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Mr. Obama's performance last night was merely a reflection or his performance as president since he has taken office. 


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mcgilmartin - 2012-10-04 1:46 PM

According to some of my left-leaning FB friends, the reason that Obama seemed to have done so poorly was because of the nonstop flow of lies out of Romney's mouth.  Apparently he was left speechless at the degree to which the evil Romney camp will go to pull the wool over American eyes.

Really, when's the last time you haven't heard "Republican" and "lies" in the same sentence?

The funny thing is Romney was back to moderate Romney last night. He has picked pretty well every position now so it's all lies/truth.

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JoshR - 2012-10-04 3:01 PM
mcgilmartin - 2012-10-04 1:46 PM

According to some of my left-leaning FB friends, the reason that Obama seemed to have done so poorly was because of the nonstop flow of lies out of Romney's mouth.  Apparently he was left speechless at the degree to which the evil Romney camp will go to pull the wool over American eyes.

Really, when's the last time you haven't heard "Republican" and "lies" in the same sentence?

The funny thing is Romney was back to moderate Romney last night. He has picked pretty well every position now so it's all lies/truth.

That may or may not be true.....the only thing I know is that Obama should call off the other two debates.....he's just outgunned.  Seriously, it was hard to watch the President of the United States get his arse handed to him that badly.  Hell, even the beatings that Reagan gave Carter don't compare to this smackdown.  Obama looked like a spoiled little child who finally ran up against someone who told him no.

The left can put any spin they want on it....who cares? 

 

2012-10-04 3:37 PM
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Left Brain - 2012-10-04 2:29 PM
JoshR - 2012-10-04 3:01 PM
mcgilmartin - 2012-10-04 1:46 PM

According to some of my left-leaning FB friends, the reason that Obama seemed to have done so poorly was because of the nonstop flow of lies out of Romney's mouth.  Apparently he was left speechless at the degree to which the evil Romney camp will go to pull the wool over American eyes.

Really, when's the last time you haven't heard "Republican" and "lies" in the same sentence?

The funny thing is Romney was back to moderate Romney last night. He has picked pretty well every position now so it's all lies/truth.

That may or may not be true.....the only thing I know is that Obama should call off the other two debates.....he's just outgunned.  Seriously, it was hard to watch the President of the United States get his arse handed to him that badly.  Hell, even the beatings that Reagan gave Carter don't compare to this smackdown.  Obama looked like a spoiled little child who finally ran up against someone who told him no.

The left can put any spin they want on it....who cares? 

 

That's the important question. How many people's opinions were changed last night even given a clear winner? I bet the answer is not many.

2012-10-04 3:44 PM
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JoshR - 2012-10-04 3:37 PM
Left Brain - 2012-10-04 2:29 PM
JoshR - 2012-10-04 3:01 PM
mcgilmartin - 2012-10-04 1:46 PM

According to some of my left-leaning FB friends, the reason that Obama seemed to have done so poorly was because of the nonstop flow of lies out of Romney's mouth.  Apparently he was left speechless at the degree to which the evil Romney camp will go to pull the wool over American eyes.

Really, when's the last time you haven't heard "Republican" and "lies" in the same sentence?

The funny thing is Romney was back to moderate Romney last night. He has picked pretty well every position now so it's all lies/truth.

That may or may not be true.....the only thing I know is that Obama should call off the other two debates.....he's just outgunned.  Seriously, it was hard to watch the President of the United States get his arse handed to him that badly.  Hell, even the beatings that Reagan gave Carter don't compare to this smackdown.  Obama looked like a spoiled little child who finally ran up against someone who told him no.

The left can put any spin they want on it....who cares? 

 

That's the important question. How many people's opinions were changed last night even given a clear winner? I bet the answer is not many.

No, I think you are way wrong.  My wife is an Obama supporter.....she's waivering, she had to admit he looked like a unprepared buffoon.  I talked toher at lunch and she said she was surprised at how many of her friends were seriously questioning whether Obama should be President for another term. 

While Iagree it will take more than this debate to ge it done for Romney....Obama can't afford to look as stupid as he did last night again. 

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Is the next debate about Foreign Policy?  Obama should just call in sick. Laughing


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crusevegas - 2012-10-04 2:20 PM

As far as fact checking, what is the IRS code that rewards business for sending job over seas? 

I can't remember who it was but I saw somebody on the news last night try to explain the tax cut was because taxes are cheaper overseas which results in a tax "credit".  That's a stretch even for Democrats.

2012-10-04 5:12 PM
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Left Brain - 2012-10-04 4:47 PM Is the next debate about Foreign Policy?  Obama should just call in sick. Laughing

Funny thing about that.  When he was the Editor of the Harvard Law Review, the joke was "Barry's working from Home."  This mind you is before computers and the internet.  "Where's Barry" was another line they'd throw around. 

As a State Senator, he voted "Present" 129 times.

I think we're seeing a trend here.  The Empty Chair seemed like a strange monologue, but Clint was really on to something.

2012-10-04 5:14 PM
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crusevegas - 2012-10-04 2:20 PM

As far as fact checking, what is the IRS code that rewards business for sending job over seas? 

I can't remember who it was but I saw somebody on the news last night try to explain the tax cut was because taxes are cheaper overseas which results in a tax "credit".  That's a stretch even for Democrats.

Yep.  If you're going to give businesses here tax credits to keep the jobs here instead of going to country X and paying a lower tax rate, that's actually not a tax credit, that's called "Lowering the Corporate Tax Rate."

 

2012-10-04 6:09 PM
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Regarding lowering taxes, it seems one theme is swept under the rug.

Romney indicates he is going to cut taxes so that business has more money to hire workers.  Workers earning a paycheck increases taxes.

So isn't Romney effectively increasing tax revenue?

I know as a business owner I have to pay payroll taxes regardless of my earnings.

 

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Obama sure has some great comebacks.... 12 hours later. He's on fire today! Great job Mr. President.


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scoobysdad - 2012-10-04 11:56 AM It's interesting that Jim Lehrer is being slammed so hard for letting Mitt Romney dominate the debate and control the clock, when a few sources are reporting that Obama actually had four more minutes of airtime. http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/10/romney-spoke-four-m...

Not so surprising though.  We all know the Mr. Obama's performance, or lack of last night was not his fault.

BREAKING NEWS:  President Bush is responsible for Obama debate performance.



Gore is claiming it may have been the altitude.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/04/al-gore-blames-altitude-ba...

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scoobysdad - 2012-10-04 11:56 AM It's interesting that Jim Lehrer is being slammed so hard for letting Mitt Romney dominate the debate and control the clock, when a few sources are reporting that Obama actually had four more minutes of airtime. http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/10/romney-spoke-four-m...

Not so surprising though.  We all know the Mr. Obama's performance, or lack of last night was not his fault.

BREAKING NEWS:  President Bush is responsible for Obama debate performance.

Gore is claiming it may have been the altitude. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/04/al-gore-blames-altitude-ba...

I'm surprised he didn't blame it on Global Climate Change.



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I'm surprised he didn't blame it on Global Climate Change.

Give him time

2012-10-05 7:40 AM
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Oh sure.... I posted that 3 pages ago and it got no traction...:p

Well I see your Gore blaming it on the altitude and raise you Bob Woodward blaming it on "distraction".

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/04/woodward-blames-obama-debate-performance-on-distraction-in-his-presidential-or-personal-life/

What's the bet that "something" comes up in the next few days to fulfill this prophecy?

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TriRSquared - 2012-10-05 8:40 AM

Oh sure.... I posted that 3 pages ago and it got no traction...:p

Well I see your Gore blaming it on the altitude and raise you Bob Woodward blaming it on "distraction".

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/04/woodward-blames-obama-debate-performance-on-distraction-in-his-presidential-or-personal-life/

What's the bet that "something" comes up in the next few days to fulfill this prophecy?

I saw your note TRS.  But something that funny deserved repeating. 

 

As for Woodward's comment.  I would give it until Monday.  Friday news fades too fast. 

My favorite thing is that MSNBC is in agreement that Obama lost handily.  FoxNews is happy that Romney won hands-down.  Strange that CNN happens to have the only people who still argue that it was a tie or an Obama win.  Since when do MSNBC and FOX agree, but CNN disagrees?

 



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Oh sure.... I posted that 3 pages ago and it got no traction...:p

Well I see your Gore blaming it on the altitude and raise you Bob Woodward blaming it on "distraction".

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/04/woodward-blames-obama-debate-performance-on-distraction-in-his-presidential-or-personal-life/

What's the bet that "something" comes up in the next few days to fulfill this prophecy?

Because it would just be impossible for him to loose because he was unprepared or strategy by his handlers and thinking it was best to just run the clock out....

I don't know what's worse... all his supporters claiming nonsense...because itf the roles were reversed it would be a blood bath... or Obama talking crap the next day outside the ring. No when you get your butt handed to you in the ring, you do not get to talk smack after it ouside.... move on and keep working.

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Is the next debate about Foreign Policy?  Obama should just call in sick. Laughing


The man who got Osama bin Laden, got us out of Iraq, and is working on getting us out of Afghanistan should call in sick. How does that make any sense???
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Left Brain - 2012-10-04 11:01 AM

Anybody got any idea how much a National Wildlife Refuge will go for under Romney's "planned sell-off"?  I'd like to have one if I can get it at a reasonable price.


So are you going to refute me, or just mock me?? Mockery may make people laugh, but it does not do anything to argue the facts.
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Unemployment rate is now 7.8%. Romney weeps.
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TriRSquared - 2012-10-05 7:40 AM

Oh sure.... I posted that 3 pages ago and it got no traction...:p

Well I see your Gore blaming it on the altitude and raise you Bob Woodward blaming it on "distraction".

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/04/woodward-blames-obama-debate-performance-on-distraction-in-his-presidential-or-personal-life/

What's the bet that "something" comes up in the next few days to fulfill this prophecy?

Was Obama rattled by developing donor scandal story?

 



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<firmly puts on tinfoil hat>
Then the other question is, did the Obama labor department try to do a little deflection today?  

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2012/10/05/santelli-smells-rat-i-told-you-theyd-get-it-under-8-they-did

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Left Brain - 2012-10-04 11:01 AM Anybody got any idea how much a National Wildlife Refuge will go for under Romney's "planned sell-off"?  I'd like to have one if I can get it at a reasonable price.
So are you going to refute me, or just mock me?? Mockery may make people laugh, but it does not do anything to argue the facts.

Nancy, please go back a few pages.  We went off on a good tangent talking about the use of public lands and the role of the different land-management departments in the government.  You've been shown to be pretty far off on the whole "Sale of National Parks" claim.

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nancylee - 2012-10-04 8:16 AM  I disagree. I have two sons, 20 and 21, neither in college this semester, and without Obamacare, they would both be uninsured. That may not be an impressive achievement to those without college age kids, but I don't know one person, even hard core right wingers, whose kid is insured who wants to see that die. Nancy

And this ladies and gentlemen is why Obama will be re-elected. He has taken enough money from one group or really, I guess, has borrowed enough from China or a combination of the two to bribe and buy votes from people willing to trade liberty for free shtuff with OPM and in the process do away with the need for personal responsibility.

 



When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's vote.


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Hugh in TX - 2012-10-04 6:09 PM

Regarding lowering taxes, it seems one theme is swept under the rug.

Romney indicates he is going to cut taxes so that business has more money to hire workers.  Workers earning a paycheck increases taxes.

So isn't Romney effectively increasing tax revenue?

 



Yes, that's the idea.
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