:45 pace. At noon 4k swim with 4x800 built in.

Nice run!  4x800 Ugh!...I cannot do the long intervals like that.  500s are about my limit in the pool or I start to lose my sanity.

2012-02-28 10:42 AM
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tasr - 2012-02-28 9:58 AM
bzgl40 - 2012-02-28 7:49 AMWhat's everyone up to today.  I have an easy pace 1:10 run today and some strength training.  See if I can run without being blown away.  I think the winds have died somewhat but are still fairly strong out there.
A fast run this AM with 4x1/4 mile intervals @6:45 pace. At noon 4k swim with 4x800 built in.

Nice run!  4x800 Ugh!...I cannot do the long intervals like that.  500s are about my limit in the pool or I start to lose my sanity.

Well I'll let you know how it goes.
2012-02-28 10:54 AM
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Rudedog55 - 2012-02-28 11:10 AMGot a 10 miler done last night, legs felt great for the first 5- then the last three dragged.  Gonna go swim tonight and hit the trainer and run tomorrow.
Great job on getting the 10 miler done!
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Hi guys! Everyone's busy as usual!

Last night, I played floor hockey which was a good, challenging time as always.  My weekend was a little nutty. Lots of good intentions out the window but did manage a nice 5k with my sister in our hometown.  My mom had surgery last week so I was there helping out with some cooking and general help.  It was good to know I was there for her. But a weekend out of town really takes its toll.  But I won't be too hard on myself. Next week Ironman training officially starts so i will really be in it then!

Tonight, it appears that the hubby and I will be doing HR testing on the bike. Planning for some ST as well but we'll see how the legs do on the bike first!

2012-02-28 2:21 PM
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splits from my first tri in sept 2008, was just kinda looking back reminiscing, kinda fun to do every now and again

 
21m 24s5.50 miles15.42 Mi/hr 
 
 
 
28m 45s2.20 miles13m 04s/Mi 
 
 
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2012-02-28 2:27 PM
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rymac - 2012-02-28 11:19 AM

tasr - 2012-02-28 9:58 AM
bzgl40 - 2012-02-28 7:49 AMWhat's everyone up to today.  I have an easy pace 1:10 run today and some strength training.  See if I can run without being blown away.  I think the winds have died somewhat but are still fairly strong out there.
A fast run this AM with 4x1/4 mile intervals @6:45 pace. At noon 4k swim with 4x800 built in.

Nice run!  4x800 Ugh!...I cannot do the long intervals like that.  500s are about my limit in the pool or I start to lose my sanity.

OK that was interesting!

The swim workout out was;
300yds FR
4x800yds 90” rest
200yds FR CD
 
I have not done sets this big it a long time and it was Ugh!  I felt great the first 3 sets and was holding a nice 1:22 pace.  Hitting the wall before the last set I new it was going to be tough.  I held strong for nearly the first half of the last set then cracked.  I just felt like no power and was slowly loosing my kick.  I ended up with a1:35pace for the last set.  The last 200 was a cool down I did 250.  It took 7 minutes to do and was wiped.  When I got home I got something to eat and feel much better now typing this.  So just depleted energy and that makes me feel better. 

 



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2012-02-28 4:35 PM
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Fred D - 2012-02-28 12:00 PM

Great job on keeping the thread active guys.

I am in south Carolina eating some lunch. Tracie is going to so some if the driving now so I will get a but if a break.

Happy training!

 

Trucking right along aren't you.   Safe travel!

 

2012-02-28 4:56 PM
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mndiver - 2012-02-28 5:35 AM
ChrisM - 2012-02-27 3:23 PM

Had a great weekend of training, probably had my best run ever yesterday.  Really felt great.

Question for the group.  I have 5 weeks left to my HIM.  Not really following a plan, but it's been 2 week builds/1 week cutbacks, more or less.  If I build again this week, then cutback, that leaves me 3 weeks to the HIM.  one more 2 week build into taper?  Or one final week build, two week taper?  The latter sounds like a lot of taper for a HIM for me. 

Thoughts on how to structure the last 5 weeks? 

Great news on the awesome run Chris. I believe we are similar runners so take any advice I give with a grain of salt. I would run a race pace 10-11 three weeks out to make sure everything is good and establish what you think can be your race pace. Two weeks out I would still keep up intensity and knock it down to 8-9 miles for long run. Still keeping with some interval work and tempo runs to stay sharp. One week out I would look at 5-6 at race pace and then short stuff during race week. I'm not saying that is correct but it is the protocol I follow going in to 1/2 marathons that has worked well for me. Best of luck on the race. Any goals?


Thanks...  I know it's slow for some, but I'd like to have a HIM with a 5 as the first number.  In my best shape I went 6:00:30 at Pumpkinman in 2008.  had I known...   But all of my HIMs have had moderately hard bike courses (IM Cal., Wildflower, and Pumpkinman).     So, sub 30 swim, sub 3 bike and about 2:10 run


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ChrisM - 2012-02-28 4:56 PM
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ChrisM - 2012-02-27 3:23 PM

Had a great weekend of training, probably had my best run ever yesterday.  Really felt great.

Question for the group.  I have 5 weeks left to my HIM.  Not really following a plan, but it's been 2 week builds/1 week cutbacks, more or less.  If I build again this week, then cutback, that leaves me 3 weeks to the HIM.  one more 2 week build into taper?  Or one final week build, two week taper?  The latter sounds like a lot of taper for a HIM for me. 

Thoughts on how to structure the last 5 weeks? 

Great news on the awesome run Chris. I believe we are similar runners so take any advice I give with a grain of salt. I would run a race pace 10-11 three weeks out to make sure everything is good and establish what you think can be your race pace. Two weeks out I would still keep up intensity and knock it down to 8-9 miles for long run. Still keeping with some interval work and tempo runs to stay sharp. One week out I would look at 5-6 at race pace and then short stuff during race week. I'm not saying that is correct but it is the protocol I follow going in to 1/2 marathons that has worked well for me. Best of luck on the race. Any goals?


Thanks...  I know it's slow for some, but I'd like to have a HIM with a 5 as the first number.  In my best shape I went 6:00:30 at Pumpkinman in 2008.  had I known...   But all of my HIMs have had moderately hard bike courses (IM Cal., Wildflower, and Pumpkinman).     So, sub 30 swim, sub 3 bike and about 2:10 run
You need to come visit me in MN this summer. I have a couple of flat and fast HIM's lined up for the summer. Targeting sub 5:25.
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tasr - 2012-02-28 6:26 AM
ChrisM - 2012-02-27 4:23 PM

Had a great weekend of training, probably had my best run ever yesterday.  Really felt great.

Question for the group.  I have 5 weeks left to my HIM.  Not really following a plan, but it's been 2 week builds/1 week cutbacks, more or less.  If I build again this week, then cutback, that leaves me 3 weeks to the HIM.  one more 2 week build into taper?  Or one final week build, two week taper?  The latter sounds like a lot of taper for a HIM for me. 

Thoughts on how to structure the last 5 weeks? 

Chris, With your sporadic training taking 2 weeks taper maybe ok. Extra rest before a race is never a bad idea.

maybe I have a different understanding of the word sporadic?

My big worry is staying uninjured (knock wood).  If I do, that will be only the second season went into a big race without injury.  I always thought it went along with the territory

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