#57 - I Need a Drink - Gin and TANic (Page 74)

crowny2 - 2008-11-05 8:05 AM

Do NOT seek the treasure!!!

bcart1991 - 2008-11-05 8:05 AM

We saw a guy doing this in a strip club one night.  It was high comedy.

bcart1991 - 2008-11-05 10:05 AM

We saw a guy doing this in a strip club one night. It was high comedy.

Aikidoman - 2008-11-05 10:13 AM

He's bona fide!

Tope of page bona fide....

jdwright56 - 2008-11-05 10:17 AM

He's a suitor.

jdwright56 - 2008-11-05 11:13 AM

Ok - the wife and I got into a little argument last night - tell me if I am over reacting (most likely, I am). 

We were watching some show and these folks were trying to adopt a baby.  A lady agreed to select them and they went to meet her.  She turned out to be black.  They were a little concerned.  Immediaately, I said, "they must not want a baby too badly if they are going to turn one down because of the race of the child".  At this point, Steph said, "I domn't know, I'd have to think about that.  It would bring another dynamic into the situation".  What dynamic - I asked.  She said, well, you know, people tend to look at you differently in a family that has mixed race.  My answeer was  - and those people can go and F*&% themselves. 

Let's stop right there and examine this.  There is absolutely no room in my life for racism.  I detest it enough to get into a fistfight about it.  One of my best friends ever was named Anthony and he watched my back and I watched his for a couple of years, until one day, I was unable to watch his well enough and he did not make it out of Panama.  It happens that Anthony was of African-American descent man, but it didn't matter to me if he was black, red, blue green yellow or purple.  He was my brother.  This was a big change for me, as my Father was a bit of a closet bigot and we had to deal with that on a deeper level when I got out of the Corps.  OK, back to the happening.

She then said, well, it wouldn;t matter to me either, but I would want to consider how it would affect my family?  How would it affect them?  Would they not want us around if we adopted a vietnamese baby?   If that is the case, they can f*$& themselves.  She kept trying to say that she would want to consider their feelings, but it would ultimately not change her decision.  So finally, I said - exactly which member of your family do you think would have aa problem with this, because I am thinking about your family, and I can;t really think of anyone (to be fair, this was a set-up, because I could think of one, and it is the same person that she was thinking of).  She said, my brother Don.  OK, I said, and then he could go f*%& himself, never be around my child at all and not be welcomed in my home.  That oughta handle that problem, huh? 

So now, I am pizzed.  There are several of my cousins that are in mixed race relationships.  Does this mean that if her brother (it is her half-brother, from a family that barely treats her with any respect at all, which I have another huge issue with) came to a function where my family andd her family got together and he saw that there were members of my family that were not caucasion, then he would have an issue with me or them.  Well, she said, he wouldn't have an issue with you, but he might with them.    This is where the argument ended.  I said, let me tell you something.  If he has an issue with anyone in my family, then he has an issue with me.  You know my history (to my wife) I have cut off people from my own family for things that I do not find acceptable, and since I have assumed that your brother is racist but have not heard him say anything like that to this point, I have not reacted to it, but that would change in a hurry if he were to say something in front of me.  You choose if you would like to warn him of that or not.

 

Thoughts?  I am still kind of fuming about it as I sit here.

Disclaimers - we are not considering adopting.  This is all hypothetical.  We have, however, had a few friends that adopted children and a couple of them are from other countries (China and Viet Nam). 

jdwright56 - 2008-11-05 10:13 AM

Ok - the wife and I got into a little argument last night - tell me if I am over reacting (most likely, I am). 

We were watching some show and these folks were trying to adopt a baby.  A lady agreed to select them and they went to meet her.  She turned out to be black.  They were a little concerned.  Immediaately, I said, "they must not want a baby too badly if they are going to turn one down because of the race of the child".  At this point, Steph said, "I domn't know, I'd have to think about that.  It would bring another dynamic into the situation".  What dynamic - I asked.  She said, well, you know, people tend to look at you differently in a family that has mixed race.  My answeer was  - and those people can go and F*&% themselves. 

Let's stop right there and examine this.  There is absolutely no room in my life for racism.  I detest it enough to get into a fistfight about it.  One of my best friends ever was named Anthony and he watched my back and I watched his for a couple of years, until one day, I was unable to watch his well enough and he did not make it out of Panama.  It happens that Anthony was of African-American descent man, but it didn't matter to me if he was black, red, blue green yellow or purple.  He was my brother.  This was a big change for me, as my Father was a bit of a closet bigot and we had to deal with that on a deeper level when I got out of the Corps.  OK, back to the happening.

She then said, well, it wouldn;t matter to me either, but I would want to consider how it would affect my family?  How would it affect them?  Would they not want us around if we adopted a vietnamese baby?   If that is the case, they can f*$& themselves.  She kept trying to say that she would want to consider their feelings, but it would ultimately not change her decision.  So finally, I said - exactly which member of your family do you think would have aa problem with this, because I am thinking about your family, and I can;t really think of anyone (to be fair, this was a set-up, because I could think of one, and it is the same person that she was thinking of).  She said, my brother Don.  OK, I said, and then he could go f*%& himself, never be around my child at all and not be welcomed in my home.  That oughta handle that problem, huh? 

So now, I am pizzed.  There are several of my cousins that are in mixed race relationships.  Does this mean that if her brother (it is her half-brother, from a family that barely treats her with any respect at all, which I have another huge issue with) came to a function where my family andd her family got together and he saw that there were members of my family that were not caucasion, then he would have an issue with me or them.  Well, she said, he wouldn't have an issue with you, but he might with them.    This is where the argument ended.  I said, let me tell you something.  If he has an issue with anyone in my family, then he has an issue with me.  You know my history (to my wife) I have cut off people from my own family for things that I do not find acceptable, and since I have assumed that your brother is racist but have not heard him say anything like that to this point, I have not reacted to it, but that would change in a hurry if he were to say something in front of me.  You choose if you would like to warn him of that or not.

 

Thoughts?  I am still kind of fuming about it as I sit here.

Disclaimers - we are not considering adopting.  This is all hypothetical.  We have, however, had a few friends that adopted children and a couple of them are from other countries (China and Viet Nam). 

bcart1991 - 2008-11-05 8:29 AM

So, following last night's excellent date, I've already been informed to keep Saturday afternoon/evening open.

Giggity.

grdavison - 2008-11-05 10:32 AM

soooo details or pictures would be appreciated :D

grdavison - 2008-11-05 11:32 AM

soooo details or pictures would be appreciated :D

jdwright56 - 2008-11-05 11:13 AM

Ok - the wife and I got into a little argument last night - tell me if I am over reacting (most likely, I am). 

We were watching some show and these folks were trying to adopt a baby.  A lady agreed to select them and they went to meet her.  She turned out to be black.  They were a little concerned.  Immediaately, I said, "they must not want a baby too badly if they are going to turn one down because of the race of the child".  At this point, Steph said, "I domn't know, I'd have to think about that.  It would bring another dynamic into the situation".  What dynamic - I asked.  She said, well, you know, people tend to look at you differently in a family that has mixed race.  My answeer was  - and those people can go and F*&% themselves. 

Let's stop right there and examine this.  There is absolutely no room in my life for racism.  I detest it enough to get into a fistfight about it.  One of my best friends ever was named Anthony and he watched my back and I watched his for a couple of years, until one day, I was unable to watch his well enough and he did not make it out of Panama.  It happens that Anthony was of African-American descent man, but it didn't matter to me if he was black, red, blue green yellow or purple.  He was my brother.  This was a big change for me, as my Father was a bit of a closet bigot and we had to deal with that on a deeper level when I got out of the Corps.  OK, back to the happening.

She then said, well, it wouldn;t matter to me either, but I would want to consider how it would affect my family?  How would it affect them?  Would they not want us around if we adopted a vietnamese baby?   If that is the case, they can f*$& themselves.  She kept trying to say that she would want to consider their feelings, but it would ultimately not change her decision.  So finally, I said - exactly which member of your family do you think would have aa problem with this, because I am thinking about your family, and I can;t really think of anyone (to be fair, this was a set-up, because I could think of one, and it is the same person that she was thinking of).  She said, my brother Don.  OK, I said, and then he could go f*%& himself, never be around my child at all and not be welcomed in my home.  That oughta handle that problem, huh? 

So now, I am pizzed.  There are several of my cousins that are in mixed race relationships.  Does this mean that if her brother (it is her half-brother, from a family that barely treats her with any respect at all, which I have another huge issue with) came to a function where my family andd her family got together and he saw that there were members of my family that were not caucasion, then he would have an issue with me or them.  Well, she said, he wouldn't have an issue with you, but he might with them.    This is where the argument ended.  I said, let me tell you something.  If he has an issue with anyone in my family, then he has an issue with me.  You know my history (to my wife) I have cut off people from my own family for things that I do not find acceptable, and since I have assumed that your brother is racist but have not heard him say anything like that to this point, I have not reacted to it, but that would change in a hurry if he were to say something in front of me.  You choose if you would like to warn him of that or not.

 

Thoughts?  I am still kind of fuming about it as I sit here.

Disclaimers - we are not considering adopting.  This is all hypothetical.  We have, however, had a few friends that adopted children and a couple of them are from other countries (China and Viet Nam). 

bcart1991 - 2008-11-05 10:37 AM

Ha.  No pics yet.

Last Friday, met for drinks & dinner.  Good time.  This past Friday, went out to dinner, movies at her apartment.  Great time, I get home around 4.  Last night, I made dinner and drinks at my house.  GREAT time.

I might be in trouble.

bcart1991 - 2008-11-05 8:37 AM Ha.  No pics yet.

Last Friday, met for drinks & dinner.  Good time.  This past Friday, went out to dinner, movies at her apartment.  Great time, I get home around 4.  Last night, I made dinner and drinks at my house.  GREAT time.

I might be in trouble.

1stTimeTri - 2008-11-05 11:09 AM I had me some Old Dutch Onion and Garlic potato chips last night. So tasty, but hard to get rid of the aftertaste.

cami bee - 2008-11-05 11:11 AM

Those sound tasty.  I had some dill pickles chips a couple months ago.  Too weird.

cami bee - 2008-11-05 11:11 AM

Those sound tasty.  I had some dill pickles chips a couple months ago.  Too weird.

Aikidoman - 2008-11-05 9:13 AM

Ugh.  Some of this convo is better over beers.

I was married to a wonderful black women (yes, she PREFERED to be called that - so don't jump on me about "political correct" terms - I trust her opinion of what she wanted to be called than anyone else's), and had to deal with all the crap that comes with that from society.  It swayed some of the decisions we made about how we were going to live our lives.  Sucks that we had to make choices like that, but it was reality.  Choices that ranged from where we lived, to the places we could go, and what this meant for our children (when he had them).  We knew that mixed kids would be rejected by both races, but also realized that a strong home life and support, they would grow to be above that.

That's all I have to say about the issue unless I have a beer in my hand.

Aikidoman - 2008-11-05 11:13 AM

Ugh.  Some of this convo is better over beers.

I was married to a wonderful black women (yes, she PREFERED to be called that - so don't jump on me about "political correct" terms - I trust her opinion of what she wanted to be called than anyone else's), and had to deal with all the crap that comes with that from society.  It swayed some of the decisions we made about how we were going to live our lives.  Sucks that we had to make choices like that, but it was reality.  Choices that ranged from where we lived, to the places we could go, and what this meant for our children (when he had them).  We knew that mixed kids would be rejected by both races, but also realized that a strong home life and support, they would grow to be above that.

That's all I have to say about the issue unless I have a beer in my hand.