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2008-05-29 3:30 PM
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2008-05-29 3:30 PM
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Master
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akustix - 2008-05-29 1:27 PM
mr2tony - 2008-05-29 3:59 PM
LowcountryTRI - 2008-05-29 2:57 PM
mr2tony - 2008-05-29 3:55 PM

How come when YOU embrace your bad self it's OK but when I embrace my bad self it's called `creepy' or `self fulfillment'??? You just hate the Half-Asian-But-Only-From-The-Waist-Up man.

I believe you embracing yourself for self fulfillment is considered a sin.

Preacherman, can we get a ruling on this?

First rule of being a theologian is to never answer an yes/no question.

 depends on what you mean by self, fulfillment and of course, sin. 

short answer: if one seeks to serve one's own interest, particularly at the expense of others, it is most likely to result in broken relationships, the definition of sin.  If one goes against the self's inclinations, and seeks to serve the other, then that is seeking the building up of relationships, hence working against sin.

It could be more theological, but I think it is the most general analysis since it is mainly an argument from natural law, not specific to a particularly Christian outlook... although it does carry some assumptions with it in regard to the self/world being in a state of disrepair/brokenness that are inherent to a Christian outlook.

And of course I would argue that it is completely possible having been formed in the proper school of virtue to learn to seek the other's good, rather than one's own so that one could speak of an old self and a new self...

how's that?

Oh my... whether it's math or theology... I AM a nerrrrrrrd.

-B 

So if PGCG has to "take care of business" because I don't put out, (Hypothetically speaking...we all know I put out.) am I causing him to sin?

2008-05-29 3:30 PM
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Champion
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lvthgme - 2008-05-29 3:29 PM I lof thunder.  First I typed "thunker."  That is a fun word.  Wonder what it means...

In what language?

2008-05-29 3:31 PM
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Master
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lvthgme - 2008-05-29 1:29 PM I lof thunder.  First I typed "thunker."  That is a fun word.  Wonder what it means...

It's Red Neck for "smack".

"She kept mouthin' off so I finally had to thunker."

2008-05-29 3:31 PM
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2008-05-29 3:32 PM
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elektra - 2008-05-29 3:30 PM
akustix - 2008-05-29 1:27 PM
mr2tony - 2008-05-29 3:59 PM
LowcountryTRI - 2008-05-29 2:57 PM
mr2tony - 2008-05-29 3:55 PM

How come when YOU embrace your bad self it's OK but when I embrace my bad self it's called `creepy' or `self fulfillment'??? You just hate the Half-Asian-But-Only-From-The-Waist-Up man.

I believe you embracing yourself for self fulfillment is considered a sin.

Preacherman, can we get a ruling on this?

First rule of being a theologian is to never answer an yes/no question.

 depends on what you mean by self, fulfillment and of course, sin. 

short answer: if one seeks to serve one's own interest, particularly at the expense of others, it is most likely to result in broken relationships, the definition of sin.  If one goes against the self's inclinations, and seeks to serve the other, then that is seeking the building up of relationships, hence working against sin.

It could be more theological, but I think it is the most general analysis since it is mainly an argument from natural law, not specific to a particularly Christian outlook... although it does carry some assumptions with it in regard to the self/world being in a state of disrepair/brokenness that are inherent to a Christian outlook.

And of course I would argue that it is completely possible having been formed in the proper school of virtue to learn to seek the other's good, rather than one's own so that one could speak of an old self and a new self...

how's that?

Oh my... whether it's math or theology... I AM a nerrrrrrrd.

-B 

So if PGCG has to "take care of business" because I don't put out, (Hypothetically speaking...we all know I put out.) am I causing him to sin?

As I read it, you are sinning, because you are causing harm to the relationship.  Sinner!!!!



2008-05-29 3:32 PM
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2008-05-29 3:32 PM
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2008-05-29 3:33 PM
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2008-05-29 3:33 PM
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Rynamite - 2008-05-29 3:32 PM
jdwright56 - 2008-05-29 4:30 PM

lvthgme - 2008-05-29 3:29 PM I lof thunder.  First I typed "thunker."  That is a fun word.  Wonder what it means...

In what language?

Kilese

I only know a few words in that language.

2008-05-29 3:35 PM
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2008-05-29 3:36 PM
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2008-05-29 3:37 PM
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Rynamite - 2008-05-29 4:10 PM

One of the dudes spilled his seed... and that was a sin.

that was NOT about masturbation.  Onan foresook the law.  His early withdrawal was intended so that he did not give a child to his dead brother's wife.  He therefore left her without any help in her old age. 

-B 

2008-05-29 3:38 PM
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2008-05-29 3:40 PM
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Brian

Staying at the Quality...things be the same as last year? Rack your bike Saturday under that parking garage?

2008-05-29 3:41 PM
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akustix - 2008-05-29 3:27 PM

mr2tony - 2008-05-29 3:59 PM
LowcountryTRI - 2008-05-29 2:57 PM
mr2tony - 2008-05-29 3:55 PM

How come when YOU embrace your bad self it's OK but when I embrace my bad self it's called `creepy' or `self fulfillment'??? You just hate the Half-Asian-But-Only-From-The-Waist-Up man.

I believe you embracing yourself for self fulfillment is considered a sin.

Preacherman, can we get a ruling on this?

First rule of being a theologian is to never answer an yes/no question.

 depends on what you mean by self, fulfillment and of course, sin. 

short answer: if one seeks to serve one's own interest, particularly at the expense of others, it is most likely to result in broken relationships, the definition of sin.  If one goes against the self's inclinations, and seeks to serve the other, then that is seeking the building up of relationships, hence working against sin.

It could be more theological, but I think it is the most general analysis since it is mainly an argument from natural law, not specific to a particularly Christian outlook... although it does carry some assumptions with it in regard to the self/world being in a state of disrepair/brokenness that are inherent to a Christian outlook.

And of course I would argue that it is completely possible having been formed in the proper school of virtue to learn to seek the other's good, rather than one's own so that one could speak of an old self and a new self...

how's that?

Oh my... whether it's math or theology... I AM a nerrrrrrrd.

-B 



So, um, yes or no???


2008-05-29 3:41 PM
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2008-05-29 3:42 PM
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elektra - 2008-05-29 4:30 PM

So if PGCG has to "take care of business" because I don't put out, (Hypothetically speaking...we all know I put out.) am I causing him to sin?

ummm again.. it depends. Is he seeking your "output" for his own fulfillment... or the mutual upbuilding of your marriage?

If the former... no since he is not making proper use of the gift of sex.

If the latter... maybe, but only if you are not putting out to seek your own interest.  You might turn him down because you are seeking, say, the interests of your children... and we just have to make choices since we can't serve everybody...

-B 

2008-05-29 3:44 PM
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Jungle Jenn - 2008-05-29 4:40 PM

Brian

Staying at the Quality...things be the same as last year? Rack your bike Saturday under that parking garage?

yeah... almost certain of it.

-B 

2008-05-29 3:44 PM
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akustix - 2008-05-29 3:42 PM

elektra - 2008-05-29 4:30 PM

So if PGCG has to "take care of business" because I don't put out, (Hypothetically speaking...we all know I put out.) am I causing him to sin?

ummm again.. it depends. Is he seeking your "output" for his own fulfillment... or the mutual upbuilding of your marriage?

If the former... no since he is not making proper use of the gift of sex.

If the latter... maybe, but only if you are not putting out to seek your own interest.  You might turn him down because you are seeking, say, the interests of your children... and we just have to make choices since we can't serve everybody...

-B 



Wow. You're really making the lovins less fun.
2008-05-29 3:45 PM
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Champion
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Urbandale, IA
Subject: RE: Bermuda Triangle for TAN...
mr2tony - 2008-05-29 3:44 PM
akustix - 2008-05-29 3:42 PM
elektra - 2008-05-29 4:30 PM

So if PGCG has to "take care of business" because I don't put out, (Hypothetically speaking...we all know I put out.) am I causing him to sin?

ummm again.. it depends. Is he seeking your "output" for his own fulfillment... or the mutual upbuilding of your marriage?

If the former... no since he is not making proper use of the gift of sex.

If the latter... maybe, but only if you are not putting out to seek your own interest.  You might turn him down because you are seeking, say, the interests of your children... and we just have to make choices since we can't serve everybody...

-B 

Wow. You're really making the lovins less fun.

I tried to serve everybody in college - got me into a lot of trouble.

 

Especially with the people that didn't want to be served!!!



2008-05-29 3:45 PM
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Arch-Bishop of BT
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mr2tony - 2008-05-29 4:41 PM
akustix - 2008-05-29 3:27 PM
mr2tony - 2008-05-29 3:59 PM
LowcountryTRI - 2008-05-29 2:57 PM
mr2tony - 2008-05-29 3:55 PM

How come when YOU embrace your bad self it's OK but when I embrace my bad self it's called `creepy' or `self fulfillment'??? You just hate the Half-Asian-But-Only-From-The-Waist-Up man.

I believe you embracing yourself for self fulfillment is considered a sin.

Preacherman, can we get a ruling on this?

First rule of being a theologian is to never answer an yes/no question.

depends on what you mean by self, fulfillment and of course, sin.

short answer: if one seeks to serve one's own interest, particularly at the expense of others, it is most likely to result in broken relationships, the definition of sin. If one goes against the self's inclinations, and seeks to serve the other, then that is seeking the building up of relationships, hence working against sin.

It could be more theological, but I think it is the most general analysis since it is mainly an argument from natural law, not specific to a particularly Christian outlook... although it does carry some assumptions with it in regard to the self/world being in a state of disrepair/brokenness that are inherent to a Christian outlook.

And of course I would argue that it is completely possible having been formed in the proper school of virtue to learn to seek the other's good, rather than one's own so that one could speak of an old self and a new self...

how's that?

Oh my... whether it's math or theology... I AM a nerrrrrrrd.

-B

So, um, yes or no???

isn't it obvious?

-B 

2008-05-29 3:49 PM
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Elite
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akustix - 2008-05-29 4:44 PM
Jungle Jenn - 2008-05-29 4:40 PM

Brian

Staying at the Quality...things be the same as last year? Rack your bike Saturday under that parking garage?

yeah... almost certain of it.

-B 

I asked them to change me to Athena.....had me as age group and I won athena last year so why not

2008-05-29 3:50 PM
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2008-05-29 3:56 PM
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Arch-Bishop of BT
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Subject: RE: Bermuda Triangle for TAN...
Jungle Jenn - 2008-05-29 4:49 PM
akustix - 2008-05-29 4:44 PM
Jungle Jenn - 2008-05-29 4:40 PM

Brian

Staying at the Quality...things be the same as last year? Rack your bike Saturday under that parking garage?

yeah... almost certain of it.

-B

I asked them to change me to Athena.....had me as age group and I won athena last year so why not

I did the same... I took 4th in XL2 for the OLY... so I switched back to Clyde...  

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